 the next level. Let me ask, how many in here have the experience of growing up or living with steps on the front of their house, a stoop or a porch by a show of hands? Okay. If I were to ask where your first kiss was, if I were to ask where you sat when you were frustrated, angry, mad with your mom, where you thought. Porches we all know was the social portion of the house that you didn't have to have people in, but they could still be there. What we've done, and I can see people shaking their heads, and that's a nice thing, because the porch goes back in this country to slaves coming from Africa. They were the first ones historically to build porches. We had the author of the American porch with us on Saturday when we first launched the porch, and he had done the research and validated that. The porch went away when we got air conditioning, suburbs, and cars, but it's coming back, and the reasons that it's coming back are directly related to desire for community. I'm originally from Philadelphia, and I can tell you that the first time I ever heard of anyone having a babysitter was when I left Philadelphia, and no longer was a part of my extended family where I could just be left or your children could be left with other relatives. We were in a multi-generational household. What we've done here, we have the porch. The porch is fabulous. Anyone that was at the art exhibit could see it. If anyone would like, I'm not going to lecture the whole time, I promise, but anyone that saw the porch, would you like to take a few words to describe what you saw, what you thought? If anyone that is here saw it, no one was here? Okay, well, first of all, on the front of your porch you always had steps, or you usually had steps. She would be too young to sit on the porch. She'd have to sit on the steps. The old people, the wise ones sat on the porch. There was probably a dog under the porch. They were not allowed in houses. There was a dog, and you had just a couple of things. We're trying with this set to actually replicate so that as we're talking, and as you're visualizing what we've done, you can see the porch. Why even was it important, we felt, from a particular focus of creative aging, to come up with the idea of a porch? Come on in. Where are you doing fine? Sure. Well, for the last 10 years, Double Nichols has collected true stories of seniors to celebrate them while they could still hear their applause. And our focus on celebrating seniors were those individuals who had done wonderful things in their lives, but they may not have had a reputation. They may have just reared eight children. They all went off to school somewhere, and no one ever knew them. And they aged in place. And when they aged in place, they looked out windows. They got a little too old to be going out too late at night, so they stayed home. Transportation wasn't necessarily that available to them, but they were there. And all of us busy ones, younger ones, were busy creating lives and making lives, and didn't have a whole lot of time to spend with them. Their stories didn't get told. Well, I was at Washington, well, it was a GW hospital, and for some reason it hit me like a ton of bricks as I looked all around that area. There were food trucks, there were t-shirt trucks, there were candy trucks, there were ice cream trucks, anything in the world. And I was buying bubble tea, and I said to the vendor, my gosh, you can buy anything out here you want. This is a mall. And he said, well, we just take it to where the people are. What do you think happened next? I said, I'm going to build a porch, and I'm going to take that porch to where those people are. Well, people laughed. They thought maybe that was funny or whatever. But when we built that porch, I wish you could hear the responses, beginning with the seniors themselves, the people who want to talk. We collect the stories. We spent seven or eight years contractually with the Armed Forces Retirement Home. That's the most wonderful stories of World War II veterans. We have all sorts of stories. Now what we can do is take that porch to the people that can't come to us. And that's the exciting part, because they truly want to be there. Now in addition to that, how many of you are from urban areas or relatively new to urban areas? How many are you in cities that are gentrifying? How many of you hear gentrification as sometimes a negative word? Okay. Well, that's the other part that we don't try to make statements, but we try to recognize that if you don't know who you're talking to, you're not going to want to talk to them. The porch is a neutral place, and we all professionally understand that if you have a neutral place, you can really talk easier, better, clear. Come on up here and have seats, any of you. There are four seats up here, any of you that would like to sit down. Well, the porch serves another purpose, particularly in a city like Washington, D.C., which is highly gentrifying. You can bring that porch into a neighborhood where the people have lived there for 45 and 50 years, and they know where the food will grow well, they know what place you don't want to go to because it doesn't do anything right. They also know what is the history of that neighborhood from three four generations. No one ever asked them. No one ever asked them. And the new people coming in, they don't know these people and they have all these ideas and they want to lay them out there. What happens? They think that the ones that are there don't know anything, and the ones that are there don't like them coming in, changing everything. What the porch allows is for us to go in to a neighborhood and rock and sit and invite someone who's been there 40 years to come and tell us what it was like when. And it's not just that simple, but they love to talk about their, they're proud of where they are. It's not about the poverty or anything else, it's about their pride of place, their culture. And it's easy that way for someone who's new to listen, because they're not intruding, they're not taking away, they are adding to. And if you listen and you add to a person, you are more inclined to give to them as well. