 Welcome to the show. I have notes with me, your host for this episode. I'm Issa Badiola. I mix that up. I mix that order up. It's fine. This is natural. Welcome to the show. I have notes where us in RT Innovation come together, hang out with a bunch of friends, and we talk about animation, creative industry, and megazords. I am Issa. I said this already. And joining me today, I have very special people. Thanks for laughing, Jordan. I'm not Carrie. Hi. Issa, you know that intro is probably the best one so far. Oh, thank you. Also, with us is Joshua Kazemi. Yeah. Hello. Welcome back. Thank you. Thanks for having me back. And Hannah McCarthy, making her debut. Hello. It's me. First time viewer, long time fan. Just happy to be here. Wow. First time attendee, not viewer. I just wrong word. I've watched episodes. Hannah faded into view, and I was like, wow. How unpleasant. That's what everybody wants to see. It's just Hannah fading into view. Literally, I just, when I was asked if I could be, I was like, I literally just want an hour to talk to Issa and Jordan. Yeah. Just let me have that time. Of course you're not. Yeah. Put me in, coach. I just want to talk to them. But they should just start. Yeah. We should just start booking time where there's a free hour when people can hang out. I mean, we have designated social time. Unlike, what is it? Like Wednesday or something? Wednesday and Friday? Wednesday and Friday. But that's with a big group. We should just do like smaller group ones. Yeah. We were in a meeting like an hour and a half ago. The meeting was an hour, but it ended at about 30 minutes. But then we were just talking for about 25 minutes. Went a little off the rails. There was piano playing. Oh, yeah. That's true. Oh, you guys should have been to one of the meetings before that, because Noelle started off very strong by talking about cheese. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, Hannah, you don't know this. OK, I'd love to tell the story. No. I've known about his cheese thing for years, by the way. What do you have in the Wells cheese thing? So he, I think it was like Maggie went in and went, sorry. I feel like I was interrupting a conversation. And Austin Harper goes, no, we were just talking about dogs and cheese. And Noelle comes in as he does, unmutes himself, and says, yo, I got some opinions about cheese. Everyone is like, all right, Noelle, go ahead. And he goes, I think it is totally fine. It's totally acceptable if you eat cheese with something else. But if you eat cheese on its own, you're a sociopath. What? Yeah. Doesn't eat cheese by itself. And so multiple people? Are we talking like a big hunk of cheese and just taking a bite out of it? Like an apple? Yeah, just cheese on its own, period. Like a slice of cheese? Like on a charcuterie board, like little cheese slices. He's not down with, he's not down with string cheese, nothing like that. No cheese on its own. God, I wish Noelle would just pop in unannounced right now. I wish. She's to defend herself. And the center to defend herself, yeah. Cheese senses are tingling somewhere right now. We're going to have them on eventually. And I'm just going to bring it up again so we can be like, Noelle, please start the cheese debate. I need to hear him explain it. Yeah, I mean, I think he sounds like a sociopath. Yeah. Yeah, he's projecting for sure. He's not projecting. And they were like, what if you add like two different cheeses together and eat those? Is that the same thing? And I don't feel like we got a straight answer. Oh, you know why? Because he's invasive. Yeah, because he made this up on the spot. Yeah, he doesn't really have a stance. It was the funniest thing because it was like a Google meets equivalent of several people are typing, like the moment he said that. And like every other thing he added on it. Yes, it really did. We talked about cheese for quite some time. Oh my gosh. Honestly, I get it. Several people are typing thing reminded me of our like fun conversation we had yesterday in our I Have Notes topic sheet. I was in there adding some stuff for today's show. And then ESA also popped in and was like watching me type. And she was like, oh, yeah, I was going to talk about this or something like typing that in. This is weird conversation where we're just typing things out as they happen. In like the body of the document? Yes. Yeah, that's awesome. I was like, get out of here, ESA. And then she was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. In front of the type. Exactly. And then. Oh my god, that's so good. She was like typing something out. And like, I knew where it was going and I just typed no. Just real time, just absolute real time. Oh, gosh, brutal. It was a fun conversation. It was like better than texting. Honestly. Because you have to wait for people. In this case, you just see them typing out, I have an opinion. And someone goes, no, shut that down. You two were like back in the old times before you all were like desk mates. Yes. Would you have actual conversations or would you like slack next to each other? Both the column A and B. Depends what we want to hear the conversation. There would be a point where I think things would happen and I'd look at Jordan and then I'd start typing. So he would know. Well, she would be in this position. Here's the keyboard. She would be like this. And then I would like. That's how it went. Wow. Real interaction. Well, hello, everyone. Good to see everyone here. Hannah, this is your first time on I have notes. I'm thrilled. I'm excited. I'm nervous. I'm nervous every time I have to talk. Well, I'm going to ask you to talk some more. Could you please tell everyone what you do as a job and what your day-to-day is like? Great question. Fun fact about me, it's a running joke at the company. My job changes every six months. It keeps it fresh and exciting. My job right now, my current title, is creative director. I don't have a specialty like a lot of people. I'm just kind of a gun for hire amongst the Rooster Teeth folks. I kind of help out wherever needed. So as a creative director, I'm just kind of a resource to a variety of our different teams in development, in production. And my day-to-day changes every single day because it really depends on I work on lots of different kinds of projects. And most of those projects are in varying states of development production, post-production. And it really varies. But it's a lot of meetings now that we are remote. So there's a lot of Google calls, a lot of reading through documents, pitch materials, scripts, and a lot of just talking to wonderful