 We're glad to know you're still there and watching us. It's the run-up on Plus TV Africa. And we still have Otumba Shegunshomi here with us. He is the governorship candidate for Oggun State under the umbrella, under the PDP, as it is. Once again, Otumba, we're glad that you're here to answer our questions. Recently, the presidency or the federal government pushed all the blame of poverty in Nigeria to the state governors, and this is the office that you intend to occupy. Let's start with that. Do you think that allegation by the federal government to state governments or state governors, rather, was fair? Thank you very much. You see, I have also entertained that thought in my mind. And I'll tell you what I mean by I've entertained that thought. I've asked myself often, what if the federal government of Nigeria was not giving the state's money for suburb? What exactly would they have done with their primary education up to the first three years? I've asked myself, was it that what if the federal government wasn't doing so much for the local government? Why is it that from the generated internal revenue of the state, they're not doing enough for the local government? I've asked myself, why is it that if the federal government is not trying to do pro-poor interrogation? What am I trying to say? I've entertained that thought, but I don't exactly agree with the federal government. The hallmark of a leader, the reasonably wise one, is to entertain a thought without necessarily accepting it. Now, why am I not accepting the position of federal government? It comes down to the structure of government that we are running. If you insist that you're going to sit down in a Buddha and do a national weighted abrito, how much salary I have to be my own workers, without taking into consideration the revenue, the outcome, and the monies I have, you are not helping the development that you want to help. If you insist that you are going to decide the curriculum that I'm going to use to keep people in my own part of the country, you are not helping the direction of natural growth I want to go. So I blame the federal government for this policy thing around poverty and lack of development insofar as I know that they are trying to do more than they are naturally in doubt to do. You are not closest to the people. How will I not blame you for security? When you don't even have the courage to allow the state governors and probably local government to secure themselves, if you insist on being the only one in charge of security and police and army and all that, then who am I going to blame if there's insecurity? That's why I said I've entertained that thought, but I don't agree. Having said that, I am absolutely beyond persuasion that most of our governors are irresponsible up till now, irresponsible in the sense that I have never understood how people who come into government as governor live the place with still so much to do and then come out and be claiming that they are very rich. I've never understood how a governor or government at the state or local government will not regulate, audit itself and be waiting for the ESG of the federal government. Because I can't understand it because most often times they're not, we can even find the thieves. We can even see the goods is stolen in front of us and yet we must pretend that until ESGC and ESGPC come, we cannot do what is right by our people. I can't understand the fixation of all the states are doing among us a big big project, British and all that, when they cannot even figure out to do rural roads. I can't understand how state governments in Nigeria have not been able to understand that if you do not have the poor budget, invariably your democracy does not even make sense because the rich can take care of themselves somehow, but it is the poor who will have to deal with the issue of, oh, how are we going to be able to eat? Oh, how are we going to be able to do the things that the poor need to do? And yet, what we see in our country today is that the poor are the ones that are not even getting attended to because we have chosen to be doing infrastructure that can maybe give us money, whereas the simple basic thing, for instance, I've ever become a governor in a room. I've said to them and I've said it clearly, one of the reasons why we are not doing well with education now is because we are not paying attention to early education, which is the North Resport, and if the federal government is willing to pay for primary school, shall I not find the money to pay for North Resport for free? So these are the kinds of thinking. If you are not doing it now with rural roads, the loss as we stand today does not say that the state government cannot privatize or get into making the environment easy and useful and, you know, more attractive for foreign money to come and do some social product at a cost. The loss we have today does not say the governor should not pay pension or pay retirees or pay their teachers. And I don't understand this fixation in the country today, where people who come into government very broke, they will be living government very rich and will be pretending they don't know where they got the money from. So that's why I said I can't entertain that talk, but I do not agree