 What do you think about this? I used to be Italian. But what do you think about this? Like how your meat comes to the table. Do you think animals are food? If I was in a jungle a long time ago it's been terrible. So do you think we should sort of navigate our morality by the actions of other animals? Or should we maybe act in a moral way? Well, I think we should act in a moral way but I don't think that excludes eating meat. Do you think killing animals when we don't need to is moral? I think I'm accountable by evolution. Evolutionary? Because you evolved eating meat you think it's still moral to do that today if we don't need to? Absolutely. What about other animals like dogs in that? Should we eat them? But do you think it's moral? Should we have other things to eat? Do we have other things to eat? I don't think it's moral to eat grasshoppers. No, I don't think it's necessary. We've got rice and beans and potatoes and fruit. We've got other things and we don't have to stab animals to death so... You don't? It's not the same. Driving cars isn't... Driving cars isn't the same as stabbing animals to death. Do you know what they're showing? These vegan? Yeah. Okay. I used both vegan. Ah, okay. Yeah, well this is kind of like... Just showing people how their foods produce obviously you can see. No, no, no, no. Live Exports is just one faction of animal agriculture. I mean we deal with more like what's happening in our own backyard. Like just 10 kilometers away factory farms. Not just factory farms, slaughterhouses. So free range animals are all slaughtered as well. Just the dairy industry, egg industry, all kill animals and slayed animals and treatment like products. There's a movie called Dominion. It's just come out this year. It's like they filmed all-insides slaughterhouses, farms and they're showing people like what's going on in there. Us human beings are paying for these places to be there. So the consumer basically the power is in their hands. If we stop buying they stop doing this to animals. Ah, it's okay. Well most people care about the... You know, do you think animals deserve moral treatment yet? Yeah, most people do. This is basically... Well this is stock standard. I mean... We don't want people using animals when we don't need to man. Like we all eat plant-based. You can get burgers now. We can get vegan cheese and vegan products. We don't need to use animals. Animals are harmed. They're exploited and slayed. Had their children stolen from them. They're enforceably impregnated. Putting gas chambers, stab to death, electrically prodded and just all these things happening to animals. They feel pain, suffer, want to live just like your dog does. We don't think it's necessary and we think it's cruel. You know what I mean? What do you think about that? You know, you need it in some times. You need it? Yeah, to eat. To survive or to be healthy? To survive. Yeah? What do you think is in meat that you can't get from plants? Like what nutrients? Look if you let all of it live, then eventually you're going to have to kill it. Too many of them. Yeah, but you know why there's so many of them bro? Because we're breeding them. So they jack off the male animals, get the semen out of them and they stick it in the female animals and they breed and breed and breed and breed. That's why there's 70 billion of these land animals on earth. Because we're breeding them. So if we stop breeding them, stop demanding their flesh, then there wouldn't be this insane number of animals on earth. That's a good point. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, then they're going to take over. But if we stop eating them, then they'll stop breeding them. So it'll phase out. I mean, a lot of it is acts of cruelty that isn't standard practice, but what they do is they leave a camera in slaughterhouses for a couple of days. Randomly, they pull it out and there's all this stuff going on in there. But let's just say they did adhere to standard practice by law. Do you think that that would still be okay? Like, if let's just say they followed welfare guidelines to the teeth. Do you really know what the welfare guidelines are? Well, let's just say they weren't kicking the animals. They were making sure the animals weren't stressed and they put them in a knockbox and shoot them in the head and slash their throat open. Yeah, they shoot them with a bolt gun. They shoot them with a bolt gun in their forehead. So cows and all they stun them with a big electrical prod. Or they can put pigs in gas chambers. So you don't believe animals should be stunned first? Have you witnessed a slaughter before? You have seen animals have their head chopped off? Yeah. How did it make you feel? Well, I was like, I was like, we're 10 years ago then. 10 years ago? Yeah. Do you remember it? Yeah, I remember it. Do you remember how you felt? Nah, I was just kidding. I was just like a normal thing. I was like a culture one. You see it every day. Yeah, I've been in a slaughterhouse. I mean that culture's up close. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's cultural. Yeah. But do you think because it's cultural that makes it moral? Yeah. Like if something happens in a certain culture, do you think that that means that it's ethical? Nah, not necessarily. But I just think like, obviously there are different ways. Of killing animals, yeah. Yeah. So do you think if it's allowed and it's ethical, basically would be the question? I would say it's ethical, but it's ethical. So there's better ways to kill someone? Yeah. Okay. And we could apply that in the human context as well, couldn't we? And like imagine, like your honor, I killed him humanely or something like, do you think you can take someone's life in a humane way? No. If they want to live. Like let's just say the animal had a good life. So they want to live. And then we took their life from them. Do you think that would be moral? To do? So... I thought it was natural but I didn't know they possibly do it. Yeah, now these aren't naturally exist. They're in factories, man. Yeah. Most animals that you eat are in factories like big sheds. Big commercialized sheds, you know. It's a big demand for it's huge business, man. They're using them as products like bags of rice, just selling them, killing them, torturing them. What