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You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. Like I said, I am doing well. I was one of the largest cannabis dealers. There is a lot of big players but nobody gets the level in the game like me without the government knowing or a gun. There is a lot of big players but they are double agents or they have government connections. Me, I was a ghost and that is what is so unique to be a ghost. When I got arrested they didn't even know my name. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Who are you? What are you doing here? That is when you know you have done it right but then again you got caught. I know, I don't think about the guys out there right now looking at me like this is this poor boy. You got caught, we didn't. Before we get into everything I always like to go back to the start with my guests. Get about understanding about you Eric, where you grew up and how it all began. It began from pain. It began from being in a place where you don't know if you are going to make it. A place where you are hungry, scared to go home, not knowing where you are going to sleep, drinking out of some stranger's garden hose at night because you are thirsty. But knowing that you have to go home even though it could be abusive or a place you don't want to be. There is no way out because you can't afford to buy yourself food and you can't afford to buy yourself rent and you are just a kid and you just have to kind of try to survive and make it. Eventually I started selling candy as a young kid so I had a little extra money in my pocket which equaled freedom. But that wasn't enough money to really provide for myself food, shelter, safety. And at a young age I couldn't fit in with the other kids that well because I didn't have the cool stuff. I didn't have the nice soccer cleats. I didn't have the coolest backpack. So for me I needed money. Money was the solution to all my problems at a very young age. So tough family upbringing then? Yeah. What about mom and dad? My parents divorced when I was two. My mom remarried shortly after. I grew up with my mom and stepfather. Why is that? Every drug dealer or every criminal, every porn star, every prostitute or only fans that come from the broken home? Everyone? Yeah, well it's because they didn't have a stable environment to follow a legal row. A legal row takes support from your family, a healthy, quiet, comforting and nourishing environment. If you come home and there's rock and roll blaring or drugs or yelling or lack of food in the refrigerator, that's an environment that fosters people that partake in illicit activities, especially if your parents. If your parents are partaking in illicit activities, whether it's drugs, any sort of crime, you're naturally going to become a product of your environment, whether you know it or not. We're all sculpted at a very young age. Between age and one, between age one and seven, 90% of our personality and who we are is programmed into us. So if you want to know who somebody is when you're talking to them, you have to look back at their childhood. Now some people can unprogram themselves from that with a lot of work. You got to go deep. For me, it was sitting in a prison cell alone for a couple years, almost a couple years. I'm just looking at all my mistakes. I've had nothing and I've made millions and millions of dollars and I know what it's like to be in both places. What were you like at school? I had C grades. I passed everything. If I liked the teacher I excelled, if the teacher didn't know what they were doing, I just spaced out, I didn't listen. But some teachers, they go to teach because they want the summers off or the good benefits. They're not necessarily there because they want to create top shelf students. They might be there for the good benefits, the easy life. But the teachers that are really passionate about helping the kids and love their job and are excited that are really animated in front of the classroom, those are the teachers I gravitated with towards and resonated with that taught me things that I could apply to my real life to get what I want in life. Because remember, a knowledgeable person is somebody that knows a lot. Maybe they read a lot in books, but an intelligent person is somebody that knows how to get what they want in life. So back then, I wasn't extremely knowledgeable, but I was very intelligent. What did you do after school? Graduated in, graduated high school in 1997. And I went to college for four years, Plattsburg State University. Studied business management and graduated in 2001. What did you do after that, after graduation? I started a legitimate business building, natural swimming pools, ponds, waterfalls. But I started selling weed at a real young age. That was my main income. I started in 10th grade. Right through college, I sold weed. I became a millionaire shortly after college, age 22. I was very good at what I did. I was good at operating under the radar without the DEA knowing what I was doing. The DEA had a couple kids wear wires on me in college, but I fed them misinformation on the wire, let them on a false trail, and I just, they didn't follow me. I was a nobody. So what age did you buy your first bottle of weed? Was it two ounce you bought for the first time? Eventually, but it was like an eighth. Yeah, I mean, I bought two ounces in college for my first time, but in high school, maybe in 9th, 10th grade, I bought an eighth dime bag. How much was that ounce back then? Oh man, shitty weed, 150 bucks. How much did you double your money? Not quite, because I would smoke with everybody. I would give it away. You think about it. I was giving a lot away for free to keep people happy and to make friends, because I didn't have a lot of friends, because I couldn't play sports. So I was accepted more for the weed I provided, the good laughs, the partying, stuff like that. Do you think that's one of the reasons why you kept doing it is because of the attention you got from having that money and a little bit of power? Yeah, we all want to be loved and recognized for something. It might be for being a good citizen in your community. It might be for having a nice car, cool sneakers. For me, it was being able to go out and buy everybody dinner, drinks. It felt good to take care of everybody around me. So you bought a couple ounce, sold it, made some friends. How do you then keep doing it? Did you see a business side of it and how much money could be made at the start? When I bought my first two ounces, I knew that there was enough money for me to live comfortably. Not fancy, right? By beer, pizza, new sneakers, pants, little things like that. But the freedom of bypassing, paying taxes, all the red tape like that, it was cash business. I had a great run. I was very good at what I did. I took care of all the customers. Gave them the best price on the street. Gave them the best quality that I could find. I always put them ahead of myself. Everybody came ahead of me, my suppliers, my customers. I didn't go to bed until everybody was happy and taken care of. How many bags were you selling, Pid, there? Oh, my God. In college, I had a lot of small bags, a lot of small customers all throughout town. Maybe 20 people a day, 15 people a day. Probably that's about the most I could handle. That's a busy day. You handle 15 people a day. You don't even have to have time to really have a good conversation. And they all want to get high with you too, right? So everybody wants to smoke. How much were you smoking? Oh, fuck, like a chimney. What came to weed? Shitty weed. I first started with shitty weed. But eventually I was getting, back then in the late 90s, they called it kind bud. There weren't names. It was just called kind bud or shitty weed was commercial bud. But I used to get really high. I didn't know people's names. I'd get stupid high. How the fuck did you function? I mean, I functioned, but I was just very blah. You meet people that smoke weed every day. They're sometimes disassociated with their environment or unaware of their environment completely. They know the basics, right? Got to eat, sleep. But as far as really being present and acute to what's going on around them, I think cannabis, cannabis, if you smoke it a lot, it's going to clog up your neuro pathways in your brain. I don't know for sure, but this is science. I've read that somewhere and checked, double checked. Don't quote me, but too much weed is going to gum up your brain. Now, occasionally smoking, if you have pain or something, that's fine. But anybody can do what they want. Me personally, I don't like smoking every day because I get slow, stupid. I'd rather not. I mean, I'd love to love everything about the smell of the plant, the flower, occasionally maybe smoke it once a year for a special occasion. If I'm with the right people or alone, but I don't abuse anything, even sugar, booze, nothing. I like to try things here and there and just coast through life. There's so much life has to offer. Why would I just stop at weed? I smoked weed for 12 years, but I felt that I felt like you're not in the real world. It's like you escape. I felt slow, sluggish. The skin colour changes. People can promote weed and they can say it's a great thing. Listen, there's so many medical benefits from cannabis, oil and stuff like that, but people who smoke joints and they're just different. Their skin colours different, they smell different, trying to organise things with them. They never stick to a plan. I don't know, man. I loved it at the time because it benefitted me. It just slowed everything down, slowed this town. But after a few years, you just don't really... You're not in the real world. I felt for me personally. I know people love it, can still go to the gym, still function, go to work. I was lazy anyway, so