 So good evening, everyone. My name is Angela Mills and I work for the town manager's office. This is a meeting of the town of Amherst public art commission. And at this time, I would like to recognize the chair, Terry Holt, take it away, Terry. All right, thank you, Angela. Okay, welcome. This is Amherst public art is our October meeting 2023. Today is October, October 5 2023. I'm going to read my thing. In light of the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, then Governor Baker issued an emergency order on March 12 2020, allowing public bodies greater flexibility and utilizing technology in the conduct of meetings under the open meeting law. I'm going to chapter 20 of the access 2021 this meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so by clicking the zoom link. This recording gets uploaded to the town's YouTube channel promptly after the meeting. No in-person attendance by members of the public's permitted, but every effort is made to ensure that the public and adequately access proceedings in real time via technological means. And in the event they are unable to do so, or regardless, we will post this on the town's YouTube channel shortly after the meeting. Okay, so roll call we've got Robert is here, Deris here, Thomas here and James is here, Jim, sorry, and I am here and Lori should be along. So she said she would be here and then probably have to get out at 730 so give her a couple more minutes to get online here. Hi everyone's good to see your faces. There but I got the agenda. No, actually, I don't have it. Oh, you do look in your email and look for Angela Mills she's she sent one to you it's probably in your. Okay, I'll find it. Sam Bach or something. I've been having such trouble with my email. Now whenever I can find it I just search for Angela Mills and it's always right there. I don't believe what's happening in mind is some of it goes to my cell phone sometimes it doesn't go to my computer where I need it. Oh dear, Lori welcome. This Lori. Here we are. Hi Lori welcome. Hi. I never I never got that email. Okay, I share my desktop so we can take a look at the agenda and the minutes together. I'm aware you've got to get out at 730 so we'll try to get as much as we can get done while you're here. Thank you for coming with us. I'm going to share my screen and see how this works. Okay, can you see my screen. Okay, all right, our agenda call to order we did roll call we did inviting public comment there is no one in the waiting room so we're going to right ahead. Our first order of business is to approve this September minutes did you all get a copy of the minutes. Yes. Okay, if you took a look at them I've got them up here in case anybody wants to look it over. I did not get to look at it so I'm going to just kind of breeze through here. I made two corrections based on things that people sent me their minor. Okay, everybody treasures report, you have 18428 is the March balance. That's not right is it should be it was 4,000. Okay, there should be a four at the beginning of that number was the problem with it. I'm not sure the report amount is wrong. What is the correct amount so I can change it. 4,18428. 4,18428. Yeah, everything's the same just out of four at the beginning of the, oh, that's the four off. I've been thinking of a tax return. Right. And see anything else we see here. Everything else looks good to me. Anybody else have any changes. Anybody like to make a motion to approve these minutes with the change that Jim is about to incorporate to make the treasures report reflect 4184.28 in the account. So moved. Thank you Tom have a second here. All in favor please say aye. Great motion passes we are now approved. Proved minutes for September and moving on. Chair report. Let's see I've got it written up here. Okay. I have no word about the come. Come out who's going to do the work on the poetic dialogue statue I still haven't heard from him. I'm going to try, I might go to his place of business and see if I can get his attention so I'll let you know how that goes. I'm going to go back to the committee. Dominique has sought legal counsel provided by the mass cultural councils look over the contract. She's asked for a couple of changes I met with Paul today in a meeting to go over those changes and we're happy to accommodate them. There's one change that Paul is going to check him with the town's lawyer to make sure it's okay. And then we'll have the changes go back over to Dominique and make sure it's all good and then we'll hopefully be moving forward. I will let you know when that is finalized so that we can set a date for a celebration of some kind. It is a collaborative process to work on this contract. Go ahead Robert. I'm wondering, do you know, did the payment timing. Did that get adjusted based on what the controller said that we could we could make progress payments. We can make progress payments. It's good to find out there still needs to be an invoice so there will be an invoice for that progress so we said we could pay $400 for upon completion of 50% of the