creative geniuses like you three. Oh, hand. That's my day-to-day. Yeah. Thanks for the compliment. Thank you. Yeah. I mean it. You guys are great. You're great. And you're also the voice of Faze. Oh, yes. That's also a thing that is a thing. Still don't understand it how it happens. But that's a thing. I'm Faze in RVV0, which I'm very excited, so excited for people to see. It was very simple for us. Your audition was the best one. So that's how it happened. That's how it's true. Oh, gosh. Just baffling. Have you ever done any voice acting before, or have you just taken a shot? None. I'd never done any before. And it was that Jeb messaged me out of the blue when I think they had. I think they'd already sent out their call for auditions. I did not submit. Because I was like, oh, me? This voice? No. Hey, guys. Hey, guys. I went all over the place. And I was like, this monstrosity of a voice? Absolutely not. And Jeb reached out. And I think he, I don't know if he was just saying this, but he said that Torian had asked, if I would be interested in auditioning. Because I think Torian really wanted to have people from lots of different parts of the company and really go back to those roots of let's get a bunch of people who are doing this for the first time, getting really excited about it. And I was like, if you want me to, I will. But I have no background in this whatsoever. And so I did, I recorded the characters they gave me to try and then sent those in. And then they asked me to come in to do an in-person read, which is where I met Josh. It was great. I was like, he's really getting to meet me in my anxious prime, where I was completely full throttle anxiety the entire time. And I also, I had met Torian before, but only very briefly. And we did that. And Torian basically was like, yeah, it's you. You're going to be phased. And I was like, you don't want to take the weekend. Think about that. You want to take time. Yeah, I was like, surely he's not going to do this right now. Like, surely he needs to go assess some choices. And he was very like, I don't understand what you don't understand. You're doing this now. And I was like, I didn't know this would happen this way. So I panicked. And then I think multiple times was like, Noelle, it's not too late. It's not too late to cancel me. But it was also because I went into those readings blind. I didn't know anything about the characters they had me reading for. And I thought for sure I wasn't going to be phased because she's so cool. And I was like, I'm a huge dork. I do not sound intimidating whatsoever. And when I, especially the more time that went on, and Torian shared some of the animatics and stuff he was doing with her, and I got to read more of the scripts, I was like, they've made a huge mistake. They're going to regret this. She's too cool for me. I conned them. So yeah, it's been very fun to, that's completely new to me. It's a completely new experience and part of my time here that I've never had before. And it's been really amazing getting to work with Torian and Noelle and Josh and see all the passion and love they're putting into that project. And we're all obsessed with it. Like everybody who works on it is fully obsessed with it. So I'm really excited for people to get to see it. Yay. Yeah. That's exciting. When did you start here? Was it like 2016? 2003, I was in a garage. You know, I'm kidding. No, Hannah. No, no, not me. I started, I believe, in 2016. I had my four-year mark in September. Oh, OK. Yeah. Hannah, you do other creative stuff, too, right? I remember. I'm going to put you on blast again. Oh, no. Oh, no. Finalist, quarter finalist for a screen rating script contest. Yes. I thought, how? You've done your research. Oh, god. It's like hot one. I didn't know this was an interrogation. No, yes, I did. I submitted for a screenwriting fellowship because I love writing. I love storytelling. That's honestly what I love about my job here and just, in general, is getting to work on stories with different people and different creatives. And so writing was something I've always loved doing. But didn't really, I didn't have any training or education in it. I didn't go to film school. I didn't study screenwriting. It was not something that my school had. I went to a small liberal arts college. And so I studied creative writing, but I didn't really have much education in that. And so it was something I just started self kind of teaching in the last couple of years. I mean, just from reading things other people have done. And obviously storytelling was something I always loved. But I wrote my first screenplay, my first feature a couple of years ago. And I just refined it and worked on it. And it was very, is very probably the worst thing to pick as your first feature because it's like deeply personal and based on my own experiences in college. But so it was very much too close to any negative critique of it. I was like, oh, God, they hate me personally as a human because they don't like this one thing. So yeah, that was fun. But yeah, I finally worked up the kind of courage in the last year to start subinning to things. And it was really interesting to just start getting feedback from people who knew me because my friends, I'm always like, well, you have to be nice to me because you're my friend. You have to say it's nice. So yeah, I do love writing. I am constantly bombarding, again, not to make everything go back to RVB. But I'm like, Josh, Noel, I have all these questions. I have all these thoughts. I feel so deeply for all these characters. Let's talk about it constantly. And it was awesome. It was so awesome. At one point, we were like, Hannah's right. We need to punch some of this stuff up. No, no. It's because you guys did such a good job like building these characters. And it's something I love. Same thing with Arsall. I've been obsessively talking to Issa and Josh about that as well. I think the thing that I really love about storytelling is you become so just empathetically attached to, if it's a well-written story, if it's a story that resonates, you care about the characters. And that's really what matters. And so when you have these characters like Arsall and the characters in Red vs. Blue where you're really invested in them, I grew up in fandom. So I just go, let me live here. Let me think about this constantly. So that's what I love about writing and storytelling is you get to build these worlds, play in these sandboxes. And ideally, share them with other people, get to work on it with other people I think is super fun. I'm ranting. Amen. Man. You're