that just enhanced it 100 times. But everything, the food tasted better. Everything was funny. I was never angry unless I was craving a bit of weed. But we just used to get high every night. Now that we're talking about it, should we get high tonight, bro? Nah, I've been six years off it. Yeah, I probably will at some point. I'm due for a little smoke, but it's got to be really tasty, something special. Maybe around a campfire, I don't know, something... I don't know, I just don't crave anything. My favorite thing is mushrooms, and I don't even crave those right now. Yeah, I've done that about nine times, but I'm scared to go again. The last time went really deep, so I don't know if I need it. It's still in me. I feel it in me, and it's been a year. Was that a long time? Yeah, I just feel it. I just feel like when I work out and stuff, I tap into that spot. I activate all the channels, because I went big the last time. I told the shaman, I go, and he really gave me a lot. Basically, it helped me with all areas of my life. Normally, Iowa School hit one area, maybe fitness or business or health. But this, it hit everything. Family, money, relationships, gut health. All areas of my life that needed improvement, it just said, reset everything. But it took me down to my knees, bro. It cut my ego in half. I was laying there on the floor, melted out just like a nobody, a speck in the universe, realizing what's important in life. It's stuff that we already know, but it just reminded me that time's short here. Become the best version of yourself. Cut out all the shit that does not serve your higher purpose. That could be the food you eat, the friends you hang out with, the people you do business with, the rooms and environments you place yourself in. You are a product of your environment and the environment has to do with thoughts, people, spaces, everything. So it's like, I want to go to the top. I want to feel good. In order to do that, I need to cultivate an environment that's healthy. When did you start moving through the ranks and selling bigger bits? I started young when I was, I really started moving. Where I had extra money in my pockets to well, when I was age, probably 23, I stopped counting my money. I became a millionaire, 21, 22. And then by 23, by age 25, I started weighing the money. Where it's kind of, or you just, not even weigh it, more just look at the stacks and think about, you know, if somebody says it's a million bucks, you look quick and you say, okay, yeah, that's a million bucks. You don't check every dollar. And occasionally you'll check it to make people, sure people are correct in not playing any games. I moved in through the ranks very steadily. My drip, it was a steady, easy ascent for me in the game. Very skilled, polished, quiet, humble, very picky with who I do business with. Always kept my mouth shut. I didn't even know what I was doing. They knew I had money in my pocket, but they didn't know the details of when a deal was going down, what type of deals I did. They just knew I had money and things were taken care of. What was your first biggest, what was your first big shipment? Probably the first, where I considered a bigger shipment, probably around age 22, quarter million dollar deal. How many kilos? Oh, back then, back then that's only, the high end product, that's only 50 kilos. Or less. We didn't do the metric systems, pounds, but yeah. Where were you sourcing your gear from? For a decade, I was pulling it out of Canada. Why Canada? Because that's where all the, in the late 90s, early 2000s, that's where the largest indoor cultivation facilities were located. I think the laws were less strict up there. What was the laws for wheat back then? I never knew the laws in Canada, I never understood. I just don't think they prosecuted as much, they would just take old factories and renovate them and turn them into massive grow houses. Hundreds of thousands of square feet all over the place. How much was it to set up a grow? That wasn't my specialty, my specialty's only smuggling. So you weren't growing them yourself? Never grew wheat. That 100% profit, did you never think about going down that route or was it just too easy to get it from someone passing it on? I didn't like the cultivation because if you have heat from the feds you can't move your facility. Anytime I have heat, I can quickly move my whole operation within a matter of hours. Whether I have to dump stash houses, move inventory, there's so many different things but if you have a grow facility, you can't move anything, the only thing you can do is burn it. So see when you're making money, the kid who comes from the broken home quite unhappy, quite lonely, what was it feeling like when you started making some serious paper? It came a little fast so I was too young to really embrace all the things that money could do for me. Money, really I spent it on stupid, well I didn't spend a lot of it on stupid. I spent it on people, I just invested in people's handshake agreements and business ideas. Oh I have a business idea, let's shoot a documentary. I spent 2 million bucks without a contract, just blew money on stupid stuff like that or let's invest in this real estate endeavor and throw a million bucks into that without a contract. So I just threw a lot of money around it. It felt good, it felt good to go to bed at night knowing that I didn't have to worry about how I was going to eat and where I was going to sleep. Did you feel used? No I didn't get, I never got to that point, not till after I got arrested where I had time to reflect. I was so deep in the business that things were constantly moving around me that there was never time to stop, breathe reflect and think about who I was what I was doing, why I was doing it. I was just a robot in the system. Make money, make money, make money. How much were you making per month at the height of it? The height? I was probably bringing in I was probably doing per month probably 700 grand profit probably maybe a little less. I never counted how much I made per month it was always per year, per year around Christmas time I didn't go home to my family much during Christmas so when everybody was doing Christmas that's when I would like check my net worth I kind of did that myself it was kind of my Christmas presents myself so I tally up what I had in the street what I had buried what I had in inventory and that's how I'd figure out my net worth once a year. Was that a lonely journey for you? That part of it was but when I get lonely I just call an escort. Yeah, you like your hookers huh? Yeah, I like to I don't know if I'll call them hookers but I guess you could call them that but I just like female attention sometimes it's hard to have a girlfriend in that business because you never know you can't explain to your girlfriend where you're going to be they'll start asking questions there was phases in my life where it was just easier to call a girl when I needed to see a girl and it could be just a back scratch it's not always sex it could be just talking it depends on what the connection is Did you just need someone there? Yeah, I love I had friends but I needed I need female energy in my life every week How much were you paying? Uh Pens, I mean if she drove to me and got a car service I might spend 5,000 to have a girl come to me for the evening and then I'd pay her travel expenses Five banks? Must be top dollar It depends, it depends I've gotten top shelf girls for 600 bucks top shelf and then I've gotten girls for 5,000 I was attracted to and I was just like kind of told them to go home and I still gave them the 5,000 just thought it was a courtesy and I didn't want to have any problems but it's some girls have run down if you're an escort long enough it can run you down you're drinking wine with your clients you just get unhealthy but some escorts really take it seriously healthy and work out healthy diet and some girls come here straight from Europe come here to New York City and they're beautiful healthy and it's easy quick money it's a quick way to integrate yourself into American society if you have good looks you can make money that's the bottom line it doesn't matter what you're doing if you have money with good looks you can quickly come into New York City make a half million cash a year no problem just to start have you ever been in love? yeah when? maybe three or four times but I've only had one girlfriend that's really I've only had one girlfriend where I like tiered up over was it painful? she was a good girl she was a little older than me I ended up it was just a difficult time in my life she's still a good girl I like her she's not for me anymore this is going back 12-15 years ago do you struggle to keep relationships friendships? love? no yes and no I would have had do you know who's genuine if you're paying 5,000 if you're spending money investing into people whether it's you being used whether you like to believe it or not because anything in life to be successful is lonely I'm here it's lonely but I just know it's taking me to the next level but what is the next level? it's just all in here but it becomes lonely and then for you you seem to be investing into all these people who are the wrong people without people truly understanding you and seeing you for who you were and asking you about your childhood it seemed to have been you who was putting her hand in her pocket for me that's something that's not what friends do that's not what love is in my own opinion yeah you know I I a lot of people a lot of people use me but it's taking me sitting alone for a long time to now be able to walk up to somebody and pretty quickly be able to tell if they're genuine you know when you hang out with somebody there's only two ways you can feel after you hang out with them either charged or drained so anybody