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure that out nor a PhD, neither of which. It's common sense, it's when we didn't wait, we didn't schedule phone calls. You know, it was talking, it was conversing. That's what the porch is allowing us to do and to collect the stories. We also video the stories, creating digital library with the stories. So there's a history because they're gone in smoke if all you do is chat about them. Now, while we're sitting in this room, and I thank you for your attention, I want you to also know that we're being live streamed from Emerson College in Massachusetts. And we're going around the world with this session here. We may get questions to come in from some place and we'll answer them. You are welcome to ask questions or to add to the conversation. And at this point, what I'd like to do is just try and give you a sense of why and who are these ladies that are sitting here so beautifully allowing me to just chatter on. On my far left, I have my mentor, one of my mentors, this beautiful lady in green. I'll let her tell you herself who she is. I don't have to talk for her. That's the first thing we have to learn people and talk for themselves. They know who they are. And why don't we do that? Please introduce yourself as broadly as you can because if you leave anything out, I'm going to tell it. Well, before I introduce myself, I would like to acknowledge someone in the audience. And I know she has a lot of poor stories. And that's Dr. Sandra Crue, who is the dean of the School of Social Work at Howard University. And I'm Bernice Catherine Hopper and I come from a family of 12 in the foothills of Virginia. So with 12 people, you know we had a lot going on in the family. On the porch. On the porch. And I remember one time on the porch that I was waiting for the postman to arrive. I had saved my money and it ordered some maple syrup candy from Vermont, Virginia. I couldn't wait for the postman to come. And when he arrived, I got my package and I was planning to just enjoy my candy because I had worked for the money and I needed to have an opportunity to enjoy my candy. Mama came out and said we had to share it with everybody. So I just really got a taste of the candy. But the porch served as a place of socialization for us. And it was a wonderful experience as I think back over the porch situation. And we had concord grapes behind our porch. And you know at this time of the year, it's when the concord grapes become blue and everything. So we also used to use our opportunities to eat the grapes. So our porch was not only a place for socialization, it was a place where you ate and you played and you talked and you shared. And what Dr. Harper did not tell you is that Dr. Bernice Harper is 94 years young. And the significance of that for us is with pride, the degree of health, the vitality, the name of this is creative aging. You age well when you do well, I think. And I only say that, I say that with pride, she looks at me every time I say it. But I'm proud of it because she also takes the Metro every day and goes and runs a foundation that she started. So you take all that and you put it together and you say, how, how come why? She's not sitting at home next to me. And also, beside Dr. Harper is a totally, these ladies represent for me something that my grandmother used to always say. And that was always have friends 10 years younger and 10 years older. And I used to wonder, why would I want to run around with a five-year-old? She would say, there'll only be five for a year, just keep doing it. And with time, that spreads. And I want to introduce you to the other side of me who I call my mini-me. Introduce yourself and talk a bit. Okay. Well, my name is Robin Campbell and I am the five-year-old here. Whereas I am an import just like she was saying, I am not, I am new to the city and new kind of part of the gentrification, if you would say. I'm originally from Portsmouth, Virginia. So the Hampton Road area. So when I think about porches being introspective, how my family developed and how I came to know and stories I share with Ms. Tony is I was raised by a single father. So it was three girls and a single father. And I like to say we were the originals, daddy's little girls. And just our journey from staying with my grandmother who often had, who had a porch at our family home and moving when my dad got remarried to when we didn't have a porch and now living in our own family home and just seeing the changes in the stories that come from that porch. And one of the stories I can think about is that when we were in that transition it was about 10 of us in one house and like she was saying you, but you had that multi-generational thing where my dad was working from three to three every day and my gramps would be running errands. And the rule was if no one is home, you can't be outside, not even on the porch. So that year somehow we all got scooters for Christmas. And again the rule was, you know, don't be outside if no one is at home. So the three musketeers was like, well if they don't see us outside then how will they know that we're outside? So what started as taking those scooters and only scooting around the porch went from down from the porch to the sidewalk to up and down the driveway. So in 30 minutes we were up and down the street. So we're just scooting our lives away. And then we see that white Cadillac coming down the