project. And then the rest upon installment, we would need an invoices for both. So, yeah, I found it would be fine. Dominique is having taking some issue with the, the language of the contract using the words. So, I think the problem she was having mostly was that that requirement to have an invoice. She didn't realize that this was being that she does she thinks she's being treated like a contractor instead of an artist. And I, I talked to Paul about and he said it doesn't really matter what we call it if we call it an award a prize. So regardless you we have to have an invoice of some kind to pay that is the apparatus of town hall. It's that is the way it is we don't we can't change that so we need an invoice to pay. So I'm going to be talking to Dominique about that and see if we can just get that all figured out so let's call it something else she said seems to she just a light word invoice quite on a rarity. Well, regardless we need an invoice. Any other questions? Because it seems like we're getting hung up with with language and perhaps one way to accommodate that is, if we have, if we have a signed agreement, and the agreement specifies the, the payment arrangement in other words if if the final agreement is that $400 is paid upon 50% completion. I mean, I guess, I guess she would still have to somehow document that 50% completion I was thinking because in I've worked in performing arts organizations and oftentimes the contract is basically the invoice so if the if the contract spells out the payment terms. I don't know if it's used in lieu of a formal invoice but you know I don't know if, if you want to talk to Paul about what what proof do they need and maybe it is the invoice I don't know it just I did talk to Paul about this and he did say it is as simple as a piece of paper that has her name on it, you know her address, her tax ID number because that does have to be in the invoice. Yeah, then just the amount and then we just submit that so so yeah. I was hoping the same like make it a little bit easier by just making this be a contract. Yeah, he also said it didn't matter what it was called. The problem is that she doesn't like the word invoice. So why don't we just call it something else exactly the same thing that says in an invoice without the word invoice and then everybody's happy. Maybe just documentation of, you know, percentage completion or something like that. I think, I think we can regardless I'll have it. I'll talk with her and see if we can get that all figured out. So I'll get back to you about that. This one seems such an easy solution to me. Oh, by the way, do you have a share report. I'm reading it right now. Can you please send it to me. Sure. Thank you. It's extremely helpful. Great. As far as you're making it public. I'm awaiting edits edits in this meeting so that we can send off that email. I looked over the email that I sent you all a copy of and I think I want to leave out that end part about a possibility of a future project because it's keeping us from sending out this email saying that we're really sorry that this happened and I think I think we could say something at the end of it like we would like to know if you'd be interested in future projects with us kind of thing but I don't want to be very specific about the town hall thing because I feel like it's kind of delaying my notifications that this is discontinued and so I want to get that part. Communicated as soon as we can so we can move on. So what do we think about that. I just want to say that I noticed that making it public the call is still on our website. It is. I need to get that down and the other call as well. So when we, you know, decide what we're doing. Yes, I think that should come down. Oh, they both need to come down right away. I think that's fine to take that off. Yeah. To not be promising anything specific. Yeah. Okay. What do you want the rest of you think. Yeah, I agree with that. Dara, what do you think about that? Oh, can't hear you. I think you've got your speaker off there. Sorry, that's fine. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay. So then I sent, I sent it to you. I'm going to go ahead and first on this to Jim. He has it. Oh, sorry. There. Okay. Send this. So I'm looking at over real quick. Let's see, what did I call that? I called it making public something town. Here we go. Letter to applicants. Okay, here we go. Okay. So anyway, I'm going to take what we've worked on and omit the part about the possibility of this town, town hall thing, because we really, it's too sketchy. So I'm going to do that. And then I'm going to send that out this week. If that's okay with you. Yeah, I agree. Great. Cause I want to just kind of wash our hands of this and move on to the next project. Robert. Sorry. The last version that I saw and it commented on. We're, we're removing the section about offering any sort of payment. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to actually find. I sent it to you a couple of days ago, I think. And now I'm trying to remember when I sent it. I'm sorry. I must have, I must have. I get, I get and send so much email that. I don't know where I put it. I remember the first round with the revisions, but I don't remember seeing the follow up, but I. It's possible. I sent it on Friday, September 29th. And I sent it to the three people I was kind of working with this on. So I'm going to send it to the rest of you. And I'm going to leave out. In the, in the meantime paragraph right here. So. So you, so do you want me to read it to you? Is that, is that helpful? Okay. I'm ready to let you know that our 2022. Making a public grant initiative from the New England foundation for the arts has been canceled. The Amherst public art commission is grateful for your answering the call for art for this initiative back in late May or early June. And for the work you put into your proposal. The town of Amherst has experienced a number of employee losses that were key to this project. Among those, the town planner who acted as liaison with us and NEPA to apply for the initial grant. And help develop the project. Although the town tried to continue supporting this initiative, the loss of staffing made it impossible for APAC to meet our deadlines. Our town manager, Paul Wauquaman and advocated on our behalf with NEPA to continue the grant. But the decision was finally made last week. I'll have to change that to end Amherst participation in this project. This loss stings a lot on behalf of all of us on the commission. We apologize. We will apply for the same grant when we are eligible to do so. And when the town has staff capacity to fully. Yeah, to fully support our efforts going forward. And then I'm going to leave out this next paragraph. And then I'm going to say my name is Terry Holt. I'm the acting chair of Amherst public art commission as of March. I think that's correct. March 2023. I'll check the notes. If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to me via email. Or leave me a note at town hall to my attention. So that is the entirety of the letter that I'm going to send. Is this okay? Any changes you'd like me to incorporate in here? Good. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you very much. As far as the block party. Tom, Mikey, Jim and I hosted a table. We had so many art. We had so many pens and markers. And paper and stencils. And every child at that block party came by our table. And they drew great. It was great. And we got to have some conversations with their parents. And some of the grownups who were walking by, we had a, we asked for feedback about what, what the public thinks. You know, Amherst public art should be focusing on. In our, in our next couple of weeks, we're going to be talking about, you know, Amherst public art should be focusing on in our, in our next couple of years. And we had some great responses, which I have here on little slips of paper, but I'm going to write down for you all. So you all get a, get a copy. And so it was kind of an impromptu survey that I thought would be, would be helpful for us to figure out where we want to go from here. I do think we still could put forth a more formal. Poll, although I'm curious where we would put it. I think we could probably try the Facebook page, but I'm not sure what kind of response we would get, but that kind of in person feedback, I think is really, really powerful. So I'm excited to go through it. A lot of people want to see murals, murals are very big right now in public art, just pretty exciting. And I'm a fan of murals too. So I think we should do that too. So anyways, we had a really good time. Thank you for, for showing up guys. I appreciate your, your, your help on that. And then cultural council, a deadline to apply for a Amherst cultural council grant is October 17th, which is right around the corner. And I know we haven't had enough time talking about our strategic plan and the plans we want to do for 2024. But I did want to kind of just put that out there that, that deadline does kind of hover. And if we want to do something for 2024, we're, we might want to think about a project that we might want to put some, some energy toward for this year so that we can go ahead and fill out a grant application. And I did want to kind of propose that whole transformer box utility box art project that we've done in the past. Our town manager really liked it and supported it in the past. So I think it would be a key thing to ask for, for grant money for so that we can get some artists in to beautify the town of Amherst. So that's what I came up with, but I want to hear from you all as well. So was that November 17th? Nope, that's October 17th. October. Yep. It's coming up, Robert. How lengthy is the application process? The, the grant. Application is an online form. They've made it a lot easier in the last couple of years to apply for grants. I have not looked it over. I have not looked over Amherst, but we can do that. It would not. I actually have it kind of called up here in case you wanted to take a look at it. Yeah, I'd be curious to see it. And do you know, is there