 you all for joining us for the Community Development Committee meeting. I want to note for the record that Mr. Bailey is here officially this month as a newly sworn in member of the committee and I am here and we have Will available by soon. Will are you there? We know you mute a lot so at some point just send us a message to confirm you there. Alrighty so I've called the meeting to order I am going to ask that we defer the approval of the minutes for January 16, 2024 and would like to note that going forward we will be we will have minutes from our committee meetings and I think that those could be helpful. Thank you we appreciate that but we will defer these and so committee discussion before we get into the different things that we have listed here. So in looking at community development and y'all know I used to work in community development and we've had a couple of issues that have gone on. One was the recent issue with a request from the housing authority and then we have looked at different consultants we've been on a few trips but what I really felt like and I just discussed this with the mayor as Will and he agrees we do not have a strategy for community development like one strategy that everybody is on and so the way that it should work or that I wanted to work but I'm gonna say should work that's better is that we create the strategy and where we're going where we're going and then we're able to communicate that with our partners. I asked I don't know did actually find that I was looking for the chartering information for the housing authority I don't know if Ashley was able to find it or not but you know in talking to the board for the housing authority he simply said well what do you want us to do and then there was silence and so I'm talking to the mayor he totally agrees that we need to all get on the same page and in that my opinion is that we will be a lot more effective and I'm hoping we can get on the same page too but so one good example to me would have been Book of Washington Heights we have been in Book of Washington Heights since 2010 and we're still in Book of Washington Heights but I think that's because we have put some money here some money there some money here some money there based on probably council recommendations I'm just be honest or the need whatever the need was but because of that we're still in Book of Washington Heights trying to finish something whereas if we put all of our resources if the housing authority has a project in a particular area we have a project and our partners have a project in that area we may be able to knock out stuff in three years and people see a realistic a realistic change very quickly and at least it gives the next neighborhood something to look forward to so that is the background in the basis of why I asked for some of the information today because in coming up with the strategy we do want to get a good handle on what we have used it for because if we change if we're going to change anything what does that impact you know something like what what does who gets left out do we still do we want to leave those kind of things out so this for me this is more of an information session so we can kind of know what we have been doing and how we have been funding it and so we can plan for the next plan that's due which is what the consolidated plan it's due and the bad year yes so I wait is this a good time a week to lay okay perfect time perfect write that down that did something and for strategy councilman woman Herbert you're talking how we spend our entitlement dollars is that it's not even though because so this is what I would imagine and in a particular year if we're doing and I keep using Book of Washington I guess but we also would have had David to identify all the houses that needed to be demolished during that time as you know as opposed to you know throughout the years but and if we were working on parks or we were doing renovations but particularly in housing so for instance again I think they're doing it now Randall Dora Randall is being worked on by the housing authority and we're doing something in Randall so that community really is going to see a change a large change once you put two different neighborhood I mean two different I guess communities inside the neighborhood and a park so I'm not limiting it just to our entitlement dollars yeah and I think it just kind of depends on what the needs of the community are okay and I think we'll dive into that a little bit during council retreat coming up as well yeah so the mayor said he wants to hear about y'all may have to do this whole thing again that's probably what he was saying as we try and figure out that strategy during the retreat well I want to introduce Dolly I think everybody knows Dolly she's our community development administrator and she's got her team here as well that she wants to introduce and we're excited to have them Galicia is out today our community development director but are you good if she sits here to do that as long as the mic so we'll walk through agenda items two through four simultaneous the presentation just goes through all of those items and answer any questions and obviously take action items from that conversation well good afternoon it's a pleasure to be here thank you Councilman Herbert and Councilman Bailey and all that are in attendance today I have this opportunity and I would like to introduce my staff my team that is here they are all new and so this would be a great opportunity for them to get immersed into this process so you can stand up and just introduce yourselves I'm a program compliance specialist and I started back in August I'm Nicola Parker, program compliance specialist that I started in October welcome thank you yeah and so I just wanted to take that opportunity to do that because the information and what we're doing here today