that I go see after if I feel tired I'm not going back I'm not going back it's no disrespect for them they're just in a different place in life or a different path unless it's somebody that really needs my help like somebody in the hospital or something that's a different story but general just like everyday life people that just nothing's more important than your gut feelings I mean your mind's okay but your gut comes first then your gut sends the signal to your heart and then your heart sends the signal to your brain so you really have to follow your gut with everything that you're doing and don't listen to people don't listen to people that are telling you how to live life unless they've done it I don't take it business advice for people that have never run a business successfully I don't take relationship advice for people who are divorced I just take advice for people who are doing it and uh and uh yeah I mean life of a drug dealer good life you know what I'm saying is a good run I like you ever seen the original TV show Miami Vice in the 80's Don Johnson those suits his white linen suits and just like chasing the bad guy for me I don't care if I was the good guy or the bad guy I just like the chase that's all that is I think is the chase I had a mafia guy on today he was just saying it's like the life of crime and the glorifying the gangsters and the mafia they'll snitch on each other they'll kill each other they're all fucking each other's wives there's just no loyalty in it but yeah it's glorified but yeah when you're in that life it's sexy you feel important but it's just an ego trip it's all bullshit it's all an illusion it's all fake but yeah we create it in here so much but it's mad where were you supplying to all along the east coast I pulled mostly out of Canada brain into New York state I had multiple warehouses in the country and then from there I'd have my driver smuggle it down the east coast every single state Carolinas, Virginia, Pennsylvania Massachusetts, New York Florida a little bit New Orleans even all the way out to St. Louis and I didn't distribute it locally I didn't ever sell locally in my town because I didn't want any heat a little business building natural swimming pools, ponds, waterfalls tiny little thing, nothing big but that was my cover so when I go out to eat in town or anything I do they don't know anything I'm just a nobody, nothing flashy no jewelry, low key car and I liked it that way yeah I love that that for me is what it's about if you're in that lifestyle everybody I know are getting fucking poor shoes and Lamborghinis Range Rovers, 50 grand watch and you think it's just calling out for a prison sentence because it gets the better of you because you want to compete, you want to show people you're doing well but it's the ones who fly under the radar it's the ones who are quiet it's the ones who are working in the pool job and just think you're an average Joe who fly under the radar for me if I was to be active again I wouldn't touch with another bee but it would to be just being the nice guy next door it's crazy though everybody goes flash why did you keep it so calm for someone who craved attention and wanted friends as well I watched in the Miami Vice the TV show when I was a kid when I was a teenager I'd watch it and it was always the guys that had the fancy cars big mansions that the DEA went after you don't want to make them jealous that's what it comes down to a lot of them are jealous because they're working busting their ass putting their life on line every day for somebody to be fucking rubbing their face because they'll think I'm going to get him so that's where you got the inspiration to fly under the radar in Miami Vice I learned a lot from there how the judges work, how the lawyers work what wires are when you're 15 years old and you understand what an indictment is or undercover work how it works, how they follow license plates surveillance all this stuff I picked up from those shows and then I learned more on my own just for trial and error as I got bigger in the game so you're just flying totally under the radar how much, how many kilo were you bringing in per month I don't know about weight but I was doing probably let's say I was doing 60 million a year in sales what's that about 5 million a month 5 million a month I would say that's at my peak I didn't start out like that but I had probably 3 years where I was running at that level when I got arrested things were slowing down leading up to it the market was getting flooded, California was flooding the East Coast in the late 90's early 2000's weed wasn't it's popular there wasn't much of a supply then come 2008, 2009 the supply increased dramatically in the United States because they were more lenient in California and California was pumping out metric tons and tons how many people did you have working with you I only had a tight crew maybe 4 or 5 drivers that I'd rotate through I had maybe one warehouse guy for managing inventory one just general runner guy that would do anything I needed on the side so what do you think maybe 5, 6 people like they kind of just but no one person not one lieutenant of mine knew everything about my organization so if anybody got arrested at any time they could only tell what they knew I knew everything but didn't tell anyone person I used to do a bit of weed back then the thing about weed it was always cash it was always cash in hand there was never any dramas I never had dramas when I done weed ever it's always cash but when you're doing the bigger bits do people try to fuck you over not when I was in the game I got robbed once I got robbed out of a for my house about a half million when I was away cash no inventory but they sold it for cash that happened I've had why did you keep it in your house I was just sloppy I had to catch a flight and I didn't have time to move it to another place there's times when I spread myself thin I didn't follow my own protocols and procedures so I would just take shortcuts when you take shortcuts those are all the times when you get in trouble and just sloppy how were they wrapped with the smell was there any smell coming off everything was vacuum sealed so no smell no trace but they can make those dogs jump to anything if they suspect it they just kick the dog in the leg and it'll jump then you're making millions of everything above when did it come on top then how did you end up getting caught if you seem to have 2009 my business was plateauing and declining same time I guess you could say well declining and uh I was just trying to hold it together while I was trying to get out of the business at the same time there was just so many moving parts it was hard to get out I had millions fronted on the street few million in inventory prepaid orders there's so many moving parts that I couldn't just collect everything at once and walk away so it was a struggle that I faced on a daily basis but my margins were shrinking my customers complained my price was getting too high so I decided to take a ride out to California and I reaching out trying to figure out where all the new weed was coming from because I didn't know anything about California I only knew about Canada there's a lot of growers out there growing boutique weed really nice stuff and I decided to start sourcing from there so I set up a little warehouse a little bit of transportation to get to the east coast but it wasn't professional transportation I hired this female mountain biker Mrs. Jovi she's one of the fastest mountain bikers at the time and I hired her to drive the load I paid her $60,000 to drive it but she tricked me and subbed the job out to her massage therapist for $3,000 and didn't tell her what was in the back of the truck she got caught speeding pulled over and searched the truck put GPS unit on it they filed the truck to my property in upstate New York where they found me and arrested me found a million and a half between both my houses a couple million in cash and they wanted me to work under cover but I wouldn't do it they said you have a small window to crop where nobody knows we're here just get on with your life and I didn't do it so they arrested me and threw me in jail I just bailed out though they got bailed out they were following me around trying to see who I was who I knew what I was doing I had a lot of money in the streets I had to try to collect that I'd have loose hands it was difficult with all that heat on me at the moment because the American gangster they went to the boxing and I think she bought him a mink coat and that was the moment this is who is he ringside 50 grand coat and that's what drew attention to him it's mad how because they're always watching one mistake and it's caught like you flew under a radar had it perfect one mistake and it wasn't from you well it was from you as well because you should have been more on it with the driver to make sure they were going instead you had someone else what was it feeling like when you get caught because you're such a you're so laid back you're like a laid back character has that always been your presence you don't give away much I don't know if that's no it's true you wouldn't know what the fuck you were doing anything because you don't give much away look at me you can't figure out what I have nothing to say I have a haircut sure enough you fucking ten out of ten girls on your phone but listen I I was a quiet guy and I still am and I don't even do anything wrong right now but you take the same principles from the street and you apply them to the legitimate world it's the same stuff you stay quiet you do slow steady wins every day slow steady business take care of all the people around you suppliers customers put everybody ahead of yourself that's how you really win be a man of your word my word is more important than