 Good morning and welcome everyone. Thank you for connecting to class. We will pray and begin. Hopefully today will be your last class as far as believers authority is concerned. That is if we cover everything fast. If we don't then we will have to spill over to the next week as well. Okay so let us pray and we can continue. I would like to request someone from the online batch to please lead in prayer. Please open us out in prayer. Let us pray. Heavenly Father we once again thank you for this hour of study. We just pray Father that as we get into your word Lord the Holy Spirit will minister to us and lead us Lord to the study. We also pray that whatever we learn will be able to retain and apply the same in our lives. Heavenly Father we also pray for a blessing upon our entire faculty and upon all the students here studying the Bible college. In Jesus' precious name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you brother Sanjay. So we will get back to the chapter on deliverance exercising authority in deliverance and we saw how Jesus went about setting people free and the if you may want to call it the method or the steps that he used and we saw that there are many examples of when Jesus actually delivered people and there are some common things that we can notice that he was full of authority that he did not let the spirit torment the person. He did not have too much of a conversation with the spirits and ultimately we were talking about how we must care for the person. You know we should have genuine love for the person while we are upset and angry with the demon spirit. So broadly we we addressed all this today. Let's look at a few more general instructions and then we will go to what is known as a 10 step model. Okay 10 step model for deliverance. Of course in the case of Jesus it was always one step whether it came to healing or deliverance is one step. Jesus said it and the demons left but in practicality for whatever you know whatever reasons it may in some cases we may find that we command one step and the demon leaves but then in other cases we have to follow a certain process. So we'll look at all of that. So now going to the general instructions I'm on page 62 in the notes. We said operate out of love whenever it is possible engage in prayer and fasting because it always strengthens our faith. So what does prayer and fasting impact? It impacts our faith. Then have confidence be bold even if demon spirits come against us and they say all kinds of things like you know I know your past or they have the tendency to do that they will speak against us to put fear in our hearts. So we should not let it affect us be strong be confident and continue to minister. And we also said that the way we minister right the authority is what we already carry. So it's not necessarily in the sound or the noise or the level you know the loudness with which we are ministering. So the firmness is what is more important to release the authority. And then we also said it's not good to be arrogant or get into a competition with the demon spirits just because they are upsetting us you know we go ahead and we challenge them. So these kind of things should be avoided. And we also said that we can take time to declare the power of the cross. So in that situation I already said that in the case of Jesus it was always one step. Jesus commanded the demon spirit and the demon spirit came out. But when we are ministering it may take some time. So in that time what we should say or what we should not say that that is something to consider. So what should we say we should declare the power of the cross because that is where the victory flows from. So as we let's say we are commanding and then there is a little bit of time you speak about the victory of the cross again we are commanding right. And there is a little bit of time we can talk about the power of the blood. And so as we are in the process declare the cross declare the power of the blood or maybe we can sing songs right that talk about these things. So this is how we continue to fight or it's like warfare the fight is happening. There is a little bit of a struggle but in that struggle these are the things that we can speak to the demon. Why should we speak about the cross and the blood what is the importance. Why speak about the cross and blood why not speak about anything else. We can talk about a lot of things right. Because sister Jesus has paid all the for our sins for our healing for everything for our whole Shalomi has paid. Okay. So why specifically in the process of deliverance. I think Gakil was saying something. Demons tremble at the name of Jesus and they respond to the flame. There is nothing else that would make them flee. Okay. So the authority of the name of Jesus but also see this is warfare. So in warfare we are repeatedly telling the devil you are already defeated. You're already defeated devil. So which is why the demons don't like it because we are reminding them time and again you have to leave. You're already defeated. So that is why talk about the cross talk about the blood. So these are things that we can talk about and whenever possible get the cooperation of the individual. We do know there can be instances when the demon possessed person is