 Walking and sitting down, saying no more. Yeah, the camera's in there. That's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard. That's hard, that's hard, that's hard. I feel like Dele Alli when he's half a spurs. What's your heritage? Black Caribbean and white Irish. From Nigeria, so both parents. I'm Kenyan. My heritage, I'm Nigerian. Black and white Caribbean, Jamaica. That's what's curious now. Thank you. Who's that you're looking at? My older sister, Hannah. My dad. Be my older brother, Clint. Yeah, this is my granddad. I'm a mum side. Born, role model to me. Born in Caracou. One of the Caribbean islands. Came out to England at a young age. Look up to him. He's a lot harder in his time, compared to this time now. So, yeah, to raise a family like he did and come through from that era and be a role model to me. Yeah, so this is my granddad, yeah. Obviously, born and raised in Jamaica. He came over when he was 14. Found it hard when he first came, but, yeah, he's here, well, yeah. What's his name? Desmond. Desmond Smith. Yeah, Big Desmond. What do you call him? Grandpa. Yeah, it's always been Grandpa. When I was younger, and that's the name I've stuck with all along. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, loads. What's he like? What do you call him? Dad. Well, that's his nickname, Clint. Ignatious Julian. How do you feel when you look after your sister? Yeah, proud. She's done well for herself. She's done well for herself. She works hard, so I'm happy. You spend a lot of time with her while you were growing up. You're quite close. Yeah, yeah. We lived together all our lives, so, yeah. Just proud, obviously. I know back in his day, the times it wasn't, and how rough it was, and the differences that was back then. I know it was hard for him back then, but I can look at him and I'm proud to what he's done and what he's become so far. And obviously, down the chain, and my dad and me and my brothers and that, he's just passed it down. So, yeah, very proud. And happy, actually happy, because he's an OG, you get. He's like... Yeah, he's an important figure for me still. Yeah, just proud. Joy, happiness. You know, he's been there for me ever since I was young, so, yeah. It sums him up, really. He looked like he would join himself, smiley, and a proper character. But, yeah, he's a very stoic, stoic man. But, yeah, he's funny, stoic again, but, yeah, that's a grandad here. Look up to him as always. From young, he's always been there, you know? He's always been at home. He's always been there for everything, one of us. So, yeah. Spent a lot of time growing up with him, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did spend a lot of time just chilling, playing in the garden and playing football outside. Yeah, actually, still didn't know. I was there yesterday at my grandma's. Always spent time there. Every Sunday growing up. Sunday dinner, grandma and grandad's had both cooked meals for us, the family. And I'm always up there to be honest. It's like my second home. So, yeah, a lot of memories made there. Yeah, yeah, all the time. He'll be taking me to football games. He'll always come and watch. We'll be in the garden. We'll be in the woods just kicking football and just running around. Basically, me making him chase after him, basically. But, nah, I can't have enough love and respect for my grandad. And how much does it influence your career in line? Massive, because he's always just said, like, go and fulfill your potential. He always knew I had the ability to go and be a professional footballer. And he's always said, just believe in yourself. The whole family believes in me. And that's what I've done. He's always there, always gives me messages after games, before games, that's all I can do, really. Yeah, definitely. Growing up when I was younger, Academy, going to training, going to games, he'd take me. He'd always gotten the bus with me to training. I never really went in alone when I was younger. So, yeah, it's good to have him around. I think the important value is in life, which is humility, respect, confidence, all the right things that you need growing up. So, yeah, that's the influence he's had on me, yeah. I think he's just always been there. I mean, just having someone that's just always supported me, just, like I said, just being younger and coming through, you know, always at my training sessions and just always telling me to stay as positive as I can and, yeah, just keep moving. I'm like a mini-mom, you know. My mom's working and stuff. She looked after me and my little sister. So, yeah, pretty much like my mom. Yeah, I mean, it's just part of who I am. I mean, it's my character, just to be happy, you know, help, look after your own, make sure you're there for people when they need you, regardless. And that's kind of my thing, yeah. That's my character, yeah. Say it like, again, coming over from, I think, probably my age, 19, coming to England, creating a big family with my grandma in that time as well. It was definitely a lot harder for him with racism in that time compared to now. He's told me countless stories and, like, makes me feel privileged because, like, it's a lot easier for me growing up now as