 But I want to ask you this you might have answered this in the past and I apologize But whatever you guys do futures bets on let's say NFL teams win totals or their odds to win the Super Bowl or anything like that in Something happens like for instance the Walton family is about to buy the Broncos Does that change anything for you? Do you think in the Broncos eyes? You know when the commander signed Carson Wentz zero movement Zero movement at all whenever the Broncos signed Russell Wilson movement. How you doing keeping moving? What do you pick? How do you guys pick and choose what matters and what doesn't matter to a team and winning and in moving on and moving the numbers? Honestly, I just think it's it's the upgrade right Russell Wilson's an incredible player and incredible upgrade in Denver They've got a lot of the supporting pieces around them Really good defense probably underachieved in the last couple of years and when you go and get Russell Wilson It's not just Russell Wilson. It's who else, you know, who else is going to be attracted by playing with him And I think it's also the intention of the team that you can read into as well So for that reason Russell's an easy one for us to make a big upgrade a big jump in our ratings on quarterback play Expected from the Denver Broncos and I think you saw that reflected in the movement. Carson Wentz is shot, right? I mean that guy, you know, he was barely serviceable and now you see him there He's a good guy. He's trying his best, but he's not going to make a difference. So therefore Washington stay where they are But is there anything that could potentially happen off the field that would change the way like the Browns right now Whenever you're trying to and I don't know if you guys even have any wind totals I think for the I don't think you guys have released wind totals for the Browns yet But the Deshaun Watson situation is continuing to grow and get bigger I think then we could have ever imagined maybe a month ago when we thought this was over his lawyer Rusty Harden goes on the air and is now being quoted in more people's allegations against Deshaun Watson from his radio clip and the NFL allegedly concluded its investigation But we don't know what it's gonna do. There's a lot to take in there How do you judge that and how do you not just get it completely wrong and lose a shit ton of money for Fandle? Whenever you're projecting something like that, I think we do sometimes right? We can't be across the inner workings of what's happening with Deshaun and you know They're two-to-one joint favorites now for the division. That's clearly with him a quarterback They would not be in that position without him So there's an opportunity there if you think Deshaun Watson is not going to be a full participant this season I would strongly suggest having a look at the AFC North outright betting as quickly as you can because You know if he's not there and he's not a quarterback then, you know, they're not no longer a two-to-one shot So the short answer is we get these things wrong all the time We only have the information that you have that's available in the public domain We don't have any inside information like you're able to get given your NFL History we just can't get that information You Were the mom with the with the ball and the Super Bowl you made a big change to how we think about pricing that you had that Inside information for example. Well, that was That has been good to us, but the coin toss has been pretty fucking ruthless Towards me at that Super Bowl, you know, I get that year-end review of my bets things and Feels like that Super Bowl heads coins tails thing really shows up there every year How do you price that you do you guys do you flip the coin like a hundred times at the office and just figure it out? Yeah, there's two of us standing here throwing coins out John over the last few days I've been starting to look at some of the cricket lines because the games are happening so early in the morning And I kind of want to you know, it's like a wake-up ping-pong. Yeah. Yeah, very similar Is there any value in that because there's so little volume I'm assuming being placed on these games or is it the kind of thing where you guys are actually you got a couple cricket sharps over there Like I don't really understand any of it. So I don't know how I go about betting it But like do you think there's any type of advantage there? I Heard you spoke about your record tie when Mike was on how's your record of betting a fondue gone so far? Oh Not bad. Yeah So cricket I wouldn't bet on cricket if your record is good. I mean, I Don't even know what's happening with crickets. I mean, it's The price the lines are pretty sharp, right? There's actually a lot of international volume that goes into those markets So you'll find that they're pretty efficient. So I don't think you'll find They're waking up in the morning He's gonna stick yeah guys got a picture. Yeah, he might be a picture Boston wick it's go fire. I don't know if you guys could track this or saw this there was a quite an uptick I assume and ping-pong betting in the morning There was there was like a one-month run where I was waking up in the morning And I was betting handsomely on these ping-pong games just because I wanted to wake up with a positive Let me go ahead and make this bet Maybe five ten points left. I'm gonna go plus 170 Let's fucking go whoo. I'm a surf big big bet on that. I'm gonna take a shit a shower I'm gonna come back. This thing's gonna be over lost again. Can't lose tomorrow again every sit for like two weeks straight I was just betting on shit. I didn't know it sounds like that is you guys sitting in the poker room in Vegas at like 3 a.m. When all the drunks come into the poker room and all the people that actually understand poker is sitting there Waiting to just take all of the money from all the drunks Is that what all the bullshit sports are on Fando for you guys like you guys are just sitting there like come on it Come on. Oh, yeah bet on cricket. This is fun. You've never heard of it. Come on in. Oh ping ball You don't know that person is come on in. We don't either that's I think you're gonna try to give away But that's not the case at all right. No, that's a hundred percent not the case But it's an opportunity for someone to have a bet as you said it's always on Plenty of content there for people about on designed to be completely recreational somebody to come in Have a small wage or watch the game. It's over in 10 minutes on to the next one. That's really all that's behind it Yeah, I sound like When you got completely defeated in something, you obviously have to blame the person you're competing against for cheating And it sounds like with what you just said about cricket. Yeah, that was the case Don't bet on ping pong either. Yeah, John How closely are you guys monitoring like trade or free agency kind of scenarios? Like for instance when AJ Brown got traded during the draft you immediately go and change their odds to win The division the Super Bowl and all those things and then even with the NBA free agency Deandre eight and the guy that you actually fucked us all over with with his over and points if you remember correctly Yeah, it's pretty messed up. He also missed it by half a point But like are you watching that especially now that the rumors are he's not going to Phoenix and you're kind of as soon as he Signs you got to change the odds for that team as well Yeah, we're certainly monitoring all that super closely like you said the key players key skill positions in the football Obviously seeing what's happening in the NBA, you know where these players are going to end up makes a decent amount of difference The only thing I would say is in general people tend to overvalue Outside of quarterbacks in football. They certainly overvalue wide receivers and running backs And you know, you should see very little movement in those lines from our side once those people change Yeah, Deandre eight and it's kind of the same He's not going to make a huge difference the Phoenix trances next season They'll obviously need to fill that hole and can they fill that with somebody as talented as him? The suit the system may be better. It might actually be net positive for the Suns I would say draft night. You guys just have a group text when AJ Brown gets trigger. Are you all in the office or you just say fucking? I'm changing it myself. How's that go? Yeah, I mean most of the time is the guys honestly like I'm watching all of that stuff But the vast majority of the guys the guys are here in the office, you know waiting for that breaking news Understanding what the implications of all the trades are you know trying to trade that in real time is really difficult, right? Every pick we traded it live here in New Jersey. We were allowed to offer two picks down the line So after the first pick went we were on to pick four and so on Trying to understand the implications of each pick on what was going to happen two or three picks later was a lot of fun I wonder was really difficult for us to make any money. We actually lost a lot of money on the draft That's one of the reasons why it's such a big note for all of us