street. And we all immediately look at each other and try to scoop that safety so that, you know, we couldn't be seen. But I don't even remember which one of us was, but we weren't supposed to be out there. I wanted to have tripped over the porch. She came up and we got tipped to bed without dinner that night. But that's just one of the stories you even think of or even now how I go back to visit my grandmother just how when I leave her home and I tell her goodbye it never ends, you know, with me just leaving out the house. She comes out and stands on that porch and watches me until I am no longer in sight. So it just reminds me of family. And I'm so glad to know Miss Tony and be a part of this project. Well, thank you. I'll tell you one briefly because I laugh anyone that has spent any time with me would probably say that they understand how this would be a true story. My mother was quite, quite young. And in fact, it was really probably my grandmother that reared both me and my mom. Well, we did all live together. And at about five years old, my mother brought home because I was getting ready to go to school, I think, brought home a hat. It was ugly green felt with what I call the turkey feather flaps on the ears and this thing that pushed up under your chin and it turned up like that. She plopped that on my head, scooted it up and said, Oh, you look so cute. I looked in the mirror and thought she had lost her mind. Well, what do you do when your mother does that? You keep it on. Well, I went off to school and the little kids down the street were taking me to school. As soon as I got around the corner, I snatched that thing off my head and I wouldn't wear it. But when I came home, I had to put it back on. But what I did, I scrunched it up. I just beat it up, broke down that feather, stuffed it in the closet and thought that that would be a way of not having to wear it again. Well, my mother, she recognized what I had done. She said, you're going to wear it just like it is. I put that on my head while being young and also being somewhat spoiled. I cried. I don't want to wear it. And we're arguing. We're arguing. And my grandmother comes, What in the world is going on? She's going to make me wear that. And my mother, I bought that hat for school. My grandmother always the diplomat. Now, Rosemary, that's my mother. Rosemary, did you ask Tony if she liked the hat? Well, I don't have to ask her if she liked it. I bought it. Well, she might have an opinion. Oh, my God, I had a new word. I said, I have an opinion. I don't like it. Well, I don't remember if it was that day that I no longer had to wear that ugly hat. But what I do remember was that from then on, I had an opinion. And I think that it's not so much a porch story, but it's a multi-generational story that comes off the porch. I can see so many heads shaking. I know somebody's not peas on the porch. Somebody else had that light go out because they got home too late and they had to go in with the light out. Tell me, share with us some of the stories, because this to me is a session where we want to encourage people, particularly if we're all fortunate, we're all going to age far longer than we are today. And as we age, we creatively will call on all the experiences that we've had through life to help us manage that process. And when we do that, it won't be because someone has designed the perfect way to age. It will be because you came up with an opinion of what it meant for you to age for you. And we are usually the last ones that are asked, people design programs and projects, etc. And this is what the seniors need. And this is what the agents need. That ain't so. So we know what we need. We ought to be the first ones asked for our opinion. So what I'm asking is, share with us or we can continue to share with you your opinions about the porch, the project, how you see it, what you think of what we're saying, what else you want to know about what and how we do, because we create programs. That is, we take these two stories and then we create productions. And we've performed at the Kennedy Center, Wally Mammoth Theater, the Atlas Theater. We've done that. And this coming out on the porch, we're going to do the same thing, obviously, with fewer people. Please, sir. Well, I think this is so timely because when the museum opened this weekend and I had gone by it and I saw this big overhang thing, I said, well, that looks like a porch. I just thought of it to myself. And then when Obama was on television and I said, it really looks like a porch. And I didn't know that there was a special African American significance. To the, I just thought everybody has a porch. I had a porch growing up. Everybody had a porch. But someone told me, and maybe you can speak to this, that is actually an African concept. That porch is, oh, she said no. And I didn't know that because they needed to cool themselves and they needed the shade and they needed an outside place of family community. I just think this is excitingly wonderful. Well, thank you so much. Slide over more to the center stage. They can't see me. Okay. Well, is that better? Okay. Thank you. You're absolutely on target because Michael, his name is Michael Dolan, is the author of the book, The American Porch. And his research carried out that there was no word in European languages for porch. There were Atria, there were Veranda, et cetera, but no porch. And when the slaves came here, you know who built their houses. So they built them the same way they built them in Africa. And they built the porch on the front of the house because animals and everything else were behind the house. And this was an extension of their living area. It was the external part of the house. And as the country grew and the relationships metastasized, who built