 Hey guys, here is part three of Jayden and I's discussion about Supernatural the finale, the final season, and the fandom as a whole. Thank you guys so much for your responses to these videos. It's been really awesome to see that Jayden and I had a real great time putting these together. And on a side note, as I mentioned several times in this video as well as the last few, my video essay about the Supernatural finale will be coming out this week, so be prepared for it. It's going to be a fun time. In the meantime, enjoy our conversation. It's a real fun one. And you guys can expect that video essay coming out this week. But again, these guys have just done themselves like essentially by the end of the show, they had become well, Dean essentially was a giant caricature of what his former character was. I've put side by side audio of him in season four and then him in season 15 and he is doing the cheesiest in his voice in season 15 and I'm waiting to see when that like right now that's when he's starting to go like he's come from hell so he's brooding now. But I'm waiting to see when that voice transition fully happens because if from like you've seen you've heard you went to the con you've heard how Jared Jensen actually talks. He doesn't talk like that. Yeah, no. All of them, I think except Jared, they all like lower their voice to play the character, especially Misha. Misha totally does. I think that was part of the reason why the French connection is such a funny episode is because when he's on his phone and he's tweeting like hanging out with the guys. Yeah, it's yeah. I do admit though I what was it I watched someone who just did a kind of compilation of different things from some of the conventions and I don't know a part of me would feel slightly like at one point what did Jensen do? Jensen said he got some he spilled something on a shirt or something and he pulled up his shirt as a like a flash move to like take care of it but it was more to show it was clearly to show off his abs and when all the girls were like he just did this yeah kind of spotless like oh oh I didn't really like seeing that that was weird. Yeah, no I get that. I because that's like you have like all the fangirls who like over sexualized the characters a lot and it's just and the actors too and that's it makes it makes me think of NT and what's it of like all the the middle age housewives who would go to the new kids on the block reunion too. Yeah yeah it's like they see them like take off one layer of clothing and they're like whoa and it's like chill. Yeah it's like whoa throw some ice on you. Oh there was one too where I watched one um and I don't know they were they were re they were talking about a scene and it was Jensen and Misha and Misha or Jensen was lying on his back and Misha gets on top of him and he's slowly doing it all the while everyone's going whoo and then I can't remember what he said because he went up to him he's I think they were talking about when Misha was beating the shit out of Dean in season eight and he's like Misha's describing the scene but then all of a sudden he goes closer grabs Jared Jensen's like kind of his collar he's like ah you like that don't you son of a bitch I was like oh wow okay they are definitely playing into this they are clearly playing into this and that's kind of my reflection on how the show ended is that they were playing into those crowds they were playing into like fuck me if I if I'm wrong but I think the convention's uh receptions are what changed the show like it went from like it's a it's a like it's a bizarre thing like we're watching your videos and like that's the strangest kind of thing I've ever seen and like um just the whole thing it's like it's you get to like the the signings and the photos are that of like a normal comic con but then everything afterwards is totally well maybe then I'm on the stage and answering questions the q and a's yeah but they do a lot of honestly um I've only been the two supernatural conventions and there's actually one 20 minutes away from my apartment um in 2021 so hopefully I'll be able to go to that if uh you know COVID is um I don't know though I'm not getting my hopes up for it but I yeah well right now yeah the thing is uh it's more with creation entertainment they um they have like a lot of cool events at these conventions but they make it so astronomically expensive oh it's like there's like a pajama party for a lot of uh Brianna and uh uh look uh go jody mills uh kim rhodes kim rhodes yes I blanked for a second um but like that's a it's like 300 for like a pajama party before the con starts and like I get that they're like exclusive events but it's like you're already paying a thousand dollars for like or like 700 dollars for a silver ticket honestly like really really honestly I hate I it's not uh I'm not making the comparison but it did remind me it reminded me of well back when I when I was a teenager I worked at a trade expo uh hall in Abbotsford and we had a uh like a Christian preacher preacher guy come by um and the mannerisms of the people the the giving the money the the the over zealous work like uh celebration and worship obviously but there's like some of the clips I've seen of the supernatural things and this guy just gave me like whoa that is that is eerily close not on the knob not on not on the button but just in terms of that hundred percent like it's it's not it's not celebrating the fandom anymore it's sell it's like worshiping it yeah and like it it got me it weirded me out a little bit it gave me a little bit of like certain people at these things kind of give me like a cult vibe to be honest and it's just like I don't know if I could ever go to one of these things um personally like I worry that it's what I mean like if I went and ask them well now I don't feel so I wouldn't feel as alone to say it now considering how the season happened but I was I was terrified of the notion of going to one of these and actually giving a critical question like hey don't you