a. Is there a dollar? Is there a maximum amount? There is. Let's see. I haven't gotten a chance to look it over. But, but there is a. An information session that you can look at our slide deck PDFs that you can take a look at. All of these are. Is this, is this our local one? I think this is the. Is that the mass cultural council? It is a lot of LCCs are just using this exact same language. So that it's not very, it's not different. It's all MCC based. So. Would you be able to, would you be able to send us the link to this? Or have you already. I can do it right now. If you want to check your emails. Oh, actually I can put it in the. I can put it in the. Yeah. Let's see if I can get this done here. You do have that, right? We have. I think we have a chat, do we? Oh, we don't. Okay. I don't think I have the ability to do a chat on this. I guess, I guess you're right. That's a shame. Oh, that's because it probably made it open meeting law. Strange. Okay. Well. That's okay. Anyways, it's a, it's very easy to find. It's just Amherst cultural council. And then it brings you right to here. Okay. One thought I had, and I, I'd have to read this to find out if this is something that they would fund, but. You know, the strategic planning process. It's, it's been hard for us to, to kind of get. Get a start on that. And I'm wondering if we were to get some. Funding, whatever, whatever would be available to perhaps engage. Someone with experience, either a consultant, someone a facilitator, you know, someone who might help us get that ball rolling so that we could build some momentum. Because I think it's going to be tough. To carve out the time or really prioritize it. And I, I still do think it's, it's really important for us to undertake it. In terms of helping us plan for the future. I think that's a great idea, Robert, to ask for funds to help pay for. A consultant to help us with our strategic planning. That sounds like a really great idea. Yeah, Lori, what do you think about that? I mean, if that's within the parameters of what they would fund. Yeah, I think that would be great. I also wanted to bring up at some point. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a good time is the idea. You know, following up on this idea of. Of collaborating with. You know, the public art commission and the Amherst cultural council collaborating and outreach that we can do to Matt Holloway or Julianne, which is a really powerful way to work with them. I think that's a good idea. How it was going with our bolt would contract. And kind of wanting a like a review when I told her that we're still kind of waiting to get our art in there. And I wanted to make sure that we are still in good standing with the ACC. And they said that we are, which is a really nice thing to hear because we're new at this. We're all new to this. So. It's good to hear that worse. We're in good standing with them. So yeah, consultant would fall under the the possibilities for grants. I really don't know, Robert, and that's a good thing to look up. So was that deadline for mass or Amherst culture? It's for everybody. It's for Massachusetts and it's for the local and for the state. It's all one thing. The money all comes in the same place. Well, so we can look at what was awarded last year. I think in some way it has to benefit your local community, obviously. So I think we'll have to take a look at that. Robert, do you want to look into that and get back to us? October 17th is we won't be able to meet. Sure, I can take a look and see. But in terms of communicating what I find out is that something I can just share in an email if I just am stating factual findings or if you hold that. If you can't discuss anything. So you could say you could say I'd like to put on the agenda for the next meeting the following state what you're doing maybe and then don't discuss it pro or con. If you want to push the envelope a little bit, but I think that's okay, but I'm not going to say so right now without looking at it. Well, I think the issue though would be if we're going to meet the deadline, that's only 12 days from now. So I don't think we'd be meeting again before then. Derek, did you want to say something? Yeah, I think if the main problem is that we can't find a time to meet for the talking about mission statements and plans for the future, a consultant's not going to help us get a time to meet. And it's a shame to spend money on a consultant when we have already given up money for an artist when your idea, Terry, to go ahead and put in something that has to do with something that's already worked out, which is taking care of those utility boxes to keep working on that and do more of those that makes a lot more sense to do in 10 days. Okay, then have somebody do the research to find out if asking for a consultant. Okay, something it to me, it doesn't. I mean, maybe in the future, but that's not art. That's not an artist to do something. And valid point, Derek, thank you. It's a really good idea for us to put put something about real art. Right? Okay, thank you