ranting, but we're all green. Yeah, it's true. That's how Hannah ends all of her, like, I do. She just goes, I'm ranting. And it's like, it's OK, Hannah. I'm sorry, I'm talking. We're listening. Yeah. You talk too much. You have us in thrall. Well, storytelling, well, Hannah. A storyteller who talks too much. Oh. Gosh. So on our topic sheet, oh, I remember. This was one of the things that Jordan and I were talking about in real time. Disney canceled the theatrical release for Soul. So it's going to premiere in Disney Plus in December, December time. But it's not going to be $30, like Mulan. Mulan, yeah. So what do you think happened there? I briefly talked to Jordan about this because I was like, oh, I have so many, so many thoughts. And one of them is like, I feel bad for Soul. Because I think Disney gave itself its own bad strategy and said, oh, we can't do that anymore. That strategy didn't work. We clearly didn't make any returns on Mulan. And it's just like, I don't know. Maybe because Mulan might have been bad. So. Yeah, I don't think anybody was clamoring to spend $30 on Mulan. Like, that's the thing too. Because it's just like, why would you want to ask? Or why would you think that the audience would be willing to pay another expensive premium on a movie that they think they want to keep forever, even though they don't know if they like the movie enough to keep forever? I will spend $5 to rent Soul for a day on Disney Plus, on top of what we pay for Disney Plus subscriptions. But if this is how Disney's going to react to the whole subject subscription premium basis thing, I'm like, I don't know. I think you just did a bad strat. Yeah, it really doesn't. It doesn't make any sense to me to pay $30 to have access to it in a program that you're already paying a monthly subscription for. Just put it on Apple movies or whatever. Put it on the digital market space and pay for it that way, like, it really is confusing. And yeah, if they had done this first with Soul, I probably would have been stupid enough to pay $30. And probably would have worked. Is there a movie out there that you would have paid for? Like, people talked about Black Widow being one of those movies. I would have paid $30 for In the Heights. Oh, yeah. The Lin-Manuel, the musical. Musical, yeah. I would pay $30 for that. Yeah. But not move on. I would have done that for Hamilton, for sure. That's a good point. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, sorry, go ahead, Jordan. No. You talk. No, no, no. Would you pay for cheese? No. Would you pay for what? Would you pay for cheese? I heard we were talking about cheese. Is that the no-show? Where is he? Get out of here. I heard we were talking cheese. What's the situation? Someone brought Noelle. Is Noelle in the V-Mix right now, too? I just can't believe it. Sam, you did this. I know how to explain yourself. Crafty Noelle. Oh, my god. Am I in? Oh, Sam, I'm in. I'm coming in. I feel like a wrestler. I feel like a wrestler. Come here. Oh, my god. It's John Cena. Oh, my god. So what is this I hear? Because I heard someone was talking about cheese, and I heard a little birdie tell me we were talking cheese. You're the one talking about cheese. We need to hear this cheese rationale. It's not from the top. So, OK, from the top. OK, from the top. So how it works is scientifically, mathematically, alphabetically, chromatically, chronologically, if you eat cheese with anything else, whether it be like with crackers, with some salami, pastrami, with some macaroni, whatever. As long as you eat cheese with something else, it's good. It's OK in my book. But good how? Good as in it's morally and ethically correct. Now, if you eat cheese by itself, I think I swear I've read several pieces of literature on this matter, I think. And if you eat cheese by itself. He wrote. Yes, that I personally wrote. I know Al. If you eat cheese by itself, I swear sociopathic tendencies you need to be looked after. Don't trust you. So that's my that's my stance on cheese. Don't eat it by itself. That's weird. Don't don't do that. What's your stance on like string cheese? Oh, terrible, terrible. OK, that's like string cheese with. That's intended to be or like those little are they baby bells? You know what they're talking about? Oh, baby bell. Even worse, even worse. Even more sketchy. Because why? I don't eat those, but I'm still curious. It's not a sociopath. It's in a weird wax thing. Can't trust that. Can't trust any of it. What? It tastes so gross. That's what cheese comes in, Noel. Tastes so gross. But then I can't trust it either. Again, as soon as you take it out of the wax and then you eat it with something else. But if you eat it by itself, can't trust you voting. What about wine and cheese? Wait, what about OK, so wine and cheese fine. As long as there's an and or an ampersand, you're choosing. You're choosing water. Cheese and coke. Yeah, any cheese and cheese. I think I think well, cheese and wine. I think that's cultural. I think that's like a sign of like your sophisticated, right? So I think that's OK. I think that I think that's fine. But just cheese and wine starts to. You start to get a little shaky. Yeah, now you're cop. They're coffee on the ratio. Like what if you have like like chips and into into queso? And it's mostly cheese that you know, see, that's fine. That's fine because the thing is you're still using that chip as like a as a tool or even as like a vessel to a vehicle. Yeah, exactly. OK, transport. It's for it's great. Except with wine. And so wine is good. Sam said it best, though. Sam said it best. He said that it's about balancing out of these flavors. So cheese by itself is just too much, just too much. But if you if you eat it with something or if you enjoy it with something else, balances out really rounds it out. It's ethically acceptable. Just turn that up. Just ethically acceptable. This is a TED talk. Cheese, cheese. Just eat it with some slide, please. What was there an incident that spurred this particular? Yeah, who hurt you? Which cheese hurt you? Are you lactose intolerant? I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, like maybe if I eat like I don't know an entire pizza by myself, then that's too much for my own body. I think most people would just get sick of it. I was going to say, it's like, is it the cheese that's the problem when you eat the pizza or is it everything else? That's fair, that's fair. But the thing is, the thing that I think is always funny is every time I go to an event with other people because I rarely go out, everyone always tries to get me to eat cheese by