is critical of course not only to citywide but to community development it impacts us directly so what I wanted to start off and do is just an overview of the entitlement projects these are our core entitlement community development block grant of course that addresses the needs of affordable and economic development affordable housing public services and it benefits those that are LMI and currently our estimated allocation for the the 23 year right now is a little over a million dollars so we don't get a lot of dollars in community in CDBG our home investment partnership of course that is specifically to promote affordable housing for city and local governments nonprofit sectors and for-profit sectors to build affordable housing manage finance and do various housing projects and we receive about seven hundred and seventy six thousand dollars annually and one quick question which one of these requires the organization to be a chotto that's well CDBG yeah the chottos are the only entity that is able to do new construction and currently we don't have any chottos in the area we don't and I'm sorry let me let me rephrase that it's home that does chottos okay CDBG is the community big base development organizations all these acronyms yeah thank you and then of course our housing opportunities for persons with AIDS this the HOPPA program instead of serving just within the city it serves six counties and of course that is for housing programs for those that are HIV eligible as well as supportive services to help them and we see receive about one point eight million so over the last ten years and our team dove into all of the activities that support these particular funding sources CDBG home and HOPPA over the last ten years we've expended twenty million dollars in CDBG and that is entitlement and also program income and revolving loan fund okay explain program income and revolving loan funds to mr. Bailey absolutely program income is income generated from CDBG activities so it could be economic development it could be fees associated with different programs and so that it comes back into the pot and then we're able to reuse those dollars for eligible activities the revolving loan fund is a form of program income but it's very specific to housing programs so it's only used for housing loans and rehab so that money gets funneled back into the housing programs and it is reused over and over it's revolving and I participated in that program so each of my loan payments go back to that we have a first with first citizens and a second with first citizens because that's who services ours but each payment goes back into the fund so that more money is there to loan to other people so it continuously revolves yeah revolving and so so that is why we've had about 20 million dollars over 20 million and then the activities of course public services those are activities that are specifically we'll get to that in the next slide but to do services within the city so whether it's mental health or health care job training all of the services that impact individuals and do we have a listing of what some of those are so in your report there is a 10-year report so we went back 10 years and we've listed every activity that we have funded so you'll see it by year and and the types of activities six counties on the hopper hopper hopper do we manage that for all six counties or yes we do we are the the city of Columbia is the grantees so we get the direct award from HUD and then we have sponsors we have a total of five or six sponsors they actually do the direct service and they serve those counties so for instance we do have a Saluda County is a part of our consortium and there's only one of our sponsors that services Saluda County and that's Upper Savannah care services so there's a variety of services that are that are done but only those six counties provides we can provide services for those so we touch the sponsors and they touch the individuals and they touch the individuals and it's a past basically a pass-through we pass those funds through to those sponsors to do direct service what do the compliance folks do with respect to those funds what do I'm sorry say what do your compliance folks oh well those they do all the work so on a daily basis so compliance is the team that looks at the funding that comes in the reimbursements these are all reimbursable grants and so all of the funds that come in we have to make sure that that information is eligible they also are the program managers so they're managing these programs whether it's Hapua CDBG they're the ones that are responsible for making sure that these agencies nonprofits are on task and so they're doing the program management as well so you can see there's a variety of activities through home and Hapua Hapua being 14 million that we've expended over the last 10 years and you can see the counties and the types of services that we provide and when we talk strategy it's worth noting over the last I think five years that they might correct me on that exact time frame we've really kept most of the regular CDBG dollars for city projects such as resurfacing roads park projects we've done a lot of park projects with CDBG dollars there is an opportunity to make some of that available through to partner agencies but again we only get just over a million a year it's not a whole lot of funding so we deliberately spent that on city assets in the recent time frame so that's a strategy point that if that's going to change we'll want to know that too well and yeah and I think that's why I wanted to have all of the information so folks can see I personally don't think we can do a whole bunch of housing with a million dollars from CDBG we just can't so that that is and CDBG dollars unless your the Chota CDC does infrastructure not vertical CDBG dollars cannot do vertical construction is that right