unable to communicate. Right. So we said like the whole time if they are if they are affected in such a way that the whole time they are manifesting. They will not have stability of mind at that time communication is not possible. But in many instances when they have the capacity to think or they have the capacity to understand. We can actually speak to them and get their cooperation. So getting their cooperation means what? What does it mean getting the cooperation of the person? How does it look getting the cooperation of the person? Okay. Some answers here in the chat asking them if it is okay to cast the demon out. Okay. That's a good answer. So cooperation simply means the willingness of the person. So whenever it comes to deliverance, see we have a good intention. We want to help. Right. And we are doing our best to set that person free. But let's say the person doesn't want. If the person is like actually I don't want to be free. I'm fine. Like I don't want to change. I don't want anything different. So we want to help. We cannot help. That's the truth. Okay. That's the reality. So you know if it comes to deliverance or healing or any ministry, the willingness of the person is very important. Especially in deliverance because the will of the person is involved. Now if they don't allow the demon to leave, the demon will not leave. The demon will be like and the person is not letting go. Who are you to command me? So it becomes difficult and we'll keep trying, but the demon will not leave. So there's no point. So whenever it is possible, it's good to talk to the person and say, look, I'm trying to help you. These are the things that have happened because of the demons. It is destroying your life. It is damaging your life. Will you cooperate? Are you willing to make a change? Are you willing to let go? So when the person says yes, so you see the will is very important. Isn't it? Go back to Adam and Eve. God gave free will. You choose. You want to do it. You don't want to do it. You don't want to do it. Fine. It's up to you. Because the will determines many things. The choices we make, right? And so one way to minister is help the person understand. Then when they come to the place where they say, okay, I understand this is not good for me. I want the demons out. Then it becomes easier because together like you are casting the demons out. The person is saying that they don't want the demons. The demons have to leave. Right? Otherwise it becomes opposite. Like you're, you're pulling in one direction and the individual themselves are not allowing the demons to leave. So what's the point? You know, you can go on for one day, two days trying to cast out demons. There'll be no results. So in some situations we have to talk to them and we have to tell them, look, we need your cooperation. If you don't cooperate, the demon is not going to leave. So that's how it works. Okay, let's move on. So some other important things to look into. Yeah, closing all entry points. So let's imagine we are trying to cast out demons, but the person still has sin in their lives. For example, we had a counseling session. We prayed for them. We said, okay, you come back on Friday. We will pray for you. But the issue is this sin, the sin in your life. Don't repeat it. You know, the way Jesus told that woman, okay, go back, sin no more. So we tell them, sin no more. The person comes back, but they have no willingness to let go of their sin or, you know, whatever they are practicing or whatever is part of their lives. Then again, how much can we command? Because the door is open. The entry point, we call it entry point. Entry point is open. So the demon may not leave or the demon may leave and come back, which is worse. Right? We've said that when the demon goes out and then comes back, it comes back stronger with seven other spirits. So it's all very dangerous. And it really depends on the individual. Now, as a minister, we can only do our best. Beyond that, if the person is still not willing to shut the entry points, you know, sometimes we wonder, oh, we did so much outcome. You know, nothing, nothing is happening. But I think we have to come to a place just at some point where we say, I've done everything. You know, now it's up to that individual. If they are not willing, how much can you, how much can anyone actually keep doing it? So if entry points are not shut, if person is not ready to listen, then there's actually nothing much that we can achieve. Right? So it's very sad, but that's how it is. We always want to get 100% results. But the way God has created us, everybody has free will. Take your own choices. And so as much as it depends on us to minister deliverance, it depends on the individual to receive the deliverance. Okay? So entry points is very important. If they are not shut, it's very difficult. But is there a possibility where the stronghold is dominating the person's will? Okay. So when it comes to will, I'll just tell you with my understanding, it's, it may not be all that technical and accurate. But the way we see, this is there in the conquest of the mind. Okay. So when it comes to our will, what is will? Will is a capacity to say, yes, no, make decisions, make choices. So what happens is God wants us to have a