itself. And I just can't do it. To me, maybe it's just the fact that my taste buds just hate eating cheese. Like by itself, I can't name a cheese that I eat that I'm just like, oh, this is amazing. I'll just eat a lot of this. So that's my- Well, you know, that's fine, Noelle. It's just you don't have to like throw other people. It's just- You don't have to call them so serious. They're there where it is. They can be trusted. I can't- That's the thing. I can't trust them to care about other people. Empathy. It's just cheese. It's just cheese. This isn't- This is a bold leap because I'm like, here's the thing. I can't think of a lot of times where I've just eaten cheese by itself. Like to Jordan's part, like you take a bite out of an apple the way you just like chew into a hunk of cheddar. And that's why I trust you, Hannah. And that's how I knew. That's how I knew you were gonna be phased. That's how I knew. Because I was like, I knew it. Does phase eat cheese by itself? Oh, she can't- She doesn't like- Josh and Josh, she wrote some stuff. She doesn't like cheese. She doesn't like fruit. She doesn't like- It's true. There's some cannon stuff we get into. Oh my God. Oh, that's good. That was it. That was all I had. I don't know how to exit this. Do I just duck at it? Just do like a- We'll return your life. We'll kick you out. Yeah, just like- Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Thanks, Noelle. Whisked away by the cheese gods. Bye, Mom. He's crazy. Oh, my God. In all his cheese fanaticism, I love it. He- Say what you will about his stance. He believes it at it. Yeah. It is like Hamilton. Where Hamilton voted for the person that he didn't agree with, but it was because he believed in something. Yeah, if it came down- Yeah, that's right. If it came down between Noelle and Aaron Burr. Noelle has beliefs. Well. And it doesn't have to be politically. Like, he just has cheese beliefs, and that's enough for Alexander Hamilton. He will take a stand, whether the stand is valid or justified. He has one. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Sam, Tyler, and Mike for coordinating that. Well, we're- Yeah, I see the slacks now. Yeah, me too. Oh, no. I had my notifications off. Yeah. I just kept getting pinged, and I was like, what is this? I don't know. I should just keep doing the show. Yeah, yeah. I think it can wait. Well, I don't remember what we were talking about, but I'm looking forward to watching Soul. Whoa. That's true, yeah. Yes. Hannah was in the middle of a thought, and then Noelle went, are we talking about cheese? I said, yeah. But that's okay, Noelle. It's totally fine. I think I was gonna say, I think we were talking about just the price. I was gonna say, I think that what I had heard when that decision came out about the cost for Mulan, was that someone was saying it was they were extrapolating, well, generally like breaking down the cost of like a family going to the movies. Yes. It would be, you know, $40 for a family, like more than $40, I guess, for a family. Not for me, I have draft house season pass, so I see that. Well, not everyone has that. That's paying off for you right now. That's, yeah. They were gracious enough to pause for everyone. Me too, I appreciate it. But I think that was the idea of like most of what they were anticipating was like people who would see that in theaters are, they're banking on like families with kids, and if they're giving you a rental for it, they're anticipating more than one person is going to watch it, so they want, but again, is that the right strategy? I don't think so. Yeah, it comes down to as well, how do you quantify like people watching everything else they put on there that was made specifically for that platform, like the Mandalorian? Like that whole family that was also watching the Mandalorian, does it really break down to $5 a month or whatever it is, you know? Like, I don't know. It seems like those scales are like totally off with putting it on there. I don't think there, I didn't hear any other explanation for why they would, they did it that way. I think they're just trying to, I think they're just throwing darts at the wall and seeing what happens. That's a valid, I think part of it too is just like Mulan cost so much money. Yes. You know, like they're trying to see if there's any way they can just like kind of make it even, or break even on that one. And it was $30. I mean, they're also losing money. They're also losing money. Everywhere else. Yeah. I think it was a big mistake for them to tell us when it was gonna be on Disney Plus for free. You know? Like that it was gonna come out in December for everybody if you didn't buy it early. I was like, oh, well then I'm gonna wait. I can wait a couple more months for Mulan. Yeah, yeah. We're in quarantine for like, we can wait. Yeah, it's nice to have something to look forward to. Yeah, yeah. Three months, that's like a week in quarantine time. In quarantine time. It just flies. Time in is an illusion, guys, remember? We talk about this a lot. A lot of people talk about it a lot recently. Do you wanna talk about your Haunting of Bly Manor show that you watched? Oh, have you guys watched Haunting of Bly Manor? No. I wanna start tonight actually. I thought Josh is like excited little like, yes. I want to, I loved it the first season. It was so good. Okay, I'm scared. And I'm really in the house. Hannah, did you watch? No, cause I'm scared. She's scared. She's scared. I saw like one clip of like the long take, I think in the first season. Oh yeah. And I did not watch the show. I think I read a summary of one of the spookies. I'm not gonna say it, cause I don't know what's considered to boil it even though there's like a second season out. Yeah. About a particular female spooky in the first season. Spooky. I don't know if there are that many cause I didn't watch it. But I had nightmares just from reading about the spooky. Oh my God. I literally had night, I couldn't sleep and I didn't watch the show. So that tells you what kind of baby I am. Uh-huh. Where did have you watched the haunting stuff? No, I am also not a horror spooky guy. I like spooky comedy, like my favorite horror movies, Cabin in the Woods, along that movie. Oh yes. It's a great movie. Hannah is saying the word spooky over and over in spookies. I'm sorry. It just reminded me of the show on HBO, Losus Spookies, which is a great show. Oh that looks hilarious. That show is very good. I highly recommend that. Are you spooky? Cause I didn't know if like even saying what things were in the first, I don't know what's considered spoilers. Ghost? Is