um unless you're CBD oh yeah so they can't another one CBD oh yeah community-based development organization that's CDBG they're the only ones using CDBG funding that can do new construction and do we have any in Colombia we not that I'm aware of not designated and that's a designation that we process that you have to go through a hug to do get and then home dollars can do new construction so that's a different bucket that has been used to help your Chota yeah but it's not a lot of money to do so just continuing with the overview we also have congressional grants awards and those are the home ARP home American rescue plan and the community development block grant cares act funding and so that's just a synopsis of what we've received and where we are in the process of expenditures and this is one question that really isn't related in neighborhood love your block grants what is that come out of the general fund is that why so minister of our community development but that's the just a little right yeah it's general fun program income I believe so it broke me general fun is is funds that the city earns from taxes and all that other stuff it's not like the original source of funding was general fun again we we've used it in a way that we have revenue coming back that they can do additional projects yeah that that's from the it's only $12,000 yeah it's not a lot yeah it is not a lot but it's actually generated from those housing loans that are above LMI so we have designated funds for those through general fund established with general fund and that's a revolving so those dollars come back to community development and we use those dollars that are classified as general fund because they're not loan pool because they're not federal and they don't have the same restrictions as all the federal dollars that's why those are that's pretty good right that's the right funding source for that use so under CDBG there are a couple of categories public services of course we talked about that a little earlier that addresses the needs of the community for various needs and then there's non-public service and so those are where you will find you know your acquisition your public facilities improvement economic development those that is the pot of money that has generally since 2017 really been focused on city projects and funding oh the public services for the non-public service non-public service those have been really focused on city projects that Missy mentioned earlier so I do have a question where would homeworks fit they would fit under non-public service eligibility is based on the activity that you do so that is housing rehab which means that is non-public service and of course all projects that we do you know of course they have to align with the consolidated plan priorities funding criteria in our subject to all compliance requirements under hut regulations the priorities for go on to the next slide before I do oh can you tell Tyler a little bit about the NOFA process or is that a part of this if you hear me saying acronym please stop me because sometimes it's a foreign like a foreign language and want to make sure everybody understands what it means so the city's five-year consolidated plan an annual action plan process the the next consolidated plan will cover the year 25 2025 to 2020 not we are currently ending the current five years we're in the fourth year right now and the fifth year will be 24 25 which is the next fiscal year for us so that means we don't have to have this done this year we'll be submitting it next year yes but the process right begins this year because as you see it's a long process that's what I was that's what I was worried about yeah so components of the concept excuse me the consolidated plan really is is really to help of course the jurisdictions assess their affordable housing and community development needs and to market and market conditions and it is heavily data driven and it also is driven by community input and outreach so that is the focus these are the components the consultation and citizen participation the actual consolidated plan itself it covers multi-year so it's a five-year five years worth of priorities and goals that are assessed and also in that process it assesses the housing needs community development needs and the analysis of housing and economic market conditions so there's a lot of data that goes into this particular plan and in addition to the plant to the five-year plan we also simultaneously do the first year of the annual action plan so and that is you know the the consolidated plan is made up of five years of action plans and each year we have to tell HUD how we're going to utilize our dollars based on the priorities that we have set also when we have had a change in plans we have had to go back and amend or sometimes yes substantial amendment yeah okay but it did the thing is but it's doable it is doable yes and of course like any other plan plans change as time goes on so you can always go back and amend but this process is really dedicated to making sure that our priorities and our goals are set for the five years with every every activity that we fund must meet one of it has to assist in those priorities and goals so and of course that's the action plan and then the end of the process is that the end of the year we do I won't say it we do a consolidated annual performance and evaluation report a caper okay so that's the closing so that is the entire process of the consolidated plan there that's very straight forward so not the complicated or confused but community development will have a consolidated plan planning will be doing a comprehensive plan update to so we don't have that on our topic of conversation but there are two different plans that will be sort of following the same cycle and do you all work together in development of those yeah and we do