healthy will, healthy meaning we should be able to make good choices. But when we don't practice making good choices, what happens is the will starts to become weaker, weaker and weaker and weaker. And especially, you know, in the cases of we say things like addiction, why is it that, you know, people get addicted? It's not that they don't, they want that lifestyle. Ask anybody who's addicted. You know, they'll be so sad and they'll say, no, actually, I don't want to, but I'm stuck. Because at that point, what has happened is they kept allowing their will to be weak. And the temptation was overriding. Right? They kept moving in that direction. Now they have come to a place where the will is so weak. What I want to do doesn't matter. My body has taken over, my flesh has taken over. And it can also be that demons have taken over. That's what happens in demon possession. Usually the will becomes so weak at one point. What the person wants to do is not even in question. The demon will do what the demon wants to do. So that's how it is. So we'll know we need to practice. And how do we practice the more we are in the Word of God? Right? It helps us make the right choices. So you keep making right choices as per the Word of God. The will will become stronger and stronger. So the way we make decisions. So yeah, that's a little bit about the will. There's a scripture which says the spirit is willing when the flesh is weak. So somewhere in this context. Right. So this one is Jesus said for prayer. Yes. That the spirit wants to do it but the flesh is weak. Apply that in this scenario. In this scenario, I would say it's like a temptation only. Because the body is saying don't. You're so tired, you don't. It's a temptation. So it again depends on the will. Look at the will of Jesus. I'm sure he too must have been tired but he prayed. But the disciples, they were weak in their will and they slept. So it's a temptation but Jesus overcame the temptation. So that's about the will. So about the will, we can have so many other discussions. Like if you read the book of James, James talks about double-mindedness. That's a problem of the will. Meaning double-minded means we are saying we want this also and we want that also. So James says if you do things like that, you won't have any results. Be clear what you want. When we are asking God for something, we have to be clear. So there are all these issues of the mind and will also which would be a lot. Sister, I have a question. Yes, yes, secretary. Yeah, the man in the tomb, he was possessed with losing of demons. And he was not in the right mind willingly. But Jesus had to pray, right? Yes. Jesus had to pray. Sister, could you come again? Like what is your question? I mean that man was not in his right mind. He was not willing. I'm sure he didn't even know that he had so many demons. But Jesus said some three. You said you have to be willing, right? Yes. So sister, what we are saying is if the person has the ability to respond, then you speak to them and get their willingness. But in some situations they don't have the ability. For example, this person. Yes. So oppressed by demons that he is not in his right mind. Then we just have to take over and we have to minister. Okay. Yes. And of course there is something known as post ministry care. So once they are set free, we can talk to them about the importance of being in the world, making right choices, shutting entry points and all of that. When you're trying to help out an individual and if you're trying to tell them, you know, definitely there is something in you that's, you know, not in sync with getting the deliverance and it's your will for submission. Am I not being offensive to that person when I'm helping? If he or she reference, oh, he's trying to find fault in me and it's not necessarily like fault, but he or she might feel like you're directly putting the ownership on them. Yes. Yes. So because they would come to us seeking the help because they are not able to flee from whatever the addiction or the weakness. Yeah. Yeah. So see there's one scripture. This is Ephesians chapter four and verse 15. I'll just quickly read it for us. So it says, but speaking the truth in love may grow up in all things into him who is the head Christ. Speaking the truth in love. Now, if we consider a passage like first Corinthians 13, it says love rejoices in truth. Now coming to, you know, ministering to someone or letting someone know that there is a problem. Right. So when we are ministering, the easiest thing to do for us in our, you know, even in life, general relationships is if we find that there's some problem, you know, someone is doing some mistake. We either ignore it because if we bring it out, it might affect our friendship. Right. So we tend to just let it go. Let it go. Let it go. But what happens is especially in the relationship of let's say a mentor and a mentee, you know, like a master and a disciple as in scripture or like in the church context, like leadership and it is very important to guide people the right way. So sometimes it's difficult. We are speaking to them about a problem or a sinful habit or something. They won't take it well. That's a normal tendency. I mean, who wants to hear what problem, you know, we