guys think that the show has kind of gone downhill the last I wouldn't afraid I'd be fucking murdered uh you'd probably get booed at yeah uh because um you know a lot of the people who are willing to spend that much money to go to one of these conventions are people who are like super diehard fans and are really very critical of the show and I'm not saying I'm not speaking for everybody and I'm not saying that I'm like I I'm like ultra super die I mean yeah I kind of I definitely am like diehard fan but I try my best to be like critical from a point where it's like um fair but also like I really sometimes there's there's just some things I just can't get past like the entirety of uh episode 20 um but yeah no you're you're right though it kind of gives me cult culty vibes a little bit um and it's hard to come down from that it's definitely hard like that's why I I wonder how Jensen and Jared are going to be going forward because maybe I think Jensen is the more humble of the two um maybe I also know that he has more money than than Jensen does um that was something that I was told that he's the one I thought both of them had jets but no it's Jared it's Jared who has the jet um but it's I don't know it's a weird thing to think of just the whole idea that this is something that's it's a past thing now and to see I'm curious to see how they where they go forward with this well because they're still uh under contract with um creation entertainment they still have to do the conventions and I they they even said they didn't plan on stopping doing the conventions and oh fuck no would you if you got that much of a reaction no the the whole thing is like uh you know obviously they're probably their management wouldn't make them stop because how look about how much fucking money that brings in it's it it feels kind of exploitative because you know like I don't want to have to pay $500 for a picture with my favorite actors but oh yeah no gonna yeah because I love them no I've I've always want I thought of yeah no and I I applaud you for doing that like fuck I've I've thought about it and I just I can't I can't uh allow myself to spend that much money on something yeah uh for I actually this this was at the convention I went to um there was a video on Twitter of Jared looking at the photo op prices for um the con and he like looks slightly taken aback and it's like how do you not know the own prices of your photos but at the same time like I paid uh like the picture that's my profile picture on like everything with Jared I paid like $200 for that picture don't get me wrong it was I it was worth it um I'll be like 260 $270 here it was it was worth it oh yeah you know for a one-time thing yeah for sure yeah and like if I went to another convention I'd definitely probably get another photo op it's just uh I would probably instead of just getting the one with Jared I'd save up for the one with all three of them because I feel like that's probably worth it a little bit more oh I uh just the last few cons that have like the ones in Seattle the one in our in Vancouver I I don't like I'll go and maybe I'll walk in the line just to say hi but I unless I really really want to I don't get anything signed by anyone I don't get photos with anyone um like I have a photo of me and where is he he's in this room somewhere where is it is it down there where the fuck did it go I don't know somewhere around here um there's a I got a photo with Billy Boyd from uh Pippin and I've always felt like that was just the strangest choice so it's like there's just this photo of me and him was like I maybe said like a couple of words to him and that was it and I was like fuck that was kind of with uh with the honest like I get um a lot of times the photo ops are like kind of rushed but Jared um at least with my experience um with both the photo op and the autograph he like took the time to like talk to you and like kind of make it worth it because um during my photo op I was like a giant ball of fucking anxiety and he could tell because when I when I went to go walk away he like grabbed my arm and he was like are you okay oh that's nice Jared Padalecki himself asked me if I was okay and um the answer is no um but like with my autograph for example I got a little deep when I was talking to him because it was like my moment to be like hey you like changed my life and um you know the first thing he said to me was uh he was like I have a question for you and I'm like Jared Padalecki has a question for me and he's like what the fuck is wrong with my marker and his marker was all fucked up and I was like I don't know man and he thought that was really funny um and you know it's like um and we talked still and I was like sobbing in front of him oh yeah though honestly that's why I prefer those signing sessions are I feel a lot better because you actually get to have a conversation with them right yeah you're not allowed to record it or take pictures um and honestly I yeah some of them do kind of sucks um but with mine I got my guitar signed um yeah my guitar oh I I know you can't see me right now but in the background of this video that I'm recording my guitars in the back it's signed by Jared Jensen Amisha and I asked him can you write always keep fighting on it and the handler right next to him was like he's not allowed to write anything extra on it and literally she didn't even finish her sentence before he like already finished writing it and it's it's one of those things where it's like I know they don't probably agree with all the rules of the autographs because they want to be able to like you know give fans the experience that they're paying for and that they're hoping for it's just it's capitalism it's fucking capitalism oh no it is it is definitely very it's a really strange thing um some of these cons it depends on it's why I like going to the overall cons because you know there isn't as much favoritism towards one thing um yeah and then again like you get different experiences with different shows and