a black man, although it's not still coming better, but, you know, it could be a lot worse and my granddad's shown the first time that I can come through that. What's your fondest memory or memories with Hannah? I... I think just seeing her go through her journey in terms of her education and work and how far she's come and, you know, the hard times for her and the good times and her getting through it, just that. Just the times where we'd be sitting in the living room just laughing as a family just joking around, just remember this, we used to watch Mr Bean a lot when I was younger. We'd have a lot of fun laughing at Mr Bean. That was one of the probably... one of the main programmes I'd watched, especially when I was younger at Mr Bean, making him laugh and making me laugh. So, yeah, just sitting in the living room with the family just joking around, really. Just, like, those Sundays and my grandma and granddad's and the parents have gone away in holiday spending weekends there and for me, he cooks a really nice soup with dumplings in it, which is always good memories and he made... I remember he made a nice big sandwich, I don't know why. I always remember the day when he made it and I tried it first time and I was like, my mum would make this, I don't know what you're doing, but yeah, that's a good memory, but he's full of jokes anyway so he's doing memories every time I see him. Always church, you know, always church. The first one to church, he's always there, church, church, church. I mean, watching football on the Sundays after church was Super Sunday, I remember that. Yeah, memories of just football and church, yeah. Is religion quite a big thing to you? Yeah, I mean, it's the most important. Not so much religion, but God, you know, Christianity, believing in Christ and I think that's helped everything, one of us, especially me up until Macquarie, up until today, you know. So, it's important. That's number one, yeah. Well, we just playing football in the street, really. Just playing out in the garden, you know, just the two of us. I think his proudest moment with me, as he said, was when he came to watch my debut, what I meant for a junior, my professional debut against Sheffield United, so I mean, one final got me in the match, so it was a good, I think, I understand by that would be his proudest moment, yeah. He's been quite influential in the football career as well. Yeah, yeah, he's always been there. He's always been there. I mean, sacrificed a lot to me, sure that I had a good enough foundation to play, you know, and his prayer has helped, so, yeah, big. I said from day one, he's always said just be the best he can be and he sets a good example himself and he passes it down the chain. So, I've always known whatever I do, whether it's football, whether it's back at school, just put in the hard work and the hard work will always pay off. He's a big believer in consistency. If you keep believing yourself, something will give. So, yeah, that's all it is, really. Yeah, yeah, he's very positive minded as well. Always thinking positive, even if there's not backs, he says, oh, keep going, keep trying. It'll work out for you. And the positive mindset is always a good thing to have and it is massive on that. Yeah, that time, when I first went to Arsenal, my first week there, so I was at Barnett before then my first week at Arsenal, I was... we went to have a family holiday, actually, so my whole family was gone and I was staying with my aunt. So, it was just... I mean, my mum wanted me to go on the holiday. She wasn't really too fast about me going to Arsenal for that week, but I was persistent only to stay and work down in the end. So, happy I made that decision. I mean, I think me becoming a footballer was a big thing for everyone in the family. Especially him growing up, his big family. Every time he sees me, he says, I'm so proud of him. I'm his family, I'm his family. He always asks me how I'm doing my football, how my injuries are, but when I say I'm injured, I'm not happy. He's always proud of me no matter what, so that makes me feel even better, you know, that I'm making this family and him proud. So, yeah. It's the first goal I've ever scored, pressurised for the year, just all around. It was just a big moment. That's what your funniest memory of you was when you were young. Did you see him walking around with media dancing moves? Yeah. I think that was this summer. I think so, yeah, this summer. Yeah, Guagualada is a song I like, and I sing quite often to be fair. And I can't sing it now. She write about the dance moves, are they mediocre? Nah, they're not mediocre. I think it's a bit of jealousy. Well, if she thinks it's mediocre, then I'm not going to dance as well. She also asked you, I mentioned about when you said to watch your cousin's house at five years old and not telling anyone. Yeah, I took my little sister as well, you know. She was like, free. And we went on, like, a 20-minute walk. That's because I just wanted to go to my cousin's house. My cousin's... My aunt was meant to pick me up. She's taken forever. So I just went. I can't really remember it too much. I remember getting in trouble for it, but I can't really