 Welcome back in the original gangsters podcast. I'm Scott Bernstein along with my co-host Jimmy Buczolato the doctor Hi everyone. We're gonna give you a quick 15 minute supplemental episode right now Talking outlaws motorcycle club news. There's a lot of stuff to report a lot of stuff that's going on in real time I'm gonna start with something that could just be the bombshell of all bombshells when it comes to biker news There are rumblings and I've heard this from Multiple people that there have been Talks convened between the highest levels of the outlaws and the highest levels of the Hell's Angels to discuss some type of ceasefire or truce from their 50 year long war To you know kind of like your enemy's enemy as your friend there seems to be a lot of Consternation about what the pagans and Mongols are doing. We've been talking about it quite a bit on on og pod and From what I've been telling what I've been told starting in December some of these talks have have started to take place and they're at the highest levels of both of these clubs and it's just Incredibly compelling news when you know the history of these two groups. This isn't Unusual right for it. I mean it is in a way that these two are legendary rivals, but Wasn't there some kind of summit in the yes in the 90s with George Christie and Taco moment? Yeah, right? Well, this is the second territory and things like that. This is the second time that well if this is true This is the second time that you know peace Conferences have taken place between the outlaws and the Hell's Angels their war dates back to 1974 where there was a triple murder It's in South, Florida where The outlaws killed three Hell's Angels from the East Coast that there had been a dispute New years of 73 and then I think it was spring of 74 they've lured the three guys they had an issue with down to Florida and killed them and since then there's been a brutal 50-year power struggle and It's just that really came out of the blue When I heard that it took me off guard because in Michigan where we are right now At least up until December There were tensions that were building and this is based on DEA and FBI reports and court files that were building with the Hell's Angels coming into Michigan for the first time ever in 2019 And there was a guy got arrested last year and said he got caught on a wire talking about how he was Supplying weapons to the outlaws and Hell's Angels for a pending war in Michigan Yeah, I mean I don't I feel like that that was bullshit a little hyperbolic because I think I think Wasn't he I Can't remember he was a guy that was living I believe on the west side of the state got caught selling guns He didn't say this to Any law enforcement and like a debriefing right he was caught on a wire Talking to a guy in his you know group or his crew. Yeah that was wired I wasn't there's there's an argument. I think that he was embellishing that he was yeah I might have been getting status right trying to uh Make it seem like he was a bigger deal than he was by by dropping these these major club names when It that may not have been the case But I what we do know though is that there is at least one if not two or three Hell's angels chapters that have popped up in michigan in the last three or four years They had never dared come into the state before because this has always been outlaws territory And uh, they they've I think intentionally stayed away from Detroit Which is the outlaws, you know, one of their international hubs. They're either on the west side or they're up north so just something to keep an eye out on and I think It in some ways there was an inevitable um Backlash to what was going on with the pagans and the mongols I mean, I I don't know if I would have predicted that the hell's angels and The outlaws would sit down at the table together and talk about some form of joining forces But I knew that other biker bosses around the country weren't just going to sit by And allow the the pagans and the mongols to start chewing up territory all across the country Is it uh, the highwaymen and the outlaws coexist in Detroit pretty well as far as I know, but they're they hate each other though Okay, but they do I guess they do coexist right not not to say that they love each other, but that they they do coexist So, um, hopefully and I heard there were some overtures from the hell's angels at least in 2022 to the highwaymen About possibly some type of an alliance. Yeah, I was going to see what what's the highwaymen's Posture they've been rivals with the hell's angels too. They had some famous biker wars in the 70s with Uh hell's angels affiliates that were in this area. I see Um, but again, keep keep an eye on uh, keep an eye out for this I'll be reporting it on ganks report. We'll be talking about it here in the og pod and then I want to finish off with Uh, the discussion of the life and legacy of one of the most historically significant outlaws Motorcycle club shot callers. Uh, he comes from our hometown of Detroit. Lenny brawn. They called him Lenny the blonde He passed away this week 78 years old and he was taco bowman's mentor He was taco bowman's Uh predecessor He led the outlaws at the time that the outlaws were Becoming what we know the outlaws are today I believe he led the led them for about a dozen years from the early 70s Into the early 80s when taco bowman took over and he had to go to prison for a little bit But uh, it was known as an innovator A diplomat someone that was beloved Um, he was national president. He was The detroit outlaws president. Um taco became national president, but uh, he was someone that led the the outlaws in detroit throughout the entire 70s and early 80s and he was integral in Expanding the outlaws into canada He led a takeover of ontario Where the outlaws first made an alliance with at that point canada's biggest biker gang the satan's choice um And that alliance then turned into an absorption Where there was a famous patch over that took place July 1st 1977 at uh on crystal beach, which is Right off lake eerie. It's about a 10 minute drive from the detroit of the michigan canadian border and uh Lenny brawned and all the satan choice major bosses from ontario were there uh, and they had a A huge ceremony and celebration where all of the satan's choice Shot callers took off their satan choice gear and threw into a giant bonfire Hmm, and Lenny brawned and all the american