that, who's to say? Who's to say? Just a sputting, that's what that means, right? Spooky. Could be a ghoul. Could be a goblin. The spooky is all encompassing as well. Ghoul hot? Okay. I don't know. Who's to say? Who's to say? So valid points all around. I am not into horror as well, but I think the biggest thing about The Haunting of Hill House, which is the first series of this like anthology that they have going on, it was so highly rated or like really talked about amongst a lot of people because a lot of people kind of equated it to like, even people who don't like horror will actually have something to like about Haunting of Hill House. Okay. Because it's a cross genre horror. It's not just like horror, it's like drama. It is about this family, you know, like you've heard the spiel, Haunting of Hill House. It's really good. I have watched so many video essays on it because I'm the person, I mentioned this like online. I am the person who like, if I know I'm not gonna watch something, I will watch a video essay on it. So I can just like give myself that summary, but still be in the know. What did you do that for like recently? And I was telling you, just watch the thing. I want you to watch the thing. There's, there were so many things because I was right next to you. I know, I'm so sorry. I think in general, it was Game of Thrones. Like you'd never watch Game of Thrones. Yeah, cause I would watch Jonathan from the Queer Eye. He would, he did Gay of Thrones. Like he would have like his own recap episodes of Game of Thrones. Those are funny. If you watch Game of Thrones, then you're watching Game of Thrones. It seems like Ysua would beg to differ. Funny without watching it. Oh yeah, that's right. I would watch this YouTube channel, New Rockstars, cause they would be like, I have a breakdown of every Game of Thrones episode. And Jordan would be like, just watch Game of Thrones. And they're pointing out stuff I did. I would, I would not have noticed. So that was me. I don't know why this is more enjoyable. That was me in Haunting of Hill House. I actually ended up watching a Haunting of Hill House like the last like week or two. And I, I hate spookies, but I wouldn't mind. Of any kind. Of any kind. And every time I knew a spooky would happen because they were very good with, they're like, with like ramping up kind of that terror and tension. I would just look at my embroidery and start embroidering aggressively more. And I would just go, let's carry into my embroidery while I'm watching with my ESO. And so we ended up watching Bly Manor. And since like no one else here has really watched it. So I'm not really going to talk about it beyond like the, what we're talking about in terms of Hill House. And also it's, it's spooky time. It's time to talk about spooky stuff. Josh, I don't know if this is going to color your opinion of it. Oh man, just rewatch Hill House. Oh, okay. All right. So honestly, that's what I wanted to do. Is that you really want to watch the first season? Yeah. Okay, good to know. Well, so we have very rank opinions. And I say rank because I usually use the term onions as opinions. So my onions are very strong. Are your onions going to make me cry? No, they'll make you, they'll make you, maybe they'll make people who like Bly Manor cry. Oh, interesting. Because we didn't like Bly Manor. And you finished it? We finished it. Okay. All right. It was, we were hoping, like in the first episode we were like, okay, how do we feel about this? And then we were kind of waiting for things. And then at the end we were like, oh, we, we didn't like it. So. This was a waste of time. But it was a really interesting show to talk about in terms of why we didn't like it. Because. Well, sometimes that's just as valuable. Like entertainment out of that. There one thing that we kept talking about was how we kept comparing it to Hell House. And when we were talking about it at first, like amongst each other, we're like, is it fair to really do that comparison because their anthologies, like it's different. Like it's a different story and stuff. But then after a certain point, I was like, no, I think we have to start comparing it because Hell House really set a standard for like what a cross genre horror can be. And I feel like a lot of people, I know that are into spooky stuff and horror stuff, they will watch like horror movies and they'll be like, oh, that was okay. And it was because it might not have been scary enough for them to think, oh, that's so scary. Like I have an emotional response. And instead they kind of concentrate on all the other unfortunate failings of the movie. Like, oh, the plot was like, all right. Cause it wasn't scary enough. Or, oh, the characters didn't really make any sense, but cause it wasn't scary enough. So if you have enough scary that might be good enough for you to forget every bad thing. So, lesson learned. You just weren't scared. Maybe that means I should watch that season. Yeah, right. Maybe that's an endorsement for me. Whenever you hear it, just like, just look down and be like, it's scary, don't look. And then you'll know when it passes. I'm kind of glad though, that you didn't like it because the thing I wanted to talk about is something I like a lot. Cause I think I found the show of the year. Whoa, for 2020. And Hannah, you're going to be very excited about this because that show is a show called Ted Lasso. Yes. Josh and I are the first. Josh, watch it too. Josh, you're watching too? I love Ted Lasso. Josh, I literally wanted to start a Ted Lasso fan club at Rooster Teeth. We were like, we are number one fans. We called the Greyhounds. Love it. It's so good. This is one of the things Jordan and I were, I was like, all right, Jordan, sell me. Well, I was like, I would. Now 3v1, 3v1. So the things I want to talk about, and this plays into how the show itself works. This show should not be good. Nobody should, yeah, nobody should want to watch the show and nobody, the show should be bad. But so if you're not familiar, the character Ted Lasso is a character from NBC Sports Network's promos for the English Premier League when NBC got the rights. They would do these commercials where Jason Sudeigas plays this character named Ted Lasso who is a American football coach who gets hired by a Premier League team to coach soccer. And it's just jokes about how he doesn't understand the rules of soccer and so if he doesn't know what offside is, he didn't know that you could tie games and stuff. And when those commercials were coming, I was like, oh yeah, this is kind of funny, whatever. And now seven