remember the walk too much. But, yeah, I've supposedly done it. Yeah. Not much to say, just that I dropped into church in it and it was a funny moment, man. It was just a funny moment. I understand it. I might have, because I've turned out the way I am, you know. So... I might have done something because I know I'm somehow, but, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I was quite a liar to the kids. And that grandma and grandad's house is that garden. It's not very big, but every time I was young, I was quite lively. I was always out there. And they had a whoop one there. I went out there and there was a whoop in that garden. So I started doing it. And I think I was doing it for about 30 minutes or so. I just kept going. Because as a kid, I wouldn't stop. I'd just run everywhere. Better play to go next. But, yeah, he remembers that all the time. Every time he always recalls it. But, yeah, that was it. I just wouldn't stop, yeah. Three dummies, yeah. I loved dummies when I was younger. Everywhere I'd gone, whether it was in my house, or wherever, I needed dummies with me. And I'd have them in my pockets. I'd have them in my hood. I'd have them just anywhere I can. Because I just couldn't live without a dummy. But I knew when I went to my nan and grandad's, if I got dummies, I knew they were taking them away from me. The minute I walked in banged off. But I'd always try and hide one or two open. They don't find it. But along the way, they picked up and it'd be like searching. Like, where's that dummy? Where's that dummy? I'd have none. But, yeah, again, it's all memories to look back on. We asked him what's the most valuable thing he's learned. He said he's got his number one. Yeah, yeah, that would be number one. That I always have crested. And something that I always have, and it's helped me. I don't think I've ever been in a place. Obviously, we all have our own issues and troubles. And obviously, it meant to help prevent it. But I don't think I've ever been in a place that I've been overwhelmed and had crested muscle foundation. And that's very important, yeah. Yeah, again, we're a tight family. Big family, but very tight. It's all about family time for us, especially on a weekend, a Saturday, on a Sunday. Whether it's football, whether it's going out for a meal, whether it's the traditional, on a Sunday, Sunday dinner, at my nan and grandad's, all the family goes round spending all day there watching football or whatever it is. We're just big on family, because it's important. Family's important. Time and life's precious. And as a family, it's good to be together and stick together. Yeah, I think that, again, links to his upbringing and what he went through growing up in that time. What he's probably seen in England a long time ago. He's eight now, so he's probably seen a lot more than I'll ever see. So, yeah, so racism's come a long way. He's pretty much staying there. Yeah, it says that I can take a lot from that. Yeah, the one we've all got is bang on. We're so close, we're so supportive. We have fun with air for each other, whether it's good or bad. And that's what we're about, really. We're just one big family. Obviously, I can't really, I'm lucky, I'm privileged to grow up as a black man in this time, though, because I will not have gone through any of the hydrips that he probably went through. And understand fully what he means, but I can sort of resonate with him when he tells me. In all of our lives, it's something that has been instilled in us from young. And we've all been on our own journeys with it. And yeah, I think for my family, for me, there's nothing bigger. You said about how you've grown in your third this year. Is that kind of for you more recent things to get into, you know? Yeah, like I said, I've been following the faith from young, but I think with faith, with Christianity, I think as well you have to go on your own journey and everyone's journey and walk is different. And I think my journey led me closer this year, like 2023. Yeah, I think it's just how it is. Yeah, especially in football, you know, sometimes you can sort of compare your path to other people. And I think it's just, yeah, just try focusing your own as hard as it is, but just, yeah, your time will come really. And the next thing, if you could change one thing in the world, what would it be? The Nigerian government, 100%. Not just him, I think everyone from Nigeria would change that. Yeah. It's not really my place to say, but I don't really want to speak on politics, but they're just crooks in it. No, put it in there. Let them know that you're crooks. How about that? Put it in there, please. Yeah. Again, he's probably speaking that on his grandsons and that for what we need to do. But he's just so supportive and he just wants people he loves to succeed and be happy. So on that one, I'm guessing because he just wants people to succeed and be the best they can be, especially looking on me. He knows the potential I've got. And all he ever says is just do what you want to do, what you can do. Everyone knows what you can do as a family, but just go and be you, be the best he can be and just make everyone proud and that's what I aim to do. When