 Let's talk about DeSantis, you know You you have come out in favor of DeSantis. You had a Video op-ed or you know on your YouTube channel. Let's add something like, you know three reasons I'm in favor of Ron DeSantis things like that. What is the case? You know succinctly because we're gonna talk about this for an hour, but let's lay out the thesis statement Ron DeSantis for libertarians like why should libertarians who are gonna have some, you know Kind of reservations about some of the stuff he does You know and not simply eating pudding with his fingers What's the case for Ron DeSantis to libertarians? Well first off I mean the guy was part of the freedom caucus when he was in congress with a bunch of other guys that libertarians Seemed to like he is the most I would say limited government but uses government when it should be used Politician that we have probably in america certainly now at a national level You know florida. I mean we can do a couple like just basic libertarian things here florida is a no-income tax state That is great for libertarians Florida we have we have the rule of law now I think we probably have some little disagreements maybe on levels of policing or that sort of thing But libertarians want to protect life and want to protect property. That's being done incredibly well Here in florida actually zack you you mentioned right before we started you live in one of the few places That's democrat run now in florida florida, which is almost all red now Don't forget DeSantis won his first election in 2018 by 30,000 votes to a guy who turned out to be a He won his reelection by 1.6 million votes. It's basically the biggest landslide in florida history He turned what was at one time a blue state then a purple state into Basically the most red state in the country and from what i've seen He's really only using government when it's effective and Because I know libertarians don't like red tape and don't like regulation. We had that unbelievably horrific It's less than a year ago basically category five hurricane ian hit southwest florida The rebuild there has been so unbelievably fast because he went in cut all the red tape and they have rebuilt I mean i've been there. It's on the other coast. I'm here in miami, but that sanibel bridge It's a three mile bridge. It would have taken any other state two years to rebuild that thing They've had it functional in about three weeks. That's just one little example of the type of things that he's done He doesn't believe in government and then we could do all the covet stuff I mean he opened up the state. He made sure the kids were going back to schools He was fighting against masks. He you know, he's also trying to get esg out of all of our government institutions I mean we could we could go on and on the uh, don't say gay law or the parental rights And you know, I think it's this is something that I think libertarians need to kind of grapple with more fully Which is that ronda santas signed what is you know, either the leading or certainly one of the best school choice bills In the state in the country But then he does this and he did this with mask He did this with other things where he's saying in order to preclude certain choices I'm going to say at the state level local school districts local businesses can't make certain types of choices And for me that's worrying because what I see as somebody as he gains more power Is going to start uh to exert his personal choices or a conservative ideological agenda On more and more aspects of everyday life, right? He just said you just give me an example of what you're talking about because I don't Yeah, so what i'm saying is is that if you want school choice And if you believe in parental rights, you should give money to parents and they can send their school Their kids to whatever whatever schools they want public or private But then if you start to say okay, and also by the way schools cannot teach this schools cannot do this schools cannot xyz That's confusing to me. Um, and it strikes me as Maybe that's the difference between being conservative and being libertarian, but I find it worrying Well, well first off as long as the government has anything to do with education Then somebody has no they're gonna fund it. No, actually they don't really but no no no I get the libertarian position on this. I I could get there I'm all for school choice and if you want to do, you know, what's happening right now And it's largely in part because of florida's blueprint, but it's happening in iowa and arkansas Montana and several other states is funding of students as opposed to systems I think we're probably in agreement that that's the best way to do it If you think that there should be any funding Tax-related whatsoever. I I don't have a problem. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I I am a uh, uh, A squishy libertarian, but okay, so so so in that regard is so if we're roughly agreed on that Well, then the question is okay So if you're saying you're going to have some level of public education Somebody has to decide what's in that curriculum Now the fact is and I would think that local schools Would do that local school districts local schools Sure parents and I mean why why is the state getting involved in saying you can't have this kind of curriculum You can't have that kind of curriculum. Well, first off that's not that's actually not what's happening I mean when people talk about these book bandings all they've done is kicked it back to the districts To say are you okay with certain books in your school? I think if you actually give parents the right uh and the ability to choose their schools You know this stuff takes care of itself but then to say okay any uh any discussion of sexual orientation Or of gender identity in grades k through 12 or k through a or at higher ed To try and squeeze out whatever it passes for critical race theory. These are troubling to me That's and I'm saying this from a libertarian perspective I don't expect conservatives to agree and I don't necessarily expect Liberals or progressives to agree but this is what is I think this is the nut that if disantis wants The libertarian vote. This is what he has to figure out. Yeah, and it's also just to return to the disney example for a second because you know what what happened there is that disney had there's a basically privatized version of government running this area around disney and then disney came the disney ceo came out against this Education law you can agree or disagree But that's his right as a private citizen And then they decided to take a special look at this and I interviewed the lawmaker behind this and he told me that you know There's all this pressure For companies to go woke so they're going to learn that in florida There's consequences for that so they're out there making statements like this disantis every day has been Making statements that disney is just jotting down for their court case to show that it's retribution Like anyone who's looking at the situation can see it's retribution and it's not just for disney There's other companies. There's uh air b&b He went after them because he didn't like that they pulled out of operation their operations out of the west bank in isreal there's the stop woke act where they um prescribed they said that companies could not engage in certain types of diversity trainings and You know, we can have that debate about the public sphere and what's appropriate in public schools but my problem is that Desantis often just erases that Or just glosses over that public private distinction and I find it's Disturbing for somebody who's being considered uh to move up to the presidential level. Yeah, I truly mean this respectfully you guys I hope it will come across that way But this is why libertarians don't make inroads politically Because I'm not saying that you're completely wrong on the at the idea level philosophically what you're saying Desantis fighting against diversity in our schools. You know, di diversity equity and inclusion It's the most anti-american actually anti constitutional idea that you would be hiring Certainly that the government would be doing it hiring based on sexuality and skin color and everything else So if because then otherwise it sends it seems to me that maybe and maybe this is true Zach, perhaps you're more of an anarchist that they're real that the government should sort of never do anything You know, because because otherwise if the government never does anything Look again, I said this earlier, but look again what woke has accomplished just in the last five years It has demolished basically everything we have the democrat party is basically run By racists at this point and people who want reparations and all of this craziness Finally someone has come in and said i'm going to do my best to clean this stuff up