the houses? Who put the porches on the houses? When you get to places like our oldest cities, Philadelphia and other places, and they were built, they were built row houses and you had the five steps up with the vestibule. And that's where you played jacks or stone jacks or dumb school. Anybody know dumb school? Good. Okay. No one here played dumb school. Well, these were the types of games and these were the things you did. It was the socialization place. Let me digress just a second and say that recently, I went to Baltimore to visit a friend who had moved into one of the areas of Baltimore that's really going through changes and they had taken their row house and put this beautiful plan outside and a little fence around it and it was all blocked off. I said, well, it looks kind of nice, but why did you do that? I am tired of my neighbors coming over here and sitting on my steps and I laughed because I said, the sun changes in the afternoon and that's what neighbors do. They cross the street to sit on your steps when the sun goes down and in the morning, it's the other way. That's how we got to know each other. So those are the types of things when you go into neighborhoods, if you don't ask and you don't know to ask, we never know and we lose so much and it could be such a positive way to get to know your neighbors. Please add, you're beautiful, but you know, I just let me talk and I love that, but go right ahead. Again, I was talking about how I had a unique perspective where when I was small and my parents were still together, we grew up in a nice house with a big porch. So we did. We played with the kids and I think we were having a conversation when the porch opened about how, you know, I mean, I'm not that old, but when I was young, I wasn't, you know, we played video games, but we also played outside as well. You know, we went over to our neighbor's house and played with our friends until it was the lights came on. You had to be on the porch and even then you still didn't want to leave your friends because you were playing on the porch until it was time for bed or school, homework or whatever and just, you know, go again for my transition to moving in with my grandmother and 10 people in one home and one bathroom, but we also had a porch and just doing things out there and then transition to apartment we stayed in when my dad got remarried and having no porch, but still having that community and keeping with each other and then into the home we live in now having a porch and just having people over and remaining in that family, you know, that sense of family and that village it takes. And I just, you know, again, I speak to being a part of this project where again, I'm young, I'm 25 years young and how I met Miss Tony and how I stay in, you know, connection with her. It's an intergenerational, it just speaks to, you know, the intergenerational conversation. I was invited with a friend, a guy friend, to her home for a party that she has every year. It's a New Year's party, but not it's on, what is it Miss Tony? It's December 30th. December 30th. So it's a New Year's Eve, Eve party. And so I go with my friend. It's me, two of us, my guy friend and a girlfriend. And we go there and, you know, we had to work the next day. So he's like, are y'all ready to go? I have to wake up early this and that. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. So we go and sit on the couch waiting for him because he's ready to leave supposedly, but he goes and makes his rounds and he's talking and he has is just sitting there waiting. And so Miss Tony comes by and probably sees the annoyance on our face and says, why everyone in my party is supposed to be happy? What are y'all doing sitting here? What's going on? So we explained to her and before we can even finish, she's off to swoop him up and bring him over and says, you never, you don't, you don't keep women waiting. And no sooner than he said that, me and my friends are looking at each other like, and then look at him on the look on his face just because he's heard that many times before. But just even how that instance, we all gathered into the front living room and started having that intergenerational conversation and just about, you know, expecting things from men and women, how we interact with each other now as a millennial. And if there are any other millennials in the room, just speaking to how it is dating now versus how it was dating then. And just, you know, I began again, I'm very proud of it, but I started again talking about, you know, what I was raised by a single father and he raised three girls and I expect this from men. And you know, she stopped me missing and was like, I don't know who you are, but you're going to be all right. And just from that conversation of intergenerational friendship growing. So now it's like, when she asked me to do something, I know to say, there is no no, I just say yes, because I know there's more benefit for me in learning, knowing that I can draw so much from having now a 94 year old friend. Like what do I have to lose as a young person and holding on to that when God forbid they are no longer here, I keep that. And it is my, you know, obligation to make sure the community still have what they left behind. So you know, another, yes. Another important aspect of the porch is when there's a funeral. There are people gathered on that porch and I'm going to share with you what happened when my sister Ruth died and her son came from California and he said to me Aunt Bernice, I'm supposed to be brave. And I said, I know. He said, I'm not supposed to cry. And I said, yes, you, you are. If God didn't want you to cry, he would not have given you tears. So just put your head on my shoulder and cry as much as you want to. But the other