he doesn't say much, short answers, but if in his future and right now he'd be talking forever to tell you stories, but yeah, it's a short but it's an impactful statement. World peace, that's what we're trying for with stuff like this, but it's about teaching the younger audience now that we're doing today. So hopefully that's what he said there. He's trying to teach me over grandkids and younger audience. And finally we asked what the biggest change is to see Florida's life speed. He said just mobile phones. Yeah, obviously in his days, phones weren't what they are now. Me, my brother, my sister, my dad, whatever, when we got to there as phones next to us, phones ringing off, phones this, phones that, have you seen this on Twitter? It's like, oh, look at this, everything's phone. You don't realise now how much phones, depending on your life, as mad as it is, like everyone relies on your phone to communicate to what not. He's not, you don't really know the technology too much nowadays. I'm showing him bits and bobs along the way, but yeah, like I said, phones are massive. Emails, ringing, texting, whatever. So yeah, he'll be a big shock to him now. From how things were back from time, slavery, like the division and everything, just everyone being a part in our cultures, communities, whether in America, whether here in UK, in Ireland, where I spent most of my time growing up, even in Nigeria, like the welcome of people, everything, isn't it more together? So yeah, it's great to see. A couple years back, probably, there was a lot more segregation. But what I love about my family is, my grandma is white Irish, born in Dublin, and that sort of, it's answering the question for you. A white woman marrying a black man from the Caribbean. It sort of suits this whole thing, so I found this man quite a lot. And I think that's why I've sort of known why not to stick with this old thinking of this color, this color, that color, that color, why it's a black sort of thing. So to me, it's all been a bit bizarre, all this race and stuff, but that's why I'm privileged to have that. And it's educating me from your age. Have you been to Nigeria before? Yeah, yeah, quite a lot. How do you find that when you're out there? Yeah, good, good. It's really nice. I think, of course, to go back and see where you come from, see your culture and see that family that I haven't seen in a long time, I still have quite a lot of family that lived there. My dad travels back and forth all the time. Yeah, it's nice, it's nice. My grandparents used to live there as well. So yeah, it was always a good time when I would go back. I haven't been back as much as I'd probably like and wanted to think, obviously, just with the schedule and stuff like that. My parents go back nearly every year. But yeah, I think we'll make more effort to sort of plan it better so we can all go back at the same time. Yeah, I've been in the summer to be fair. I went in the summer to Jamaica. Seven days, fantastic. The best, the weather, just the food, just the people. It's so good, obviously, with the schedule we have, you'll never have a certain amount of time to fit in, but again, I'll definitely be going this summer as well. And what's it like in Jamaica that's like some key differences twice like in any world? Just, when you're there, you don't realise how friendly everybody is. It's so like everyone's so polite, everyone's together. Just Jamaicans, just loving Jamaicans, really. And even when you've got the Tories coming as well, they just love people, they just love everyone. And when you start trying the food and the coconut water and even the sea, how blue it is and the sand, just everything about it, it's just so good. Do they have a bread man you made? No, they have that, but it's jerk chicken. It's jerk chicken, just loving jerk chicken over there. So yeah, obviously, when I was over there, I knew the turnings were jerk chicken to be fair. All I was having is jerk chicken every single day. But nah, it's a lovely place and if anyone gets the chance to go, I would definitely go. You'd try some jerk chicken? Yeah, jerk chicken, definitely. And how do you feel when you're out there? Honestly, I feel like... I feel like... Like, I don't know how to describe it. It feels like it was special, even though you're not. But I think because maybe you've had an opportunity that many other people would want and not had, it makes you feel special. But I think going back, giving back in any ways that I can is what I aim to do every time we go back and my family go back is to just give back in small ways and big ways and help communities and even help build schools and stuff goes on. So yeah. It's a lot harder, I would say. Definitely. No, obviously, in certain parts, it's just a different lifestyle, isn't it? So obviously, in certain areas, not as developed as it is out here and there's obviously kids and people that just have to work a lot harder and struggle to get by. But that's not to say that there's not good parts there is. You know, it's really a nice place to go. If you want to go out on holiday, there's just stuff to see. There's a nice safari out there. Yeah? What sort of... Yeah, when you see my