whatnot yeah but I guess we'll see how it goes in terms of I just realized that we went on a really long tangent that's okay you should keep it in the video oh hell yeah no this is definitely saying this is this is definitely staying in um but I guess uh kind of going back to it um yeah I don't know in terms of uh I like essentially how you you're what did you you said uh all the things you wanted but in the worst way possible yeah everything I wanted in the worst way possible it's a good way it's a good way to describe it um yeah because it's more like um I was okay with the fact that Sam and Dean are living in heaven together for eternity I'm just not cool with how we got there um I'm honestly just gonna kind of go off of that season five has been the end and then this has just been a glorified fan fiction ever since like I'm like my plan is I think from from what I've gathered for my math I'm going to be finishing season five by October or November and I plan very this is a very stupid story but when season six premiered I was in I was in the I was in Washington state uh on the on the west on the left side not like the capital I was in like where Seattle and whatnot is I was on the the peninsula the Olympic Peninsula it's apparently it's where the fucking twilight books take place I was there watching the season premiere episode of season six and I remember being so infuriated with how bad the audio was but the I made a long distance phone call to the production to the the uh what's it the channel check tv it's like for Victoria tv I was like get your goddamn audio sorted because the first half of episodes of the first episode of season six was uh not synced it was off and it was jarring for the first 20 minutes it like the audio was off and they didn't fix it until the latter uh until in the middle of the episode but I just associate season six with this place because it was a it was a shitty trip with my family it just sucked it was like it's a boring place it's not that interesting at least for me and I plan to go back there to film to do my first review of episode six and I don't know it it it turns back it basically my whole long tangent of this is it comes back to that supernatural has has significant meaning in my life it's I can remember where I watched fucking episodes of it I can remember moments of it I I my life my first five years of the show kind of formed to like what I wore what I talked about what my interests were even though the show does end on a note that is honestly very underwhelming for a lot of people it's had its effect on me and it's had its effect obviously on a lot of other people and I'm not going to take that part away like yeah the show kind of turned to garbage at the end but there are like I've been going on a bit of a nostalgia train and I think I haven't been able to come out of it since the episode since the episode aired but there's a lot no it was a part of my life it literally half of my life and going forward like technically speaking when September comes around October September comes around of this year it's going to be really weird not knowing that Supernatural is coming back yeah because you know I personally I've been watching Supernatural for since season like I've been watching it live since season 10 but I binge watched season like one through nine on Netflix um so it's only been about five years that I've been watching granted I was you know like three when Supernatural first came on the air in 2005 right uh yeah so two two three four I was four um or wait I can't count hold on how's it go I was born 2002 so three four five no I was three I was correct yeah no I I just turned 18 a few months ago so I kind of grew up with the show a little bit just because I started watching it when I was like in middle school um when it was like the Super Hulak days where you had like Doctor Who and Supernatural and Sherlock all on Tumblr those were like the three main fandoms that like took over the internet yeah it's it's a piece of media that's gonna have a long lasting effect in terms of yeah and just like shit like I don't know uh there's certain things that well I guess we'll move on from but it's it's gonna be weird mainly because I have a connection with the show because of my dad and I he that was we started watching this show and I even got him to watch uh after the episode it aired I went over um and I watched the final episode and oh man he was if you think that I've been brutal he was really fucking brutal my dad was brutal about it I forced my dad to watch Supernatural and he was like what the fuck was that yeah my dad was just like well this is rubbish uh he was um yeah but it was cool because it was something that we connected on and that was yeah that's what I'm gonna take like I'm gonna take while the the show ended badly I'm gonna hold on and take those good memories I have of it with me yeah I'm I'm just gonna like I'm gonna do that too but I'm also gonna like re-watch it and cry about the way it ended just because I'll never be over that well I'm interested I'm interested to see how I haven't re-watched season seven I haven't finished all of season six I like since I watched it eight nine and ten haven't re-watched any of those fuck I might even try and re-watch season 11 and see if it's still as good as I think it was but I'm never re-watching the entirety of the last four seasons again I will I will watch a few episodes here and there like for particularly I really want to re-watch regarding Dean from season 12 because that was the last good episode I feel that the show ever produced um but and I think that's because it really stuck to me because I have a history with Alzheimer's in my family um but yeah I don't eh um I I will never really re-watch this show again I have like a little bit of emotional attachment to Supernatural just because it's been like my comfort show um for a long time so like I uh I know I'm gonna end up I haven't re-watched it since the finale just because I feel like um I don't think