 There are very few things in the open source world that the Linux community agrees on in fact I would say that there are zero things that we all agree on in the Linux community And that's just kind of the way human nature goes. There's nothing actually wrong with it In fact, it is kind of the basis of the open source nature to Dislike something so much that you go off and create your own version of it or you fork it or whatever That's the reason why we have 4,000 different distros. It's why we have nine different ways of Having an init system. It's why we have 14 different desktop environments You get the point when you don't like something you go off and create something different or you create a fork of it Whatever happens to be that's kind of the nature of the game as a community We don't even really agree on the things that we dislike, but there are a few things that seem to Provoke and almost the irrational response amongst a very small portion of our community things that make them shout and grind their teeth and just Really be severely angry over Some things so what I thought I would do today is talk about five things that a lot of people in the Linux open source community Actually hate some of these things are irrational some of them are Perfectly fine to hate and as long as it doesn't you know prevent you from moving on with your life, but there are things that a Large number of people actually do despise now the first one on a list has to be system D system D for those of you don't know is Hard to explain because it's actually a suite of software that helps run your computer And that's really the most general way you can put it most Linux distros right now use system D And they use it for their net system. They use it for their journaling system things like that every part of your system really it's untouched by Something that has to relate to system D and it has grown into a monster of a program it's one of the largest programs that runs on your computer and That sets some people off not only because it has a ton of stuff in it So it's Reloaded but also because it's backed by major corporations. So that is kind of a double strike against it So that has led to the development of several other pieces of software that can act as just in its systems That don't do nearly as much as system D But are simpler or less bloated and that has led to distros that rely on those things so For example dev one is a Debian based distribution, but it doesn't use system D It uses a couple different init systems and it offers those choices and it's more of a it's a protest distro Right people are protesting the use of system D by creating a distribution that doesn't use it now The hatred against system D is as I said both because it is Bloated but also because it's backed by a corporation and that corporation of course is red hat and now red hat is owned by IBM So it's owned by an even bigger corporation and people of course don't like that the second one on the list has to be The hatred of corporations now This is one that I have a problem with and I'll talk about that in a minute But let's first explain why people don't like corporations having their greedy mitts in the open-source world It all has to do with the idea that corporations are never going to have the best of intentions for the community Instead their intentions all have to do with making as much money as possible That's the nature of being a corporation and because they have to make as much money. Obviously, they can't be solely Invested in making the best product for the community because a lot of times the decisions They would have to make if they were the best for the community would go against their goal of making as much money as possible So that's one of the reasons why people don't particularly care for corporate influence on open-source software in Linux in general Now, obviously that whole problem has more to do with capitalism and stuff like that And we don't really need to get into it But that's really the underlying issue there my response to that is that if we did not have corporate Investment in open-source in Linux, I don't think open-source in Linux would really even exist today in any measurable way And we almost know that to be true because the vast majority of Corporations and institutions that use Linux now only are able to do so because of the corporate Support that has received over the last 30 years to be able to run on all sorts of hardware Someone has to pay Linus Torvald's paycheck and if they hadn't done so he probably would have had to move on to Other places to in order to feed his family and all that stuff And it's obviously not just to red hat that has this hatred against it We're also talking about canonical in that they are almost hated even more Than red hat is because for some reason there are things that canonical has done in the past That has just pissed a lot of people off whether it's keeping the back end of snaps closed source or having Advertising in their desktop or having Amazon affiliate links all over the place a lot of things have made people mad regarding canonical and that feeling has stuck around for a lot of people and they Won't even touch Ubuntu or likely anything based on Ubuntu now the next one on the list is one that I'm Very guilty of hating myself and that is GNOME now There are two aspects of the hatred here that we need to talk about the first one is political and I hate politics I hardly ever talk about politics on my channel. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I never talk about them because Politics are one of those things that nobody has ever going to agree on But a few years ago probably a couple years ago at this point The GNOME foundation had some very bad press because they got very political and That caused a lot of backlash Against them and a lot of support for them for people who agreed with them and people who didn't disagree with them Personally, I don't care what their political stance is, but it's definitely one of the reasons why a lot of people Don't like GNOME because the foundation that supports it and develops it Has a lot of political views and they are not shy about putting those things out there now The other side of this coin that is More relevant to me is that GNOME itself has sucked many times in the past When GNOME 3 first came out it was garbage and it was garbage for a long time like years like seriously it was so slow you couldn't use it and that Problem stayed around and almost until Ubuntu decided that they're going to switch from unity to GNOME once canonical and Ubuntu got involved in the lower stream Development of GNOME and started pushing things upstream. GNOME got faster Almost immediate because there was no way Ubuntu was going to be able to ship a version of GNOME That was as slow as it had been there was just no way that was going to happen or at least they weren't going to ship It for very long. They needed to do something to speed it up. They sped up the animations They sped up a whole bunch of different things. They made it much much simpler now Obviously Ubuntu has had to do many other things to GNOME in order to actually make it usable like add Customizations put icons back on the desktop things like that, but the hatred behind the use of GNOME is somewhat related to GNOME's developers being very Set in their ways. They have a vision for their desktop environment And they do not like the community having any input