family, there's a lot of nice places to go out to eat and stuff like that. Like lounges and stuff. But most of the time, honestly, it's just to see the people. It's the people there. Not really the place, if that makes sense. Yeah, just like Jalofras. It's a bit of chicken, a bit of shaki. Yeah. And you've represented your country as well. You've pulled on the Kenyan shirt. What's kind of feeling is that for you when you get to represent your country? Yeah, it was massive. It was big. And I think more so for my parents, my mum and dad, because obviously they were born and grew up in Kenya and they were there for a very long time. So it was a really proud moment for them and it was good to see how happy it made them. That was a proud moment. Obviously, we know you were born in Nigeria, but you might say otherwise. Yeah. Did you get to go back to Nigeria? I'm planning on. I'm planning on. But with Korea, with family, I'm getting everything, I haven't really had time. But sooner rather than later, definitely. So have you not been over yet? No, no. But I will. No, no. I went back to Ireland, though, a couple of years back from Grandma's side. But I've not been to Caracou or Grenada. My brother has, and all the family has, but that was before I was born. So definitely before, in the next couple of years, I do really want to go and see all my family going, actually. End of this month, I think. But obviously, I'm here. I'm working out to be a pro footballer, but I'd have loved to go and see what it's like there. Probably have family over there. Definitely direct to the story. That would have been good to me and stuff. But yeah, cousins, et cetera. But yeah, I really want to go back there soon. Back. Never been, but I want to go and see what it's like. Long playing journey I've heard, but yeah. I've had the culture from young, growing up with the parents that I had both mum and dad's funny characters watching Nollywood, which is the Nigerian movies, and the friends I have who are massive characters, African characters. Yeah, it's been a thing. So I've always been, had that culture. So yeah. So we try to push anything on me then. All my family members are different. And they've all got their certain characteristics. My dad's side family, when you go there, that was a lot of the music and stuff. Probably learned a lot more over when I went to there. So that was good. It's always different aspects like my dad's side. There was a lot more people from, a lot more people in general were from there because my mum and dad's side, my mum's side, it's just mixed Irish and my granddad's from Caracou. So it was a lot more mixed, but yeah. Who is your footballing idol? JJ O'Cotcher. And what is about JJ O'Cotcher that stands out to you? Charisma, character, style of play, skills, and an unusual kind of player. And he just happens to be an angel. So yeah. JJ O'Cotcher. Just, you know, I was just being as a black player. I think it's just the freedom that he showed whenever he played. He just didn't really, like, he just always just expressed himself. Just got on the pitch and just, yeah, just did it because he enjoyed it really. It's Nigerian, a great player. I think in the Premier League he was a flair player. A player that people would like to watch. I think there's not as many players like that in today's game. But yeah, he's expressed himself. And I think football is an expressive game. Of course, you want to win and stuff. But he was a testament to... He made a lot of people fall in love with the game with just how he played. So I think that's why. Yeah, Jermaine Defoe. And what is about Jermaine Defoe that stands out to you? Just because when I was growing up, I was watching him a lot. And just the goals and the way he plays is clinical. When he was playing, I think he's probably one of the best finishers in the Premier League. So clinical. Underrated to be fair. Underrated, he did a lot of stuff that nobody really took knowledge of. But I thought, in the box, what a player. You know, it's a touch-bang goal. So yeah, just the goals, week after week. Just goals, goals, goals, which I loved. You said that there's not like one single black football you could pick out. So I guess if you've got so many people, maybe similar culture... Yeah, there's a lot of footballers, you know, you can look up to past, present, and hopefully future. But like, you can be like Pele when he's younger. I've seen a film about that growing up in Brazil, the Favellas, and how happy I was for him not getting picked and etc. And now you've got players like Rashford, you've got Sackers who are inspiring in the past couple of years with Rashford with helping out the school mill children and how the dealt with the race and from the World Cup, you know, his loads. And I hope that we can, as a footballing community, help that even more in the future anyway, so yeah. I think it's that and I think it's just him being himself, you know, a lot of people can perceive that as arrogance, but I don't see it as arrogance. He's just expressing himself and he's enjoying it, so yeah. Just because, obviously, he's more like my height, my build, and just to see him reach, get to the top and they're