 Rw. Hello. Hello. Hello. We're tourists. Tourists. Australia. Australia. Yeah. We come back for, how long you open for? Oh this is here. Double steak here. Double steak here? Yeah. Ah. They have Rw. Rw. Yeah. Angjing. Yeah. Dog. Dog. Dog meat here. Ah. Yeah. We're tourists. We want to try it tonight. Later. Later. Come back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I wouldn't like to eat dog. How are you liking Bali so far? I love it. Yeah. It's my first time and I love it. Beautiful country, yeah? Yeah. We just got here. You just got here? Where from? We were over in Kupang. Kupang? West Timor. Wow. Wow. Do you want to do an interview with me about Bali dogs? Not really. You don't really? So we're going to talk about something that we might not know, but there's something called the Bali dog meat scandal. Have you heard about it? The Bali what? Dog? Dog meat. Dog meat. Oh yeah. Really? What we're talking about today is a bit of a scandal. It was called the Bali dog meat scandal. Did you hear about it? Haven't heard anything about it. Ah. She's going. Have you guys heard of the Bali dog meat scandal? No. We didn't. Do you want to know what it is? What is that? What was going on was there are some street dogs and some pet dogs were being poisoned and then they were being sold in restaurants as other meat. Ah. Yeah. All right. I heard rumors of that, yeah. You might get pork or you might get beef, but it might turn out to be dog because dog meat is cheaper. Fuck. I wouldn't like to eat dog. In warangs and all these restaurants, are they selling that? Well, you don't know. You don't know. The thing is you don't know. That's the point. It's where they're serving dogs in restaurants instead of the other animals, so they might tell you you've got beef or pork, but it would actually be dog meat. Oh, really? Yeah. How would that make you feel if you found out? Interesting. Okay. So would that make you feel uncomfortable if you found out that, say, your beef or your pork was another animal? Like a dog? Oh, yeah. We should totally know exactly what we're eating. Yeah. That's only fair. That's true. Like, if you found out, though, that you ate, like, say a cow and it turned out to be a dog, would you be upset with that? Of course I would be a super upset. Yeah, yeah, of course. Because you care about dogs and yeah. I love dogs and I wouldn't like to eat them. Yeah, yeah, sure. Would that make you feel uncomfortable if you found that out? Oh. It was one, you're eating one animal when it turned out to be dog. No, no, no, no. You would be okay with it? Oh, no. You wouldn't be okay with it? You'd feel, it would give you like an emotional reaction knowing that it was a dog? No, not an emotional reaction, but more like a health reaction. Health? Yeah. Like, I want to choose whether I'm eating something with lean protein or something with heavy protein, you know. What makes the dog different to the cow? I think, like, the relationship with humans, like, it's a company dog and cow eats, but I'm not eating a lot of meat. I try to eat the less possible. And if I... Why, why is that? Because I think we don't need to eat that much meat. I don't like the industry of meat. And if I eat some chicken maybe sometime, but I'm trying not to eat any kind of meat. You would feel uncomfortable eating a dog? Of course not, but it's like Koreans do that, but in Russia we don't do that. Okay, but you would like you would eat a dog? No, would never. So it wouldn't be that because you like dogs or you're a dog lover, it wouldn't be because of that? No, if I knew it was dog, maybe I would try it, but I just want to know what it is. Just like, you know, you're seafood, you know, like ideally you know what kind of fish it is. Yeah, so it's more of a knowing what you're eating as a consumer versus caring that it's a dog than a pig? Yeah, for me. Do you have any to see? Yeah, you can hear some dogs. What we're asking people is like, do you think that the cow and the chicken and the pig, they suffer and feel pain and want to live just like the dog? Like the same as the dog? Like there's no difference in the way that they... I think there's no difference. I think there are live beings and they feel everything the same, like humans, like dogs and like any... Yeah. Do you like dogs? I like dogs, yeah, but I'm vegetarian, so I even don't eat meat, normal, I don't eat fish. Oh, you don't eat any meat? Yeah. You think pigs and dogs should be treated the same, like that dogs don't matter more? Like if we eat pigs maybe we, you know, dogs should be eaten too? Maybe we could, yeah. Yeah, I think pigs are really smart too, so I don't eat dog, but I would, I think maybe it's okay if you know what it is. So if a pig doesn't want to be killed, a dog doesn't want to be killed, do you think we should be killing any of them? I think we should, we shouldn't kill any of them, I think so, yeah. Or really not in that way we are doing it, because I mean humans have always been eating some kind of meat, but just like once a week or once a month, you know, but not that that much. So you think there's a humane way to kill a dog? No. But if there's a better way to kill a cow, yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, okay. You see? Oh, that's what that's a question about, okay. Yeah, this is what the question's about, because we're gonna ask people about other animals and whether they think... Okay, all right, I got you. So you're not, you're not creating a double standard within yourself if you would eat dogs and and eat pigs, but people that would eat pigs but wouldn't eat dogs are kind of being hypocritical, would you say? No, I think that's a choice. It's just a choice. You just have to know what is out there and as like, if I'm buying a meal, I am paying for what the meal is supposed to be, so I just want to know what it is. So just from a consumer perspective. Wow. I mean the cows in meat industry, it's very painful because they are like all in this queue hearing the voices and smelling blood and I think it's awful. But you think there's a humane way to kill a cow, yeah? I think it would be a more yeah human way. There's a kinder way to kill a cow, yeah? I think so. I think probably there's a way like not to be to put the animal in that suffering. So if I killed a dog in a kind way, would that make it okay? Eating a dog is the same as eating a cow. Pretty much, yeah. It doesn't matter. Any animal, I mean, cow is fine, I mean chicken is fine, but you said cow, right? I said dog. Dog and a cat or whatever. It's like domestic animals. It's like Pats, whites. Why should he eat the pat? Can I take a picture? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look. Ah, this one's dog here. Yeah. Okay. And this one is stew? Was it having garlic in it? Garlic, garlic. Because I've spoken to a lot of people that would never eat a dog because they love dogs, but they would eat a pig, which do you think there is any difference like in the way they suffer or want to live or? No, I mean my family farms goats and I hang out with the goats every day like a dog, but we eat them when it comes down to it and I yeah, it's, you know, you don't feel bad about it. No. No, I don't. It's you know, it's meat. It's yeah. But as the individual, do you ever think of them? Oh, that individual, do you name them? Yeah, they're named. They're around for like 11 years sometimes. Wow. And then you just, they just, yeah, time for the table. Yeah, it's time. Oh, it's a hard one. It's a hard one because. What does your heart say? I wouldn't like to kill any dog. What about cows or pigs? The same? Do you think there's humane way to kill a pig? Think about it. Humane means to show compassion. Yeah, exactly. So no, there's no any, no. In the animal's eyes, though, the cow, what the cow thinks and what the dog thinks are the same, that they both don't want to be eaten. They don't want to be dinner. For me, no, but I understand. So it's people should have like different kind of food probably. Yeah, I would never judge, but it's not my thing, definitely. So I mean, that's originally that's how it used to be, right? It was like, we had to eat meat, whatever was available. So true. We have always had to, do you think we still have to, or do you think it's just something that now we just do it because of tradition? Do you think we need, we need you to survive or? Need to eat meat or need to eat animals at all? Like, do you think we need to or? No, I think the world would be a better place if we didn't eat any meat. Wow. Why is that? Well, because eating meat consumes a lot of resources. You have to feed it corn, it takes a lot of water, all of that stuff. We all eat vegetarian then. And we wouldn't have slaughterhouses either, which are pretty nasty places. Would you agree? It can be really nasty. Yeah. Even me, I don't eat animals anymore, but it's hard to not think of the dog as worth more because that's how we brought up. We brought up to think dogs are pets and cows are just food and that don't matter. And that's awful because at the end, they are all animals. We are animals. We are animals. Yeah. So as I told, I'm Russian, so yeah, Russians eat cows, but we don't eat like horses. People from Kazakhstan like horses. They don't eat cows. So it's just, it's the same. No, it's not. It's different. There's some places that do it okay. Okay. But you know, there, you have to know which ones those are. Wow. Do you, just for the audience, what would okay slaughter look like to you? I think like humane death. So things like giving the animals like space, right? And maybe a lot of slaughterhouses, they funnel them all in and so they get really stressed out. And that's bad for them and it's bad for the meat. That's not really a good thing for them. So maybe something like, you know, they're in their stall and they just get something like a quick shot to the head and they don't even know it's coming. None of that fear gets spread. And that would make it okay. Just a quick shot to the head. Yep. Okay. Yeah, that'd be better for sure. And the cow doesn't want to be in a slaughterhouse. The dog doesn't want to be in a slaughterhouse. And maybe we should think about treating all life with respect. Yeah. Exactly. One's not worse than the other. I mean, like one isn't any worse. I don't know. It's about if you're surrounded by like a dog who lives in your house and by, and you ride a horse on the weekend. So how can you eat that? Have you heard of the gas chamber? No, not for animals in particular. We have the gas chambers in Australia. That's where they put pigs in. So they put about three or four in a gas chamber and then they lower them into this gas. Yeah. Do you think that would be okay or? I don't know enough about it to say how I feel. Yeah. Okay. I agree with you. You agree with me. Okay. That's good. How about this? I'll give you, I've got this card here. Okay. This has got more information about what I'm talking about on the front, but on the back here, challenge 22. Perfect. Now you can, if you've got Facebook, yeah, I got you can sign up on Facebook, challenge 22 and you can try it for 22 days, not eating animals or things that come out of animals. And you have neither, neither eggs. You can do that. If a cow was my friend and then someone ate that cow, eat my cow. If it was my cow, but it's so weird. Yeah. Thank you. Thank God. I'm a vegetarian. Thank God you're vegetarian. Yeah. Yeah. Because egg industry kills baby chicks. They kill all the hens after they can't lay eggs. Thank God I'm a vegetarian. Thank God you're vegetarian. Yeah. The dairy industry kills baby cows and yeah. I don't eat dairy. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you guys so much. Enjoy. Take it easy. Well, you've given me an interesting perspective and thank you so much for your time. I appreciate that. Thanks for talking. Thank you. Yeah. Cool. But if you do this for 22 days and you can just say, wow, that was easy or I don't feel good or whatever, but at least you tried it. Yeah. I think I'm going to try it because and then I think here in Bali, it's easier. Like food, it's more vegetarian. There's so much vegan food here. Yeah. That's what I love Bali. But if we support the vegan options and we don't know whether then we know definitely no animals are getting hurt and we're still supporting the fantastic country that it is, you know. That was one we hadn't had before. We hadn't had that perspective before, which was interesting in that most people hold the so opposing beliefs on it, like love dogs, kill an ape, but you had a consistent belief. Okay. Okay. I take my friends from Australia. They want to try. They want to try tonight. Later. Later. Come back. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yes. I'm going to do it. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to hear that. Nice. Yeah. Like if people, if that's what, if they're saying that they don't want to see animals get hurt, then it's only right that they live in alignment with that. Like otherwise they're being inconsistent. Right. But no, and that's the funny part is like we're just so disconnected from our food system. Oh, she's like, like she said she'd be happy. The only reason she wouldn't be happy eating a dog is because she wants to know exactly what she's eating. You know, but she probably would eat a dog if she knew that it was a dog like she wouldn't.