have. But the scripture says we have to do it. They may not take it well. Right. But we also have to learn how to put it across to them. And the Ephesians 4 15 says speak the truth in love, meaning in the nicest way possible in the most convincing way possible communicated. Right. Hopefully they listen. If they don't listen, can't help it. But we have to tell. So I mean, if we just cover up, no, it doesn't help the person. They'll keep moving forward with that destructive habits. Right. Sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Shani. Yeah, I have a question about the willingness for the person needs a person's will. So that means that the person, if you need their cooperation, they have to be in our right mind or at that point in their right mind. Sometimes the demon can possess fully or not. Sometimes they can be normal, kind of parchment manifested. I guess that they will have to be in their right mind if we need the cooperation. Right. Yes. Yeah. So there are two scenarios, Shani, when they are in their right mind, we can meaning they have the capacity to understand to an extent we can communicate. But if it's crossed that border, if it's crossed that level, then as a minister of God, we just have to take authority and minister by the power of the spirit. There's no question of any discussions. You just go in or, you know, powerfully and get the demons out. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Thank you. So that's a little bit about the willingness of the person. Now we also mentioned that when people make dedication sacrifices, what happens is there are symbols of dedication like people prefer to have maybe a chain or a thread or a ring or something on their bodies. They have a symbol and that indicates that this person has been dedicated to this God or some other God. So when we are ministering deliverance, it is always helpful to remove it. Right. And I think I told in the last class, it's better that they remove it. Otherwise, you know, I think in the days past, ministers of God were very forceful. They got away with forcefully doing things. But in our times, it doesn't work. Right. It may it may be understood differently. So better that we tell them, look, this symbol or this object on your body is actually allowing the demons to stay. So I'm going to pray for you, but you need to remove it. Are you willing to remove it? So wait for that person. They'll say, yes, I want the demons to leave. So then you tell them, okay, first you remove, then we'll pray like that. Right. Some family members also might be around. You can ask them also, are you willing? Can you help this person get it off? So they get it off and then pray. Yes. What about tattoos? Tattoos. Yeah. Tattoos. See, if there's something that has already been engraved on the body, it's difficult to remove. Isn't it? So I think just pray over it, break the dedication and forget it. It's a cross only. So if it's a cross. See cross or no cross, tattoo is a tattoo. No. I feel like, yeah, we can only pray and let it be. Okay. See the symbol in my mind, whatever symbol there is. Be clear about, you know, you don't put any engraved image on your body and things. Yeah. See coming from the Old Testament, we can even speak about- I'm just talking about myself only because I was very conscious of, you know, not to do it, but I still went ahead and it was like years back. Years back, yeah. See, you, when we did something like that, which is, I'm using the word irreversible with a good reason. I mean, you can't go in and get it out, right? If it's on your body. Just let it be. It's under the blood. You know what I mean? So it's in the past. Forget about it and move on with life. Yes. So there are some things that obviously you can't go and remove surgically. So we let that be. Other things are demons like to distract, get distract from the process of deliverance. So what does that mean? We are trying to remove, get the demon out, but the demon will be like, I want water. I want food. You know, I want something else. So then what happens? We as people, we start looking for that. We'll say, oh, bring water, bring this one, bring that one. The demon is asking for all these things. So don't get distracted. Just know that it is a, it is a tactic or it is a trick of the devil, right? So he doesn't want to come out. So he's making all these excuses. No, first you get me this food, then I will come out. Don't listen to all that. If the person needs some drink of water, we can understand that. But going and helping the demon, I mean, it's pointless, you know, to engage in these destructive activities. And apparently it's strange because sometimes even people who are vegetarian, right? So they may ask for non-vegetarian food and you're wondering how, how is this vegetarian person asking for non-vegetarian food? But it's the demons. They try to do all these dramas to distract us. So don't get distracted. Just keep coming back to the point of getting the demon out. Right? So there's again no point of sitting and serving the demon. And when it comes to talking to the demon, be strategic in the questions that are asked. Like, you know, Jesus also, who are you? Some questions like that. So how does it help? It will help us recognize the entry