incorporate that information into our plan as well oh yeah the data absolutely so this is just to give you a timeline just very general of how this process works of course so in March we'll begin because we have in the past had a consultant so we procure this process and so that gives us time to get the consultant on board June through July we start with public input meetings and gathering data we do various electronic surveys that we send out as well to all citizens are the electronic surveys effective do you get good numbers out of those we do because is it better than the in-person numbers um I would say they are wait let me back up yeah are the end have the in-person numbers got better it used to be more staff and those numbers gotten better so for these particular meetings yes the in-person because we are going to each council district because of the process in which we take we we go to each council district we also do a specific meeting for stakeholders and that is all of our partners any entity that is involved in the city which is quite a few that's your your medical professionals your schools universities school districts all of our partners are part of this process and and those meetings are heavily attended and then in addition the electronic surveys we we specify those surveys we've send them to stakeholders we have them that go that are published for citizens and neighborhoods we have them that are even sent to city council members so we want to get everybody's input in our department so there's various input strategies so my next question would be from hud's perspective are they looking for any one of these groups or categories to get the most attention in what is ultimately done with the strategy so what I'm saying is do they want us to make sure that we do what the citizens want or do they I mean is there is there a preference and are that will they come back and say well the citizens that they wanted all of these things that you all chose to do something else or they want to make sure we just get input from each of the stakeholders they want to make sure that we're getting the input that we are focusing you know our dollars on the needs of the community however that is you know put out whether it be through the surveys in person you know city council direction citizen input and ours our communities are very vocal right so they want to be heard and yes all of that information all of those responses they're summarized and they're a part of the document so they are sent in so had we'll see you know the needs of the the community so moving on with the timeline you know we we go through this strategic plan and housing analysis and then in October there is a NOFA process we begin for the action plan that's the notice of funds availability that's what that means and this is where the process begins where we put applications out guidelines out for individuals to apply in the past it's only been for public certain public service entities the mercies the fast-forward the so those are those are examples of some of our public service entities they are everyone's notified we publish it we do a posting in the paper we posted on our website social media we do you know we put it out there however public services as this very small it's a small pot of money and so we normally have maybe right around 240 thousand dollars that's it for that pot of money and so Tyler that would once that that would be like when nonprofits come right and ask you for 30 40 53 million dollars then I say the NOFA process for the funds that we have available because we don't have a process where we just fund grants yeah so CDBG is the only thing that we've had consistently for you know God knows how many years but normally that is where I direct folks to go unless it's a city need like it's something the city may want but if it's a group coming in and they need funds I generally refer them to wait for the NOFA process when the compliance associated with HUD dollars is much more stringent than any other dollars will ever touch so it has to be an organization that can meet eligibility and compliance and so we do a workshop prior to the application being submitted because we want to make sure entities that are looking to apply you know that it's administratively heavy heavy and the regulations are massive for that so that's the application we do the application workshop and the applications then are normally turned in or normally due in December and January or January and this is for both CDBG and HAPWA so we're doing all of this simultaneously right and then in February we do recommendations and we go on and draft the consolidated plan and the action plan based on the recommendations for funding and then you know the public hearings and now the public has an opportunity again to have their voices heard on we've taken all of this information now we've put it in we've drafted in a plan so we put the plan out and we have two public hearings based on the recommendations and all of the activity the priorities that have been set and they have opportunity to voice their opinions once more and the role of the citizens advisory committee for community development in this process yeah sure the CAC they are a task they make the recommendations they review the applications for CDBG and for HAPWA they make the funding recommendations staff is there to assist but those fun those recommendations are made by the CAC and they are the ones that move that process forward we assist them but they move that that process forward so after they make a recommendation it goes to staff it goes when they make the recommendations it goes into the draft plan so those recommendations are going right into the draft plan and that's what we use to actually draft the plan and the CAC does do the presentation normally when we're staffed they do the presentation to city