all the money in the world I don't want anybody a penny and I feel good about that did the police come through your door or did they watch you first before they jumped on you they just picked me up right there picked me up and they searched my house illegally they had a weak case I fought them for a couple years and I got re-arrested for laundering money to pay my lawyer I couldn't I didn't have the money and they froze my bank account so I couldn't pay my lawyer they allegedly say I was laundering money to pay my lawyer I didn't get charged with that because at a later date I the feds wanted me to work undercover for them and set people up but eventually I made a deal where I decided to basically set myself up so I went out in the woods and shackles because I was re-arrested a second time for laundering money to pay my lawyers allegedly and the deal I made with them the second time is if you really want money I'll get you some money that's when I went out and shackles in the woods they escorted me and I dug up close to ten million dollars in gold bars I buried I gave it to them how much less did you get off your sentence I don't know it's hard to say if I had to guess maybe eight nine ten years maybe I don't know it's hard to say if I had to guess eight years is that worth it one million a year yeah your freedoms are different for me people they've probably done the eight years for the ten million but for me money can always be made time can never always be time can never be bought it can never be replaced time can never be replaced but like I say money can always be made so for me it's the right decision if it's your last ten million it's a difficult one but for me a hundred percent if you're getting eight years off your sentence you fucking give it up man ten million no problem I'll make that back when I'm out next time so what was that so who would who would they want you to give up when you get caught they want you to just keep working buy it from who you buy it from and sell it to whoever you sell it to and then they do all their work behind the scenes would you have had to add a wire to anything I didn't even ask I didn't even get that far I just know it's basically the way it works is I would have taken that load and went and sold it to wherever maybe brought them the money back and then they would have watched that person for a while and got them at a later date I don't know how they have all different strategies but for me it was now granted I had to sit down I told them what I did you just can't lie to them it's like you can't lie but you don't have to tell them everything that's my deal and my contract basically tell us what you did give us this much money and that's it and they still send this to me to a little less than two years in prison but well I got I did almost two years what was that like and present for the first night hmm well it depends when the first time I got arrested it was relaxing because nobody was calling me I didn't have any I didn't have to be a boss I didn't have to take care of things I just passed out but eventually I didn't mind the alone time I just didn't like the food there was good food that would be like going to a retreat right get your mind right work out reset think about what you want to do in life think about your purpose keep ya go Boz the one to leave ya fuck yeah man you know I can make money back I just need a good team that's all it is the thing is it wasn't the money that lost my team I lost a good team of people I'll never I can't go back to those people but we had a good operation I had to weed through hundreds of people over the years to get a core team of people that knew how to think like me and execute when I wasn't there the way I'd want it to be done and trust trust yeah trust is a key one yeah yeah trust yeah just be able to front somebody a million dollar load no one back a week that's hard to do now yeah I have to have lawyers for little ten thousand dollar deals I'm like what the fuck is this you know it's just like people have chasing money down for three thousand bucks right now I have somebody always mean for a contract three thousand dollars are you serious like I just I'm not used to that but it's okay so I bag the gold obviously when you bury money people might not know but money can it can go moldy it can stick together you can lose money if you bury well UK notes I know but maybe dollars are different so what was the meaning behind the gold bars because you know it would hold its value as well maybe price would go up plus it wouldn't disappear unless someone knew where it was buried what was the meaning behind gold gold is mainly because it holds its value against inflation usually yeah not always I think this went up gold copper everything prices always go up probably should be higher though don't you think should be higher let's have a place with the market can play about with the stock so yeah I don't really know too much about I just know gold does hold its price in his Rolexes and was that the meaning behind it because you know you wouldn't lose if you kept the gold I was at a bigger meaning behind it wait meaning you had what when you got the gold instead but I bought the gold though because you can't cash loses value if I just saved cash I mean how much has gold gone up in the past 10 years I don't know I don't even know 80% 60% I'm not sure but it holds its value anybody that's burying $100 bills go dig that up in 10-20 years it's not gonna be worth much probably won't even have cash around in 10-20 years right how hard was the decision to give them 10 million what for gold was an easy decision it was hard I didn't even give it to them well at once I gave them 5 million at first at this point a little less than 5 I think I gave them 5 at first just to see how I could trust them where was the gold? in the Adirondacks New York foothills of the Adirondacks upstate New York in the woods any people could have been walking over that every day? depends where it was there were a few different spots but yeah anybody could what were you thinking when you were it was deep it was deep so it was like it would be hard to pick up metal detector did you ever think it could have sank as well because obviously when you see your coffins and you're burying the dead sometimes they just keep I'm not burying dead bodies but I mean if you're putting someone down in a coffin they keep sinking did you ever worry that I never even knew that I didn't know that yeah because it's in mud but yeah the places I put this in were rocky or soil I mean it would look pretty stable to me so it was I gave them 5 million I gave them the other 6 million because well I gave them close to 12 million in cash and gold but I I gave them 5 at first and then another 6 and a half a few weeks later so they wouldn't press me to work for them because they just want always more I made a deal and then they want more who are you getting it from where are you doing it do this set this person up all this stuff and I just so I had to build trust with them I gave them a little at a time to see how trustworthy they could be till I made a deal that felt right and fair to me could you have not made that deal the first 5 million to get it in paper decent lawyer sign this low sentence 2 years out and about maybe from day 1 if my lawyers I could have got a deal for maybe 2 million plus 2 years in prison but I missed that opportunity I didn't even know that opportunity exist one of my lawyers actually didn't let me know about it which I was a little disappointed but I probably wouldn't have taken it anyways so I understand why I didn't let me know but I had a strong case they illegally searched my home but then I got a re-arrested a second time and my case was weaker when I was laundering the money allegedly to pay my lawyers so it was a battle and I was only what 30 years old 31, 32 and I was just young and didn't have experience on negotiating with the law all I knew was I was good in the streets and I knew if I ever got in trouble that I would go down with the ship I wasn't going to take and just start setting up all the people around me that helped me from the bottom I respect that though I've got massive respect for you for not snitching people just turn queens and just start snitching on everybody to get lower sentences if you're in a life of crime you've got to fucking stick by you've got to handle what is coming to you no matter if you've been set up to be put in prison or put in prison because you deserve there if you start turning and snitching that's just for me and that's not right no matter what's done if you're in a life of crime accept that man up accept what's coming like too many pussies man too many bitches not just in every yeah that's why I'll never go back I'll never go back because I know that the majority of all the people I worked with have folded in a second I saw a lot of people fold that I didn't think would the girl Missy Jovi that she folded in a second like she crushed me I actually didn't think she would I didn't think she would fold but she was she was all talk she runs her mouth and she just lies a lot what one was this the 60 grand girl to drive yeah women would fold in a minute we'll take your mum and dad's house we'll take your kids men crumble easy there's not many staunch women who would fucking stand and take the punishment you get through under the bus straight away yeah do you think you can be too trustworthy then but you seem very calculated though I'm calculated but I'm not using it I'm not using my skills in the underworld anymore my skills are now going into the legal world I'm gonna set up I'm gonna set up a company right now that can scale I'm gonna map it out this winter I'm gonna start building it come spring summer if you're looking for a business partner brother you know