preparing for Tottenham scoring goals and England and whatnot, it's something that I can look up to and try and achieve. He's not big, but he's quick, he's sharp and I like to say I'm quick and sharp as well. Anything in and around the box, clinical, which suited me really, so yeah. Jermaine, the four, definitely. And I guess just how he's the person where you look at everything he'd be properly allowing to play like he's just great. Yeah, exactly. Even now, like you said, off the field, the stuff he's done off the field, with charity work and whatnot, it's what you want to be, what you want to do and look up to really. Is that what stands out to bring your remember JJ Kochol, right? Yeah, 100%. Not really, obviously he scored some great goals, made great assists while doing it, but it's more of, you know, like, his confidence must have been absolutely crazy because he's trying things and doing things and you've got to know that when he's doing these things, he's probably not working off the game, he's probably getting shouted at after time for doing these things, but when it worked, it created great memories for people like me, so yeah, thankful for it. Just enjoyed just watching him play and just skills and stuff like that. I was very young at the time and when he was younger, he saw I don't really understand racing as such, but there was one moment that stuck out for me after football as well. Fullback's probably the same as me. Danny Abba was playing for Barcelona, not sure what game was, the league or game, I assume, taking a corner and he has fans hurling abuse in, racing chants, monkey, et cetera, even threw bananas down at him and you can go wrong ways about this, stop playing, speak your dummy out, but feed them, they'll want a reaction off you, but he picks it up, eats it and puts the corner and a pinkie man got an assist, he said to me, but yeah, even though I was very young, it stuck with me for a while because that's how I should react with it. Don't give them the reaction they're asking for. Don't feed their agenda and that's what he did, ate a banana, counted it on playing and that really stuck with me. I guess the fact they got the assist from this goal is just how did that mess with you It's the perfect answer isn't it? Nothing better than, you know, replying with his talent anyway. Yeah, Popcorn is called, yeah. So it's Dancehall, it's called and obviously the favourite song is called Family, so obviously I'm a big family person and the lyrics in there is all about family and being together and how much he loves family and whatnot. So yeah, like I said, the lyrics mean a lot to me and I'll go for that one. Whiskid. And what kind of genre is Whiskid? Afrobeat, soul, kind of thing, yeah. Let me see, Sandan Dave. Yeah, what sort of genre of music is that? Just like rap, hip-hop, sort of vibe. Probably say I like him just because it's like, it just speaks a bit of truth, you know. I think there's certain songs, there's certain things you can resonate with, you know, yeah. I think it can be a bit deep at times but just, yeah, I just enjoy listening to. Kind of, it's like, I don't know how to describe it, it's like melodic kind of music with a little bit of rap but it's kind of like a melodic rap, if that makes sense. And why would you pick Argentina as your favourite song? To be fair, to be completely honest, at the time I couldn't think of any songs. That's the honest truth, the first thing that came to my head. I do like my 50 cents, Chris Brown and stuff. It's such a wide-open question because there's loads. I was even looking at my Spotify chat and picked on what I just couldn't. I'm a fan of 50 cents, but my music genre is a listen to all, I listen to old school R&B, rap music, mid-late-pop, slow songs, and even house tech music. So I haven't had a totally open book. So even with that, I'm not like, you can sort of, people can sort of stereotype black people, like even young kids like me, listen to old listen to grime, rap, it's violent, it's so shit, it's sort of violent music and stuff, but I think again that's totally wrong because I've been brought around all different colours of my family and stuff and all different music. So that's why the answer I saw, I thought I can't really pick one because I'd be lying if I said this is my favourite, this is my favourite. I'm big on music, as soon as I get in my car, bang music straight away. It gets me excited for the day. It can change my mood if I'm in a bad mood, puts me in a good mood and especially that one is because it's about family as well, it just makes me think, especially on the mornings, into football, on the motorway, there's nothing better. How did you get into that type of music? Just again family, just family and being around, being around the culture and stuff like that. I've got family in Jamaica as well. So yeah, it's just passed down and it's good to know where the roots are and where you come from really. My brother, I think my brother, my older brother was the first, first year of me gone, I think. I mean, it's part of upbringing, you know. I always used to listen to all sorts of so-called Afro beats growing up, the kind that my parents would listen to but it