the finale ruins the show that's kind of like what I was gonna say but I don't think it does it's it's more like the finale kind of just like watching it from the beginning and knowing how it ends now kind of makes it feel a little like fuck because like I said before like um the ending is exactly you could it just kind of like negated 15 seasons of character development for these characters and like um yeah so like when I do end up re-watching it I'm probably just gonna like cut it off on episode 19 and be like that's it that's Dean to Supernatural episode 20 I don't know her yeah it's yeah people are gonna take it differently right um yeah I know everyone has like different opinions about the finale there's some people that like love it there's some people that like absolutely despise it there's some people who are in the middle which I I'm I'm I am kind of roasting it a little bit but I did enjoy the episode um besides the fact that deed got killed by a fucking screw and that I had to see Jared and Jensen be all sappy and stuff and that that was like I honestly think that scene of them like that kind of just like carried that whole episode um that was like the one scene that actually stuck with me through this episode you know what I mean oh that that's essentially the main well because it's like 10 fucking minutes long yeah it oh yeah now I yeah like I like I said I have that video essay coming soon and it will kind of give my thoughts on what it what the episode did good what it did bad and what it could have done better as well as I I dare say I dip into fan fiction territory and I actually give my own idea of how this show could have ended which I have never done so it's not going to be it's never it's not going to be perfect I'll admit that it's got its own issues but it's something I think a little bit better maybe probably anything better than and your dad well really I'll I'll I take what he gave and I kind of twist it to the only one of the things that I said that should have been done is don't make Sam's life a fucking montage you could kind of make it a montage but do it not just like literally like a minute of his development actually show how he moved on yeah hell I even say that he could he should have gotten his law degree yeah fucking go all the way back to season one or I honestly like I think it was kind of implied with um having you know Dean jr have the anti possession symbol that Sam continued hunting um and like we didn't see any of that and I would like to see that um which I think it was just like Sam has a kid or it was more like Sam's really sad but Sam now has a kid also wasn't his also wasn't his kid like at the baby it was blonde but then his older son had dark brown hair yeah fuck I just noticed that they explicitly had to put Dean on the overalls to make it very very clear that Sam named his oh yeah that oh no it was like you don't don't end the show on a goddamn montage like if yeah like if you want like that that essentially it was a kind of a different example of how how I met your mother and instead of like you wasted an entire season on something that didn't fucking matter and then you try to wrap up your entire show in one episode yeah that ending should have been um I honestly think that like the the plot with a god should have been taking care of like that's like episode maybe 17 or 18 so that episodes 19 and 20 could be used to actually give Sam and Dean a proper ending one episode one 40 minute episode for 15 years it just doesn't feel right you know especially when the episode right before was just they just defeated god it's like yeah we got to see like Sam and Dean will be all like domestic and uh well even sat they even then yeah um there's just like so many other things that could have like shown us oh exactly had they actually planned this out and not left it up to one episode because I feel like honestly one episode is just not enough time to send Sam and Dean off with a proper ending and I I know people are probably gonna still like disagree with me on this and not everyone will but like I just honestly don't feel like that was like Sam and Dean I just I maybe I'm in denial but I just I don't feel like that was like an ending for them I just feel like oh that will learn heaven yeah I just don't want to like I can't like accept it oh yeah no I guess it's a divisive ending right it's not it's not a very good ending but yeah but actually I hate to say it but I actually I gotta go because I gotta go to Washington I've drank all my coffee um but I guess all right but thank you Jade for this um this was fun to do it was actually like I like how our our conversation went on a tangent but it went in a good way yeah I go on tangents all the time so I'm glad I'm glad we had that no me too um and then oh so I guess we should lay this little tidbit we we will do um the part three of the fan question stuff in the future for those of you who kind of wondering when we were going to do part three uh we will be doing that but obviously like with how the year went things are um it just it couldn't be done and but we'll try I guess yeah if you're up for that we'll finish that sometime yeah I'm down for it yeah yeah but anyways guys thank you for watching this has been a very long discussion but hopefully a very entertaining one for y'all and I guess as before Jade thank you for doing this this was really fun to do no problem and thank you for having me and for tolerating me no problem no problem all right guys I guess we'll uh we'll see you guys later goodbye thanks for watching the video my name is Nits and you might remember me from the animated cult classic tv show undergrads it's been a while but I'm happy to say the click is finally getting back together in an all-new movie thanks to a successful Kickstarter campaign but we are still asking for your support to see any and all updates about the upcoming undergrads movie be sure to check out and like the bring back undergrads facebook page and with any luck we'll see you guys soon