because I have seen the structural incoherences. Take the case of Peter of Igbor Instance. To some extent, people said he did well in Anambra. How do you consider that Peter has done well in the real sense when all the money he claimed is safe and in the face of it, not of keeping host for infrastructure and modernizing the place has been stolen by his successor and by the nature of the Nigerian political space, he would have had a hand in installing that successor. How the hell did it become a case that he could not even copy what the balancing board done, which is find better than them as successors. So you get what I'm trying to say. If we don't adjust it, we'll just be struggling. I don't like us to just be arguing or talking for talking safe. All right, let's get the country to work. Let's let's let's let's just take a break from what you say now. We're actually I know that when we started in the first segment, we touched a little bit about the manifesto and the plans for Nigeria by your principle. I have also Honorable Vincent Ubani here, the director general of the Nigerian youth, as they are called. And he's standing by Honorable Ubani. Welcome to the program. Now that you have a little money, can I go ahead and go and do it? That's why you're on the bank. Sorry. OK, it's fine. It's fine, sir. But otherwise, I had a few more questions for you. But Honorable Ubani, welcome to the runner. Honorable Ubani, please unmute. Thank you very much for having me here with you. OK, so the last speaker, our tumba show me just talked about some things about continuity from Peter Obey. He just mentioned Peter Obey and we're interested in the manifesto that Peter Obey and the Labour Party released recently. The 62-page document that was released recently, because we don't have a lot of time. So be very brief. Let's get to have a peek into that manifesto, explained to us how whatever was meant in that manifesto. OK, thank you. Once again, I am Honorable Vincent Antony Ubani, the Global Director General of the Nigerian Youth Headquarters. And I'm the President General of the Coalition of All Young Aspirants and Candidates in Nigeria and the Aspirants. For the venture, we are now all working on one agenda, which is to produce a new era of new Nigeria. The new Nigeria of the younger generation dream, no longer the old political system or ideology. And I think the manifesto of his excellency, the incoming president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, has spoken so large well on terms of how to tackle the problems in the country. But you must agree with me that it's not about the manifesto. It's about we being able to call it sped, sped. We've been suffering so dearly in this country. A lot of things has gone so wrong in this country and that we, the politicians, has betrayed us so dearly that we can no longer tolerate the game of the old politicians. Now we are not interested in manifesting or we are interested in. We don't want the old system to continue in Nigeria. People have died in a large number. I mean, thousands of people have been killed. This is not natural death. We are talking about killed, killed by kidnapping, killed by illegal gunshots, killed by robbing, killed by bomb blasts, terrorist attack, different. Honorable Lubani, honorable Lubani, we have to understand some things here. First of all, you talked about being coalition of the youths and all that. We don't know the age bracket that you call just a moment. We don't know the age bracket that you call youth. We need to know that. And secondly, you say you're not interested in manifesto. Manifesto is supposed to be a guide for anyone who is coming in to look at and say, OK, this is my my covenant with the people. This is what I intend to do. And let me follow it step by step. So when you say you're not interested in the manifesto, I don't know what you really mean. Like, let's just go whatever we meet. We do anywhere. Belief, Belief is like we say in Nigeria. We need to be clear in that, so that we don't misinterpret my brother. When I when I told you it's not about the manifesto is because I know very well that there have been a lot of people, politicians coming up with different manifesto. And at the end of the day, it ends in zero. Because the manifesto is just a paper. But this is not what that they present to us. That it's been happening in the end of the day when you make them in government. For example, APC, we came. I'm a member of the APC Presidential Campaign Council in 2019. I worked not only worked the young leaders, the young leaders in this country was duped, was was food by the APC government. They duped us. They made us spend our money. They made us use everything we have to bring president Brari back to power. They agreed in the document that they are giving 40 percent of youth in governance. What happened at the end of the day? Zero percent. No young no one young person was given any single appointment after we worked, after we were even food, use our name to publish as the presidential council and so on. And they made us use our money. We invested our money in Brari's government. And what happens at the end of the day? Scar Scar rates schools, school fields, students are dropping out of school. And when you talk, they