Outlaw luminaries gave them official outlaw gear And made them the official You know branch of the outlaws in ontario and this mother mcqueen who was the engineering of this alliance on the canadian side Got named, you know the boss of all of canada for the outlaws this all happened on this Famous weekend in july of 77 and satan's choice though. There were still other chapters in canada Yes, it just took it took out satan choices ontario. Okay, uh presence, right? Uh, so lenny brawn was this uh You know taco was more of a I was telling talking to jimmy off air was more of like a war time general And from what I've talked to people that knew lenny brawn he was uh, he was a dreamer He was an innovator. He was a diplomat someone that uh I think it was very tough Not to say that he was a was weak, but you know, someone that wanted to um Make as many connections network as much as possible and and When people over By talking as opposed to coming in and shooting people or stabbing people get long blonde hair A curly blonde hair. That's why I called him lenny the blonde I know that he was someone that in his later years of life got into a glass art And uh was someone that was I think he would go to churches and help them Constructs stained glass windows. That's cool. Yeah, but he was a legend's legend when it comes to the history of the outlaws Oh geez came out of like the counterculture. Yeah, they're Rock and roll art created. I mean that kind of makes sense And and lenny was from what everyone I've talked to he was a kind of a good time party boss um, and he famously wanted to Create a detroit outlaw headquarters at the old garwood mansion Which was the epicenter of the counterculture in detroit in the late 60s early 70s It's on an island called grayhaven island right Uh in kind of the east part of downtown detroit off the river And he called all he called it for a national run of outlaws in 1972 And all the major outlaws came to detroit to kind of christen what was going to be the new headquarters And it got out of hand And they trashed the place and it made the front page of the newspaper Yeah, I was looking at the detroit free press Yeah, but but it shows you what an innovator what a dreamer, you know in a positive way that lenny was that he he saw this famous mansion that was the picture of counterculture and and turn it into this You know alternative picture of counterculture in the area with with the bikers Yeah, the uh the mansion didn't like the stooge's party. Yeah, everybody everybody party there That's right. Alice Cooper. Maybe I'm 68 to 72 I think it was known as the place to go after You know the night was done and you've gone and seen all the shows that you could see Uh between you know, let's say 10 o'clock at night and 2 o'clock in the morning But then you showed up at the mansion at 3 and from 3 to 6 that's when the real party started and and all these Iconic rock and rollers would get up and jam with each other. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I that's what I thought I mean, I don't know a lot about it, but I've heard about that. I just learned about it recently That's that's that's pretty cool. Well, obviously the the infamous stones concert We talked to George Christie about this that things didn't go well between the bikers and the rock and roll guys But there are other examples where there there's I think in detroit. They've always gotten along They like to party together. I mean even to the in more recent times and I think I've said this on here kid rock Whenever he's on concert the outlaws do all of his security. Yeah, yeah And uh, so, you know as we finished up talking about Lenny Braun I think it's important to to talk about the fact that He he was a you know a major factor in expanding the outlaws Outside of america, you know bringing them into can of taco then brought them to europe Um and tacos obviously the way more notorious Iconic boss, but but I think taco learned a lot from Lenny and Lenny in addition to Having this idea of turning this mansion into the headquarters and in addition to Staging this absorption of satan's choice in in ontario he created in 1975 what would be dubbed a underground fugitive railroad for any bikers in the united states that were running from The man and needed to take refuge across the border Lenny for a price Uh, well, I mean, I think if it was outlaws he would do it Yeah, you know because it was an outlaw, but anybody could also use this service They would have to pay and he through his contacts with the satan satan's choice in ontario Would smuggle these guys in cargo ships And get them set up in jobs In different parts of ontario and a lot of these guys lived for years Oh, it was a lot easier back then like you don't have homeland security and shit like that because Well, I mean the italians there's a lot of that going on too And Lenny was was tied into the detroit, uh, italians. I think he was going to introduce taco to a lot of those guys I know we worked with the jackaloni crew I talked to some of the old jackaloni crew guys in the last couple days And they gave me some some fond memories of Lenny So, you know r.i.p to Lenny brawn was not known as uh, like I said, he wasn't a a guy that had bodies He was he had a minor criminal record He took a drug pinch in 81 the federal narcotics trafficking with with outlaws down in, um, florida But uh, you know was just, you know, kind of the quintessential You know good time biker guy that You know probably isn't too dangerous But at the same time is someone that represents that Crazy culture, you know, it kind of fits in there like the dude You know, he fits in there for his time and place He fits in there just like a glove and that's who I think Lenny brawn was and uh, so R.i.p to Lenny brawn. I know that detroit outlaws, uh, did a big, uh, shindig for his funeral and his his wake He was living in royal oak, which i'm i'm in royal oak a lot if I knew Lenny was in royal oak I would have uh took him off to a to a cup of coffee But that that's our our quick, uh Supplemental episode we love giving you biker stuff We know we're getting a lot of great feedback for for people that really enjoy the biker stuff So we're going to try to keep on giving it to you give you more of it. Maybe some more of these supplemental Um episodes for scott Bernstein for benny behind the glass and jimmy buchelato. We are out. We'll see you next week