so much for your yeah, thank you for your viewpoint. Yeah, like Tom agrees to. All right, let's put a pin in the consult consultant because we do have some funds available to us also in our own our own finances, we can possibly use toward that. But to what Dara is saying, I think Dara might be right in how how we want to get money and what we want to spend it on. Yeah, I agree. I think that's a good point. Yeah, we can certainly figure out the planning process in another way. So okay. So let's let's put that that pin in there because I would like to return to it about about about hiring a consultant and using the money that we have in our in our own treasury to pay for that. But as for October 17th deadline, do you want me to pursue the possibility of doing a transformer box project? And I think I can find information in our files from past projects we've done and also talk to past chairs about how they did that and what they did. Do you want me to pursue that before we could meet again before October 17th, but it's really hard for us to get those, you know, those times together to meet to talk. I think if you can look at an original document about the previous work on the utility boxes, you should have the wording that you need already. And I've I've filled out those applications. And they're not that hard. Right, good. Okay. Does Amherst do the like, do they give you a piece of paper that has the dimensions of the transformer boxes? And you have to put your art on the actual piece of paper so that you can see it? Or how does that? How do they do that, Dara, since you were you would be asking for a general fund to support designs that you don't have yet. So you can just describe the utility box based on whatever you feel it's not it's not that you don't need to go into detail about it's not a call for a project. It's a proposal for this group to make a call for a project to continue with the project of the utility boxes that's already started. Yeah, that we can just we can figure out how to how to run the call right now. We just need their proposal to ask for the money. I think you can just go make a good description in a sentence or two. Okay. The enhancement of the walking on sidewalks and stopping at stop lights to look at the utility boxes. Right. Yeah, you know, I don't think you need to worry about the details that like you think. Okay. All right. So I'm going to look into that and see what we've done in the past and see if I can find some language. And I'd like to get something in before October 17. So if we need to meet before that so that you can see what I what I've come up with, we can I can meet we can try to meet so we can get a quorum together. I can send out a doodle about dates. I have some time before October 17 to meet. I don't know if anybody else does, but I'll send you a doodle and we'll see if we can get together. Okay. That's on good. Yeah. And I wanted to say up. I was looking at the information on the website about the grants and it says that an LLC may approve grants for a broad range of projects and programs such as operating support, ticket subsidies, field trips, artist residencies, public art, fellowships, community events and programs, site specific projects and other activities based on local priorities. Each LCC. So we need to find our own determines its own local eligibility requirements based on a community engagement process and encourages granting no less than a minimum of 250 to each applicant. So just to give you an idea in the future, I like the idea of making this proposal for the utility boxes. And then in the future, we can think about other things we might want to do next year. I think that's a great idea. I would like to have I would like to make a list of things we could work on and in years forward after we do our strategic planning. So but right now, I think getting a 2024 grant cycle going to request funds for a transformer box, which we've already had in the past, I think is a is a good way to it's a good project to start with. Yes. All right. I will work on that and I'll send you a doodle to see if we can get together before the 17th. Okay. All right. Yeah, I may be able to help you because I was on the commission when we did the utility box project. Perfect. Great, Jim. You're my buddy. That's great. And also that word continue for an application is a really good idea. Okay. Continuing a project. Okay. Yeah, because that me that reminds me we've already approved it. Okay. Great. I will use that that language. All right. Great. Thank you so much. So it's all I have on my cherryport. So we'll move on on our agenda here. Review and approve email. We did that. Do we want to talk about APAC publicity? Did you all get a chance to see the logo that we came up that I came up with that was? I did not see that. Do you have a I only saw it on your own email to us one time about something? Well, I printed it out huge and I brought it with us to the block party to have something to kind of say who we are. Obviously, it doesn't doesn't have to be the, you know, the the one