where I am what do you want to do anything you want weed heroin cocaine whatever you want this is what I always tell people everything is possible everything is limitless I want to do really high end off grid retreats places where people can reset and recharge where they plug in you know we plug our phones into charge we plug our cars into charge but the human body isn't being plugged into spaces that charge us and I'm gonna build spaces that charge you in harmony with the earth and nature the sun really chic and sexy but very natural and healing we're grounding sun gazing natural foods meditation cold water therapy everything growing from the earth that's what it's all about that's what humans should be man we're not disconnected because we chase money we chase fame we chase alcohol women it's all low vibrational man what was it like being in prison then how did you handle that that was good for me I worked on my business plans map things out I just didn't like the food how were you treated in prison fine people like me I had the best I had the best sell in our unit I had people get me good food from the kitchen extra chicken extra eggs I was treated well what prison were you in I was in a couple different jails in upstate New York I was in two different prisons but where I spent the most of my time was in FMC Devin's federal prison very easy it was like a medium it was a medium and there was a satellite camp on the side of it so it was easy I was like in a camp for most of the time but I spent time in the hole I spent a little over a month in the hole getting moved around just this protocol when they're moving you around and stuff and when I first got arrested they put me in a shitty cell and for four months trying to crack me get me to work for them fold collapse but that's all in my book I explained in the book how I how I navigated my deal with the government like I recommend reading the book yeah your books called pressure pressure a memoir by Eric Kenori yeah we'll leave the link in the description because it's sweet as well it's not it's not is it classes in America the same as UK AB like obviously cocaine is a classy heroine because weed is not you're a stone cold killer as well so imagine you've got better prisons better treatment classy category prisoners we call them in the UK where there's the ruthless and they have to get fucking chauffeured around with guys and guns because they're so dangerous do you know what I mean because it's weed as well it's not what is the biggest sentence you can get for weed supply I was looking for my crime 5 to 40 years yeah the judge hopefully wouldn't go that high but the laws are strict still in New York it's still in the United States cannabis is federally legal schedule schedule one drug if they really want to if you get caught with over 100 kilos of cannabis right now illegally I mean you can pay they could get federal time on you but they're not going to really do that anymore but they're going to change the laws in New York there's some things going on and not in New York in the United States so he says you were in prison that gave you a lot of time to reflect on your life what sort of stuff were you thinking about who I want to associate what's important what I want to do before I die being thankful for what I have try and enjoy every day I'm all done hoping for a beautiful retirement oh I'm when I'm old I'm retired I'm going to live on a beach no fuck no I'm going to be on a beach now so every day I work a little and I play a little like it's my last day I don't live on a beach but I make sure every day or every other day I get to go swimming outside somewhere whether it's winter or summer and I make sure I spend a little time and slow down but I still work hard I still put in 10 hour days of work at least but I also play a little at the end of the day one thing I cut out is I don't party I don't drink I don't do drugs because that slows you down I don't need to what the fuck am I going to go drink some beers and laugh about a bunch of shit I'll forget about tomorrow what sort of drugs were you taking I've tried everything as a kid but really it was just coke and booze I really like pills I like pills but I just like downers like pharmaceuticals oxy-cottons oxy-codones Percocets I like that stuff very easy to take relaxing but I don't do any of that shit it's been years yeah that stuff just fucking numbs your brain you become a zombie what was the steps to get out of prison do you get a year in license like the UK or how does it work how do you work get out of prison yeah what was the steps to get out of prison they got me out quick that's in my book too it's complicated but I had an appeal I was appealing an aspect of my case because technically it was illegal because of the it's complicated it's called an Ogden memo the scheduling of cannabis shouldn't be a schedule 1 it should be a schedule 3 because there are some medical benefits so my lawyer had some thing that he was fighting so I got out pretty quick I got out like less than 2 years a couple months early it's very easy you get out somebody picks you up at the courthouse you go home you sit on supervised release for 5 years basically supervised release is you pee in a cup whenever they call you you tell them how much money you spend how much money you make you tell them if you're leaving the state I hated supervised release I just hate being checked up on but whatever it was what I had to do now I'm free this is the first time in my life this is my last interview by the way I don't want to talk about my story anymore it's the past I have new shit to focus on I've said this story so many times that I'm over it like I'm done I don't even want to think about it it built me it got me to where I'm at I learned a lot of lessons but this is old Eric crime bullshit I'm going to build these healthy treats I understand that like you see there's got the better time you flip the chapter and you're thinking what have you done anything new there's only so much shit people can listen to all the time without bringing something new to the table so I listen I totally get that and I respect that it's good that you're thinking that way as well because it's fucking draining talking about your pain in the past and fucking shitting giving up 10 million gold bars I would never want to repeat that I paid the money I got kicked around I learned a lot of shit I had a lot of things going on in the last 10 years man I've been airlifted to the ICU a couple of times for reckless accidents I've just had a lot of shit where I just had a lot of time to sit alone I'm 44 now man I'm like you know what I just closer to the end than the beginning it's like it's time to really live for me right you know wake up every day good intentions be a good person and build a legal business that helps people's lives and have fun doing it and have cool people involved you can have a good time like have it all as one I don't like separate life like 9 to 5 and then it's the weekend and we play and party like no every day have a good time little work little play let's build a better world together and have a good time how many people visited you I didn't want visitors it makes time go too slow because when they leave you miss them I don't like visitors I had a couple family members come just to update me about my business activities let me know how the outside world is going say hi give them a hug I don't like visitors I like letters do you think that's what you are about just kind of blocking things out and never really speaking when was the last time you cried I cried when my dog died years ago there was this one girl updated that I teared up a little over recently just a little felt in it felt good just like I was driving and there was this little time something with my father and family I was driving home from a family event I've only probably cried 5 times in 20 years but there was this family event this past year I drive home from and I was like wow I was driving home at like 1 o'clock in the morning dark on the highway by myself and it hit me I was like I really don't have any family and I teared up for a minute I was just like holy shit I'm doing this life alone because I know my family but I'm just not close with them that's a whole long story so it's like I just accept it I'm in this life alone bro you know it's just it but I'm thankful to be alive imagine how many people that have family that are miserable in it at least I'm not miserable I'm just at I'm at peace I wouldn't say I'm happy but I'm at peace when was the last time you were happy happy shit I don't even know what happy is ha ha ha ha ha ha no wonder you take so many fucking pals bro the block out of your fucking family I think you should get back dealing mate getting high mate that's what I believe mate because your fucking mate your 44 your life ain't fucking over no no but what's happened listen I'm at peace what's happened what peace why do I go through life at peace mate alright alright alright I might I think I'm on an upswing right now I think this might be my last interview and things are going to go uphill for me because I don't want to talk about this shit anymore it's fucking over bro I fucking big deal I sold fucking weed I was good at it I'm a businessman I'm not a criminal I'm a fucking businessman what about having kids I'm an old man now man it's like Robert De Niro just had one at fucking 85 oh really how old's the girl 30 ha ha ha it's good we gotta see a picture of that pull that up for me yeah listen for me family's everything we can chase that's just because there's so many fuck ups that I've done in the past the bad stuff the feeling sorry for myself the blaming everybody else but for me it's family the reason I work so hard is to provide for my kids nothing else really matters that's awesome