thing was that he had tried to get my older sister to let him sing at the funeral. And she said, no, you're not going to sing. Nobody wants you to sing. And nobody asked you to sing. So he went to the minister and told the minister he had written this poem for his mother and that he wanted to sing. And the minister said, okay, you can sing. But Verger didn't know anything about this conspiracy behind her back. So we all gathered on the porch and left and went to the church and we went down to the first Baptist church and we were all on the sidewalk ready to go in and people are sitting on that porch seeing this funeral procession come by. So then the director of the funeral home came out and gave off the programs and happy, we called him happy. Happy's name was nowhere on the program. And he had a stroke practically. And he said, if I can't sing, there's not going to be a funeral. It's my mama. So I'm looking on seeing how my family members are going to deal with this. I'm supposed to be the expert from out of town. But if you're from out of town, you don't have anything to say. Because you haven't been there and you don't know anything about this. And you went off and got yourself educated and you're not going to be able to tell the family anything. So then the time is coming for the funeral to start. And the funeral director went in and told Reverend Robinson that it's not going to be in the funeral because happy says it's not going to be any unless he can sing. So he came out of the church in his long white robe and came out on the sidewalk. And there was no saying or saying. Verger was firm, no singing. Happy was firm, that was going to be singing. So the minister said, well, let's just go in the church and bury Mrs. Roof right white. And so Verger was all tensing everything and looking angry and hostile and she expected you to go to a funeral or wedding, wear a hat, be seen and not heard. So anyway, just before the eulogy, the minister said, happy, come up and sing and play. I thought Verger was going to die right there in the church. So he went up and sang his heart out to his mother and Verger just gradually relaxed. And she said, I don't know why they let him sing, I just listen. And the family stories, they resonate after a fact. And there's always humor. That's the other wonderful thing about stories. I'll share one along the same line. And my family, I'm originally from Philadelphia. And in fact, I didn't know I had relatives anywhere else outside of Philadelphia. We'd been there so long. And I grew up knowing back to my great grandparents on both sides and great, great grandparents on one side. So when there was a funeral in Philadelphia of anyone named Mathis, or if not just a funeral, if you knew anyone named Mathis, we were taught, don't date them. Don't worry about anything. You're probably related to them, regardless of how it comes about. So that meant that when we live forever, it seemed like all these elders dying, thank God, no children or whatever. But anyway, one of the things that I recall was there was someone in our family, a great aunt, a great great aunt died. And one of my favorite aunts, that is she's only about four or five years older than me, we're hanging out together. And we said, oh, I think we were going on a date of trying to go out or something. We got to go to so-and-so's funeral. When you come from a big family, you don't always, you aren't always respectful. Well, let's go on and do that so we can get on out of here. Well, in Philadelphia Baker's Funeral Home, they had about five or six different layout rooms in the same place. Auntie Jay and I, we go. We go into the layout room and we put on the appropriate face and we sit there and we listen. And they say, if one final viewing, would you take your turn and come around? We get up. You know the end of the story I can tell. We go up, we look in the casket, we look at each other, we end the wrong funeral. True story, we're in the wrong place. And so-and-so was in another place. But these are the things that families remember. They shape who and what and how you are and how you respond to things. And they're wonderful ways of connecting with other people in many respects because it's real, it's relaxed. Please. Thank you, Dr. Harper, particularly for your work with grief and loss. I appreciate that. I'll share a story about my mother and the porch. My mother has Alzheimer's and during the early stages of her Alzheimer's when we tried to have a caregiver come in and to assist her. Mother in the middle of the winter put the caregiver out and the caregiver calls me and she's calling me from the porch saying that your mother put me out, told me I needed to go home and clean my own house. So I called my mother and I said, Mom, the caregiver told me that you put her outside. She said, I did no such thing. I put her on the porch so that her people could drive by and see her and take her home. So that was a value of the porch. She didn't see it as outside. And so the porch was sort of an extension of the home. But also in her mind is that she had not done that horrible thing. I was accusing her. She had placed her in a safe place on the porch so she could be seen. Please let me share. If you want to share other stories, please go right ahead. I just have a question. I'm from Orlando, Florida, a very urban area and we're a very large community arts organization and of course diversity and inclusiveness and all of that is extremely important to us. And I love this idea. I missed the first few minutes maybe you covered. I love this idea because it does create a safe place for people that walk from different backgrounds to almost be forced in a safe way to sit together and get to know each other. So now you're talking age here but in looking at diversity