do you think about that? Do you think, have you thought about that before, brother? No. You used Muslim or? Yeah. You Muslim see Halal? Yeah. What do you think about Halal slaughter? Do you think it's, have you seen it, have you witnessed it? No. Yeah, I've seen four animals have their head cut off without being stunned. And I've still disturbed by it today. Like they were like real, I know they were real scared, the animals. They were tied up, had a rope through their nose, pulled onto a big machine, held down and just and blood coming out, vomit coming out and hacked up into pieces, into flesh, you know. And like, we've got alternatives. Like we don't need to do that to survive. And as Muslims you have a choice. Like the God doesn't say you must eat animals to be Muslim. I give you, you have a choice. So what's the more peaceful choice? Yeah. So this humane slaughter thing is something perpetuated by animal agriculture. They're making cash. They want people to feel comfortable because most people are like yourselves. They don't want to see animals be harmed. Yeah. So they've got to play into that. They're free range. We look after them before we cut their head off. We care about animals. Don't worry. Yeah. Do you think you can care about animals while you're paying for them to be butchered? It's it's really simple though. Like, I care about you. Die. No. But I honestly do believe most of the population care about animals because I did. I was an animal lover and I was paying for them to be. I used to eat big steaks every night. I used to eat pigs for breakfast, eggs, everything. Then I thought about it. I was like I care about dogs but I pay for pigs to be gas chambered and stabbed. And there's no moral difference between the two animals. You being, I used both Muslim. You wouldn't eat pigs but you would eat cows, lambs, chickens, fish. And do you think in the eyes of all those animals, a dog, I know a dog's not Halal but say a dog, a fish, a lamb, a chicken, do you think they all want to live just the same as each other? You think they both, they'd all avoid a knife in their throat, wouldn't they? Like, preferably, like if you tied a cow up by their legs and you put a knife on their throat, they wouldn't want you to touch their throat, open in the Halal way. Nah. Okay, thanks for the guilt room. Nah, we're like, if you feel guilty, that's a good emotion to feel because I feel guilty, that's why I do what I do and I hate that I paid for this to happen for 26 years and I was filling my stomach up with the bodies of animals who didn't want to die and I felt like my body was a graveyard. Nah, yeah, but you know the thing is we grew up eating meat. Same here. Yeah. I ate meat for 26 years, bro. You see, huge steak every night, baking eggs for breakfast every morning. You probably don't eat pigs, but, you know, I was eating chickens for lunch, all these animals. Like, I grew up too, same way, conditioned from the same society. But I just thought about it. I was like, well I care about dogs, I wouldn't stick a knife in a dog's throat. If I seen someone hurting a puppy, you know, I'd probably do something to stop them. But I'm paying for all these animals to be butchered, you know what I mean? I don't know, if you've seen Halal slaughterer, watch what, look at the animal's face, right, you know, do whatever they do, and then they get a really sharp knife and straight across the neck. Watch them bleed out, watch them get hacked up into pieces, and you tell me what your heart tells you. If that makes you feel a certain way, like, I don't like that, and God gave you your conscience to navigate you through life, then it's telling you something, you know what I mean? If God wants us to kill animals, what does the devil want? God doesn't say you must eat animals to be a Muslim. You have a choice. So, if you have a choice between causing unnecessary harm or not, what's the more peaceful way? It's good points, man, but, you know, it's hard to change now. How old are you? 19. 19? I changed when I was 26, bro. You drink alcohol, take drugs, all this stuff, and then I changed completely. Anyone can change, man. It's just whether you desire it or not. Whether you think it's worth changing. So, if you look at them and you go, they deserve that, or I don't even care, who cares? Who cares about them? It's not me, so I don't care. Or you go, well, imagine if it was me, imagine if it was, you know, someone I cared about. You know, then you would care. And you'd be convincing other people to change as well. A million is healthy, too, you know. They kill this animal, they're under stress, and we eat that. Even if the animal was looked after their whole life, the minute they get that knife across their throat, adrenaline, fear, anxiety, and then we consume their hormones and their fear hormones are all the same as ours. So you're consuming death and fear and blood and, you know, your stomach is like a graveyard for animals. I don't want my stomach to be a graveyard, I don't want it to be a garden. You're a vegan. I haven't eaten fish. I don't eat fish. Oh, fish isn't a vegetable. I haven't eaten fish, I'm vegan. Yeah. Fish feel pain, they suffer, they're sent in like other animals. But the only reason why you're fished is because they're free. You know what I mean? Like they're free to start with. They're not sort of farmed. Fish farms are. No, but I don't eat fish. Fish farms. It's just the wild caught. If the animal's free, it's okay to drag them out of the ocean and kill them all. That's my business. Go fully plant-based, hey. How about you, my friend? Do you want to try our vegan challenge? Oh, no. It's free, it's on Facebook. All right, no worry. Okay, lovely. Leave the fishes in the sea, mate. Eat them alone. Clearing stands boxer. If I had to buy a string and a caviar is a romantic. Challenge 22. 22 days of doing the challenge on Facebook, mate. Okay, okay. There you go. Sorry for the guilt trip, mate. Choice. We don't have to keep them to survive. Like, look at this. Look what we're doing to them, mate. How many? So many. Suffering. And when you eat suffering, it becomes a part of you, yeah? But we don't see the suffering. We don't see it. We see meat. We don't see the animal. But they're still there. Even if we don't see it, it's still happening.