whatsoever None they don't think that the community has the right ideas when it comes to using Linux and the GNOME people therefore do what they want to do no matter what the outcome is for the community itself and It seems that they have the right idea because a lot of people and a lot of distros specifically still use GNOME and don't seem to have that big of a problem. There are situations in the last six months or so where that stubbornness to not listen to your community specifically your developer community has caused some scandal and caused people to move away from GTK and GNOME all this stuff But for the most part GNOME seems to be very popular amongst a lot of Linux distributions now me personally I've always disliked the GNOME workflow. I've just never really cared for it I think it's a lot better now than it used to be but I still have the idea That GNOME is just not very good now It has gotten better and I will freely admit that I understand it now more than I did before But it's still not something that I care for and I know a lot of people just don't like GNOME at all And some of that like I said is the political stuff But some of it is just that GNOME sucked for a really long time and it hasn't really been able to Remove any of that taint away from itself now the next one is almost universally hated And this is something that a lot of people really really hate including me Like a lot of people I'm just telling you and that is electron people really really hate electron and for really good reason it's not very good and When I say it's not very good I mean it's not very fast and it takes up a lot of resources like a lot of resources and That messes with a lot of people systems that makes it hard to run those types of apps on lower end hardware It's just like I said it's not very good on the other hand like I said This is coming from someone who hates electron just as much as you do or as much as you probably do I have to look at this and say you know what? Electron may not be very good It may take up a lot of resources a lot of memory all this stuff But without it we wouldn't have nearly as much software on Linux as we do we wouldn't have discord We might have Spotify we wouldn't have Microsoft teams We wouldn't have any number of pieces of proprietary software that a lot of people use and If we didn't have those pieces of software Linux would be poorer for it Unfortunately a lot of people need to use those pieces of software. They need to use discord They need to use teams. They need to use slack They need to use all these things in order to do actual work and without electron So we would be back five years ago ten years ago where people didn't use Linux because they couldn't simply get the programs that they needed Now that electron is here for the most part people can get the Programs that they need in order to do their work now. Obviously there are still some exceptions. We're looking at you Adobe Those programs aren't here But the productivity apps that most people need now have electron versions that run perfectly fine on Linux And the hatred for electron I feel is solely the response of how much many resources that it takes There is probably a little bit of taint on it because it uses the google chrome slash chromium engine underneath it Right if that used firefox people probably wouldn't hate it nearly as much But I don't think that most people even care about that. They're just looking at it like wow This application is pretty slow. It takes up a lot of memory. Therefore. I don't like electron You know what I mean? So electron is definitely one I think out of all the ones that are on this list That is the one that most people seem to agree on the electron Isn't that great and it really should be better Now the last one on the list is a little polarizing because I know a lot of people that really like it And that is wsl windows subsystem for linux Now this thing when it first came out was very controversial because it made a lot of people think that If you could use linux on windows, why would you ever install linux on hardware and That fear and uncertainty Definitely led to a lot of hatred for it and a lot of misconceptions over what it actually was the first version of wsl Was not good. It did not have a linux kernel You couldn't run a lot of programs on it. You definitely couldn't create a scenario where you would run gooey Linux software on it at least not very easily the second version is obviously way better And it's a full linux system. It has an actual kernel And the thing is like I said, there's a lot of people like it If you are a windows user, but you need to do linux development Having a ready to go linux kernel right there for you to do your development work on without having to switch is very nice Right and it offers a lot of benefits for developers that you just really couldn't get if you were dual booting And I do think that it has gotten Some people interested in linux who might not otherwise have been interested in linux at all Maybe it's not a lot of people, but I think that that Group of people does exist. I do not think that it has hurt linux in any way Now I say that and then I say this at least it hasn't hurt linux in any way yet You know what I mean? There is still a possibility this being Developed by microsoft that microsoft will one day decide that they're going to do something evil And try to cut people off from linux all together or some suitably evil situation or scenario You know what I mean? It's possible that that could happen. I seem to always expect microsoft to do that You know embrace extend extinguish But at least so far it doesn't seem to have happened and wsl has been something that has been a benefit to some people But that doesn't mean that there aren't still people out there who hate it because there definitely are people who Can't stand the idea that wsl even exists They can't stand the idea that this thing might be eating away at potential linux users Whatever the reasons are There are those people out there because I hear from them in my comment section every once in a while so Those are the five things that a lot of people hate in the linux Slash open source community And whether again those reasons for hatred are good or not They exist I personally think that Of the ones that I talked about the only legitimate hatred that can be had is against electron And that's just because that has legitimate problems. Most of the other ones are not Very rational your hatred against system d not very rational In my opinion, it's just not system. He's really good. It's just really good It doesn't do too much. Um, maybe but it doesn't do Things that aren't good as far as I'm aware You know, it seems to do several jobs very well So it doesn't mean that the offshoots or the alternatives to system d are bad It just means that People who hate system d likely don't do so because It's actually a bad product but more because they have moral or Ethical reasons to hate it. The hatred behind genome is like I said Complicated and the prickliness of the developers behind genome doesn't really help matters all that much The hatred for corporations is just something that we're going to have to put up with because Without corporations and corporate support linux probably wouldn't be as popular as it is now At least that's the way I feel and then wsl of course is Hated mostly because it's produced by microsoft. 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