I respect that because for me I was always afraid to have kids because of what I was doing I would never want my kids to be around that now that I don't break the law anymore that could happen but for me it's like I never want to expose to my life my life was unstable yeah we had a a hit man on today his son's in prison he lost his daughter last year to overdose and that's his biggest regret he wasn't there enough for his family he chose a life of crime he chose friends who he fought with friends who fucked him over and there's too many broken homes now and I've interviewed enough people to understand coming from a broken home raises your chances of going to prison being a drug dealer getting involved in crime being involved in the sex trade and fucking it's sad because as men and female we still don't have one partner as well but we're living a life where it's porn prostitutes and it's easy to get laid you get fucking dating apps for yourself as human beings we are so lost from what we should be and that's been a higher power and a good vibration salt sheet foods and it's just people are confused and it's not that they're bad it's just all they've been taught and it's trying to unwire that to understand you've got greatness and you can do anything you want in your life but if you've done something for 10, 20, 30 years of doing bad shit it doesn't change overnight people can't reprogram that it takes years and years of changing it that's the painful thing would you change anything from the past I really don't know there's nobody I personally know that I've traded lives with I don't think I don't know my life but what you said I was programmed I was in that under world for 15 years at least maybe a little longer when you count doing the prison time and all that but it's taken me just as long 14 years to deprogram myself I'm finally finally probably this month I can officially say I'm breaking free from all the past it's taken me 14 years reprogramming it's work you gotta be like down for exercising and eating right and saying no to people that aren't good for you and like all that shit is discipline every single day you have to wake up with a purpose and be disciplined to stay on track nobody can do it for you you can spend money on gurus and fucking consultants and doctors but I've tried that route spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and the best stuff I've learned is for free being alone in nature and collecting your thoughts because only you know what's best for you you're not stupid everybody knows what's best for them selves it's just sometimes I get it you do need to talk to people who wants to be alone I have a high threshold for being alone in pain just because I spent so much time alone as a kid grounded and trapped so I can handle it I'm not saying it's good to do you should have a good support group around you but I've learned to fight a lot of battles alone but you know that's it man the deprogramming if you really want to change your life prepare to spend time alone to reset and the easy way out isn't always the best way the best way for me has always been the hardest way did you ever do therapy no I mean when I was in middle school some court mandated there judge or something said I needed to go to a therapist for the divorce said I was a troubled kid in school it was more just well maybe I was I was just I was grounded as a kid all the time so when you let me out of my cage to go to school of course I'm going to be a fucking animal imagine locking your dog in a cage all day and then when you let it out of the cage it's going to fucking run around and bounce off the walls that was me maybe you should have taken that fairy pair up you ended up in a fucking prison one America's biggest weed dealer maybe the teacher was on to something we're dealing with the Mexican weed lot bigger than me but me it was a very high end indoor weed that's what was unique I was very big in that arena and that's the boutique quality weed see that organization that you had did you ever think about doing the more darker stuff the heroin and the cocaine too much prison time the judge don't like it chances are most judges have at least smoked weed once so when they're staying there looking at somebody like me are you going to put me away for 40 years so see when you get out of prison what was the plans in did you ever think about becoming active again no fuck no I don't trust I assume anybody that comes up to me and tries to ask me anything it's wearing a wire it's working there's so many double agents out there as you get older in the game you'd be surprised how many double agents you know when you're young in your 20s there's so many double agents people haven't gotten busted yet so I was working from a cleaner's sleep but right now I'm red flagged for life it's like I walk a straight line I don't even jaywalk do you not yeah sometimes if I'm late for a date so how's was it 14 years since you got out oh shit what year is it 2020 I got out about 9 years ago how's it been lonely I wrote a book writing a book was lonely but I've had a few good girlfriends and you know I've had time to train to train for the world I'm getting ready to go into I'm going back to business I haven't worked much I haven't worked like I worked like I've worked but I haven't been a leader being a leader is a totally different type of work because you need to take care of everybody around you and make sure they all eat and I'm getting ready to probably be a leader again do you feel as if you lost yourself no no I'm more collected than ever I'm healthy I'm strong you know I'm a little lonely just because I don't have family but that's fuck it I've accepted that but I'm I'm excited to have a little fun I want to work with some cool people I just want to bring good people in I don't need to get huge right away the next endeavor I create will only be as big as the people around me allow it I'm not going to bring a bunch of people I only might bring one person in but hey if I find ten good people I bring ten people in I don't know but I'm not letting you're only as strong as your weakest link and I'm not letting any phonies in anymore I'm not letting any weaklings in I'm not letting any people to talk shit good vibes only when you come to the table you better bring good vibes yeah how was it rating your book what was the best job in my life I had to remember shit I had to learn how to write books I had to take courses reading books structure it's so hard then I had some days it would take three hours to write three sentences I get frustrated just sitting in front of the computer man it was hard what was the good thing when you were involved in that life what was the positives positives are never having to look at price tags or you always have to look over your shoulder did you ever become a target because you were shifting so much for other people no because nobody knew how much inventory nobody knew how much volume I was doing I didn't tell anybody everything was a need to know basis if I do a million dollar deal with you you don't know that I have two other million dollar deals I have to do later that afternoon you think you're the only special person in the world that's the way I like it need to know basis that means if you get all you can tell them is what you know what we did you can tell them nothing else it's not as the the police taking your gold and the money those fuckers put some in their own pockets I don't know where is definitely a little bit of money I don't know I'm not going to get into that but yeah I got ran man I don't even I got fucking hammered on I gave them a ton but you know it's the lesson learned I just I didn't want to have to worry about them coming back after me I didn't want to have to worry about I just wanted to be able to look in the mirror and start over listen I already made the millions millions don't really a lot of the shit you buy is shit like I do like money okay but it's just a tool listen I want to make millions again I want to make millions again but the money is just for me to build and create more I don't personally need millions just the businesses that I create need millions to move because I that's my game like it's my sport I like to connect dots and make shit happen but personally even when I make millions when I was making millions before I didn't have any furniture in my house I didn't give a fuck I'm not going to sit down I don't have time to sit down I had a bed I had a bed and a chef that's it and I work and I draw a lot of condoms yeah it depends how much you are paying me you know the clean ones are more expensive it depends I don't know I don't like to get too much into that I don't have a wife ever are you talking like that no it's in but like you say you talk about family life I feel as if I feel as if kids are never there's never a right moment to have a family or kids but when they do it it's a blessing from God to say okay this is your time this is your time because I feel as if we're all selfish I feel as if we're all confused and lost and it's the only time when you have a family and you realise there's things outside of you that are greater and more important because people who don't have a family no matter what they say it's all they ever want to feel loved in my opinion with the people I interview understand where's the loss of connection and pretending because if you're loved there's no better feeling in the world that's why we don't get into so many relationships men because the fucking loss of a relationship it's the most painful thing in the world I've lost countless family members and friends to murder and suicide and losing a relationship from someone that you love that's a hundred times more painful because as men we are great pretenders we pretend we're okay we pretend it doesn't hurt