council for the recommendations they have made so when when that process start with so right now we're going into the summer so this process with the CAC will begin soon as well so right now we're we're trying to make sure that we are fully staffed on the CAC this is why it's important for the CAC members for us to have them we are currently in the 24 25 no for process we have very limited CAC members so staff is having to help with that process right now so what are the numbers now that we did the recent the recent appointments I think we they're going three that was missing me we were pointing to two meetings ago and we pointed that last one last meeting so I think I know there's still a vacancy with one day okay cuz I know I made my Dolly the the recommendation for the 24 action plan will come probably to this committee is what I think we've been doing yes in April is that right and have we used this committee as one of the public hearings I can't remember we used it as a so we've used it as a public yes we did we used it as a public forum and we did it here we didn't expect a lot of the public to come no we promoted it and then we use expect folks to come if we were gonna do it here but we do a we do another week this is not the only forum we do we do a public hearing so we actually I don't want to conduct we actually do another doing different a public hearing and then we normally come here as a public forum to ensure that everybody has opportunity to have voice so there is more than just one avenue there the final public forum is for city council to kind of make sure they're aware and to move that action plan forward so the new appointees will be brought up to pace with where we're at within the current action plan absolutely yes okay we're right in the 2425 action plan yes so new point each with some at some point be contacted and start helping out absolutely that's good enough that they still meet they usually meet once a month I get a Tuesday the second Tuesday of each so there's some metal there's applications in hand that they'll start reviewing or is that already in process that's already in process because we couldn't wait for that price that process we have to keep it moving so yeah maybe we'll make sure so they will have final recommendation right in March they should have final be able to review information and help us with that process and do the committee appointments today have to go through any special process to start attending the meetings we do not they don't act we do orientation we do orientation because we want them to have to be educated on the information because it's a lot so who runs it or sketches orientation for y'all I do along with Peyton who is our liaison hey now I know this is totally up so big picture I should know this the big picture what did we do for the current calendar year I know we did a park the CDBG TS Martin and Hyatt Park we did the home loan programs the rehabilitation program so we've we've Randall Park Randall Avenue pocket Park we've added TS Martin and Hyatt face these four and three and four of those parks and OBO is doing their CR CRR program the commercial reinvestment retention and retention and reinvestment way too many words yeah oh facade yes facade which is no longer thing now commercial retention and recruitment or recruitment and retention recruitment it is the facade program we branded yes okay yeah so we have those those are the major non-public service projects that are going on all right and so the reason why I think that this information is important is because we need to know like how this impacts parks how it impacts so have we ever had a specific strategy for how we use the public service funds like whatever that so I know fast-forward and no one say her name but I know that she does have for instance some flexibility so one of the things like I would think of is and this is just totally throwing something out of the air but if we are focused in a certain area we also see that you know they have a lot of kids or grandparents that need computer skills well maybe we can work out something so that these time working with whatever she's doing you know helps a few people identify five or ten people or something like that so we've currently in the last two years with public services has had a strategy to support homelessness I like it homeless services so the agencies that were funded under public services were also agencies that support the rapid shelter okay so that has been a strategy the focus has been on homeless services so that's what the public service dollars have been used for now they may do a few other things in their grant but the focus like you said maybe they're going to do 20 people that support the rapid shelter so okay so I think the the only other thing that I don't think we've covered in here that will be a part of the plan is the areas that we're going to target so you said the focus has been on for public services homeless or homeless whether that the shelter stuff like that right right how did y'all decided focus on that so so that was a priority that came from city administration for us to utilize those dollars or to focus those dollars on homeless services as the rapid shelter was forming and so what we did is we normally public services can be open to any type of service but we we do have the flexibility and that's the good thing about HUD they give you parameters but they don't design your programs so if you have specific focuses you can set that parameter and that's what we did with those dollars we don't right now but we have in the past I believe the last yeah the last entity that used for child care was homeless no more homeless they did their child care we funded that program about job training we've done job training in the past and you'll see in that 10-year report there are specific activities that address