point. Sometimes demons may say, you know, my name is anger or my name is lust. They may say something like that. So it gives us an opportunity to shut that door. You know what I mean? So then it is helpful. So then we can ask a few such questions which are relevant, which may be helpful. So more than that, there may be no need to find out a lot of details, right? Because we also know that demons lie. They are very deceptive. So then if you sit and listen to the whole story, we don't know how much of it is true, how much of it is not true. So we can just stop them. Unfortunately, I think sometimes we see that there's a lot of this going on where people, when we cast out demons, they let the demons talk. So imagine there are five deliverance sessions and all the five the demons are talking to that one hour is full of demons talking, right? How is it edifying? It's not, it's not. So it's best to just ask a relevant question, deal with it, move on. Cast out the demon, move on. Next, next, next. Don't give too much of time to the demons to speak. And also depend on the Holy Spirit. We know that there is a gift of the Holy Spirit which is known as discerning, discerning of spirits. So nine gifts of the Holy Spirit when we read about it in 1 Corinthians chapter 12, there is one gift. That gift is called discerning of the spirits. So what does it mean? It means that the Holy Spirit can reveal whether demons are there or not there. Like basically we are able to either look into in the spiritual or we are able to know. So I'll just share with you one incident. There was this one boy who had some issues and it was very obvious that something is wrong, his behavior and everything. But he only came and asked. He said that I feel oppressed by demon spirits. Can some of you pray? And I remember this. It was our old Bible college and it had a nice hall. So what we did is a few of us from church, we decided we will pray for him here because we have sufficient place. So we told him, okay, you come on this day. We will pray and we'll see what the Lord does. And that day we started praying. We started praying and I think he had many demons. Many demons. So initially when we commanded the demons came out, but I was with this other person, another lady from church and I was really amazed how the Holy Spirit was working through her and was quite accurate. So when we finished casting out demons, I felt like it's done. He's fine now. But she went on. She's like, no, no, no. Can you not see there are three more? I'm like, where three more? How are you counting? Like how can you tell? She was able to see in the spirit, the gift of the Holy Spirit, right? So she's telling us there are three more. And one is like this and one is like that and all. We're like, oh really? But as we were casting out, it was quite true. They were coming out one by one. And so that was my first experience of someone operating in the gift of the Holy Spirit to cast out demons. Till that time I had not seen anyone doing that. But it's amazing how the Holy Spirit can actually show you this is, you know, this is there, that is there. And it was so accurate. So that is also something we can depend on. Isn't it? So the Holy Spirit can guide us. We can always pray. So it is good to pray in tongues, pray in tongues and be sensitive to the voice of the Holy Spirit. So then you are able to discern. Oh, there are more demon spirits. Don't stop praying. Continue. Continue. Continue. Or there is another some issue. Everything you will be able to figure out to get the demons out. So that is one incident. You know, I just thought you may relate to it. So, yeah, and there can be physical manifestations that can be very disturbing. I think I shared one story where there was a girl. She was, you know, doing all kinds of dance poses and she just didn't stop. She's going on for hours. Okay. It's so funny and so strange that somebody can behave like that. But obviously we knew it's a demon. And I don't know if I shared with your class, but a student that we went to pray for, maybe I did. I don't know. So this was a new student who had come in to Bangalore and, you know, as past as we sometime at that point, I used to visit the students. So I just went to visit one of the homes. There were our regular students from college, from church, and there's this new student also. And they said, Pastor, why don't you pray? I just started praying and the next thing I opened my eyes, she's moving like a snake on the floor. Okay. And I was so scared because that was my first experience and I'm all alone. I just got to visit, you know, a regular bunch of students whom I know. I didn't expect this to happen. And so, like, I mean, there are all these manifestations, but we should not get scared. Riding like a snake and hissing on the floor. But thankfully, you know, I understood that these are, this is a demon spirit. And some of the other students are also very strong in the Lord. Like, they used to come to church regularly. So they were with me. So I just told them, hey, pray in the spirit. Let's cast out this demon. So we may find that people start behaving strangely. Some manifestations, either the expression of the face or movement of the body or change in voice. You know, someone who is