 All right, look, check this out. This is a fact. Fitness can definitely be the solution, or it can actually become the problem. The difference is how you do it. Fitness can greatly improve your health, both physically and mentally, or it can destroy your health. It's all about how you choose to do it. I think I don't want to eat fries and I just want to eat this shit. I don't want to eat this. You want to fry it? I do. Just one? I can. You eat a tomato. You just have any season and you just think, stink. That looks disgusting. Stink. Stink. I wanted to talk about this because... I want to talk about this because... You can overdo it? My own personal experience with this, I've been on both sides of this. And more recently, I'm really trying to self-reflect on my relationship with the extra. I told you guys I took most of last week off, from working out. Precisely because it's such a challenge for me not to work out. Yeah. So I thought a lot about this. And we run into people like this all the time in our space, personal trainers, people who work in the fitness industry, where you look at the data, right? You look at the data and exercise is like a powerful antidepressant. It's so good for health, prevents chronic disease. One of the best things you can do for yourself, period end of story. But we know so many people in our space where that's not true. Where they obsess about it to the point where it makes them sick. It makes them, they develop hormone imbalances. They develop body image issues. It's no longer healthy anymore if anything they're taking their life away. They're actually hurting themselves through fitness. And this is an important thing to consider when you're pursuing fitness. By the way, if you do it the wrong way, you also could just stop. That's the other thing that happens from doing this wrong way where you just don't wanna do it anymore. This is what happens to most people. But there's a small segment of the population when they pursue fitness the wrong way, not only do they not stop, but they go out about it so hard and so inappropriately and so dysfunctionally that they actually cause themselves lots of issues. I've worked with clients where this was the case, where they developed bone loss as a result, hormone issues, terrible dysfunction. I've been like I said, on that side of the track. It's an important conversation. Would you say the majority of clients that you've experienced with that mentality came from a place of addiction already? That is a big one, absolutely. The other part of it is they're fueled by their insecurity to the point where they become blind to the negative effects of this. I was just recently talking to someone, I'm not gonna say too much because I don't want them to feel called out, but this individual I've talked to before several times went to the doctor because they were feeling terrible, they weren't feeling good. This is a person who doesn't miss workouts, right? Does the perfect diet, all that stuff. And their blood results came back and the doctor's like your CK levels are so high that you literally need to stop right now. And you're in danger of needing us to help filter your kidneys out because this is so much damage. And I've talked to this individual before. So I was a little bit more blunt this time and saying, hey, look, this is dysfunctional relationship. You're harming yourself and to kind of reevaluate what's going on. But in our spaces is so such a common thing. And the reason why I think it's important to talk about isn't necessarily to talk to those people although I hope they're listening, but rather to talk to the average person who then glorifies those people. And that's where my question was gonna come from is what do you tell that person to be aware of that themselves? Like coming from a place that you admit that you have gone through this yourself, you've worked with people that have, what are some of the signs that this really healthy behavior has now dipped into an unhealthy behavior? Like what should they be looking out for? I think we know the obvious ones, right? Like you go to the doctor and you get told that your hormone levels are off or you're just running yourself on the ground. I think that's pretty obvious. But I think where this gets really difficult is when people are in the midst of, really making physical body composition change, right? And people are complimenting them like, oh my God, you look so good. And then they're in the thick of the seven days a week training, carrying the Tupperware around and then they're being told how good they look. Like that's a real hard time to potentially reflect and go like, maybe this isn't good for me or maybe I'm doing too much of this. Like how do I evaluate my relationship? It's so tough. I think one of them is you are ignoring your body telling you that you're stiff, sore, injured, tired. The other one is that you skip other healthy, joyful things in life to pursue your workout. So it's like, oh my kids, baseball game is at that time but I gotta work out or yeah, I'm not gonna go do that thing with family members or have that date with my wife type of deal or you go out and you're trying to have a meaningful time with someone and you're overly worried about the food that's in front of you and you're worried about, oh my God, I'm gonna go to this restaurant. How do I plan out what I'm gonna eat? How do I bring the perfect, you know what? I'm not even gonna go out. I'm not even gonna go anywhere because of all the stress and anxiety it's causing. There's another one. And then the other one is just if you have people that you trust and love around you, and that's important by the way, okay? So there's gotta be, it has to be somebody you really trust like if you're right or die person. If they tell you, you're probably a little obsessed, as hard as it would be to accept it, I think if you really do believe this person's got your best intentions, maybe consider that there might be some truth in what they're saying. And then lastly, does the anxiety and stress of missing a workout or not being on the perfect diet for a day or something, does that cause you more stress and anxiety than you think might be normal? That's the other one. That's me, that's what happens to me for sure. It's like, when I know I'm gonna miss a workout, like it was, it was, it's embarrassing to say, but I missed three days, three days, and three days I was like a drug addict. I was like, uh-oh, how do I distract myself? What's going on? So get itchy. Yeah. Well, what's tough is if you notice too, it starts to put you in a bad mood, you know what I'm saying? Like now you're short and a bad mood, you know, you should, you shouldn't, you should be able to not work out for a week and not it change. Totally. Cause technically, you're still just as healthy as you were the week before. My body needed the time, in fact, it was healthy. I went back to the gym today, felt amazing. It was just confirmation. Like, yeah, I should probably take some time off every once in a while, you know? It's so, yeah, it's tough cause it's easy to see it from the outside, you know, and to break through and to kind of get that person's attention is a really difficult thing, conversation to have. Like it's like having a conversation with a workaholic that's like putting all their effort, all of their, you know, myopic focus into being successful and it's paying off for them, which is, this is the other misconception to that, which we talk about. It's like that actually pays off in terms of like their sacrifice. Initially it pays off with your sacrifice with your body, but it gets past that threshold where now it's like actually detrimental to your health, which is like, this is a part that doesn't really get discussed a lot with exercising and fitness in general. I think one of the, one of the good ways to peer into it is the same way that you would operating and running a good business. And that is to really, really define your why and check back in with that. Like why do you work out, you know? And if you say that your why of working out is so I can be healthy and play with my kids and, you know, and be mobile and not have pain and go, okay, well- But none of that's happening? Right. And then you go, well, how much of that is really happening? And is seven days a week and hitting PR, is it really serving that? Is that really serving those goals that you say? So to me, I think- Your full relationships? Yeah, yeah. So I think that's, because I've been thinking about this a lot too. I brought it up on the podcast not that long ago, like, you know, trying to evaluate my own balance of like, you know, what that looks like. And then, so you have to ask yourself, like, well, why am I doing all these things? And if you say, now, then you have to then unpack that and go like, okay, well, are my current behaviors around this exercise aligning with what I claim my why is. I claim it's for all these things, but it's like, well, is it really if I sacrifice going to do those things? So like, because I didn't want to miss a workout or is me stretching my capacity, that is it serving those things or is it hindering those things and taking away? And so, yeah, I think much like operating a good business and revisiting like, why did we start this? You know, what was the main purpose of it? And because you can get distracted by all the things you get distracted by the success and all the opportunity and stuff like that. And you get so sucked in it, you forget, oh, shit, that's not why we built this. We didn't build it for those reasons. Like, so I kind of feel like that's- I like what you're saying. Yeah. I like that. I think you would have to probably write it out because that would force you, right? So like to think about it, it's easy to get distracted and kind of twist where that goes. But if you write it down and look at it, it's hard to not be objective, right? Because then if you're writing it out and you're like, well, why do I do this? It's like, you know, I want to be healthy. It's like, am I healthier right now? Maybe not. I want to be less stiff. I'm actually more stiff right now. I probably should take some time off, you know, type of deal. You're right. And just it can easily turn into, you know what it is? It's this incredibly powerful, invaluable tool. It's really all it is. It is not life, right? Life is not fitness. But fitness can be used, if you do it right, to really dramatically improve your quality of life. I mean, I don't need to make that argument. That's a fact, 100%. Cross the board. It'll impact everything positively if you do it the right way. But like any tool that's powerful, how you wield it is everything. And think of any powerful tool. If I wield it the wrong way, it could cause just as much damage as it can, you know, with benefits. And now for the personal listening, who doesn't have this issue, personal listening who just has the challenge of actually being consistent. So maybe this isn't resonating. It's like, well, I can't even string. This is by the way the reason why I have the hardest time with this conversation. Yes. Because I understand why I need to have it for myself and many of my other peers that, you know, found this profession because they had some sort of deep rooted insecurity around body image or whatever. So I understand that. But I also recognize there's a majority of these people that fall into that category. They're having struggle just being consistent. Yeah. And I don't want to send them the wrong message. Right. So to them I'll say, here's the value in what I'm talking about. There's two of these. One is it'll continue, as you develop this relationship with fitness, continue to check in with yourself about why you're doing this. Because it's also a path towards consistency. What I'm saying, if you stay away from that and do this the right way, then you'll actually find the right path toward consistency. The only path I've ever found to work for the average person is the path towards, is the path of doing this right. Doing this to care for myself. I'm doing this to nourish my body. I'm doing this because I deserve to be cared for and to improve the quality of my life. That's the path towards consistency. But the other part is because if you use social media as a way to consume information around fitness, it will help. It's almost like a truth filter. You look through the filter of what I'm talking about at the people you admire the most. If you're looking at this fitness influencer or this person that you're like, yeah, you know, I like their information. And then as you hear my words, you're looking at them and going, oh, wait a minute. This actually looks like somebody that might be having a dysfunctional relationship with fitness. Well, now you could take their information and take some of it and dispel some of it. Take some of it and throw some of it away. Like, okay. Now I can see that everything they're saying isn't necessarily true. And I'm gonna tell you this. The truth is, unfortunately, the majority of the popular fitness media experts out there are not the type of healthy people that we're trying to talk about. They are actually a dysfunctional type. And so if you follow their path, they'll lead you the wrong way. And so that's where the value is with all that. Anyway, good stuff. Today's giveaway here on YouTube is Maps Anabolic. In order to enter to win, leave a comment below this video, the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. Also, this month's sale, maps anywhere and maps hit, both 50% off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the show. So I got some gross news for you guys. Gross news? Gross. I don't know if it'll help you guys out, but I'm gonna talk about it, it might help some people out. So I recently discovered that, so I have gut issues that go on and off, right? Ann and I was struggling with them. I did some treatment for a parasite. Yeah. Yeah, it worked. Really? Yeah, tapeworm. Really? Yes, dude. Now you didn't have a tapeworm, you liar. Yes. Really? Yes. Like, okay. Tell me the process of like how it came out, dude. Because I know you're having a gut issue. Bro, it's not as uncommon as you think. It is not as uncommon. Yeah, dude, I did a treatment for tapeworm. It was one tablet. That's it, you take it once. And within two days, dramatic improvement in gut health. And now I'm like, Stop it. Bro, I swear to God. Okay, I'm doing that. I'm pretty much like normal. Did you throw up a worm? No, no. Nothing cool. No, I think you just poop it out. And I'm too afraid to look. You're too afraid. Come on, man. I'd be like. You want to see that one in there? You want confirmation. Yeah, I feel better. That's all I need. I don't want to see nothing like that, dude. Little bastards. We're a little shy in the pill. What is it? Is it not prescribed? Yeah, it's prescription. Oh, you have to get prescribed. Yeah, so you do a poop test. And then they can see if you have any parasites. Oh, I didn't know you did that. I didn't know you did that. So, and it's not as, thank you, whoever brought those pictures and we're going to punch you. That's disgusting. So yeah, because I mean. That's so gross. Depending on how long it's there, like. Well, I'm going to tell you, bro, with all the supplements and shit I take, I must have had a strong ass. I'm sure this was like a bodybuilder tapeworm, bro. All the supplements and protein. Even more reason to want to see it. He was just like, ah, you know. He's had a poison that fuckers down. Dang. Wow. So how common you were starting to say? Parasites in general are relatively common, even in developed nations. Yeah. So common, you know, you, if you, you know, you play out in the dirt a lot, you have pets. If you eat uncooked food sushi, if you eat a lot of sushi, then the odds are much higher that you probably have. That makes me want to know. What was it? That hookworm was like a, yeah. And then you know what really is common? Pinworm is really common with kids. Little kids get, especially if they go to daycare and stuff. Super common. What's pinworm? Tiny little parasites that kids will get. And it's actually relatively common with little kids. You can get that over the counter, the treatment, in fact. Now, what are some of the... Symptoms? Yeah, symptoms of a tapeworm. Lethargy, nutrient deficiencies. Fat face. Fat face. Your face isn't as fat these days, bro. Today I did, I did a video in my Instagram today. Operation skinny face. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you're gonna have to get to like 1% body fat, bro. I am gonna have to get to it. That's your stubborn body fat. It is. Hey, it's working as we get older. Yeah. Your face is... Yeah, when I'm 90, it's gonna be great, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna be so great that I had fat cheeks when I was like a kid. Yeah, I know. I'll never have to do those fillers, right? Yeah, no, so you know what's funny is that parasites will actually hide. So when you try to do like herbal treatments and stuff, once they start to, whatever... Well, yeah, I've been treating like... They can hide under biofilms like bacteria and not get touched. Hibernate and shit and then come out when... I know, dude. Bro, they co-evolve with humans. You know what I'm saying? They've been here forever. That's a problem, dude. I know, so... You know, that makes me mad, but also it would be great. You know, that would be like something, oh, good, like that's a tangible thing. That's an answer. Yeah, exactly, because it's been so mysterious and like I'll get some success and then I'll regress. That's how I was. And it's like, ugh, it's frustrating. All this stuff I was trying to do on my own before getting tested, because I'm a pain in the... When it comes to doctors, you know, I just don't like... I just... I'll just fix it myself, right, that's me. So what I was doing was kind of like a band-aid. Sal MD. Yeah, I know, dude. I was just band-aing it the whole time, but it turned out that I had to treat the actual, you know... Terrible patient. My daughter kicked on her. What did you guys all do this weekend? Were you guys away at families, have family over? I know John Wick was up. Bro, why is Doug a crime fighter at night? Yeah. He's got all the silencers. What was the motivation for the silencer? That's what I wanted to know, is it just because it's cool? Just cool, that's it, nothing more. It is cool, I think it's cool. Does it make a big difference? It makes a massive difference. Wow. Except I was saying, the one for the AR, you shoot it and there's so much of the, I don't know if it's gases that are coming off. Is that from the silencer? Yes. So it's getting kicked back into your face and it smells horrible. It doesn't smell healthy either. Yeah, yeah. Maybe practice shooting it with a toxin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Under hip? Yeah. That's how you're supposed to, right? That's how you're supposed to. That's how you're supposed to. So it didn't impregnate her with the minigun. Yeah, so, oh, that's what you were talking about, was the silencer that was talking about. Yes, so you'll see it when you get done shooting, there's like vapors and gases and smoke coming from it, because it gets hot, but it blasts it back into your face. And it's really very, like, it feel like one of those ammonia things that you smell. Oh, like lifting? It's kind of like that, yeah. Like liquid ammonia? It's definitely, I think it's doing something to your brain cells. I have to say though, I'm not a fan of the, this kind of square looking silencer. Like I like more of the round look. Oh, okay. Yeah. You want to look cool when you're sniping somewhere? Well, that's why we're buying it to be cool, anyways. You're just using it down at the range, though. Silencer's like the electric cars of guns, right? Yeah, yeah. So you have one on your handgun, and you have one on your AR, whatever. Wow. Now, do you have to replace it every once in a while? Is it always? As far as I know, they're good forever, yeah. You just gotta clean. Did you go long range with your long gun? I mean, I was in a range, I think. I can't remember the furthest you can shoot. 70 feet or so? I'm not sure. Not so far. Super accurate as well. Well, it is. However, I think it has to be, my sight needs to be calibrated because apparently the silencer may have affected the, I don't know enough about it. Have you guys ever read about the longest shot ever made in the military or something? It was like a sniper that shot someone like miles away. Have you ever heard of that? I mean, yeah, no, I've no, I know it's like the record's crazy. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe you can find it. There's so many factors that count for it, right? Bro, they have to count for the wind, the rotation of the earth. Like earth? Yeah, like ridiculous like calculations. And apparently like the bullet hits you and then you hear the gunshot. So if you're with your, his buddy next to him, the terrorists are just hanging out, right? And your body goes down, what? And then you go, oh shit, you know. What happened? Dang, what's the record? So it's 3,800 meters. So that's over a mile. But we don't know metrics. Yeah. So that's 4,156 yards. So multiply that by three. That's over 12,000 feet. It's about 1.2 miles. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's not, yeah. Is that almost two miles, isn't it? Isn't one mile 5,000? I forget the exact numbers. Just type it in Google. I don't understand what you guys. Do you have the most powerful computer in the world? We'd like to challenge ourselves. We do. What's that? It's almost two miles away. That is. That is. I mean, even just a mile is crazy. Yeah, it's 5,280 feet per mile. So it is a couple of miles. Wow. That sucks for whoever that was. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. A really good shot. Was it a competition or was that? No, it was a Ukrainian sniper. Oh, so that was actually a recording kill. This is very recent. It was in 2023. No, shit. Oh, that was the most. Now, so here's the deal. You're in a war. How do they confirm that? I know. That's it. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, look, get out the tape measure. No, of course, they have a spotter. Someone who shoots someone a mile away has got a guy right next to him who's going like, telling in the distance the wind and everything. Oh, that's true. So that's tracked 100%. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to know. Yeah, that's not. I mean, I guess you have to take their word for it, but I mean, I don't know why you lie. It's just been some propaganda. What was the ghost that could be? It was that they promoted in the beginning of the war. Yeah, there was some interesting propaganda. You don't think you'd be tempted, like you're in the middle of a propaganda war or whatever. Hey, tell everybody. Yeah, let's go. Just shut a guy five miles away. I'm tempted, but I imagine there's somebody who's supposed to like. Of course. Yeah, regulate that shit, right? Of course. Yeah, I can't say that. Oh, that's. Can't be like North Korea where he was like golfing and got like a hole in one. Every time. Every single hole. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's just a natural. That's all real though. Yeah. He's actually that's. Hey, so I just read a crazy article. So here's how you know something is taking the world by storm, right? You know, the Western world, I'll say by storm. So ozempic blowing up all over the place. Yeah. Have you guys heard of ozempic? Ozempic? I saw an article. I thought that was just like clickbait, weird, like smart supplement company that are that. No, no. Tiktokers is eight. Okay. So Tiktokers made a drink. Of course. Right. It's a drink made from oats, water, and lime juice. And they're saying that it's as powerful as ozempic at killing your appetite. Fat chance of that. So they're naming it ozempic. How? First of all, smart as that name. Yeah. Yeah. But second, just goes to show. How big and popular. Yes, dude, because it's people are. Now other side trends are happening from it. I mean, so I'll predict this like wait till all the supplement companies make a, you know, over-the-counter type of basic product that is supposed to. Oh my God, yeah. It pairs with the 100 percent. You know what I just thought about? It's in the glutides. So because of your experience and other people's experience. So I think for people who are really obese, it's, it could be a godsend. But I think if you're not that obese, it might be an issue because like you were saying, it's hard for you to eat. Very hard. Like you didn't want to eat. Very hard. At all. Yeah. It's wild. It's, it's a trip. I mean, it's kind of. Like you could survive. You could just eat 500 calories a day. Yeah. Yeah. Comfortably. Not like, not like fighting it like, oh, I'm, I'm trying to die. It like, I don't have a desire for food. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, and obviously, so, you know, so the audience knows too, I was off air. I was telling the guys that like, you know, my intentions of doing this, I'm very aware of the potential bad side effects that I'm going to lose muscle along the way. I don't care. Like I'm trying to be, I know, I can go get it back. You know what I'm saying? Yes. I've been doing this a long time. I can go get off of it. Add protein. Start looking like machinists. We're going to intervene. Well, Katrina's already like messing with me because she doesn't like it. And I was like, You have to put on two sweaters before you. Yeah. Yeah. Hang on. I'm having sex with a parka. Why are you wearing a parka? It's cold. Because it's cold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. Yeah. So, you know, the plan is to just to ride it out and see what happens initially like the conversation I had with you last time, you know, I'm also trying to reflect on some of maybe the eating patterns and behaviors that I've created for myself over the years. And let's see if it erases that or changes that. And let's see how my health is say in a month or two. And then eventually come off of it. But I really I want to resist like obviously if I wanted to sell it, I would be disciplined about hitting my protein intake every single day and like show everybody like check this out. I took this. Okay. So let me let me let me repackage what you're saying. What you don't want to do is show everybody what an what a IFBB pro physique competitor can do by using a Zempik. You want to show what probably will happen with the average person. Yes. Okay. 100% because of course it's it would be for someone who's trying to lean out period. It's going to be a massive advantage. One of the most difficult things of course during competing was the discipline of resisting the temptation to want to eat. You know, I mean, because you're going to be hungry. That's just part of the game. Like you if you're in a caloric deficit for an extended period of time, you're going to have bouts of hunger and cravings and all those things. And that is the part that it crushes. I mean, it just hasn't been there. Have you ever experienced anything like this? Nothing, nothing even close. And I've tried every fat loss supplement that's been on the market and definitely it's not like anything else. You said it reminded you. Which is by the way, why it's I can tell now why what the whole why it's going. You said it reminded you of when you were a teenage boy and you just didn't want to eat and you had to first feed yourself. Yeah, yeah. So, so which is this is again, back to my original point of, you know, I'm going to allow it to do this takes its course and see if it if these things surface for me like, oh, wow, interesting that I'm challenged by that. And let's see if it bothers me the same that it used to bother me as a kid because I, and this is what I remember as a kid of like who's was trying to build muscle and get big. Like I just did not have an appetite. And so I would be forcing myself the difference now is I'm not, I'm going to go with it and just kind of allow and see where it takes. What about like your drive and everything else though? Like. So drive to get things done, like work and households of that's all high. Labido, all that stuff. Yeah, just, what did you say? Labido. Labido is great. Yeah. Yeah, that's all, all that stuff is. Yeah. My libido has been great. I'm weak. I'm very weak in the gym and like, and now granted to you, you have to take some of this with a grain of salt because I'm coming off of. You're also sick. Yeah. I had a flu bug. I'm fighting a little bit of a cold right now. So again, I'm sharing with everybody my process. I'm not jumping to conclusions until I've been healthy, doing this for month, two months under my belt. Then I'll be a little, I think more certain about how I feel because that's a lot of inconsistency right there. Just in those two weeks. You want to hear speculation that I have on the supplement? So the supplement industry, watch, now I'm going to say it, they're going to do it. So there was a category of supplements that used to be very popular in the 80s and 90s, especially the 90s. It was a, it was actually one of the most popular category of supplements. And you rarely see this anymore. It's not really a very popular category anymore, but I bet products like this, these peptides like ozempit, like semi-glutide, terzepatide are going to potentially bring back weight gainers. Could you see, serious, could you see, so like with Adam right now, he does not want to eat, could you not see if you were like, oh, shit, I don't want to eat, but I also don't want to go off of it. Could you see the value now and a calorie dense shake that you would drink? Mill replacement. Offset. Yes. Yeah. What you, you made a