especially in a place like D.C. sexual orientation. Absolutely. Have you been able to be intentional about that in this project? We are intentional particularly with the focus on gentrification because when we say gentrification we're usually talking about people of a different culture, not necessarily one that we know. People of a different culture moving into an area that has been populated for generations by another culture and those two cultures. Let's face it, when we think of different people we don't necessarily know them. We may know one or two but that doesn't mean you know them. If they're going to be your neighbors for real it's an investment and that investment is worth the time. And it also allowed this digression for a moment up on 14th and P. or 14th and church there's a woman a friend of mine who said that she has been living there for like five or six years and she just happens to be the type of person that engages people. She said there's an elderly gentleman he's African-American that he told her one day you know you're the first and only new person that ever takes time to talk to me and I like it. So more of those and I mean we don't have to have a sweeping government program because most things are what you start and what you do yourself. Yes sir. So when you take this and you go into a neighborhood and you talk about being intentional about it and trying to bridge that gap how long do you stay in the neighborhood? Is it is it over a course of days or a month or what? Talk a little bit more about that. Sure we have about five minutes they're telling me but I'm going to go until they make me stop okay. Thank you. We don't have a set time that is we don't say we'll have a day or three days or whatever but for example not with the porch we will do the same thing with the porch but the porch is new this is a new effort for us at the armed forces retirement home we form relationships with places not just individuals and at the armed forces retirement home we went there every Saturday for seven years I got tired of going and when I say I got tired of going it wasn't the stories or anything but I said you guys love this so much you can do it and we taught them how to do it and what happens is you become a part of their culture their home and therefore it's not about the time it's about the listening and if you show you're willing to share yourself or some of yourself it becomes much easier to get people to engage I'll give you one final example and that is one of the reasons I started at the armed forces retirement home so many years ago was that my own father who was 33 years military he lived with me for about 10 years and he said told me one day to listen I think you better move me into the home the armed forces retirement home while I'm still sane these are his words what are you talking about well you know when I get old now at this point he's about 83 when I get old I don't want you flipping me and I know you don't want to flip me and I have to be well to go in there I was a little bit crushed but the man was so I mean it was so made so much sense well we go he gets a place and daddy's girl I go to see him about every other day and one day he when I get up there he takes me to lunch and he says listen you know don't have to come so often you know the ladies up here they don't know who you are and they you know my father was quite active so so my feelings were hurt but I knew darn well I was not going to not see my dad so I went to the librarian to volunteer and I brought double nickels up there to collect stories of veterans and some of the things that I learned were absolutely incredible one for me was it just made chills go up and down my spine we're talking to these guys and they started talking about the Red Bull Express well I remembered a movie with Jeff Chandler the Red Bull Express but what I found out was that a grandfather that I had that had been killed in the war by being run over by a truck and I always thought who goes the war and gets hit by a car you know the Red Bull Express traveled only about 40 or 50 days but it was primarily in fact totally black soldiers and they fixed that car those trucks on the move in the dark without light and my grandfather was one of those as was my father and I never knew that I never knew any so you pick up pieces of history respect for people you didn't know things that were never told to you because let's face it our family still hide things from us too but am I I have to go off now this is this is exciting you can see we don't really give up easily or anything I want to tell you how much I really appreciate your attention your patience and if there's anything else that you need to ask to suggest we probably have back there on the table information or place where you can do a survey anything please robin dr. harper anything you want to add before we have to bring this to us not a club well we just have to close this time because we're here locally and we want to see and hear from you and maybe work with you too I would like to comment this is a very interesting diverse group you can see it from sitting up here and it's so important that diversity continue to move forward as we talk about racism spirituality and those kinds of issues and this is a wonderful example and a wonderful audience thank you all very much too robin oh no I just wanted to thank you all for coming out and I'm glad to see a lot of younger people as well so you know we are the future but at the same time like I said we have so much to pull from them before that we have obligation to carry forward so I hope to continue to do that thank you for coming and I'm just doing what I love to do and thank you for listening okay thank you thank you thank you I didn't get over you but you guessed it