years later, they come out with a show based on an NBC property coming out on Apple TV, produced by Warner Brothers Television. It shouldn't make any sense or anything, but the show is very good and very wholesome and it's exactly what we need in 2020. So his whole thing is kind of like, everybody treats the character who's this very optimistic, kind of like golly G, like, you know, I'm gonna do my best no matter what. He, you know, everyone is immediately skeptical and he wins everyone over by just being himself and that's what the show does as well. So in some ways, it had to be Ted Lasso and it had to be this like skepticism that everybody is presented with and then the show wins you over, like he wins everyone in the show over as well. It is partly created and adapted by Bill Lawrence. Who did Scrubs in Cougar Town. And probably some other stuff that I don't remember. Zach Braff directs an episode, which is pretty interesting. But the show is, the show is great. I watched all 10 episodes. My wife doesn't even care about soccer. I love soccer, but like she doesn't care. And she loved the show. So highly recommend, I think it's the show of the year. Super positive and like, and it's just so nice. And there's a bit where like every morning he brings the owner of the club. Oh yeah, the biscuits. And she loves them so much. And she's like trying to figure out where he's getting them. But it turns out like at the end of the episode, it's real that he's just making them for her. That's so sweet. But that recipe is online and Holly made some and they're pretty good. Whoa. It just takes it away. Jordan is so prepared. Oh my God. Like that like one cut he did. Oh man. It's amazing. Show of the year. I shut that up earlier. No, I haven't. I'm just gonna do a hot one. You're really excited. Gosh, gosh. Wow. You're really excited. I was like you, Hannah and Josh, the recipe for you. Yes. Please. Thank you. God, seriously. Yeah, it's an absolute delight. Yeah. It's just so- It's on Apple TV, right? Apple TV Plus, yeah. Yeah, Apple TV Plus. And all 10 episodes are out. Just get a free trial if you don't have it. Just knock it out. You can knock it out in like two days at most. Yeah, it's a super easy, fun watch. And I think I was talking to, I forget who I was talking to about it, but I was saying that what I love about it is he is basically Paddington in human form and everybody knows how obsessed I am with Paddington. Oh my God. And it's really fascinating from like, if you wanna talk about from like a character study perspective, he's a type of character. I feel like you don't see that often. And that's not to say he won't change, but at least in his first season. He's really like a flat art character. He really doesn't change as a person. He's kinda affecting everyone else. The people around him. Exactly, which is exactly how Paddington is, where Paddington comes into the context of the story with a set of ideals and morals and a perspective and is challenged by everyone around him. And ultimately he holds fast to those ideas and perspectives and the people around him are influenced in a positive way by him. And Ted Lasso is very much the same. And I feel like you don't see that very often. And particularly, maybe I'm wrong, but like particularly with characters that are like older characters, like I just, it's really interesting the way they write his character where you're not expecting him. There's no like, there's no ounce of cynicism directed at him for being this person and it's really refreshing. He has other things going on in his life that are like revealed in the first episode and stuff that it's like, how are you always so positive? But you know, like as you go on, like you learn more about him and like, you know, he's just, he's just a good coach. It does a good job of building out the tertiary characters too. Like, even the characters. You start loving all of the other characters too. Yeah, you're like, I love this football team and I want them to be successful. I would die for Sam. And Danny Rojas. I know. It's really sweet. And I think it's great because they, they explore lots of different types of personalities and a lot of different ways of dealing with conflict. Kind of what you get as a coach, you know, or like a manager, you, it's a bunch of different personalities coming together that you need to manage and inspire, you know, and you gotta tackle them in different ways. And it's a bunch of people from all over the world coming together from different backgrounds and they got different personalities and you know, how do they clash and stuff? Like the two main player characters, like they just hate each other so much. But even then there's like really great examinations of like how they interact with each other and why they have the animosity that they have. And you know, it's interesting the characters, the journeys of the main journeys you get to see of character development are in these kind of side characters. And even like, there's only really two primary female characters in the show. It's a men's football team, so it's not that hard to, you know, expect. But I love both of those female characters so much. And I love their relationship that they have. The relationship is so good, so good. And it could have easily been something entirely different. And the way they build them together is just so wonderful. And Juno Temple is just delightful. Yeah, yeah. She's great. I could literally talk about it forever. So, Issa, you have to watch it. Even though it's a show about a soccer manager managing his soccer team in England, you're gonna like it. I really think you will, it's really great. So I am actually curious, Josh, how did you come across Ted Lasso? It's the Bill Lawrence of it all. I love Scrubs a lot. I really liked Spin City, the show he did before that with Michael J. Fox. And because Bill has this commitment in his sitcoms to be like, we'll do big, broad comedy, but we're also gonna try to make you cry at the same time. And he did that really well in Scrubs because it took place in a hospital. It just lended itself to that really well. But that's the thing he did really well in Ted Lasso. It's really funny and really broad at times, and it's about football. But almost every episode brought me to tears at some point or another, especially like that last episode. The last episode. So beautiful and heartwarming. It's like this giant warm hug that we all need in 2020. And yeah, it's just, it's so good. And y'all said so many good things about it. It's like, yeah, to echo everything y'all said, it's just like this beautiful warm hug we all need. Oh, I think it's so, everything else is so cynical. Having something that's like wholesome and positive is like so desperately needed. Yeah, I was gonna say, like there's this, when Hannah, you mentioned, or Hannah, you and Jordan both mentioned like this character of Ted, just kind of this being, almost this like center of optimism and everyone else around him kind of changes. It reminds me so much of how a lot of like big award-winning TV in the past decade or so has been like actually the opposite. It's always about these characters who are such assholes or like these huge, gravity wells. It's all about the anti-heroes, yeah. Yeah, and like actually the one thing I think a lot about, or it have been because I've been watching video essays of a show I've never seen. It's a Bojack Horseman. Let me guess it's Breaking Bad. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, which everyone, every video essay always starts off with, why are you watching this if you haven't watched Bojack Horseman? Watch Bojack Horseman. And I'm like, I don't know, I'd rather just watch people talk about Bojack Horseman. But it seems like, you know, and considering everyone really, what's the word I'm looking for? They will also kind of die on this hill of like Bojack Horseman is one of the best animated series ever. His character is like kind of, it sounds almost like the complete opposite of Ted Lasso of how this person is just this constant cycle of cynicism and pessimism, or this horse I should say. Horseman. Horseman, yeah, that's right, horseman. And how everyone around him is kind of influenced at some point they have an influenced bias to cynicism. And it reminds me a lot of like all these other shows that are always about these assholes who everyone, the catharsis is supposed to be when they change. And I guess my thought to that is like, but why should I care about these assholes from the get-go who have no, like there is no stake for them for me to care about, I guess. And then here's, as you guys are explaining Ted Lasso, I was like, oh, you know, no, no, this does sound like something I'd be, I'd probably like a lot. So, okay. If you're burnt out by like all those other types of shows, this will be a breath of fresh air. That's a thing too. That's one thing that I thought was so exciting about Ted is like, I think it's continuing this trend that maybe like started around Parks and Rec and the good place outside of like, we can have optimism in comedy. It doesn't have to be like, yeah, you don't have to point out like, oh man, life's a dragon. So everyone knows that. You're aware, trust me. You're aware. You're aware. I don't need the media I consume to bum me out too. Yes, yeah, that's true. No, but it's, and I think that's the important thing too, Josh is like, it's funny. It's so funny. Like I laugh out loud watching that show. I think a lot of people think like, some humor has to, if it's cynical, it punches down and it's kind of mean spirited. I know, this one definitely doesn't. And it's not like that at all. It's the genuine interactions between these really like three dimensional characters that they've created. And it's about the relationships that these characters are building. And I think Jordan said it really well. What's so successful about the show is like, I feel like you as a viewer come into it very incredulous. You're like, how am I gonna root for this guy? Like this guy's a total dweeb. It's like, why is this even a show? Yeah, why is he so positive? Like he's, this is annoying. But just like all of the characters in the show, like you get one over by him. And it's a mirror to the way that everything is going on in the show. You find yourself as a viewer being like, he's sucking me in. I'm so weird. It's like, oh no. I like him. Oh no, I care. Oh no, he's adorable. Oh no, they all care about each other so much. Like it's really, really nice. And I think it's very much a very positive way to look at how you can deal with conflict, even down to like the funny things of like, when they were talking about relegation, when they were explaining relegation, and the British players are like, wait, so what happens in America when you're relegated? He's like, well, we just play out the rest of our games and that's pretty much it. No, we don't have that. We don't have that. They just go along with the rest of their season in half empty stadiums. It's just nice to see how they address like, and they do address some like heavy topics in it. And it's just really well done. So basically, Ted Lasso, please give us our own podcast to talk about with Lasso, we'll do it forever. That'd be great. Also, I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but Bill Lawrence went to the same college as me, so he also didn't go to film school and made some of the greatest shows. There you go, so jealous. Interesting. And he's a super nice dude. I have met him one time and he was amazing. Wow. Even better news, it's been renewed for season two already. Which is, I'm so excited. I was terrified if nothing would come of it because I don't know how many people are watching it, but it's had such good critical response, that was my hope. Yeah, I mean, the reason- I did deserve it, it had been renewed. I saw you like, praddling on about it on Twitter and I was like, okay, cool, that's nice. Praddling on! Sorry, I'm laning. I am the woman who wrote an article about Paddington that was put onto the internet about why it was amazing, so I am not ashamed. But it is getting a lot of discussion on, I listened to Two Soccer Podcasts and both of them have brought it up. Yeah, and how much they love it. And it's like, well, okay. But it's not even about the soccer part of it. The soccer is just the dress setting. It's the platform. It's the hospital for a medical drama. Exactly. Yeah. With the background, yeah. I wonder if soccer fans would not enjoy it as much because they just don't like the backdrop. But that's good to hear, yeah. There's some little nods and jokes here and there for the known soccer fan, but the song they play in the last episode, I don't wanna, you'll never walk alone. I was wondering when they were saying you'll never walk alone. Yeah, that is a song sung by Liverpool, which is my favorite soccer team. So I, like that moment was even more strong, yeah. It's so good. I'll watch Spookies if you watch Sockers, I don't know. I'll trade you, I'll trade you Sockers for Spookies. Oh, that's a good episode title, Sam. Sockers for Spookies. It was great. No sense to anyone but us. But us. Until they watch this. Hey, I