point, didn't you speculate like you could see like the competitors using it and then I kind of said no eventually, but I can see now or though, like it would be an advantage when you're in a cop. Going super low cut. Yeah. Yeah. Like you, you stay off of it all prep and before prep. Totally. Let's build that. And that's like, when you know it's time to really shred. But again, the challenge is going to be is especially for a competitor who's built their metabolism up, you know, I can't imagine if I had. God, this could be terrible, especially with female competitors who Google goes so low. Yes. I couldn't, if I would, if I would have ran my metabolism up to say four or five thousand calories a day and then I'm like, I used to, and then I'd get ready for, you know, a six week cut for the show and then get on something like this. I would go from 4,000 to a thousand or 1500 calories. I mean, it would be too much. Yeah. I would just lose muscle so fast, so fast. Maybe this is now, let's go conspiracy theory, Justin. Maybe, maybe this is how we reach that dystopian future where you get little meal cubes, you know, where they're like, here you go. This is a climate friendly. You rehydrate it. Yeah. No, you know, it rehydrated. It's like, you see your ration. The cube. And you're okay with it because you have zero appetite. So you're just like, yes. Yeah. Yep. Climate friendly. Meal cube. Right. Fuel. Fuel. Yeah. Yeah. Back to work. Well, Doug asked me a question. I didn't do that. It doesn't matter either. Whoa, that went, that went forward. Doug, Doug asked me too. So we're gone. If I've noticed a difference and I think I do, again, still early, I also was sick. And so that makes a big difference. So we'll see. Like food isn't as satisfying. Like it's not like when I, when I eat, like I just, You don't get the same hedonistic. Yes. Exactly. Did you not have candy on Easter? None. What? Yes. Desserts everywhere. Okay. That's not like you at all. Nothing. No candy. Really? It's all over. No jelly beans? Nothing. That's three. That's three. Not one jelly bean? Not one. Keppery eggs? Not one. What's happening here? One jelly bean. I almost did. No, we had. I ate hella jelly beans. We hosted too. So I had pies and cakes and our house was full of stuff. Oh, wow. And I didn't have none of that. Wow. Look at that. Yeah. I had, I did have a, a glass of bourbon. That's it. I'm a little worried now. Oh, is he the, yeah. I did have some alcohol. So that was about, that was it though. But that was just purely out of like social. Like, oh, I'm with family. Everybody's all have it. And I had some, I had, I had one on ice while I was barbecuing. Bro, I ate at least 1500 calories with the jelly beans. Hey, nobody here funny stories. At least. This is bro. Talk about like, just winning dad. Here's a dad win right here. So, uh, you know that like we've now transitioned with max knot. Like we don't police candy like we did when he was a kid. Now he understands what it is. You already set the grout. You already set the stage. So check this out. So of course my son, you know, sees his nana, sees his nana, sees my mom. So everybody got him an Easter basket. So he gets like five Easter baskets. You know, we go out when we see my mom's Easter basket and my mom's, I come from her, right? Sweet tooth, like, so of course, and she knows how I am about candy. And so she was like, you know, I made sure to put some coloring books and some other, like, so it wasn't all candy or whatever. And so he gets it. And we, you know, we were there at her household day and we get in the car, we're leaving. And Max goes, mama, where are all the toys? How come all I got is all this candy. You didn't want it, dude. It was so awesome. That's great. Love this kid, dude. It was so great. Just, and literally just took it all out of his, he didn't even give a shit, dude. Didn't even care. Didn't even care that we took that, took the candy. And again, allowing him, if he wanted to have it, it's Easter. We don't do it a lot, something like that. But he was so disappointed that there wasn't more toys in his Easter basket. We've trained him that we give him all toys. The dog ate half of Everett's candy. Oh, no. He's thrown it all up. Oh, I was happy about it though. Both because the dog learned the lesson. Yeah, exactly. Both of them, yeah. Wow. Did you guys have family over? No, so Ethan actually is on the east coast right now for the east coast trip that they do at school. Oh, yeah. And so he's getting to see all the sights and stuff. He's such a great kid, by the way. You raised such a good young man. Yeah, he's a good kid. It's one of those trips. I was like a little envious. Like, I didn't get to do it when I was in high school. Our kids do way better shit than we do. Dude, so much better stuff. And it's great. I'm like, he's sending me pictures of all the cool spots. I go to Boston and all the way through DC and hit up all the historical stuff. But so he's gone. And so it was just Everett and Courtney and I. And so it was low key. We just went to my parents. And then they left for Palm Desert. But what was it? Thursday night or Friday night? We went, Courtney and I just decided to do a date night. And there was this stupid, it was called Yacht Rock. Have you guys ever seen this? Oh, did you go to that? Yeah. How was it? But what is that? It was ridiculous. Oh, so it was a good I missed. Yeah. I mean, it was like, if you're in the mood to listen to really lame music and like try and dance like a white person, you know, like that's your spot. Yeah. And you put on like a captain's hat. Oh, yeah. And there was a lot of people there and they're like, you know, Yacht attire. And we were listening to like Christopher Cross and like, you know, like all these like really soft rock stuff. I don't even know who that is. Christopher Cross. Oh, yeah. It's it's like all like kind of like it's popular kind of soft rock, you know. And I had a hard time figuring out how to dance. I was just like, you know, like, dude, it was like a bunch of Ned Flanders out there. What was the age group? Was it was it old? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were the young kids. We were the young ones. Yeah. They're all did they did it? The yacht go out and cruise or do you guys stay right in the pit? It wasn't a yacht. It was it was at a club. It was in T-Trait. I thought it was a yacht music. I thought you were inviting me to a yacht party. It wasn't a yacht party. I would have been so disappointed. I would have been so disappointed if I would have rolled up and be like, oh my God, you would have killed me. You'd never believe anything I had to like offer you again. Yeah. No, it was yeah. It was like in this little club that's like downtown Felton. So it was like, yeah, it was it was a spectacle. It was good people watching. Good time with your wife though. Good time. We had a great time. Oh, yeah, that's all. Yeah. We're going to rock. I don't want to hear about you, but you just reminded me of something I actually wanted to ask you guys that I had never heard of this. Did you know David Bowie did a bond so you could buy and get seven and a half interest back in 1995? What? Bowie? A David Bowie bond. This is brilliant how this worked. By the way, the reason how this came up was from all-in podcast. Jamath was sharing and comparing how Donald Trump's stock is like that. And he goes, I think we're going to see more and more of this in the future where people can invest in a personal brand in a sense as an investment, that this person's stock is going to go up. And that's what you're seeing with Donald Trump. And he said, an example of that was back when Bowie- How does that work? You put your name on it, but it's investing in something? So basically what happened with the bond with Bowie is that he basically, he tied it to like all of his greatest hits. And so if he didn't pay back the money, you now had ownership of those great greatest hits. Oh my gosh. But everybody made their money. And he gave everybody 7.5% back in the 90s. Wow. I didn't know you could do that. Interesting. That's brilliant. And that's smart. Did you look it up, Doug? Yeah, it's right up there. Asset-backed securities of current and future revenue of the 25 albums that David Bowie recorded before 1990. Wow. Yeah. So that's how the bond worked was you invested in it. He was going to give you 7.5 returns, 7.5% on the money, but he got 55 million up front. So he got 55 million up front that he go take and do with it. The people who invested in it, basically we're going to get residuals off of that, those songs over the next 10 years. Wow. And everybody got their 7.5% interest on it. He still got to go keep his songs and he got the 55 million dollars. That's interesting. We're ahead of his time. Interesting. Here's a fun fact. Brilliant, right? Here's a fun fact. When Jessica was a teenager, she had a huge crush on David Bowie. What the hell, babe? Yeah. Yeah. David Bowie. That's mysterious. I mean, look at it in labyrinth, dude. That's when she liked him when he was in labyrinth. He had those crystal balls, dude. He was very hypnotic. I don't know what that says. You know what I mean? I don't know what that means or whatever. There's the androgyny back then was like different. There's a firehouse by our house that when you walk to the park to take the kids, she'll walk to the park. The firehouse sometimes will be open and then my son loves to go in there and look at the fire truck or whatever in the fire fire's mount and say hi or whatever. So Jessica will text me and be like, oh, we went to the firehouse again. I'm like, you know, it's like the third time. Again. Third time this week. That's kind of weird. She's like, oh, they're all old. I'm like, that doesn't mean anything, babe. Look who you're married to. I think you like old guys, dude. Brought the shot to you this time to sign the calendar. Send me a picture next time of who these guys are or whatever. She's like, I got them all listed in your podcast. All right. That doesn't help or whatever. Anyway. So what did you guys do? We had Jessica's niece and nephew come stay with us. Love them. Love those kids of death. And so they were with us and we just did a bunch of cool great family stuff just connecting and playing with the kids and stuff. And, you know, Easter Bunny brings my three-year-old. This is Jessica. She's the one that sets up the Easter bastard stuff. And I was surprised that she did this. I didn't. This is doesn't seem like a gift that she would think is smart to give my three-year-old. She got him some Nerf guns. And I'm like, oh, this is going to be cool. Interesting. Yeah. Because he's going to blast people in the house and shoot all over the place or whatever. So let's see what happens. Sure enough. That's what he's doing. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's shooting people and getting it taken away every five minutes. You know, that's awesome. But yeah, we had a good time. Then we did the Easter egg hunt and my one-year-old actually understood the Easter egg hunt. So she walked up like I'd hold her hand. She'd walk up to the Easter egg. She'd take it and put it in her basket. I'm like, oh, you know how to play this. This is so cute. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but we had a really good time. It was great hanging out with them. There was a couple nights where we got to sit because my daughter was with us too, where we got to hang out with just the teenagers because her niece and nephew are, I think, 14 and 16. And then my daughter's 14. And so one night, we all, a couple nights, we all sat out and just hung out and had a conversation. And then we played. And I don't know if this was a good idea. We played cards against humanity. I forgot those cards. They have like a kind of more family-friendly version. That's not the one we played. Bro. Yeah, that's pretty. And I, I, I realized, I mean, so my daughter, bro, my daughter, my 14-year-old daughter has the darkest sense of humor. She laughs at stuff that I only understand because I'm also that way. Oh, and then I got to tell you this, we went to Great America. Oh, is that where you guys were at? So then later in the day, I took them to Great America, right? And we were, you know, going on rides and stuff. And then they have these like, they have like a go-kart track there. I don't know if you guys know that. You could pay extra to do it. No, I didn't know that. So we go there. They did not look like Great America, I didn't know. Yeah. So me, my nephew, and then my daughter. And so I'm like talking to my daughter. She's, she's 14. Like, honey, these are fast. These are actual go-karts. Trying not to bump into people, whatever. She's like, shut up. I know what I'm doing. Don't worry about it. I'm like, you know, she's like rolling her eyes. I'm like, kind of worried, you know? Cause they're pretty fast. And you know, you, you can, I mean, you can bump them pretty hard. And you're a worrywart when it comes to that. And I'm a little worried, right? Bro, they hit the, the green light goes. And she's vicious, bro. She's vicious. Taking the inside track, pushing people out, power sliding. Then I'm behind her trying to pass her. And every time I try to pass her, she swings in front of me aggressively. As hell. It was the most proud moment. One of the most proud moments of my life. I bet, I bet. She beat everybody. She beat the first place. That's awesome. So aggressive. Did you see that? There's a viral clip right now going around of Carl Sands, who's the, the Ferrari driver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, he went to a go-kart track. Like a kid's one like that one. But like a little bit more souped up ones. And he started in last place in 20th and in the cameras and he had it recorded so you can watch the whole thing. Just beat everybody? Yeah. It's actually pretty sick to watch him go from 20th all the way to first place. Like just methodically taking one, one go-kart racer out of time. I don't think anybody knew either. Like he was all undercover, like having fun and stuff like that. And it was, it went viral. It's all over the place. Now you can, you can see. That's like when those basketball players dress up like an old guy and then they show up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just ball out. They just, yeah, school. Hey, who was it, Adam, that reached out to us about the Juve light? Who was it that texted us over the weekend? Oh, somebody was just buying. Yes. It was, oh, now I can't, I can't believe it forgot his name. That's terrible. He's one of our great friends. Part of the Ramsey network. Oh, John. John. Deloni. Deloni. That's who I was. I was like. He, he's getting himself a Juve light. So he reached out to Adam and Isaac. Is this the real deal or what? Yeah. Like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, bro, listen to the episode where