very polite and tone soft in their, you know, like the voice may suddenly speak very rude or loud or even a different voice. Don't let any of this scare you because what's happening is demons are manifesting. That's all. We don't have to be afraid of it. Don't get afraid. Okay. Let them do whatever they want. We should do what we need to do. Just take authority and start to minister to the person. So these kind of things may happen. We may find that they sometimes start forming in the mouth. Right. So there all these things happen. So just note that this is a demonic manifestation. That's it. Right. And go ahead and minister. And you know, even if these manifestations happen, it's important to note that not every time there will be a manifestation. Right. Each, each time there'll be no manifestation. Sometimes when we pray for people, there'll be no sign. Yeah, visible manifestation. Yeah. The person may just stand and be calm. That's it. So both situations are possible. Okay. Then, um, but we should not always look for a manifestation. You know, sometimes we like in the case of Jesus, we observe that the person fell down, they screamed, then the demon came out. Then when we are praying, we wait for that. Oh, when is, when will they scream or when will they fall? But there's no need to do that because each time they need not be a manifestation. Right. So if Holy Spirit is telling us that yeah, it's done, then you can move on. And also differentiate between the work of the Holy Spirit and work of the demon. So there are times when maybe we are praying. Right. We are praying. And the person says, I'm feeling very hot. I'm feeling very hot. That can be demonic. Right. If they are uncomfortable and they're feeling very hot and all, it can be demonic. But there are times when the fire of the Holy Spirit is upon them, which is a positive thing. But both times, what are they saying? I'm feeling hot. It's as if I'm burning. So which fire is it? Is it demon fire? Is it Holy Spirit fire? We need the Holy Spirit within us to differentiate. Right. So these are things. And you see, as a child of God, every single one of us will know what to do. We just have to flow with the Spirit when we are ministering. Alright. Fine. Now, the other thing that we have to differentiate is what we call a conditioned response. Conditioned response. What is that? See, in some places, people are so used to certain movements. For example, you know, if the preacher comes, then people just fall. Like if the preacher touches the believer, they fall. Now, whether they are falling by the power of the Spirit or is it a conditioned response? Conditioned response means they have seen the same thing all the time. And so, automatically, psychologically, they think, hey, even I'm supposed to fall. So you just fall. Right. So it can happen both ways. We may fall because the power of the Spirit touches us. But we may fall also because, you know, psychologically we let it happen. Okay. Similarly, there are other things. Things like shaking or, you know, screaming. Now, when we are ministering, we have to know, is it the demon or is it the person? So if it is the person, we can stop them. We can tell them, look, you don't have to shake or you don't have to scream. Just relax. Just relax. Otherwise, what happens? Because they associate demon possession with all these movements, they may start presenting a conditioned response. It may not necessarily be the demon. See, even after the demon is cast out, if the person is still shaking, it's the person, it's not the demon. Right. So all this understanding and differentiating as a minister, we need to, you know, become stronger in identifying these things or recognizing these things. Okay. Great. So yeah, these are all just like some practical things. For us, please feel free to ask questions. I know many of us come from settings where we've seen demons being cast out. So if there are questions you can ask. Is there a question here in class? Not yet. Okay. We'll go to Shani and then we'll come back here. Shani, you have something? Yeah, I have a question in terms of, I know it's going back into the person's role in this. Like what if, because I know demons can change your voices, but what if, since we need somebody's will, what if we don't really know what is them or if it is the demon? Because what if we don't know the person, we just met them and they're, you know, we don't know their voice. So, but we need their wellness. What do we do in that situation? And then the other question that I have is that, I know you said that we have to ask like, what kind of, what is the name of the demon? Like is it anger or lust? What is the point? I think you said it, I'm trying to figure out what is the point of knowing? Is this so that we can, because I know you said to shut the door on it, so that if we know if there's a demon of anger, we can say we cast the demon of anger. Like what is the point of kind of knowing? Because I know you said this should have down, but how do we really do that? Okay. Fine, Shani. Shani, the first one, the first question, I didn't quite get it. So you're saying the will of the person and the changing the voice. So like what exactly is the question? Yeah, like we don't know the, we don't