was more gospel kind but then enjoying version, which was crazy. I've just sort of just enjoyed like just rapping, hip-hop and yeah, things that are growing up and it's not necessarily that, dabbling in all sorts. You know what I mean? Don't mind a bit of a delt, every now and again, a bit of a tune. Yeah. So yeah, it's been a part of culture and everyone around me listens to the Afro beats, but I just have a thing for whiskey. And your favourite song? It's called Ojoa Laba. I whisk it, that's his biggest. And why is that your favourite song? There's a story to it, he's talking about upbringing, where he was from, how people didn't believe in him, but now he's a worldwide star and he's a vibe as well and obviously you've got the Drake, Skeptodun remix to it, people. But it's modern now, it's hard. When I was younger, my mum and dad, like the cars, when you're younger you don't really know actual songs, but it was a lot of old-school R&B with my mum and dad in the car. And that's what I grew up on. I currently named songs, but you get another drama like The Old School Chris Browns and No Scrubs, that name sort of songs, but yeah, it was a lot of old-school R&B from my mum and dad. And then I grew up, you just find your own lane, I think. And then that's what I've just sort of got into. I love all music, to be honest with you. Yeah. Just really thinking the hard times it was back in the day for a lot of black people and to where black people have come now, it's still lingering around now with the differences and the racism and whatnot, but black people should be proud of what they've done, especially when they've come from Jamaica or wherever, Africa or wherever, when they've come to England. You need to realise that people stuck together and life goes on, but you need to just realise that they've done good, people's done good. Like I said, on my grander's side, it was tough for them, I know what they were going through, and from to Stulba here, after everything that they've been through, it's tough, but you can all be proud. I suppose it's Black History Month, it shouldn't be just a month, but people have been through the culture, it should be recognised on a yearly basis, you know what I mean, the show was a month through. You know, in football, so many players, black players, as soon as they have won my performance, it gets tough down to that and stuff, it's just wrong. But yeah, it shouldn't be just one month, it should be at least, just, well, once you get educated more part of the young children, it'll be in a couple of years' time now, no matter the Black History Month, because it'll be normal to accept everyone, so that's what I hope about anyway. I'm not really a political person myself, but I mean, I only speak on what I know, I don't know too much about other things, but I only know maybe the African couple of nations should get more recognition in it. That's my take. Yeah, I think, yeah, just stuff like, yeah, the African getting a lot more recognition, there's a lot more people watching it, and obviously, yeah, I've been taught in schools a lot more, and yeah, I think the major thing is just, obviously, it's Black History Month, so it's sort of just, you know, highlighted and gone into depth and detail in this month. I think, you know, the thing we'd like to do is just sort of keep it going, you know what I mean? Like, why, you know, just dedicate it to one month? I think that's just with everything as well, just sort of give it one time for aim, focus on it, and then you sort of just forget about it until the next time it comes around. So I think just slowly embed it into everything and just learn. I think it's something that's common, leaps and bounds over the last few years and however long since the oppression, but I think that what's happening now and how people react to stuff like the Black History Month and stuff like that is, it's just what people wanted, and I think there's nothing in particular for me that I would want to say, but I think everything's taken the right steps in the right direction, and I'm thankful. Any final thoughts on the few questions about yourself? Yeah. What are some of your mind up there about? Oh. Other than the dumbest. I love a bath. I love a bath. I went to, oh, I was going to say this. Well, my mum and dad, I was private schooled in private school for years, kind of getting up to year six, then went to a public higher school, and I think my mum and dad sort of knew where I'm from. It's the catchment area on the best, there's schools around it, and I think that's testament to my mum and dad, and bringing me to what they were emptying their pockets in the private school, just so I could be around the right people, and I think that's helped me. I've gone older now. My mannerisms, et cetera, people have said to me how mature I sound when I'm talking, and I think that's helped me a lot, because I could have easily got mixed in on group for a different school, so yeah, I'm not talking on that, because they can again turn around and say, oh, you went to private school, you know what I mean, I went to private school before I went to high school, so yeah. I don't know, I think, I don't know what you