but fuck me I would never get into another relationship and then you tend to see just sleeping around or partying pretending you're okay but you're just wishing you were with them again I haven't lost I haven't lost anybody really close to me I haven't lost a sibling I haven't lost a parent I haven't lost a girlfriend to death so I haven't experienced that type of loss yet do you think that's because you don't let them in though no I'm just young I'm only 44 I mean the people that are my immediate family I'm talking about relationships are you always guarded with them are you vulnerable I'm not vulnerable I'm guarded man I've been burned I'm a survival I'm on earth to survive really it is it's sad to say it's the one embarrassing it's my life's about survival wake up make sure there's enough food on the table that's it and if you can have some fun that's a bonus what's your daily routine like now wake up check email look at the sun first to reset my circadian rhythm couple full glasses of room temperature water check emails do all my alone and creative work the first two hours of the day that's where my brain is calm and quiet afternoon is when I take the meetings the calls make shit happen implement stuff evening work out farm to table foods and then relax relax whether it's scroll on my phone read news articles flip on a TV show which I never watched to you maybe a couple times a year um talk to a girlfriend um and then plan my next day and then I take my mouth shut when I go to bed it's helped yo you ever done that no but I'm looking at things where you go blindfolded as well and don't see for three days five days a lens of everything back in your body and it heightens all your senses when you it's like I'm blindfolded for five days so yeah but apparently take your mouth makes you sleep better as well yeah it just forces you to breathe through your nose it's helped I sleep deep if I have good cardio exercise and I take my mouth good meal I'll sleep straight without turning too much and that's really helps because you can have the the healthiest diet and do all the new trends and fads but if you're not locking in top shelf sleep to really reset your body at the cellular level you're never going to completely heal so you can thrive and get to the next level you seem to have been down the spiritual route is that always something you've been involved in or is it more because you're getting older you're starting to look into life a bit more I grew up in your nature so I ate mushrooms at a very young age I've eaten mushrooms a few hundred times and it's every time I eat them I usually do it in nature and they help connect me to source, reset, barefoot grounding, swimming like all these things and being thankful mushrooms are a miracle they really could heal the world if taken properly you don't want to abuse them like I don't micro dose a lot of people are eating these things every day I'm like how do you do that what's your serotonin levels how do you come back to ground zero you know so I don't take them off and it's been months for me but I would there's been times where I've taken them three, four, five days straight and that's always been a party get to a point where you're like what day is it, you know what I'm saying it's fun, I just don't do that anymore but mushrooms in nature have really taught me what's important touching the tree and feeling it how alive it is and how it's real and feeling the wind on my face like those types of things I've mushrooms has helped me be more sensitive to my environment and really helped me understand what truth is you know we're taught so much shit man but it's like there's one thing in life that never goes out of style and remember this and that's nature it's never going to go out of style but all the other shit you build the house or this new car or this new purse it's all going to go out of style so it's like for me I go into the places nature and that's that trail I walk down and run in yesterday that I ran in yesterday it still looks the same and feels the same as it did 20 years ago when I did it feels the smell from the forest charges me and heals me the wind leaves on my face cleans me like you know you can go get a hot stone massage or a clay scrub and spend 500 bucks and be trapped in a concrete building under LED lights doing your red light therapy and your infrared hanging upside down all that shit but for me personally it still doesn't be being barefoot in a fresh water stream with the sun beating down on you like right there I mean that's that's God's gift I guess whatever God there may be I guess what is there over like 6,000 religions in the world I don't even know 5,000 gods and what do you think Leif has attic that's I don't have the answer to that to me to me life is about really being present today and being thankful for what I have and trying to treat everybody around me the same way I would want to be treated which is hard at times I can't tell you there's some people that I just want to there's some people that have hurt me in the past you know that to just wish them well is a difficult thing I actually don't even think about some of them I don't but you ask the question what is life about life is about for me personally just being present now being able to adapt to my environment life's so short dude that building can fall down right now on top of us I've seen the white light I've been in the helicopter rushed to the hospital twice once I collapsed along broke 11 ribs another time I caught on fire I've laid there on the bed being like oh and it was one of those times where I said alright today's the day this is it I'm all done and I really thought I was like I'm not coming back out of this one I'm going to be paralyzed or something like this is all it's all I had my run what happened I hit a tree skiing I collapsed along broke all my ribs and the left 11 ribs and I just couldn't move man I was deflated I was just looking up at the sky down in a ditch hoping somebody would hear me yell and it was just like fuck it it's over game over you did it you had a good run life goes quick you know and then eventually I kind of eventually was like okay I'm a guy it was just like it was painful I couldn't yell I didn't have the breath to do it I was just fucked and the other time I caught on fire I poured 5 gallons of gasoline in the woods on a brush pile of my property and nobody was around I have 40 acres and I ran a long trail of gas the main pile but it blew up so big and it blew back probably 60 feet and I caught on fire and my whole left side I have pictures I'll show you I was all burned up and I jumped in the pond I got my phone called my step file you said call line 11 the ambulance came but then they sent a helicopter flew me somewhere and it was just you know you just sit there in those hospitals and you're just like I don't do crazy shit anymore I live a very healthy simple life low impact I don't do anything crazy I'm not doing high speed shit like I'm just trying to do the basics now how to walk properly like when I run I run for 20 minutes and then I'll run backwards for 5 minutes trying to get to activate all my muscles just so I'm agile and stay young very simple life very simple life and I want to help the younger kids I have kids that read my book now they call me or email me or DM me like hey I really read your book it changed my life can you help me that feels good to have a 21 year old kid reach out to me and be like yo your books changed my life I need some help like that feels good I'm like fuck yeah you know that's a that's a great feeling that I never knew existed does it make you more scared of life having near death experiences where you're more aware of the choices that you make now oh yeah yeah I don't do people I always think twice before I say yes to anything so no skydiving nah I don't like skydiving I get bored I just I like to stand the ground I like to stand the ground be agile on my feet like I want to take a I want to learn a few things I want a few little maybe a little martial arts maybe I don't know just some basic things protect myself somebody says give me all your money what the fuck you thinking when you're on fire yeah yo it was fucking painful dude dude that is being on fire is the most painful thing oh I smelled my all my hair all the body of my all the hair in my body that's the first thing that went you smell it go that sound yes fucking it's just I was fighting with my girlfriend at the time I didn't sleep three days I was making poor choices I was fucking both times I was in the hospitals because I didn't sleep the days before and when you don't sleep I don't care how fucking powerful you are you're not going to make clear choices clear decisions it's like proper sleep is essentially you know you can run around drinking red bowls banging lines of coke and all that shit but it's going to catch up with you yeah million percent man it's not the shit they put in cocaine now anyway with petrol fucking rat poison cement it's just oil it's just mixed with absolute shit I had a drug lord on he was saying they put tires on it tires for cars and what happens is that causes cancer in the brain people snorkeling fucking cancer basically crazy crazy just for the weight they put it in but it causes cancer I'm glad I don't have drugs in me I'll be scared of all the shit that's out there yeah so where do you go forward for the future Eric what's your plans I know you want to do the outdoor stuff but where's your visions tell me that's it my vision is I'm going to create a new way of living for people I'm going to create a new way of living you know and I'm going to create an ecosystem that works think like Tesla has a whole ecosystems with charging all over the country or Apple has an ecosystem the iCloud where it all works I'm going to create an ecosystem