really know the person, we don't know the person, we don't know their voice. Sometimes demons can change their voices. So we don't know if it's the person's voice or the demon if we're trying to ask them for permission. Because if we don't really know their voice, because can a demon be calm too and try to deceive you? That's what I'm saying, because we need their will, but we're not sure if they're in their, I guess right mind or not, but if we're not really sure, because you said it's not a demon can change your voices. Yes, yes. So anyway, I get where you're coming from. So you're saying how will we know if it is that person's voice or not because we are meeting them for the first time. But at least we can, we will have that sense of something is not normal. We may not know their voice, but the way they speak and all, we may understand that it's not normal. So I guess that way we can discern that something wrong is happening. I hope that answers your question. Yeah, yeah. I guess from the other side, whether or not, you know, like asking the wheel. Yeah, go ahead. Right. And your second question, Shani. It was the second question you were saying that you have to ask their names. Like is it a demon? Yes. And you said you closed the door on it. What's the point of the accident? How do you close the door? Do you say demon of anger? I mean, what do we do? Sure. So when we ask the question, like what is your name, you know, and the demon says something, then what happens is we can like, let's say if it says lust, right? We can maybe inquire a little bit more. If not during the session of deliverance, at least after that, when we are counseling the person, we can always ask like, hey, what's going on? And they may share of certain habits or, you know, certain sinful thoughts. So we can connect it, Shani. And it helps us that way to counsel them and to help them be free of that particular, you know, influence. I guess it's better to ask them after the demons cast out then, because you were saying ask more questions whether possessed. I don't know what you would ask more. Is it best to ask them afterwards? We can know how to counsel them to help them. Yeah. So we can ask them while we are in the deliverance session. So while casting out, we are asking, we can either address it in the session or post the session. That can be done either time. You're on mute. Is that okay, Shani? Okay, I'm guessing that's fine. But it could also be that they don't have to necessarily respond to our question. In the sense, it's unlikely that they would say, what is the demon? It could also be in a language or anything like a sound where we don't understand anything when we ask or seek a response. Yeah. But you know something, I mean, again, I don't have experience in this but I do believe it. Okay. So I have heard that when we speak, we charge the demon or command the demon in the name of Jesus. You know, the authority that it carries, usually in deliverance is where you actually see it. Okay. So somebody was casting out demons and when they finished casting out, they felt like it's not yet done. Right? So this person, I heard this testimony now again. Don't ask me. I can't check and tell you. But what they said is, after casting out and when they felt like it was over, they just asked a question. Are you still there? In the name of Jesus, I command you to speak up if you are still there and the demon started speaking because when you command, it carries authority and demons have to bow to that authority. So there's incredible authority and people who have experienced deliverance sessions can tell us that really the demonic world trembles at the name of Jesus. Right? So it's powerful and when it comes to demons speaking up, you said, what if they speak in another language? This again, I can't verify to you but it's strange because a person who may be, let's say they speak only a local language. Right? They speak some local language. You might find that they are speaking English very fluently because demons know all human languages. So don't worry about language and translation. They can respond. Yeah. I mean, I know it's strange, but that's the reality. They can speak back in any language. Yeah. I have a question. Yes. I put it there. I said, refusing for prayers anytime, when we know that the person needs deliverance and we deliberately refuse every time. Is that manifestation? Not necessarily, sister. If they are refusing to take prayer, that could be their own will. But sister, you know, because whenever, for somebody I'm asking, whenever we used to call the pastor, the person is not available because he knows the pastor has come and when he leaves, only that person will come in the house. We wait for the pastor to leave. See, there can be an influence of demons So, I think a good way to approach this situation is to personally meet with them and find out. It could either be a demon influence or it can be the will of the person only. So both are possible. Okay, sister. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Thank you, sister Ghatur and Shani. I'll come back to you after the break if that's okay with you. We'll just take a break now. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. See you all soon in 10 minutes.