we use, but everyone who saw it seemed to like it. Is there have we anything to pick from? Have a picture I'm going to send to you. Anything you show I need a copy of for the minutes. It's fine. Please. So the email and the picture you're about to send. Yep. I can send it to you via email. Whatever way you here we are. Oh, oh, yes, the picture. Yeah. There we are at our table and this is a homage to the artist who made the beautiful illustrate the the stained glass window in town hall on the second second floor. The second floor was stained glass window that is historic. It's actually was created 20 years ago. I don't have his name in front of me. I'm so sorry. I should the gentleman who created that beautiful art in that window, the stained glass window, it's in this same kind of it's in a it's an homage to it. So the original art has 20 20 has well, 21 moons in the art. If you're if you haven't gone to town hall to see what I'm talking about, it's a it's a it's a beautiful piece of art. And it is a piece of public art that was funded 20 years ago that we paid for in its entirety. And it is still there. So this is just kind of an homage to it doesn't have to be what we use. But I thought it was kind of eye catching. Who designed it? My wife. She's an artist. She's a graphic designer. And I told her what I wanted. I wanted something to do with the with that, with that window. Because it's a significant historically and artistically and it's it's about public art. And so she's like, oh, and she came up with this and I liked it a lot. So we'll, are we going to pay her for her work? No, no, we're not. I mean, she did not do this with the assumption that she was going to if we'd had a public call for it and asked her people to present designs, we'd probably be paying them. Yeah. Well, this and we can do that. I mean, it is obviously I just I wanted to kind of get something get something down to show you what a logo could look like and we can all I like it. I don't like the the background of it too. Yeah, cool. They say her but if you're going to pay your wife, it's going to be a conflict of interest problem. Yeah, we're not going to worry about that, Jim, because she's not asking for money. She did it out of the goodness of her heart. I pay her and, you know, cookies. We're good. Anyways, that's that's the publicity talk we're going to have. That's it. I want to say that we do still need to send edits to the town of Amherst for the website. So, Laura, you mentioned that the calls for Art need to come down. That's true. If anybody has something that they notice on the website that needs to be changed or fixed, can you send it to me so I can send a list to Angela to get that done? Yeah, I'll do that too. I noticed that there were there are some deadlinks. There are. And there's also some public art listed. I just haven't had time. The tour Amherst art destination, some of the art's not there anymore. It isn't, yeah. There's also a great, so Mikey actually sent me an email. Did she send it to you as well? I'm not sure. It was about a piece in the local, the independent, the indie, something, the Amherst indie. Is that what it's called? I'm still new here. That was about Amherst public art and it actually listed and showed some public art that I didn't even know about. So, I still feel like it would be really valid to catalog public art in this town so that we all know what's been done in the past because I still don't have a complete listing. And that's something I think would be really valuable. All right. All right. Moving on. Other business not recently anticipated, prior to 48 hours before the meeting. I did send you an email today that I received from Angela about a potential public art project for Want of a Nail. It's right here. I'm going to make it a little bit bigger so we can all see it. This is a project that an artist, a North Amherst artist, is proposing and asking for funds from the Massachusetts Cultural Council. And it is to install a sculpture at the not quite built yet North Amherst public library. Incorporating horseshoes, which are, she found a bunch of horseshoes on the grounds that the building is going to be house or worth going to be erected. And she asked a sculptor to come up with a design and the sculptor came up with this horse head right here, which is cool. So this is her grant application that she sent in, Catherine Striker. And I sent it to you in a PDF. If you couldn't read it, I can, I'm not sure how else to send it to you, but I don't know if you received it. Who received it? Tom's got it. I did, I got it. I did not. Okay, I know, I know there's, it's hard to open PDFs sometimes. But if you want to read about it, I read, I think it's pretty cool. I talked to Paul a little bit about it today. He got it as well. He thinks it's a pretty neat project. And I said, you know, I'll talk to the commissioners and see if we, if this is a project we would like to support in our town. And so it's something that we can, we can talk about. I just got it today so I haven't been able to really think