those those areas so we've done job training we've done child care support and services so just a wide variety of public service activities and so is it safe to say I guess in the last oh wait maybe I'm looking at the last page I was because I'm also trying to get an idea of I guess in the last couple of years we mostly used funds as a whole CDBG in-house and homeless services that's pretty pretty consistent and non-public services we use for in-house activities park projects resurfacing sidewalks lighting those type of activities within the targeting communities and so how far does how far does 200,000 go with side with street paving so that would be the non-public service so it's more like 800,000 and we did book or Washington I'm saying years ago and it was so the whole book or Washington Heights neighborhood took a large part of the non-public services and we've resurfaced I mean Robert's looking right now with these dollars you have to be within a targeted community there's not many city-owned roads within those communities that we have not touched yet you know 70% of the roads are DOT owned and we've we've he's looking again because it's been a while but we've done a lot of the resurfacing in the targeted communities with CDBG dollars what about sidewalks we haven't really dealt the inside box we've not gotten the request for it but as a project so we're looking at street lighting in one community that is so or am I calling the home homes for hope project there's no street lights there so that's the conversation we're having with public works of what would it take to add pedestrian style lighting in that community so that's a consideration for the future as well tell me what pedestrian style light street lights just right now if you walk that community that's new homes a great great new project there's no street lights that the big is there any difference in the big ones you see like going down barrow versus what you see in inside there are a lot of the so we lease from Dominion the majority of our street lights I think there's like 9700 street lights in the city that we lease they're your normal cover heads your big tall ones that are your the decorative lights we own there's logic behind that if you lease them from Dominion you pay way too much forever and you can buy them up front for a lot less nice street lights you see I'm saying the pedestrian style so you know my part has decorative lighting sorry so if we go into that is still as the court community we will talk about decorative style lighting so your black posts usually they're fluted not always but I'll make a drive to you and what park has decorative yeah that's very good pretty lighting makes a big difference yeah it does yeah I mean I think it makes a difference between somebody moving in the neighborhood not moving it look when I was looking I wanted like my street lights sidewalks you want to walk down the street and feel safe and see where we're going yeah we have very very few sidewalks in neighborhoods in my district I don't have one on I don't think we have any in my neighborhood but my neighborhood is like a little cubby hole that's the right word anything else you all think and we need to be cognizant of oh wait that's the one it targeted areas when we when are we gonna fine-tune our targeted areas so this is a great time to do it anytime when we are developing a new action plan or doing a new consolidated plan it's always a good time to revisit and look at the targeted neighborhoods that or redevelopment areas that have been designated what are the ones that we have now so there's Booker Washington Heights and we've had and I you know I love the Washington they've been there at least since 2010 Eau Claire redevelopment area how long has that been at least in section of the city I think you know I don't know it's been for a long time they've been there a long time there's the lion street King lion Street there is Belvedere pinehurst Brandon anchors cedar terrace these are these are these are all of these I'm done I'll get a list later and we have a map as well yeah and the last one is at a still court because I was listening where some in district one so I was listening hard so is it just one of district one that's the Eau Claire right yes but it's a massive area yeah I do need to see what all that so we so there are maps for that we can make sure you can only reason I bring that up is this really hard to have an impact if yours read across seven different areas and I think for community development we need to decide when I did the facade I follow a plan we had a retail study and the retail study someone else really made the decisions before I even had I mean really someone else had made a decision on where were they gonna do the retail studies and so we followed the retail studies that were done and the good thing about that is I could tell you in two years where we're gonna be and in four years where we're gonna be because we did not deviate from the plan and if we can start at least finding a way to really focus for a short period of time and have an impact that people can see what I like about it is it kind of motivates people to say when they get here because you know we're coming that's that's probably the bigger issue we're coming what what the potential is so I would like to hear some recommendations on that as well as just an assessment on what the targeted areas do we feel that we have met the objectives are we still striving have are there some that we haven't been able to do anything in I'm assuming we've been able to do something in all of them over the years yes but some a lot less than others right and so I guess just trying to just looking at how we approach that do we need to just wait and do one do we need to put all resources into 3 something like do y'all understand what I'm saying but I think all that information