do know, I don't know if I can say what, you don't know, if that makes sense. Do you know? I like to draw. Are you quite good at drawing? No. I'm all right. I'm taking eight courses, online courses every now and again. I'm getting better step by step. I think everyone knows everything about me already. More... More or less, just, I don't know. I don't know, I think everyone knows everything about me, I'm an open book. Close, I went to Medawar in Sheffield, and I went to JD, I went to Flannels, I was loving it. OK, so I went, I went to McDonald's, all my mates. I bought everyone McDonald's. Spent about 80 pounds and there was a damn thing I would have done, but at the time I was just happy to have a bit of money, so I bought loads of people McDonald's. Erm... I don't know. My cookie dough at the time, I think it was. Like a little dessert, steak, the store thing in Leeds. I liked it at the time. Probably that. When I first got paid, the first two months, I actually saved mine, like the first couple of ages, because it was around a lot of time, a lot down time. I might have spent a little bit on the FIFA points, to be honest. I don't play much FIFA anymore, but that could have been it. But to be honest, my first thing I bought was probably my training ticket to get in. Probably quite an independent lad. Yeah, it was that. I'm not really a flashy guy. I don't really spend loads and loads of money on the clothes and stuff. So, yeah, probably my training ticket are FIFA points. Um, tax. LAUGHTER Tax? That's my answer. Tax, yeah. What's something that you do every day that's got to be from my analysis? Yeah, I pray. Yeah, pray, have a relationship with God, yeah. That's it. Yeah, massive. Number one. Yeah, extra is a thing. Like, every now and again, like, I'll go home and I'll do ball work. Yeah, I don't think many people know that. I do exercise every single day after training. I do shooting, hold-up play, always working behind the scenes. Again, everything that... Of course, yeah. Again, get out what you're putting. Always said that from day one. You get out what you're putting. If you don't really put the work in, you can't really expect an outcome. If you do, when the outcome comes, it's not a surprise. It's earned and deserved. You know, sometimes we're outside looking in. You know, people might say, I'll be not in for that many hours, but that doesn't necessarily mean, like, when we go home, we're not doing anything. I mean, I will go home, walk the dogs, park up on the sofa, and some days, yeah, I'll do my extra ball work, just make sure that I'm taken away and just feeling good. Pray every morning. I try to read the Bible every day. But that's in my own time. So, yeah, that's pretty much something that I do every day consistently. Any sort of passages from the Bible that stand out to you? I was reading James recently, and it was a passage about the... It was a passage about how it's harder to go to heaven if you're rich and it's easier for the poor. I think in the life that we get, I think if you're rich on earth and love-worldliness is harder to get to heaven because what's of the world is often not of what God wants for you. What's of God is often not what's seen as a positive thing in the world. So I think it's just getting the balance in my own life and in that in as many ways as I can. And just so, is that something you're going to see in your life? Yeah, everything I get I always say that everything God's blessed me with is God's money, anything is God's. I'm just an overseer of whatever He's blessed me with and if I can help the kingdom or help people with my resources, that's the easiest way to use it. I'm not really quite a hoarder in terms of keeping money or anything if people need something or if I can help anyone in any way in terms of, in that sense, I'll give it because, again, I'm just here to do God's work on earth. Yeah, yeah. I wake up every day at seven o'clock. I get outside and just like getting the fresh air just to start my day, right? Yeah, I'm a really early riser. Even though I'm in here like eight o'clock, I'm not eight o'clock, about twenty to nine some days and stuff, like hardy and early. Yeah, just, yeah, that's what I do for some other thing, but I generally just like getting up early and getting my day started. Even on weekends, like on Sunday, I'll be like eight-ish, like getting out, going to the gym and stuff. I'm going to walk in that, but yeah, that's just me. Never give up. You've got to have that mentality of never giving up. Times are hard, life's hard at times. You go through hurdles where it's not so good but you can't give up. If you give up, you'll get nothing. That's it. You'll get nothing. If you give up, you will get nothing and I've been brought up where I can never give up, keep fighting until the time's up. Baking. Why? Yeah, because I just go home and bake. That wasn't actually bake. It's like slang for just going home and chilling. I was just going home and just chill. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I'm bad with names, me, so I think, I think, I don't know, just my name. The intimate life of Emmanuel. That was a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.