about it very much, but I wanted to put it out so that you all saw it. So we can talk about it. Okay. Can you send that to me again, because I didn't come through for some reason? Sure. Thanks. On first, on first read through, I was very favorably impressed. I think it's nice. Yeah, it's got history. It's got, it's got a lot of graphic interest. It's the sculptures. I do think that the, this initial design, I'm a little bit worried about the very pointy ears. I think it's beautiful, but I of course have a little concern about how high up that's going to be and how spiky those ears are going to be. But I think it's a really great idea. So it might be something that we may want to support going forward, but that's something we will talk about in the future. So I will send you, I will send that PDF again and let me see if I send it. I think if you google the artist's name, you'll see there's a couple of other articles about it already, about it being in progress, and you can read more about the newspapers. Okay. So Google her name, and I don't have a link for it or anything right now, because I was just curious and looking up stuff. Okay. And the the the poem for one of a nail has a lot of different attributions, not just the one that she stated, but I don't care about that. Right. Okay. Not really, but yeah, I think that we need more time to think about it. Oh, definitely. Picture all of it and everything. And this person has been very professional about putting together the piece that they did. Right. And obviously, they've already gotten money for it. Right. Okay. Well, right. She's got a long list of supporters at the end of her proposal. I know. I know. Well, I didn't get to read it. I did not get to read it. I'm looking forward to that. You can see a kind of long list of people. If you, I printed it out when I finally could open it. Oh, great. Yeah, it was saying that she does not think there's going to be a problem with fundraising that she will be able to fundraise some of the fundraisers herself, she says. Right. And then she's got the Mass Cultural Council, the American Ferriers Association, the District One North Amherst, Jones Library, Town of Amherst, Wright Builders and Museum of Industrial Heritage. So she's got a list of supporters. She's so far as what it says. Right. The town is already giving her money. And Wright Brother, Wright Builders is, I don't know how much they're giving her, but we would need to know how much each of these entities is giving her before we commit. Oh, yeah, of course. You said the town is already giving them, giving her money. I didn't. She lists it as supporters. Supporters. I don't know if that means financial, but. Well, it typically usually should. That's what it implies. And you're right that it could be vague, but it's usually when you make a proposal like this and you say you already have support. There it is on your screen. Yep. So I would just, I think it is. I'm pretty curious about it. And I like the background of it and stuff. Okay. Robert. Well, to Dara's point, she mentioned that the artist mentions that the project was given an Amherst Cultural Council Award back in January of this year. So I guess I have a process question, so it's not clear to me exactly what she's asking of this commission. She's actually not asking this commission. Right. So I guess I'm wondering what our role is in this and what our, you know, are we are we approving any request that a resident has to create some kind of public art? And if we're doing that, do we have well defined criteria so that anyone submitting something can feel a degree of comfort that there's an objective set of criteria that their projects being evaluated against. So I, again, it kind of goes back to process and planning. And I feel like there's a certain lack of clarity around that. Tom, did you want to talk about this at all? Yeah. My feeling is that we should pass on, I mean, we can, we can, you know, learn more about it and discuss it. But I wouldn't plan for this commission to do anything for exactly the reason that Robert was pointing to, which is we've still got some work to do to get our, you know, our our own charter together and included with that would be the criteria. So I think the saving grace here is it sounds like she doesn't need us. It would be nice in a way to have, you know, have our name listed there as being aware and vaguely approving. I say vague because it would be without money maybe. But I think, I think we just, we have to get on with the work of defining ourselves and our processes. Well, what did she, how did we get the proposal? So this, Angela sent me this today. Uh-huh. Yesterday. How did it come to her? Well, Catherine sent this to public art attention, Thomas Warger. Okay. So, um, yeah, okay. I know where that came from. So they are appealing to us, you know, through Tom. Yeah. Is there, is there a specific amount of money asked for? What she's saying in this is I have strong interest for many individuals in financially contributing towards the cost. And I believe that I