wish you would watch Hill House though. It's a Spookier one, but it's the first season, right? Hill House is fantastic, yeah. Because it is legitimately like, oh, that is a Spooky worth watching, Hannah. She's gonna get nightmares. You will get nightmares, it's okay. It's not a very fair trade. Episode of Hill House and episode of Ted, episode of Hill House and episode of Ted. Well, I'm watching My Hero Academia, which is also like equal parts really uplifting and delightful and then other parts, like I am literally screaming, oh yeah, my apartment. So like it's a good balance I feel like of the two. Hannah feels everything. I feel everything so deeply. That's why I relate to Dick who I was like, I cry over everything, oh my God, I feel everything deeply and that's why I'm just, I also have a vivid imagination which is why horror really gets me because I'm like, I can imagine someone standing in front of my bed. Yeah, behind my closed eyes, I know they're there even though they're not. That situation was very specific to Hill House, by the way. That's because I'm talking about the Spooky that I had nightmares about when I didn't watch. That's why, that's why I'm here I had. Hannah, would you, Jack Mark, would you prefer like, they always say like, oh, they don't show like the monster or anything because what your imagination comes up with is so much worse. So would you prefer them to just show the scary thing so that your imagination doesn't have to do the work? I think the thing that scares me about Hill House is the fact that like I always, like a lot of media, if I don't watch it, I get it sort of like through osmosis on social media. Oh yeah. And so it's like, I just see like tweets about it or like to your point, so like video essays and they're like, oh, there's like, here's the 15 hidden ghosts in the background. And I'm like, that's my nightmare. That they're just gonna appear and I'm gonna notice them, but it's not gonna be acknowledged. And then I'm just gonna be walking around my apartment going, where are they? You know? I have to, I have to, I feel like Hill House has kind of not ruined horror for me, but it has made me seem, or the metaphor I always use is like, it has made me see the zipper of the monster creature. And that example I use because that was a specific episode in Doug, where Doug was so afraid of watching this horror movie. Yeah, and it turns out like, he taped his eyes open and it turns out he just started laughing because he saw the monster had a zipper. So I feel, yeah, it's one of those things after like seeing Blybanner, I was just like, oh, I understand, yeah, I understand what's scary to me now. And some of the other stuff is not as scary. So my essence tried to get me to watch the conjuring and I was like, not yet. Like maybe next week when I'm strong. I feel like the closer it is to being, well, that's probably the entire thesis of horror, like the closer to being feasible it is, the more terrifying it is. Yeah. Because it's more easily accessible to our imagination. We're like, I could see that happening where it's like, you know, a big gruesome monster is still scary, but to me, it's not as frightening as like something lurking in your home. Yes. You know. That's spooky. What's that behind you, Anna? Don't talk about Angela Lansbury like that. I think I just saw Angela move. Great. Angela's not moving. Don't say that. Is that the murder she wrote board game? It sure is the murder she wrote board game. As soon as Laura got it, I was like, I need this. I created an eBay account just to get that board game. That's amazing. I love it so much. She does just loom over my shoulder. Is it like glue? How does it work? Oh yeah, that's right. It is kind of like glue. Sorry, what are you saying? I was just going to say, Hannah, you're my Ted Lasso at this point. Oh. That is the greatest single compliment I've ever received. Hannah, I would go as far as to say you're the Ted Lasso of this entire company. That's egregious. Oh. No, I can't accept it. It's too kind. It's too much. I will be the assistant coach who's trying. Coach Beard? Well, not even Coach Beard. I wish I could be Coach Beard. Coach Beard is cool. Oh my god, why can't I remember his name? The cute guy who's Nate. Coach Nate, yes. Yeah, Coach Nate. I'm Nate. I'm trying my best and I don't succeed very often. I get, oh my god, he said, this should get you to watch the show. Literally, Coach Nate tries so hard and he's the one who helps load bags into the buses when they go on like away games and he got bumped inside and locked into it and he just had to sit in the undercarriage of the bus and he fell asleep, curled up in a little ball and it's the most adorable thing I've ever seen. He's so sweet. That's so sad. It is, he was fine. They were looking for him. They got him. That's so sad. It works out for him, yeah. It works out in the end, trust me. He's adorable. Nate is like honestly also the heart and soul of that show. I love him so much. I've been convinced. I will give a book report to you guys back in like. Yes. I wouldn't say a week, but within the month because it's the month of Spookies. Yeah, it's Spooky Month, so Spooky Month. So I need a Ted Lasso. Feel free to like live Slack us as you watch too. Oh, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. Please, I would be so happy. That would be amazing. You're gonna be like, why is he so happy all the time? I hate it too. Man, Ted, he just tries his best. I do have everyone's phone number in here, right? Hannah might not have yours. I'm just gonna start a group text and we'll just rename it like the Ted Lasso podcast. Oh my God, I love it. Make me so happy. Well, I think that's a great place to end on. Hannah's happy. I'm just like, like I said, I literally would pay to just spend time with you guys. So the fact that you were like, you wanna come talk? I was like, I'll do any time. Hey, let's get a cameo. And I'm like, Hannah. Yes, I will pay to talk to you guys every week. I love how you offered to do it for free at the beginning of this. Just spend time on our calendars and I'm like, I will pay you for your friendship. Good to know. Well, thank you, thank you so much to Josh and Hannah for this episode of My Hubdotes. It was very good. I love talking about stuff with you guys and it was very fun. And thank you audience for joining in and listening to us. If you guys like us, feel free to do that thumb. And if you have a note, go ahead, feel free to leave a comment about any notes that you have for us because this is the show called I Have Notes. And we'll see you next time.