Doug talks about testosterone levels. Yeah, yeah. Have you been consistent with it still? Are you doing good? Yeah, pretty consistent. I've been traveling a lot. So when I travel, of course, I can't use it, but almost every day, every morning. Yeah. See you better. I didn't do it this morning, though. See, I'm up and down. I'm up and down. I can feel it. Last time we talked about it, I was. Right now, I'm not. That's the same thing for me. It's like I get on a roll and then I'm like off and then I get on a roll and I'm off. Dude, I got to tell you guys, do you guys know what Jonathan Haidt is? That name sounds really good. So I think you can't look him up. Can you get his credentials? Oh, the Connolly American Mind. Okay. Is that, did he write that? Yeah. Yeah. Now, what is his background? So he's a teacher. So, so Connolly American Mind was written by two liberal teachers that were professors. And I don't remember what. So I know he, okay. So he's a professor. Yeah. Yeah. So he's a professor, does a lot of research. He wrote a book called The Anxious Generation, How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. He's a psychologist at New York University. And he specifically is writing about how social media and smartphones are affecting children's mental state. Of course. And the research is not good. The research is not good. He says that rates of mood disorders among U.S. college undergraduates suddenly spiked in the early 2010s. The number of kids reporting depression and anxiety rose steadily every year after that decade till rates were up 134% and 106% respectively by 2020. Similar statistics are being seen in developed nations around the world. By the way, that's when Apple introduced its first front-facing camera phone in the summer of 2010. Instagram was also launched later that year. So he's like, and he's looking through the research and he goes, this is, this has a terrible effect on us. They have been surveying children in teens. So this is kids themselves saying it. So you know, teenagers are like, you remember what it was like to be a teenager, you think you know everything, whatever, half of teenagers. So this is, this is teenagers themselves. Half of them saying they feel addicted to their phones, addicted. I mean, and that's, okay, these are, these are the self-aware ones that are admitting it. I mean, I would, I would argue that's what I'm saying. I mean, listen, I, uh, so I took four days off, uh, basically from the phone this last week, right? Or this week over through the weekend. And the reason why I did was because it was prompted by me getting angry. I was like, we rarely ever get any hate and, you know, but we do occasionally. And I think that if I go on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube and I read a comment that it will piss me off. All day. Yes. All day. I know. And I found myself on my day off in the middle of the day, like I had this little break, Max and Katrina went away and I'm sitting there and I'm like, still thinking about that comment. I'm going to fucking tell that guy. You know, I'm like, it was really, and I stopped myself. I went, oh my God. The fact that I would allow and, and, and like, what made me put it like, I sat down and I had like this, you know, internal conversation like, we have millions of listeners. We have, I get emotional when I read the reviews and the positive stuff that is said about what we've done and, you know, I'm so proud of all these things. And I'm like, so, and then, and I could let one motherfucker or one post that someone did to attack us or like that, like ruin my day. And it's like, wow. Like that is, that's all me, man. Yep. That's all me right there. Like that's, so I was like, fuck this. I didn't, I'm not giving it the power. And so I just like stepped away. I was having this conversation with my, my daughter and my niece and nephew. And we were talking about it and they were actually open to be honest with you. They're open about with the conversation. So my niece is remarkably self-aware for a 16-year-old. And so as we were talking about it, she goes, yeah, she goes, I said, what's, oh, this is what it was. So we have this game where you could pull cards out that ask questions and it's good to like, like conversation. Table conversations. Something like that, right? Yeah, yeah. And one of the questions, it prompted me to think of asking more questions while we're at Great America, waiting in line or whatever. And they say, hey, what's one of the hard things about being a teenager? Okay. Of course they, they tend to give you, you know, stupid answers or whatever, trying to be funny. But she answered honestly. And she goes, one of the tough things is comparing myself to other girls and not feeling good enough. They said, wow. I said, where does that happen mostly? She goes, oh, when I go on social media. So we had this great conversation and they were really open. I said, you know, whatever you see a lot of, your brain thinks that's the world. I said, but now I said, look, everybody look around right now at Great America. I said, does any of this look like Instagram? Like your, like your news feed. Yeah, yeah. And they were all like, no, no, you're totally right. I said, but so what you're doing is you're comparing yourself with this total fake world. And it was really interesting. In this book, by the way, more research, there's, he also talks about schools that ban phones and how dramatically it improves the kids' well-being and test scores simply by, by banning phones. Something else that's interesting. Aside from not letting your kids have a phone until they're like 16 or 17, which by the way, he is asking governments, he is saying now that governments need to change legal internet adulthood, which is 13 to 16. He thinks they need to do that like country-wide. Yeah, it's a little bad for Everett. Yeah. Right when he gets it back in again. Sorry, yeah. Sorry, pal. Yeah. So, so check this out. Jonathan, hey, and I'm going to preface this by saying this, this is a fact. He is a, he is a very open atheist, very strong atheist. You know what else he found in his research? One of the strongest counters to the anxiety, depression, and harms of social media, he found in his research were children of families that had a active spiritual practice. He said it had a very powerful effect in countering what the kids, the negatives that can be found with social media and smartphones. I mean, do you feel like that's because it just, you know, church is built in community? I think yes. It anchors them somewhere else. It reminds me, you remember when we watched Peterson live and like when he made the comment about, like, I mean, one of the most profound things for me that he said was when he was asked. What he would do different? Yeah, what he would do different, raising his kids and he sat there for a minute and he goes, we would have went to church more. Everybody was like surprised by that. And then he made the point of like, you know, it's like, religious or not religious, right? Believe or not believe, he goes, but what are you replacing that time with on Sundays? If, you know, this, because there's all kinds of research to show what happens when you are in a community like that and all the health benefits and how good it is for you, that's obvious. So then if you're going to choose not to do that and say, I'm not going to be able to, what are you going to do and replace that? And it's like, how many parents actually go, Hey, I don't want my kids going to church because I don't believe in God or whatever. But then what do you do? Yeah, what do you replace it with? You just let them play on the, on, you know, call a duty all day long than instead or you don't say anything or you let their friends, you know, teach them like, what are you doing instead? And so I think that, that's probably why I think it points to, there's that community that built that. Without it, you think about it like, how do you reinforce your, your why? How do you reinforce your, your morals, your values? You know, if you're not like consciously a part of something that's like, you know, deliberately structured to. That's greater than yourself. That's greater than yourself. To point you in the right direction. You just, you know where you get your values? I mean, that's really difficult. From the social media. Yeah, it's a really difficult. You get it from social media. And what does social media tell you is valuable? Beauty, money, fame. Like what are you, what are you getting from there as a kid? Now if you're an adult and you have established like, you're already rooted and grounded, you can look at that and be like, you know, that's not like, that's not what makes you happy. Like I figured this out, I'm 45 years old. Like that's not all, you know, 13 year old, 14 year old kid. Like you don't, you don't know. So you start to think that that's what's important in the world, especially for young girls. Like I feel really, really bad for young girls. Who are constantly hammered that their value is in their sex appeal. Constantly they're told directly or indirectly that what makes them valuable is how sexy they are. What a terrible message to tell a kid, you know? Anyway. Speaking of social media and stuff like that and lies, did you guys know that Shaggy's voice is not what it's, what you've, what you have heard it as? What? That is made up. He was making that. I saw that. So that's not his voice, Vanilly? He was making, he was being, he was joking around with some friends and did that voice. And that became his, and that became, you know, when you said Shaggy, I was thinking of Scooby-Doo. Zoinks! Yeah. Right away I was like Scooby-Doo. Yeah. Look up, look up Shaggy's voice isn't, he's, he's not Jamaican. And so that, no, I did not, this whole time I didn't know this forever. He was, he was doing an interview. I think it was on a podcast and I, I caught the clip. That's terrible. I went, no way. And then he's like, it did, it blew up. And so he just stuck with making his albums in that voice. But that's not even his, that's not even his real voice. Does that make you, does that make it more, does it change, like whether or not someone wants to listen to it or not? No. I guess not, right? Because it's all entertainment. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It depends on like how you- It depends on his real voice. What if it's hella weird? I mean, it's not hella weird, but it definitely doesn't sound like that. Don't you guys? You know. Yeah. Did you find it, Doug? I think so. That's funny dude. How did you figure that out? I just came across an interview. It had popped up in my feed and I clicked on it and I don't remember what it was titled or what I thought. Speaking of that, that whole world, well you just mentioned interviews and stuff. Bro, Cat Williams, all the clips of all the shit he said in the past Oh boy. He's all surfacing because all the stuff that's happening with P Diddy and all that. Bro, he wasn't full of crap, was he? Hey, hey, okay. By name, I mean- I mean, I've been waiting to see you guys and see how much tinfoil hat you guys are on this because there's lots of conspiracy theories around. Like, is P Diddy just the fall guy? Did they just do the raid so they can get in there and go destroy all the evidence so nobody can tell you like, what's really going on here? Yeah. I mean, is this just like a continuation of Epstein and this was just like another arm for it? Sure. Connected and all the same people are part of that circle. We got to see what's happening. There was one- It feels like it's tied together. I heard an interview by another hip-hop artist who, I guess he's a Christian hip-hop artist who, and he talks about Hollywood and he goes, he gets invited to these parties and he goes, and I've seen a lot of stuff that's happened. He went to P Diddy's house for a party and because they knew that he was not into that kind of stuff, they would tell him, hey, at this time, you might want to leave because things are going to get kind of whatever. And he said the first couple, the first time he said, I'm going to stick around like I can handle whatever. And he's like, no, I had to leave. He goes, it got real crazy and wild. Yeah, you're seeing a lot, all the artists that are coming out right now, Mace came out, was talking about some stuff too, that he walked away from tons of money and stuff like that because he saw it. Ice Cube, yeah. Yeah, so what we need to ask more questions is why the royal family seems to be in all the mix of each one of these Epstein Island discussion. They always get in brought up. Yeah, because like, was it Prince Harry was like part of Puff Daddy's upbringing? Like his rise to fame, so to speak. Was he? Yes. Isn't he listed? Is it true that he was in the report or whatever? Like there's like a court document and his name is in there, in accordance with the whole case? Is that just bullshit? With the PDD one or Epstein? PDD. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, yeah, these are all lawsuits. Well Epstein, what's his name? So who knows if they're verified. Yeah, wasn't Prince Andrew on the Epstein? He was there, there's photos of him there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well that's the thing. It's like, I don't know. It's interesting if, once you start kind of looking further into like who's really behind. He's named. Why Prince Henry is named in the 30 million dollar Sean Diddy Combs sexual assault lawsuit? Yeah. So he's in, his name is in the lawsuit. Yeah. Oh, damn. This is all new right now. This just got dropped. Now, what's his name? Cat Williams said in 2024. All the shit's gone. Everything's getting revealed. But that's the thing is like he, how did he know that? I'm trying to say. You should look up his origin in terms of like Puff Daddy and like how he even got the fame that he got because he came from like some theatrical school and like was in the music and production and all that. But like then got somehow got connected to Prince Harry. And then now of a sudden he's like this mega producer and he's like, you know, getting all these people on the label. So the other, the other rumor is too is that, or conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call it, is that, that is why he killed Tupac was because. Tupac was in Tel-Avon. He was going to, was going to put them on blast and say something. So I read that. It was all built into the retaliation for Biggie, but in reality. So the big story is this, or the big conspiracy, overarching conspiracy is this, that Epstein Island and these big celebrities who throw these big parties, they give drugs to people, throw parties and then they record them. It's all blackmail. Yes, they record them doing things that they could then use for blackmail. So like, you're this tough hip hop artist. You go to PDT's house, you party, you drink, you take drugs and then you, you have sex with a dude. You do some gay, yes. And then they're like, we're going to reveal this if you don't sign this contract, which would kill your whole career because you're supposed to be this tough, right, or whatever. Or Epstein Island, they bring politicians over there, have sex with underage prostitutes. We'll use that. So that's why they're, that's the big, big story that they're trying to say is true. Because apparently at PDT's house, every house, every room. Everything was... Well, I sure hope this isn't just Epstein all over again where we just, nothing comes of it. Yeah. You know, all these crazy articles and all this, oh my God, flight logs and oh my God, this person, that person and then like, just disappears. But that's why it feels a bit like, they can have like a scapegoat. They can have somebody that's like, they can pin a lot of the attention on while they're like, he's alluding the authorities and all this and distracting us in some direction. Is he in custody? Do you know? I don't know. I don't know. Can you look it up? They've been, they've been spotting him in certain places. I don't think he's in custody yet. Yeah. Because that's the thing. I'm not sure this is criminal right now. I think it's like, he's being, these are allegations, he's being sued and like try, like it's civil, right? No, is it criminal? No, no, no. I think this is criminal, bro. Well, they don't go kicking your doors out for some civil. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he broke laws. I think that they have evidence that he broke some laws. Yeah, and I don't think you, I think in order for like, Yeah, the feds to come in. And door kicking in like that. And then he has civil lawsuits. And that's not like, oh, we think maybe. That's like, we've been building a case. Yes. You have to have enough evidence for a judge to give you the approval to do it, go kick someone's door. Yeah, which, yeah. I mean, I haven't seen anything about him being detained. So. No, it looks like he went home. Okay. That's weird. That's weird. Yeah. He just raided his places. Okay, now that's what makes me. That's even more fishy. It is. That's what makes me worried. Like, imagine charges get dropped, but they just go in and go get all the evidence. We found nothing, you know. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, let's see what happens. Smoking mirrors, man. I swear, I believe nothing that I watch growing up on TV. It's all bullshit. Did you ever get into the octopus murders yet? No, we're going to try and pick up again tonight. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. My, my, my one year old just randomly decided to stop being a good sleeper. She was like an angel. She was like the perfect sleeping baby. And then all of a sudden she's like, nah, I'm going to stay up till three o'clock in the morning and just terrorize you guys. I, you know, on last week or last thing that we recorded, I was, you saw me going through it, right? With my son with the whole egg thing and, and, and crying and everything like that. I didn't tell you guys this that day, but it fucked me up all day. Like all day, like I was like so torn on, okay, what's my desired outcome? I have to say something to him. Going to say something to him. What I want to happen from it. I don't, I also don't want to crush this, this beautiful soul and his, his kindness and all of that. And luckily, you know, I had the opportunity to talk it out with you guys and even express it on the podcast. And then I had four hours or so before I actually got home and I saw him. And I'd say that was the, that, that was the first real dad talk I've had. Like, like a real, like a real talk where I like sat him down. It wasn't just like, you know, tell him he couldn't do something. He could do something. Like that's kind of how. Every little thought out. Yeah, yeah. It was thought out and like, it was a little bit of a, you know, it wasn't long, but it was like, it was the closest thing to a mini lecture that my, my son has received from me. Yeah. Luckily, one of my, one of the other things I was worried about was that it didn't bother. I didn't know if it would bother Katrina as that much it bothered me. And then I found out when I got home, like she had told me and she's like, she's like, man, I called my mom. I called this. She was, I was so, she was, I was really frustrated. She was like, I was really torn on what to do. I said, Hey, I'm just glad you were there because I didn't have the, I've had now had the time to process and think about it. And so I, I, I came home and as soon as I came home, I said, Hey buddy, I said, Daddy wants to talk to you. Okay, daddy. And so I come over here, sit next to me and he sits down next to me and I said, Hey, how was your day today? Oh, it was good, but I almost didn't get in the eggs. And then you could see him getting a little tear. I said, Hey, you don't, don't cry. It's okay. Just tell me about your day. Oh, it was okay. Dad, it was okay. And I pull up the video of Katrina was recording him where he stopped and he starts crying and I, and I showed it to him. And I said, How come you, how come you stopped and you cried like this? Oh, daddy. And then he started to get worked up here. Don't cry. You're not in trouble. A daddy just wants to know what you were feeling, what you were thinking, what was going on, how come you stopped? I didn't think I was getting eggs. I said, Son, there was eggs for everybody. There's, look at it. There's two eggs right by your feet. All you had to do was bend over and pick them up. I said, Listen, what I want you to understand is you're not in trouble right now. I love you, right? And you didn't do anything wrong. I said, but Shafer's don't quit. And you quit right here. You just stopped. I said, I understand that you might not have got eggs. It might have been hard. I said, but these are the moments like this that all daddy wants you to do is to try. You can't do your best. I don't think you were doing your best here. I don't think you tried at all. In fact, you took a few steps and then you just stopped and you started crying. And so we had the, and he was like, you could tell he was understanding and he was like, okay. And he's like, okay, daddy, next time I'll be brave. Next time I'll be brave. Okay, cool. So we had that and it was all over and stuff with that. But man, I tell you, all day long, I was just like, and had it happened in real time. I don't know if I would have processed it. The best thing, the best part of that was you said, I love you before you said the rest. Yeah. Because then he doesn't, he feels like, oh, my dad, I can hear you. Yes. I didn't want him to think that's, so I thought a lot about that, right? Because I didn't want to come so hard. Like, don't do that. Or he could misconstrue it and be like, my dad doesn't like me or something like that. Yeah. I didn't want him to think that he was, because one of my biggest concerns was we were, I'm definitely going to get this across that that's not okay, right? It's not okay to just quit and cry. Like that's not okay. But at the same time, too, I know he's sensitive and I know that was overwhelming and like, and I love that part of him that he's like that. You know, he struggled. Yeah. And so it was a challenge for him and stuff like that. And then I could tell, by the way, we're sitting next to me and I was like, that's great. When my, when my three year old does some, some shit because he's impulsive and he'll just like throw like the other day he took my daughter's AirPods and just chucked and he's got an arm too, chucked him against the wall. And it was like, oh my, so Jessica does this thing now, she'll get mad at him. And then she'll say, I love you and I like you, but I'm really upset. So he'll get really mad at me like, I don't like you. And he'll run away and she'll be like, I love you and I like you like, I love you too. But I'm mad. You know, it's like he repeats it back to her. Dude, it's the funniest thing ever. Max's new thing is if you ask him, where did you learn that? Or where did you get that? Oh, it's in my brain. Yeah, it's in my brain. That's what he says about everything. Oh, speaking of kids, I gotta tell you guys, the, so this is a big win for one of our partners, Paleo Valley. They're meat sticks, teenager approved. I gave it to, I was giving it to the teens that were with us and teenagers were paying the ass when you give them anything remotely looking healthy or whatever. They love them. They love them. Oh, did you have my boys? I was like, who you got with teens? Yeah, dude. They love them. Are they still with you right now? No, they just took off. How long they stay? They were here, let's see, one, two, three, four, four days. Four days. We're going to try and get them to come back over the summer and try and stay with us. Now, what was that like? Because you got a household, bro. You got a lot going on, a lot going on. And then you just threw two teenagers that weren't yours in the mix. Yeah, dude. And then my son from college was with us too at some point. Oh, he was too. Oh, wow. So we had a house full of just chaos. We sat Jessica and I at one point, she sends me a text. She follows it up with something else, which is funny, but she sends me a text. She goes, stressful, noisy. The house is a mess. She goes, but I feel so fulfilled. She goes, I love the way it feels to have the house filled with people. And then I think she realized where I'd go and she filled it and she followed up with, you're still getting the vasectomy. Don't think about it. She knows we're all going with that. You know what I mean? Right away. It's like six. But that's what it felt like. It was like so, it was such a full house and loud and again, messy or whatever. But man, it feels so good, you know, just to just to have that energy, you know, with everybody together. Have a full house like that. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah, that's great. All right. Do we got a shout out? Maybe I should shout out that book by Jonathan Haidt. I haven't read it yet. Well, then you probably shouldn't shout it out though. Okay, you're right. Oh, why don't you shout out. I got a shout out. I got a shout out. Shout out our coaching that's still going on. Well, well, I got it. I got a shout out on one of our guides. We talked about Terzepatide and some of Glutide. Yeah. I don't know if you guys know this. We have a peptide guide that our partners at nphormones.com created for us. Is that my pump free? Mine pump free.com. Mine pump free. Mine pump free.com. It's a peptide guide. So if you it's free, totally free. You download it, cost nothing. And on there, it breaks down all the most common peptides, what they do, what they don't do. Oh, yeah. How they work on all that stuff. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So it's great. Brain FM is music that literally changes the state of your mind. Literally changes your brain waves. By the way, this is backed by funding from the National Science Foundation. So if you want to improve your focus, if you want to go to sleep faster and better, if you want to feel better, literally put this music in your ears and it changes the state of your brain. By the way, you get 30 days for free. Try it out. See for yourself. It'll blow you away. Go to brain.fm forward slash mind pump. All right. Back to the show. Our first caller is Rick from Arizona. Rick, what's happening? What up, Rick? What's up, Rick? How can we help you? Well, so I have, I have an issue. So I did the Spartan World Championships this past November and it was a three day event. And since then I've been training roughly about six days a week and doing yoga on day seven. But the issue that I have is, is that I did a uneven bar obstacle that essentially it screwed up my shoulder not to the point where I can't train with it, but it sounded essentially like if you slam on your brakes really hard, almost like a grind. Like the anti-lock system. And I've been, say again. It's like the anti-lock system that kicks in on the brakes. I know what you're talking about. Right. Like grinding. Right. Like, yeah. So that happened on day two and I did the rest of the races on day three. But since then it's been almost a nagging pain at kind of the, almost maybe the nine o'clock. If this was a clock, it'd be right here in this spot. And it's just a continuing nagging pain. Yeah. Okay. So let me, let's get a little context here. You trained for the Spartan World Championship. This is a three-day grueling event. Your training that led up to that, I would assume was a lot. A lot of volume, a lot of training. Most days working out. Correct. You did the event. I'm done working out six days a week now. Seventh day is yoga. Okay. So do you, with what I'm saying, do you see anything that could be preventing any healing for your body? Does anything stand out? Right. Yeah. I think overtraining is a key. I've tried to, I've tried to separate it out with two days heavy and then the remaining days light or functional. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're, you're that level of competition and training that, that leads up to that. You need time off. Yeah. You don't need. Okay. Yeah. You don't need two heavy days and then three light days and whatever. You need to take like All light days and less days. Yeah. You need to take like, I mean, honestly, you need to take like three days, like like two, like two weeks off. And during that two week period, you could do things like walk. You could do static stretching. So you do some mobility massage. But yeah, but you know, light mobility, not workout mobility is what I would do. And then coming at it, because here's the deal. You're, you have an injury. We don't know what the injury is. Where you pointed is a, you know, what people refer to as like a rotator cuff type injury could be an infraspinatus or the supraspinatus muscle or the stabilizers of the humerus. Maybe a partial tear, maybe a strain. Actually, you know, we can, we can see right now if there's like a real tear. Can you lift your arm out at 90 degrees like this for me? So bend your arm at 90 degrees, right? Can I see your elbow? Okay. And you can rotate that all the way back and then all the way down and then go all the way down, rotate it down. Yeah. So like right here, it just tends to, it tends to be tightness. Okay. So it didn't look like a full tear because you still have the movement. It's quite strained it. Yeah. So you're going to have to take some time off when you come back to your training. Then I would do an emphasis on shoulder mobility, external rotation, and then the rest of your upper body training would be very light. I'm thinking prime pro and symmetry. Yeah. So I think prime pro. Oh, perfect. Because you've got this. Yeah. Yeah. The isometric. So I think you should take off, give yourself a little recovery. You should come back using prime pro for all the shoulder stuff. And then in the first and then do map symmetry. Map symmetry, the first two weeks is isometrics, which is perfect. And then from your isometric portion, by the third week, you get into unilateral work, which I think is the next thing that we should do. So that would be the prescription. Prime pro right now, while you're trying to recover for the next week or two, then when you start feeling a little bit better, don't rush it, go into symmetry and follow the way that's laid out. Yeah. Okay. And then I do have a 24 hour endurance in June. Should I lighten the load when I, as building up to it? I mean, you could do some, well, first of all, you could be doing stuff like cardio. I didn't say like that's, I mean, we really take off some weights right now, but what you can be doing right now is at least working on your endurance. That one. I just wouldn't push the intensity because you're still going to compromise some of your. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Your, your, your body's ability to heal. So June, so you made, wow, okay. So we don't have much time at all. All right. Well, look, we got two, there's two, there's a scenario here that we're dealing with. Scenario one is compromising maximum performance, but placing a very high potential for an injury that's going to require much more than just rest and mobility. Or so in other words, you're probably, you're better off fixing your shoulder and going into it with potentially less performance than you are trying to push the performance past this injury. In my experience, it almost never works out well. In my experience, can, you know, fear of loss of performance and pushing past or through an injury results in none of it. Like in other words, you'd have to stop. I can't do the event anyway because I hurt my shoulder and now I'm totally screwed. I mean, I personally, I would let, so he doesn't feel like he completely said, I'd, you know, I'd work on endurance right now. What's the, what's the race look like? What do you do in it? Um, so it's going to be in Killington, Vermont. It's going to be a 24 hour endurance of essentially you're, you're rucking and then every two miles they add about, you know, they add a five pound plate and it's essentially going as far as you can. Is that the, is that the Joe Decina death race? That's not the death race, is it? No. No, okay. No, that's not the death race. Yeah. Okay. So you can train for that while doing mobility there because yeah, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're rucking, you're not, you know, pressing anything overhead or supporting yourself. Yeah, yeah. Right. No, just work on your cardio endurance in the next two weeks while you're recovering and then follow the prescription we said. Okay. Prime Pro. Totally. Symmetry. Do you have any of our programs right now, Rick? Um, I did the max on, or the, the anabolic. I've done that one. I haven't done any other programs yet. I just, I essentially found you guys probably about eight months ago. So I've been listening and kind of getting information. Okay. Cool. So Prime Pro, okay, is designed to kind of compliment any of the programs you're doing. It's really designed to help you troubleshoot injuries like the one you're dealing with. So you're going to use it, which is great. This will be something that it'll be nice to have in your tool belt going forward, especially if you like races like this is when you have injuries or issues that are bothering you, you go to that area and there's a test that you do and it's pass or fail. In this case, you're probably going to fail the shoulder test on that side. And then there's specific movements to do to help rehab you in that area. So you're going to primarily focus just on the shoulder stuff right now and probably doing a little bit of your endurance training and resting, like Sal said. And then a week or two, hopefully you're starting to feel better and then move into map symmetry and follow it the way it's laid out. Yeah, you should, if you're doing everything right within a week, you should notice significant improvement. If you don't, then you may, you may be doing something wrong or there may be a more severe injury. Don't overdo it. Yeah. Yeah, that might be the big thing. Rick. Don't over intensify it. Like this is all like to try and help heal and think of it more as like a therapeutic dose. Yeah, you truly, you truly could do nothing for the next week or two and let the body heal is probably one of the best things you could do, but you could get away with doing so much. So the only thing you could do wrong here is doing too much. Yeah. And I, you know, one last thing I'll add, Rick, you know, they've done studies now on factors that increase the risk of injury and the one thing that increases the risk of injury the most, like by far, more than warming up or lack of warming up, more than, you know, train too hard, whatever, is poor sleep. So in during this process, I would really prioritize sleep. There's almost nothing you can do. There's no recovery tool or method or supplement that would come close to getting really good eight hours of sleep every single night. So if you really want to turbo charge this, that's what I would do. And then if you want to add something to it, you can go to nphormones.com and talk to the doctors there about BPC-157, Thymus and Beta. These are peptides that can also accelerate the healing process. They won't replace mobility in good sleep, but in addition to them, they were pretty fast. I didn't even think about it. I'm telling you, you know, if you have that, it would be great. Yeah, have you, have you heard us talk about Transcend yet? The company we work with? Um, sorry, there was a little side back talk there. Go ahead. Yeah, are you familiar with the company Transcend that we talk about, we work with that we're partnered with? Yes. Okay, cool. Yes. Go to nphormones.com Get a consult with them and then Yeah, BPC works really well. Really well. And if you combine it with Thymus and Beta, it's pretty good. Also another thing to just have for somebody who does race it. Well, someone like you, you seem to like this extreme stuff. So yeah, yeah. So you'll, you'll get a kick out of that. All right. Sounds good. You got it, man. Do you have Prime Pro in symmetry? No, it does. We'll send that over to you. Okay. Yeah, and I'll definitely get working on it. And I'll send you notes for how it works out. Appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate the fault. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. All right, Rick. Thanks, man. Thank you. These extreme events are getting more and more popular. Oh yeah. I know people love them. I think people were so not challenged and you know that people do it? That's exactly right. And then they're like, oh my God, I feel alive. You know what I mean? I just feel alive because you'll find people that seem to be addicted to these events almost. Yeah. I mean, what we should do, we should get better about this is when we have someone like that is like ask them why or well, appearing more into like what they do for a living and stuff like that. I bet you there's a very high percentage of like desk jobs. But I bet it's really rare that the contractor gets out there and does sports. Yeah, yeah. I'm serious. Seriously, how many contractor buddies or guys you know that do these things? Well, that was like, okay, so when we did our rival game that I decided to do for football it was like nobody that had like, was a plumber or contractor or anything like all the guys that we needed to play like didn't play because they're like, no, this is going to compromise like my like well-being my career. So it was like, you know, I understood that, but it's like, yeah, most of those guys don't want to do like the extreme stuff. Yeah. That's funny. Our next caller is Deanna from Ohio. Hi, Deanna. How can we help you? Good morning. I am so excited. I actually, I was going to come see you at the Arnold because we, Ohio, me and my brother and I put that on Facebook and Justin and Doug actually responded to that. So I was so excited. Sorry to miss that. That was Doug's fault. Yep. I take the blame, Doug. I take the blame for everything. That's it. Yeah. How can we help you? Okay. So I'm going to read my email. I modified it a tiny bit. Don't be mad at me, Doug, but when I wrote it, I was not headstarted to CBO protocol yet. And so now that I'm almost done with that, I just kind of updated it a little bit. Okay. Okay. So I'm a 52-year-old woman and to say that I need help from my MP guys would be a major understatement. I feel like I'm out on an island all alone and no idea how to find my way back home. In 2020, I got back into a consistent workout routine. By the end of that year, I felt like I was in the best condition since my 20s. Unfortunately, after my brother turned me onto you guys that year, I realized that just like I had been doing my entire life, I was doing it all wrong. I was severely over-training and under-eating, but in my defense, I just didn't know that. In August and September of 2022, everything started to go wrong. I started gaining weight. I felt exhausted to the point. I would have to stop in the middle of my workouts. And overall, I just felt horrible. By January of 2023, the wheels fell off the bus and I was barely a functional human. I was lucky to sleep two consecutive hours at night and was rarely able to get five total hours of sleep each night. I was getting migraines every day. I was an emotional disaster crying all the time. I got anxiety so bad that I was afraid to be alone in my own house. I felt overwhelmed by life every single day. I couldn't think straight. I kept gaining weight and I felt completely exhausted and depleted every single day. In April of 2023, I did hormone testing and found out that all my hormones were low. I started bioethanical hormone replacement therapy in June of last year and honestly thought that was going to change my life and make everything better. But after seeing, not seeing or feeling any progress in November of 2023, I finally gave in and bought Dr. Cabral's Big Five Bundle and Gut Lab. I love Dr. Cabral. I got my results in December and all six labs results showed that I was a hot mess. I have leaky gut, numerous food sensitivities, high levels of mercury and aluminum, low omega-3s, low TSH. My body isn't breaking down fats. I'm not absorbing protein. I have an absorption problem in general. My cortisol spikes at night, even though I'm on bioethanical hormone replacement therapy, all my hormones are still low. I was so just severely deficient in all my vitamins and minerals that most didn't even register on the scale. I was supplementing with Mellow when I did the labs, but was still low in magnesium. I have a methylation problem. I'm not processing vitamin B, so I was completely out of everything vitamin B. My D3 was super low. Nothing was good. All my ratios were a mess. And most of the results boiled down to stress being a big factor of some of the things being deficient. My results showed that I am in a constant state of fight or flight. On January 2nd, I started the 7-day liver detox, which was absolutely a game changer. A week after that, I started the CBO protocol, which is a three-month process. So right now, I am just under three weeks from finishing that, which that has been a life-changing experience as well. After I finish, I have to do the gut finisher to help seal up my gut, and then I'll do a heavy metal detox. And I'm supplementing with all the things that I need. By January 1st of this year, I had gained 20 pounds from the time everything had started going wrong. This was not due to overeating just that my body was so messed up. Since doing the liver detox and being on the CBO protocol, I've lost 13 pounds. But I feel like I'm at least in the mid-30s body fat percentage where I think I've always been. I've always felt I could not build muscle, but I assume that had come from grossly under-eating protein and under-eating in general my entire life. I feel like my whole body is riddled with cellulite. I feel like I have had this issue my whole life, but it's worse now. I feel like I don't look like I work out at all. Where do I go from here, guys? How can I hit my protein goals while being on the CBO protocol? And then the thick of food eliminations, eating such low calories, meal spacing, and eating the recommended smaller portion-sized meals. What program should I be following while in this low-calorie season of my life and while trying to get my body balanced and functioning properly? At my age, can I do anything about the cellulite or has the years of starving my body and not understanding the need for protein destroyed my chances? I need you guys now more than ever. Yeah, Deanna, I want you to get out of your own way right now because you have just, what you've overcome is amazing and incredible. And you're doing the right, you're moving in the right direction. You're right there. With the right priorities. You're getting your health in check, working on your gut health, allowing yourself to absorb nutrition because without any of that, exercise, it's not going to help when doing anything. No. So you're doing everything right. I don't want you to change anything. You can add exercise, but I'd be very careful with the intensity and the application. Map Starter would be the perfect program to start with. And that's it. I wouldn't change anything. I wouldn't change anything until Dr. Cabral's team says you're good. Now you can move into something a little different because if you push too hard right now, you may reverse out of where you're at or you might start to backslide a little bit. Stress-related. That's right. I hope you can see the, I hope you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I feel like where you came from and where you're at right now, you're heading in the right direction and it's around the corner for you. And the only thing that we could do right now is really kind of screwed up for ourselves by wanting it too fast and too soon. I mean, you've gone through this, the shitstorm for so long and you're so close now to healing yourself. It's going to get better. It's going to get better and you're going to be okay. And yes, your body can't absorb protein again. And yes, you can build muscle. And yes, you can build the body and the physique that you still- Totally. Yes. All the, yes, all that. But just be patient. Okay. Keep, keep, stay the course. You're seeing great- Okay, here. Let's hear it. Here's the bad news. So last year, even at my worst, January and February, I was like, I could not barely function. And then by March, I said, hey, you got to do something. At least try to do one set of the big five moves down in the basement. See how you do. And try to maintain any