can raise all the necessary funds, which really sounds to me like that she does not have money, that she has support that's probably verbal. So it does not have a site yet. There's not, there isn't a location, there isn't a place to put this yet. So the town of Amherst might say, hey, that sounds really cool. But Paul said to me today, we don't know where it will go. They don't have permission to obviously put this on a site at all. So that, that's part of the process obviously of, of public art. So we, because we are public art, that would be part of our job would be to help the town, you know, use the site and, and have a project, have a system, which we don't have in place yet to Tom, to what Tom had to say. So I really love this idea. I do think that I would love to see this kind of thing come to us after we've got that all delineated and figured out. By the way, I think I know how she got my name on there, and that is when I put out the announcements about the, the the town hall gallery exhibit, I had to give my email. Oh, okay. So that's, that's how it's floating out there. Ah, okay, got it. Well, hey, it's good to get this kind of stuff. So it's just sort of an FYI, I think, from Angela. This is, this proposal is. Well, because Angela sent it to us, so that we, that we saw it. So now that we've gotten it, we just, we're going to talk about it. We'll talk about it today, we'll talk about it next month. But there isn't any action item that I need to, you know, check off right now. Okay. She has sent this to public art, so we now have it. We can now read it on our own and discuss it at the November meeting and we'll have more to talk about. So if anybody wants to do any fact finding in the meantime, you're welcome to, to bring that to the next conversation that we'll have in November and we'll, we can contact her at that point if we decide to do so and help decide to go forward if we all vote to do so and we'll figure it out. But this is just the initial stage and this is something that, you know, it should be the norm that people send us proposals and, hey, we'd like to do this in public art and then we say, sure, we've got an apparatus for that, which we will come up with. So yeah, let's take a look at it in your time, you know, in your own time. Interleisure, you have a month and then we'll talk about it in November. Does that sound good? Yep. I like it. Great. Okay. So I think my agenda, we're at the end of my agenda, I do believe. Does anybody have any other business that we did not anticipate before this meeting that they'd like to discuss? I have one piece, if no one else does, I would invite everyone on the commission to consider the possibility of joining me as a co-chair. I could use a little help as in leadership position. So if anybody feels called to be by my side and help me co-chair this commission, I let me know and we will discuss it at the next meeting. All right, so think about it. Come back to me next month and we'll talk about it. I'll be sending you a doodle about a possible meeting before October 17th, so respond to that when you get it and I'll also send one for the November meeting, which I'm hoping is going to take place on Monday at 6.30 if it works out date-wise, but I'll send you those two doodles. Okay, so your homework this month is just to take a look at this and see what we think and then we'll talk about it next month. Okay. Okay. All right. I did not ask for a treasury report, Robert. I don't know if there's anything we need to discuss or you know nothing has changed probably. Yeah, I don't have any news to report. That $5,000 hasn't just mysteriously like shown up on our account, right, from the town of Amherst. Um, I haven't been in touch with with Holly. I can I can ask her. I had she hasn't she hasn't contacted me to say that there was any additional funding that's in the account, but I can ask her. Wondering if we had received that from Nefa so we can put it in there for for hopeful future uses so we can actually help support our artists in town. If you could find out if that is you know going to be placed in our account so that we can. So just to clarify, is that something that you're discussed with Paul that the money would go into our account or? I mean that my assumption was that this was this was given to the town of Amherst public art commission for use in this project and so it should be going to us for our uses so that we can actually help artists in our town. Um, but if you would ask ask her real quick and just get back to me and then I can follow up with Paul if there's any clarification that's that needs to happen. All right. All right, well this was less than an hour. Yay, Lori. Thank you so much for coming and it's really good to see you all and I will talk to you in email and then we will see each other in November. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Gonna get a second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Motion passes. Thank you so much. Have a lovely week and I'll see you soon. Thank you. Hey, bye everyone. Bye, Jim. Bye.