for living where you sleep and I'm really going to map it out and the only way I map it out is I have to clear my plate of everything that means even these interviews like I need to like totally get down to basics like just working out eating right and not taking phone calls of bullshit and just like really I'm going to map out the plan and then once it's mapped out A to Z and all the dots connect and make sense then I'm going to put my team together to execute it yeah that the plan then hopefully that's getting people disconnected to connect again to their true presence their true powers their true source yeah yeah I mean I want to help people because the fuck we're going to run through life like a bunch of slaves buying shit to keep up with the masses look at all this club marketing all these billboards out here telling us to buy all this shit we don't need all this shit it makes me tired I had it all I had all those shoes belts I didn't have time to wear them I didn't even know the names of them they had tags on them I didn't even use it I don't fucking time for that shit I want to enjoy life right you want to eat good sleep good and you want love you want love you want to be loved why do you have 500 pairs of shoes you have 500 pairs of shoes because you want people to say you're cool you don't need 500 pairs of shoes you don't have the fuck you have to put those on you how much work that is put on 500 pairs of shoes fuck that with the with the change anything from your past oh change anything from my past I'd probably be more compassionate for people around me there were times when I was younger when I thought I was maybe I didn't say it I might have subconsciously thought I was the only one that had hard times everybody that you look at right now is fighting a battle that you may know nothing about yeah okay everybody I always say that's man but everybody does struggle no matter if you're the truck driver the train driver the millionaire the millionaire the homeless man I have another homeless man and some of them are happier than the people who's got millions it's fucking crazy it's just the way you see the world everybody's controls how they think and feel but it's hard if you've been wired up wrong for so many years in that abusive relationship in that job you hate never feeling good enough battling with weight battling with addiction battling with suicidal thoughts it's crazy and one thing because this is men's mental health month and it's mad because all the men on this planet have all got special superpower I believe and that special superpower is no matter if they're going through a relationship breaker or they're battling with addiction or battling with their weight or battling with money every man on this planet has a power and that power is to have a smile on their face when their whole world is shattering within every single man that's what we're amazing that special superpower I don't even know if it's a positive though because it's sad to think that we all pretend we were happy we've got it figured out but we're all fucking scared and vulnerable and trying to do the right things and constantly competing and constantly thinking am I good enough do we like made it fit in they're stripping all that back and trying to figure out that you're fucking nobody's got it figured out basically we just don't always say this as well but everybody on this planet everybody I've interviewed no matter who it is everybody's got one thing in common as well and female nobody has it figured out we just want to go through life content that piece happy but it's not natural as well because bad shit always happens yeah yeah you gotta bad shit does happen a lot but good stuff happens also yeah the ebbs and flows of life you know I'm on an upswing I feel it I know I'm not coming oh yeah it's coming it's coming I'm going on an upswing here for the next I have a good stretch some years ahead of me it's gonna be a nice upswing I've been laying low the last 10 years I've been very reflective, steady, plateaued some downhills yeah I'm all I'm going for the upswing and just gonna have a good time doing it hopefully stay healthy centered help some people along the way and you know there's a lot of pressure out there though right you know what's pressure I feel bad for these kids social media platforms I don't like how they put you have to understand I don't like and I've said this before I don't like that a lot of our social media platforms were created by anti-social people think about what that's doing to the kids you gotta post a picture and then you gotta wait there to see how many likes you get and if you don't get a certain amount of likes you might not feel special you might not feel validated my opinion if you get one like you're fucking winning right you don't need everybody to like you if you have everybody liking you you're doing something wrong you're not pushing hard enough you're being a snow you're being a chameleon it's important that these young kids know that not everybody needs to like you it's very important they know that stay true to who you are if you have one good friend hold on to them dearly what's the biggest life lesson you have learned being on this planet ah very simple you're a product of your environment so choose everything around you wisely whether it's the bed you sleep on the water you drink the people you go to dinner with be very careful for anybody that's watching that's what I get involved in what advice would you have for them if you want to get involved in a life of crime ah make sure it's your last resort I got involved literally and you'll see this in the book because I was ready to jump at age 16 I really was out of options I didn't know where to go sleep that was safe where I wouldn't be abused and I didn't know where to get food because I had to go home and face the abuse I was scared to me my option was like sell weed to make enough money and do it quietly so I don't get caught I didn't want to sell weed are you kidding me I wanted to be an architect like that was my dream but if you wanted to be in a life of crime don't do it and number 2 if you're going to do it you better have an exit plan you better not even tell your best friends what you're doing you better be on a need to know basis but it's promise most people get caught the people I know that haven't get caught they're very slow and steady quietly they have legal businesses they're not greedy they do little things here and there but they're still not even living they're 100% passion or purpose I don't think people should be getting to the life of crime if you're going to do it if you're going to get in the life of crime don't call me and don't come around me I don't want any of your heat coming on me do you think that's why you struggled through the years as well because you went through as a kid ah oh yeah man my childhood was my childhood was scary and painful my childhood was way harder than prison for me yeah my childhood was I don't even want to talk about it there's nothing to talk about it, it's over with it's the past, it made me who I am it made me strong enough to be able to handle the real world there's not much that can break me in the real world I'm ready for pain and problems every day and I'm a very good problem solver because of all the stuff I had to overcome as a young kid so I'm the type of guy that you call if you have a problem I can probably help you solve it pretty quickly for anybody that's watching it's maybe been in that life of abuse as a young age and don't know how it got over at what advice would you have for them oh my god that's a hard one man advice to get over abuse it's really tough I mean because where do you go what do you do I had a man on yesterday who was a producer of Sound of Freedom he says one in four people through abuse in their life one in four people on this planet that's two Balian people you have to sit down quietly with a pen and paper and write a plan, use blue ink and write white paper without lines and write bullet points every single day of steps on how to overcome your problem every day write it down and just make sure you focus on the most important make sure you have good healthy food a warm place to sleep everything else don't spend money on anything not on video games, not on cheez-its, popcorn nothing that does not fuel you to get out of your shitty situation Eric would you like to finish up on anything else yeah I really hope I really hope some younger kids will read my book and if you read it and you like it you send me a DM on Instagram welcome people to get your book on Amazon the Amazon UK they should have it too yeah, yeah, yeah, Amazon is probably the best place to get its pressure memoir by Eric Canorey if you like it DM me and let's have some fun how can people contact you with the Watch Us podcast wanting to reach out to me just your name is real Eric Canorey C-A-N-O-R-I what about Twitter they kind of I don't check all that stuff I'm pretty good at checking I have an account on Twitter Facebook, LinkedIn and I'm not going to be posting much right now this year I won't be posting much because I need to go into the space and really create not detox, I'm going into a place of creativity and I need to like I can't be worried about interacting on social media but I will respond to DMs all the time again brother would you like to finish up on anything I'm done man bro let's get it this is my last words period of all this past in my life you are witnessing right now me leaving the old life we can do another podcast in 5 you're talking about the new life then yeah, brother listen I wish you all the best for the future thoroughly enjoyed your conversation all the best, you've got a friend and me anytime you ever need me mate I'm always be there so I thank God bless you brothers cheers