kind of muscle mass that I had. So I did do that as much as I could, but like literally two days a week. And then at some point, it got to like two sets of the big five. Just with dumbbells, the intensity was very low because I was so weak. And so then in January of this year, I kind of started working out again. And Dr. Cabral said that was okay, that you should work out. Well, he might have, he obviously knew how bad I was because all my results, which he didn't see, but his team did. So right now, in my basement, one day a week, I go to the gym. But because I have to eat on these scheduled times, it doesn't work out after work. So I go home, go in my basement, and I do do like three sets of some dumbbell exercises, kind of like anabolic, but not like to a tee, but pull the exercises from that. So I have been working out since January. And I feel stronger, like my dumbbells are increasing up. I do feel stronger. I don't necessarily steal out of muscle tone, but I see some. And that's kind of where I'm at. That's just more good news. That's more good news. Yeah, that's fine. You can do, you can do MAP 15 or MAP Starter. MAP 15 or MAP Starter would be appropriate for you. And you got to let your body heal. That's it. You have to understand too, the fact that you are even seeing any sort of strength gains and feeling like you're seeing any difference is incredible considering you're stealing still in the healing process. Once you are, once you are fully healed, you're really going to start to reap the benefits of the work that you're putting in. And the only thing we could do wrong right now is pushing too fast, too hard, too soon. So what you're doing right now, it sounds like it's a perfect amount of volume. Sounds great. So if you don't want to do what Sal said to starter, then keep doing what you're doing and just allow Cabral to finish the protocol with you and you to start feeling better because once you start absorbing protein better, your digestion is better, your energy is going to come up, your strength is going to come up, it's just, it's all going to come together. It's a compounding effect. Yeah, all at once. So right now on the protocol, I'm only eating 1200 calories a day. So I'm only getting 96 grams of protein a day, which worries me because I feel like the cellulite is getting worse because I feel like I'm paring down muscle. And so how do I, how would I reverse? So you know, Justin knows this. So he likes you to not eat any food until lunch. He likes liquid before lunch. And he likes you to space your meals three to four hours apart to give time for digestion and just your gut to rest. And he wants you to be done eating three hours before bed. I get up at four o'clock in the morning and I go to bed at eight. So if my meals need to be within my lunchtime at five PM, I don't know how to, how I'm ever going to reverse out and get my calories back up. It's not going to be forever. There's an order of operation here. So, okay, let me put, let me give you an analogy. If I had a knee injury, I would have to rehab my knee injury before I could get stronger at a barbell squat. It would be, it wouldn't make sense for me to try to get stronger at a squat. Without rehabbing an injury, I would just, it would just go backwards. I would just hurt myself. Not only would I not get stronger, I would get weaker. So you're, you have to finish and follow the protocol. And it's not going to be forever. At some point, you'll be able to eat different times or whatever, but it sounds like we're, we're reversing out of a lot of damage. I get it. It's psychologically challenging because, you know, that's where you want to be and to Sal's point, it's really, it's the intention right now is to heal. And so like to go through that and just really focus on that and like improving that to its fullest capacity. I mean, it's, it's a hard mindset to maintain for a certain amount of length and I was struggling with the gut protocol. It's difficult, you know, and, and so like I commend you. It's a difficult process, but it, you will get through it and you will make it out and then you'll feel better, which then will apply towards, you know, your strength and everything else you're trying to pursue with, with working out. Deanna, are you in our, are you in our private forum yet? I am. I have been for a while. I'll tell you that I'm not a huge social meter person at all. Like my time, I go to bed at eight o'clock. I work full time. My life's pretty stressful. That's okay. I don't want to encourage it then. I don't want to encourage you to do it more than if, because I'm not, I'm not a fan of it anyways, but I would love just to check in from you, you know, once a month with us, just letting you know how things work. That way we can just give you a virtual hug and remind you that you're doing fine. Yeah. Because that's all this, that's all this is right now. You're doing, you came from so much, you made all the right decisions on how to take care of yourself. You just need to be patient right now and just know that this is, this is just a season of your life. You're not going to be here forever and you're going to get to move back out, back into eating more calories and more protein and you're going to be able to build more muscle and all that stuff is going to come. Just stay the course right now. You're doing really good. So just, just check in with us once a month. If you're feeling like this again or letting us know how things are going and then we'll be there to help support you through this process. Okay. And if I'm like, if I tend to be, so my life is stressful but I don't, I feel like I handle it well and working out obviously helps. Am I doing myself a disservice like working out like three days a week or what, like when I'm, I don't know, like when life's stressful. It depends. Yeah. It depends on the context of what's going on. That's when I would adjust the intensity. That's when I would adjust the workout. But if you find yourself getting stronger, then you're probably moving in the right direction. You're probably doing the appropriate amount of training. The only thing I would add would be a stress management reduction protocol. That would be the only other thing I would add. So that could be meditation, meditation, belly breathing, prayer, something that really helps. Something that helps with stress management would be the only thing I would add. Okay. Okay. I can't hang up without telling you guys so that I'm going to try not to cry here, but since my brother turned me on to you guys like almost four years ago, like you guys have really changed my life. So I hit a son who passed away seven years ago. He was a personal trainer and listening to you guys each morning just makes me feel it brings me back to him. Like he was so passionate like you guys and he just loved helping people and he kept it real. And you guys remind me, each one of you have something about you that just reminds me of him. And so I just feel closer to him every single morning. You guys bring joy to my life. And I just really appreciate everything that you do and how much you've helped me. And I went and went to Dr. Kroff. It wasn't for you guys. I would never know about Leaky Gut. It's not hearing from you guys. So you've taught me so much. And I've told everybody about you. I talked to you guys. I talk about you guys all the time. But I want to tell you one of the things wrong in this space is when you have someone like me who don't look like they work out, it's not doing you guys any favors when I try to sing your praises because they're probably looking at me like, girl, they must not know what they're doing because you're not looking. You've probably brought us more listeners than you realize. I think they can hear in your voice the authenticity. So thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So I love you guys. I hope you keep doing what you're doing. Adam, when I met my husband, he sat and peed all the time. Not just at night. I love it. No peace place in anywhere. But I cannot get on board with the peanut butter and jelly. It spares like jelly. For the jelly night for the peanut butter. You win some, you lose some. Can't win them all. Can't win them all. Thank you, Deanna. Thank you so much. All right. Stay in touch. Love you guys. God bless. Thank you. Yes. You have a good day. Bless you. You too. Bye-bye. Wow. Too early to get emotional. Yeah, dude. I'm over here fighting it back. Yeah. You know, I think there's an order of operation. I hope people hear from our communication with this. You can't skip a step when it comes to getting, you know, fit or lean. If your body's fighting something, if you need to heal, you can't skip that step and get to the lean or to the strong or whatever. Just doesn't work that way. So there's really only one way to do it. But I do understand the challenge, right? She's doing really good, man. Amazing. She's here. From where she came from? Yeah. The fact that we, we haven't had a chance to talk to her until now and she made all those decisions and she's found out all that. I mean, that's, you know, how many people that go through this and they never get to the bottom of it and they just, and then they just continue to try and beat themselves up. So it's amazing where she's at and she's so close. She's so close to getting healed and it's going to make all the things that she's doing so much feel so much better because effortless. It'll feel effortless. There's nothing, there's, I mean, I don't even have the faintest idea of like this level of stuff going on in the body but even just having my hormones off or going through that process. One of the most difficult and discouraging things is I've trained for so, for so long and I know what a balanced diet and what good training looks like and I know how my body's supposed to respond and then I know how it was responding when my hormones were right and boy is that fucking tough. Of course. It's so tough to get up and go to the gym and make the good choices. You know, do it yourself. This is where you need cheerleaders. Yeah, when you're not, when you're not seeing the return in your investment. It's telling you you're on your right track. But you're, you're close, Deanna. You'll be fine. You're almost there. Hang in there. Keep going. Our next callers are Austin and Cassie. What's up guys? I think this is the first. Double trouble here, huh? Have we done couples therapy yet? No, we haven't done couples fitness yet. What's going on? How can we help you? Hey guys, huge fans. My name is Cassie and this is Austin. Hi, I'm Austin. We are big huge fans and in fact our very favorite thing to do is to listen to your podcast and then we'll discuss it together and like use that as our like fitness motivation and we're a workout buddy. So it's so fun. Thank you all for doing this podcast. We really enjoy it. So thank you. Some fitness nerdness for you. Thought you'd appreciate that Sal. Anyway, but Austin, I'll figure out what you asked. Yeah, I'll just jump in and ask the question then I'll try to keep it short. Basically, we've been working out for a little over a year now and we have had fantastic results. We just ran anabolic just back to back to back. We've done it three times now and we just don't know should we keep doing that or should we now move on to something else? I kind of want to use the strong program and she kind of wants to do symmetry. We're in the best shape of our lives. We're in our mid-30s. What do y'all think we should do next? Your wife is right. Yeah, symmetry, but yeah, be a better follow-up. From anabolic, I know. Always right, man. Get used to it, get used to it. I know, I know what that feels like. No, so listen, it's not that map strong is a bad follow-up but knowing the programming of maps anabolic it's very focused in one plane of movement. It's very one-dimensional, great for muscle, great for strength, great for metabolism boosting. But when you run it back to back to back, what ends up happening is you start to create imbalances between moving in one plane of movement to the other. Rotation isn't really in there that much. You get really strong in one direction. Yeah, so symmetry would be great for balancing the body out, especially following a program like maps anabolic. Another good follow-up would be map performance. Those would be the two ideal programs to follow anabolic with. And you'll love the results. You'll love the way it develops your body. We don't talk about it as much as we used to at the beginning, but when we first wrote all the programs, we wrote those in the first three in that order with that intent that most people should follow in that order regardless of what your goal is, was that. And really the idea was taking into consideration all those things is like, okay, if we just got really strong with anabolic, what are the things that that program was lacking that would be ideal for the ideal client? And that's why performance is the natural progression of that. Now, what's great is symmetry has unilateral work, has some components to it that will address some of the things which came later. We wrote that program way later on. So symmetry would work there, but the true ideal progression, if you guys were climbing on it, allowed me just to take you through programming. It would go maps, anabolic, math performance. And then you could do aesthetic or you could do strong or you could do something else like that because that one's more bodybuilder focused. And if that's not a goal, then I wouldn't necessarily push you in that direction. But those first two, I think make a huge difference to follow them in that order for that reason. I guess you won the, we're doing symmetry. I have been tiny my whole life. I was like 145. And after doing this program, I'm like 175. And I'm not a small guy. I've been amazing, dude. I'm wearing my mind pump shirt. And I just love it. Hold on, you're killing it. I want to go straight to strong, man. Hold on. You gained 30 pounds of mostly lean body mass. That's phenomenal. I know. I know she had great results too, but I'm not going to tell her weight. But she can and she wants to. I lost like 70 pounds of body fat. And I don't know how much muscle bit. Oh my God, during this whole process. Yeah. The two of you have really done an incredible transformation. We need to see some pain. I know. Did you guys do like before and after it? Yeah, we were going to, but I don't know. I was a little nervous. They say no before and after. So we try not to focus too much on like the looks. That's a good answer. That's a better answer. I have kids at home and stuff. Hey, good answer. Oh my God. Good answer. I didn't think I could like you more. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So listen, here's the deal. You're not going to compromise muscle gains by following a program like performance or symmetry. No. It's actually going to continue to be very preventative. Yeah, because if you keep following anabolic and people fall in love with that program because of the gains that they get, especially when they first get started, but it'll slow down if you don't address those other issues. So symmetry, performance, that's going to keep you moving in this direction. That's going to keep you moving forward at this nice pace. A muscle building hack to always remember is one of the best ways to stimulate growth is novelty. And so when you change to a program, changing to something that is very unique and compared to the what you were doing before will stimulate, even if it sounds weird, it's different. Oh, it's performance and we're going to be doing all this unilateral work and I don't know if I really want you, but because that's so different from anabolic, it's going to make your body want to build more muscle. So even though it doesn't seem like it's a muscle building program, it will absolutely continue to do that, especially if you've got your diet in line and everything else. Get ahead of that plateau. We're working on that. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Man, how exciting. That's so cool. That's great. Yeah, yeah. And you guys got kids, you said? Yeah. Two boys that listens to my pump almost every morning when I drop them off to school. Oh, man, I'll watch the bad words that we say sometimes. Sorry about that. No, no, he'll be okay. They hear worse from my mom probably. Just tell me your mom. They're three and six years old, so they're tiny mites. We're trying to keep up with them. I think that's really the big thing for us. Yeah, that's awesome. All right. So we'll send over symmetry, okay? That'll be the next program for you. Awesome. Thank y'all so much. Thank y'all so much. Yeah, we appreciate the support. All right. Holy Toledo. Wow. What a great result. You know what's crazy when you look at the school? She said she was down 70. She was down 70. He's up 30 of lean body. What? You know what's crazy when you look at the data? Incredible. I remember reading data on couples, and I remember reading this because you guys know the gym over there on Santa Teresa. We all worked there and ran that club. And there was a gastric bypass program across the street. Yep. And so sometimes it would send over patients who would have gastric bypass procedures. Yeah, a few of those. And I dived into the data. And I remember reading data on couples where if one person pursued health and fitness, lost a lot of weight, transformed the cells, and the other person didn't. It was like a divorce. The divorce rate skyrocketed. But there's another side to that. When a couple pursues health and fitness together, their divorce rate drops considerably. And the results are exponential. Obviously, you see that. The stick rate is very high. It's much higher. People are much more likely to make it to maintain sustainable results when that partner follows it with them. So it's really great to hear. You know, there was a point in my dating career, back in the day. It's a career. You did have a career. Sounds resume. When I actually dated a lot of girls early on that weren't really hardcore fitness chicks. And my thought process back then was I'm so obsessed with the gym that I don't need a partner who also is. And so having a girl that was more balanced and didn't really care about that. But then I realized, too, that over time, when I'd be dating them, I had my moments of weakness. And if I have those moments of weakness where I'm like, oh, let's go eat this. Or let's take that girl that doesn't care about working out. She's like, yeah. Yeah, like pulling me in that direction so much. I realized, oh, wow. Here's a cigarette. Even being the. It's like, whoa. Because I was thinking, let's take a slice of pizza. Yeah, okay. Chicks, you think I was dating Justin? I mean, I've met him. He has met him, bro. You've known each other for a long time. He hit the nail on the head. But yeah, I think having a partner, man, to help you stay in line. 100%. It's so such a big deal. I don't know how many times Katrina what's beautiful is when you're aligned like that, everybody is. Yeah, one's off. The other one's on. Yeah, the other one's on. And so then she's like, oh, let's have a burger. And I'm like, no, then we don't. It's like, man, having that partner who's doing that with you makes a huge difference. Our next caller is Nicole from Arizona. Hi, Nicole. Hi, guys. What are you doing? What's happening? This is, well, this is really cool. Sorry. I'm geeking out a little bit right now. Sorry. All right. How are you guys? Good. Good. What can we do for you? So my question is regarding how I've gotten stuck with my squat and deadlifts. I wonder if you guys have any advice for someone who tends to pinch their sciatic nerve when they're squatting or deadlifting. So I've been working out for a while, but consistently I've been weightlifting for a couple of years. I discovered you guys over a year ago and started anabolic and it's amazing. I can't believe how strong I've become, but I can officially bench press when I squat and I'm not some freak of nature that can bench press that much. I'm just that weak with my squat. So when I was a child, I was diagnosed with scoliosis and it was one of those things that the doctor said I would kind of grow out of. But once I got into my 20s, I noticed that I have back problems and about once a year, I'll pinch my sciatic nerve. And when I was younger, I would do it doing dumb stuff like unloading the dishwasher. But now that I've learned to kind of focus on my core strength and I've been working on your guys' programs, I always do it squatting or deadlifting. And last time I did it with a deadlift and I couldn't work for over a week. I have a hard time like just getting out of bed or lowering myself onto the toilet. It's really painful and it's really scary. So I was wondering if there's anything you guys can help me out with. Just to let you know, I am running performance now and I am also utilizing Prime. I work on my mobility every day. I go for walks every day. I'm trying to do everything I can to make sure that when I hit 40, I'm not just this immobile person who has back and hip and all the terrible joint problems. So I'm wondering if you guys can help me because I want to be stronger and I know that I can be stronger. How are the mobility days right now serving you? Can you tell a difference when you're doing them? Or I mean, how do you feel from the mobility work inside performance? So I can tell that my squat depth has gotten better and I actually do what you've recommended a lot, Adam, is when I'm just watching TV, I'll just sit in a squat position or I'll sit in the pigeon. And it's really helped with my squat depth. But I don't know if maybe it's psychological, but every time I squat, I have this fear and I almost feel my lower back engage. When I'm squatting, it doesn't hurt. But the next day, I feel like it's almost hard to get pants on. Is it still happening? Is that still happening now through performance? Yes, it wasn't as bad during anabolic, but now that I'm running performance, I feel like the more unilateral work I do, the worse it's getting. Interesting. So hold on a second. Let's see. Have you had your scoliosis looked at recently or as an adult? Not as an adult, no. Okay, because I'd like to know if it's coming from your spine or if it's your sciatica getting pressed on by your piriformis muscle or your hip because those are two different things, right? You could have the issue could be coming from the spine and who knows what could be there if there's a bulging disc, which isn't a big deal, by the way. Most people have some kind of a bulge in their disc or it could be that you start to generate tightness in the muscles that stabilize the hip and those muscles, the piriformis in particular, will press on the sciatica. Yeah. So I would get that looked at. And then have you ever used a foam roller for the piriformis muscle? Do you know which muscle I'm talking about? Like when you sit on a lacrosse ball? Is it when you're laying on your back and you're rolling it back and forth like your lower back? It's like when you cross your leg. Great. You cross it over and you're going to roll back on it like your ankle. It's really, you could really, I mean very easily you google piriformis foam roll. And you'll see pictures on how to do it. And I think that'd be a really good idea. So for some people, so I don't know if it's coming from your spine or your hip, but if it's coming from that muscle, some people start to develop a stability pattern in their hip, which I'm leaning in this direction because you said something that points in this direction, which is that the unilateral work may be making it worse. If it was coming from the spine, then unilateral work would not make it worse. It would be the bilateral work with the heavy load that would cause more of a problem. Typically, okay, so I could be off, but that's typically what you see. Unilateral work can sometimes make sciatica worse when it's coming from the hip. And when it's patterns in muscle recruitment, where what ends up happening is because of lack of stability, the certain muscles stay kind of tensed all the time. Now, if you did a part... Overly, aggressively so. Yeah, so if you did a piriformis foam roll, you would know you'd get on that muscle and be like, oh my God, there it is. In fact, do you get a lot of relief from pigeon and similar stretches in your sciatica? I do, yes. I like the... I think it's similar. I like sitting in a chair and then doing my legs sideways and pressing down on my knee. You're basically going to do that on the foam roll, or that's who that is. But you lean on that hip of the leg. It triggers that spot. Yeah, so the leg that's up, I don't know if you could see me here, but the leg that's up, that's the side that I'm stretching, right? So then what I do is I'm sitting on a foam roll or like I'm sitting on a log. And then I lean on the side that's stretching, and then I slowly roll down until I hit the piriformis muscle. And you can look that up so you see where it's at. And you'll feel it right away. Have you done any deep tissue massage? I have, and when I have the massage in my leg area, it usually causes the tear drops. I usually cry a little bit when I have it down. I'm not crying, but... See, try doing what Sal's saying right before you do like a squat or a deadlift and see if that dramatically makes a difference. Yeah, because what it's gonna do is when you press on, like a deep tissue massage does this too, when you press on a muscle, and so what's happening here... It's just self-inflicted. When I'm sitting on, when I'm doing this cross-legged stretch, okay? I am stretching the piriformis muscle, so I'm opening it up. Then when I lean on the foam roll, I press on it. And what this does is it sends a signal to the central nervous system to relax the muscle. So this is why when you get a massage, you have a knot. They press on that knot, and then you get release, and the knot kind of goes away. It's not like there's a literal knot. It's literally the muscle is kind of tensed. The central nervous system reacts to the pressure initially by tightening up a little bit, but then it relaxes. By the way, to encourage this deep breathe while you're in that painful position because you're gonna wanna hold your breath. It's gonna be painful. And this is a practice you wanna continue, like before your workouts, and this is actually one of those situations where you need to unlock the ability for you to move and to feel like you're not, your body's not overcompensating, trying to make up for that lack of stability. So it allows you to actually do the unilateral train, do the multi-planar type movements to strengthen it. So you gotta slowly, gradually build back that strength and support system. I would do the foam roll thing that I'm saying twice a day, and I would do it before my workout. It won't take you more than five minutes. And what this will do is get the central nervous system to kind of get out of the way a little bit so that you don't revert back as easily. We call it the overbearing mother. Yes, that's great. That's great, a great analogy. So that your body doesn't revert back to these patterns where you start to cause these issues. Do you have MAPS Prime Pro or just Prime? Just Prime. Okay, also on the mobility days, I'd like for you to do the 90-90 drills that we have in Prime Pro. But only if you foam roll your performance, otherwise you'll make things worse. So you gotta do the foam rolling and then do the 90-90 drills. And that should help with stability in the hips because I think that's what's happening. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much, guys. No problem. We'll send that over to you. Thank you. You guys are amazing. I really appreciate it. You have no idea what you've done for me, especially since I'm gonna be rounding 40 soon and you guys have really changed my life with what I'm capable of now. And I really appreciate that. That's awesome. You guys are amazing. You look like a baby, by the way. Aw, thanks. Go on. You do. You do. Yes. I know how I look. Thanks, Nicole. You look great. All of you look great. Yeah. Thank you, Nicole. Thanks for lying. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys. You have a great day. All right. The sciatic, just for people listening, the sciatic pain coming from the hip is sucks. It hurts. It can last a long time. I have an almost... This is so common. I have an almost 100% success record with people when it comes from the hip. It's like such a... So much piriformis overactive. Yeah, dude. I can almost always fix it if that's where it's coming from. A big part of why I couldn't do the deeper than 90 was because of that. And once I did get all the mobility work and got to a point where I could deep, really squat really deep and comfortable, it's completely gotten rid of it. Yeah. By the way, for people watching and listening, like the discrepancy or the difference between this coming from the spine and the hip is profound. And if you don't know the difference, the application could actually make things worse. If this is not coming from her hip, then what I'm saying wouldn't really help. And the unilateral stuff would help low back stuff. But the fact that the unilateral stuff was hurting her tells me it's coming from the hip stability. So that's for the trainers out there that are watching. By the way, we have a course for trainers where you learn a lot of this stuff. So check it out. Anyway, look, if you love our show, we have a free fat loss guide, mindpumpfree.com. Learn how to burn body fat the right way with our free guide. You can also find us on social media Justin is on Instagram, Mindpump Justin. I'm on Instagram, Mindpump DeStefano. And Adam is on Instagram, Mindpump Atom.