will help us at the retreat when we're just trying to figure out well maybe this is you know not the best time to do this area or that area I think that's all that is coming to mind anything else anything I'm not thinking about that y'all are thinking about so I did miss Wilson I talked to the mayor coming in and we had a conversation about and talking to the housing authority they asked so what do you want us to do and I said well we're figuring out what we're doing and you know in our with our community development dollars but hopefully we'll get the charter from Ashley but we try to Columbia Housing Authority and we need to work closer with them so that we're just telling them this is where we're going we need you to come here to or this is where we're going can't get over here can y'all do over there so that we're working so that they are assisting the city in the goals of the city and then no one there would not be any surprises and folks not know who's on first or who's on second and the mayor really liked that too trying to we need to dictate it but in order to dictate it we got to know what we're going to dictate so I think this is a good time that we're going into the five-year plan this might be fun Tyler and I think that's also timely when you mentioned the Madam Chair because we just met this morning to sort of help begin to formulate that agenda but that is a huge part of the agenda for me is the strategy economic and community development strategies lots of great things after right now lots of great conversations but really why all of you are together to really get some good direction on just what you're saying and I think you're right having this type of information coming into the retreat for being others data that I think is going to come together really nicely and and you know some of the other I guess external expertise that we've been talking about to bring in that to there that they need this information as well I mean everybody's be pulling in the same direction yeah some of that guidance from you all on what truly should be the targeted areas and use public and public partnerships, collaborations with cookie house and all of that and I think going real hard to one area and leave oh because that was another thing whenever y'all were in whenever cdbg was in belvedere and booker to washington facade was on belt line you know just trying to put it up put it all together so that people really see because that's the whole point I know we're working and doing stuff um but folks say they you know never see what we're working on and so I think if you do a big impact in a short few years people get to see it and then they know just wait till we get to the next get to your area anything else we're right at two o'clock and that means will because we'll shut off usually at two anything we had one final report out on the town and gowns oh it's just an update real quick on patent sorry tell me what y'all said about borders I can't our recommendation is not going to include them at this point based on the other I think six colleges and universities they they're different in nature and we can obviously evolve as time goes but I think we focus on the ones that are housed here um they seem to be across the country I looked into it and it just adds a little bit of uh if they're operating in columbia are they included so climson with facilities in usc you just open which we can open that door but it is a wider door I got you this yeah because they and I honestly I had heard of it but I saw a commercial and like right here in columbia so no that but I just wanted to make sure we had an answer to that question I don't know if they're yeah but they're not only in columbia they're across they're like the phoenix yeah yeah yeah but really good update since we decided to move forward in the last meeting that I was not here for the mayor has sent written and email communications to all the university presidents and so far we have three on board we're waiting responses no no one's not on board yet and we've also begun conversations with the international town and gown association for them to be the facilitator of the strategic planning in may and we're working on identifying a location in columbia for that at the moment too the goal is to have that done before June before the midst of summer because we know these institutions will have graduation and we want to get that sweet spot before June and then finally we've started working on which staff can attend the conference at the beginning of June to really get the meat of what town and gown can do and what they're already doing across the country and also invite schools to send representatives if they'd like so it's very interactive and when we go for our first official meeting at the beginning of the school year that everyone knows exactly what's going on and it can be productive from the get go is there a cost associated with um the folks helping us out with the strategic planning most likely and at the moment within reason it's in the current community development i believe area the funds yeah well we'll figure we don't have a price yet yes we haven't gotten that which three universities presidents responding columbia international columbia college and then usc about the delizio he was quick and most others have been out two weeks is that right probably about a week hitting the post office we've got a little bit of time left we'll follow back up with the ones that have not yet well that is very good thank y'all so much i appreciate everyone great meeting very informative um i am going to put on my reading glasses and get these lists and let y'all know if we have any changes um madame clark um we would like to adjourn the meeting is there a consensus tyler consensus is will still here i'm sorry is mr brennan okay thank y'all thank y'all so much appreciate it