arrest you, they humiliate you, they threaten you, they want to kill you, and this is all we get. So the manifesto is as long as I'm concerned is trash. We want a new era of younger generation to take over leadership. We want a new Nigeria. We are not talking about manifesto. Let's first collapse the old system, the old criminal system and bring a new system, which will be is the one that is in a good position to guarantee this new generation system. And I did not tell you about youth. I'm telling you about young candidates, young candidates in the sense the young ones who after the passage of the not too young to run bill that we are not seen as a scam because this be since it has been passing into law. We have it has cost us much than good because we young people who think, OK, the be has been passed. Let's try our best at the end of the war. But they rigged the election at the end of the day. They rigged the election. There is no election happening in Nigeria. All they do is to rig the election, rig the self in the office. You understand? So that's why I said it's not about manifesto. And I don't want to look at the manifesto. I want to look about how to end the old ceiling corrupt system that is being operated. And we are facing two people in this election. The INEC must understand that it's not going to be business as usual. Nobody is coming to rig the 2020 election to be very frank with you because we will not tolerate it. The masses are not going to tolerate it as long as I'm consigned. The masses will rise against anybody who tries to win in election in 2020. We are fed and we are tired of the system. We want a new Nigeria. His excellence in PTOB is a new Nigeria that we want. Him and his deputy, a vice president, it's good to go. And we have a think we have gotten to a resolve to that effect. And the world have seen it through the mega rally that has been held all over the world that we want a new Nigeria. And PTOB is the one with his vice is the one that we are choosing. Just briefly, very, very briefly now before we go, let's round off here. A lot of people have said that even though we've heard so many things from PTOB, Anambra State is not really a state that you can look at and say, oh, because of PTOB, it is like this. So if you have the experience of Anambra State, what is that marked thing that we can see in Anambra State and attribute it to PTOB that has marked out Anambra State? Because in Lagos, for instance, they say the IGR rose up and is still continuing till today. And so many other things that are being ascribed to a Shuwaju Bola Amit, Tinubu, even though he didn't directly do them. They said he had a master plan for it. What are these things in Anambra State that we can look up to and say, OK, because of PTOB, this thing changed in Anambra State. And so it can also change in Nigeria if he comes to be at the hem of affairs. OK, to give you a very simple answer to this issue, you don't expect anything to change in a part of the country that already has been marginalized, that has been denied. Every right to the co-fundamental right of the nation, the South Eastern Zone has been signalling out as a place that they don't care what happens. And this is the reason that led to the agitation and the continuous fights of the young people there that they don't want to continue in this business of Nigeria. And it's not working. It's not working. So me telling me to ask me of what PTOB has done that can justify him, are you telling me Tinubu has done something in Lagos? It's trash. What Tinubu is benefiting here in Lagos is not his work. They are a large population of people in Lagos who are making things to happen in Lagos. Don't forget Lagos, he was the former capital of the country before moved out. Lagos is benefiting all the rights that they support. We have support that is supposed to be working in the Eastern Nigeria. Is he working? Don't worry about Lagos, just tell me about Anambra and be very brief. We are rounding off. My brother, I cannot start telling you that this is what PTOB have done. This is what he has done. This is not what he has done. What I can only tell you is that PTOB happens to be the only person that we can guarantee our future in his hand at this point in time. Because when he was the governor of Anambra State, he was also a guarantor. He guaranteed the future of the state. And I can tell you the people of Anambra State, I'm not from Anambra State, but the people of Anambra State has made it clear that they have never seen anybody like PTOB since the history of Anambra State. So I stand on the people who said that PTOB is the best person that can handle this country at the stage where we are. OK. I don't need to look back again because there is no God in PDP and there is certainly no God in APC. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Honorable Viceroy Ubani. Thank you very much. We'll still engage you in subsequent programs, but you are the director general of the Nigerian youth. And we're hoping that you are mobilizing as much as possible for the 2023 election to be very successful. So thank you for coming on the program today, sir. Very much. OK, we'll go on a short break now for us to bring you the news. And after the news, we'll continue. Stay with us.