 It's Jenny's fault. Jenny was here and made us want to tell stories anyway instead of doing the show It's the effect she has a superpower that makes you tell stories. Mm-hmm. All right. Here we go Wait, are we doing a show? Yeah, I was about to yep. Oh, I should I should depart Thought you were just gonna here we go Or I could do it this way where I actually turn up the right volume Oh, it's even better when you record the podcast Everyone Daily tech news show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by loyal patrons like you if that's not you Hit on over to bit.ly slash help DTNS because giving a little always helps a lot. That's bit.ly slash help DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday October 6 2015 on Tom Merritt joining me on a Tuesday Mr. Darren kitchen founder of hack 5 h a k 5 dot o rg DTNS contributor and more How are you doing Darren? I am awesome. It's so good to be here on a liquid Tuesday. Where's Len? Len's on Friday. We don't get one on Tuesdays. Not there You're kind of spoiled with the Tuesdays because you get Len I really I'm actually really excited to be here on a Tuesday I feel like you know bright I am bushy tail and we've got man What a head what a lineup this we've got early week Darren energy Which is awesome and the reason we're switching is Patrick Beja wanted to do an episode about tech in Africa and bring on Eric Olander who is in Vietnam but covers Africa and actually has an entire news organization for for African tech news So Eric because of time differences and stuff could really only do Friday So we're gonna have Patrick Beja on Friday with Eric Olander and we're having Darren kitchen on Tuesday And we got drones. We got data transfers. We got hacks We got all kinds of things to talk about little snarkiness. Let's let's jump in to the headlines Microsoft continued the recent trend of tech companies announcing lots of stuff in long press conferences Really hope they get over this soon. The big surprise was pretty cool the surface book It's a laptop Microsoft finally making a laptop 13.5 inch laptop with a 3000 by 2000 touchscreen running a Skylake processor dedicated g-force GPU with GDDR 5 memory That's in the keyboard all the rest of the processors and everything else are in the tablet so that the screen can detach from the base Switching to Skylake's integrated graphics processor when it does and turning it into a convertible In the US the prices start at a thousand four hundred ninety nine dollars for a hundred twenty eight gigs and eight gigs of RAM All the way up to three thousand dollars for the top-end model pre-order start today for shipping October 26 No word on pricing for the EU or the UK yet. It's also got this weird little snake like hinge Darren I don't know if you saw that yeah I saw the snake hinge and that bugs me because it means it doesn't close fully So that's the only major annoyance, but also I'm just I'm just excited that Microsoft finally after what? 15 years has achieved the one of the goals that it set out to do with Windows XP Which I think at the time was codenamed mono not to be confused with net But that was the whole concept that you'd be able to take the screen away and still be logged in and have a lower-power machine So finally came to fruition, you know some things take a while good things come to those who wait or something Of course there was also a new surface pro the surface pro for it has a 12.3 inch screen a little bigger than the pro 3 But in the same Dimensions of the case as the surface pro 3 that means it'll fit in your old dock Fits with the old keyboard has a skylake processor as well new surface pen is included has a tail-end eraser and alleged all-year Battery life in your pen a new type cover is out as well. It's a little slimmer and offers a fingerprint sensor There's also one without the fingerprint sensor It's about a hundred fifty dollars with the fingerprint seller sensor same hundred thirty dollars without it and a new dock are Compatible with the surface pro 3 as well the tablet can have up to a terabyte of storage and 16 gigabytes of RAM But that's not what you get if you only pay the starting price the starting price is 899 dollars in the US available October 26 then again EU and UK pricing to be announced Yeah, and it's a good thing that is compatible with that surface pro Three dock if you happen have one of those and save yourself a little bit money because the beastly version the one that you Would actually want the one that I know Sebastian is crazy about once actually compile code for the pineapple on can't believe it It would probably be running arch anyway, but twenty seven hundred dollars for the i7 and the 16 gig in the terabyte Yeah, so keep you a lot better for a workstation class, and I wouldn't even call that a workstation class Well, and I'm already starting to wonder do would I want a surface pro 4 or would I want just want a surface book? So I have an actual laptop although the specs are a little better I mean the specs that you can get if you want to pay are a little better on the pro 4 so Hmm Hey, and if you have three thousand dollars lying around which you must if you're gonna pay these prices for all these high specs Right up a convincing application, and you might end up with a hollow lens development addition in Q1 2016 The augmented reality virtual reality headset from Microsoft has not had any spec updates Although earlier this year Microsoft said the hollow lens would have an x86 processor 2 gigs of RAM 802.11 ac and 60 Hertz refresh rate Interested developers in the US and Canada can apply at holo tech info.com Gonna apply this this is epic for any hacker space out there with like 300 members they could just write in and say yo, we're a hacker space. We have 300 people We all pitched in 10 bucks. Send us one. Yeah, and Microsoft should absolutely say yes to that That's when you get the coolest ideas. Yeah, yeah, although it's x86. I'm more interested in the GPU I'm I don't know why that what what's going on there Microsoft, but anyway, whatever The new Microsoft band has a curved screen and curved edges So you don't have any actual edges that that dig into your wrist anymore Added gorilla glass so it's a more durable screen in addition to the previously existing GPS optical heart rate monitor UV monitor and Cortana integration Microsoft is adding a barometer not to predict the weather but to measure altitude and Vo2 max which attempts to measure your body's capacity for taking in oxygen although there's some debate about how accurate they could be It also claims two days of battery life Cost you $249 to pre-order today for sale on October 30th. I like the band I really liked the band at $199. I like it because it's cross-platform. You can use it with Windows Android or iOS $249 I had no idea Really made me stop made me hesitate I was expecting that I might order one of these today and as soon as I saw it was not $199, but $249 I Paused I hesitated. Yeah, the other 50 bucks. I mean you could get like how many Star Trek movies for that or I could get all 10 Star Trek Original series and next generation movies. So what you're saying is if they made a Star Trek version of the band I came with all the movies free Mm-hmm, but the screen isn't the screen isn't really capable of playing them But you know if they're ultraviolet I could just watch a minute. Where else well, there you go see Microsoft we helped Oh, right There were also phones if you really care about the new Lumia phones You probably read all the leaks before they announced them today, but here's the official line Lumia 950 is a 5.2 inch phone Coming in November for $549 the Lumia 950 XL is a 5.7 inch phone coming in November for $649 both phones have 2560 by 1440 AMOLED screens 3 gigabytes of RAM 32 gigs of storage USB type-c Qi wireless charging and 20 megapixel rear cameras. You can log into both with your face and the Lumia 550 is a affordable phone 4.7 inch 8 gigs of storage coming in December for $139 and say it with me. No UK or EU pricing was announced I love that it's in your face though The infrared iris scanning stuff is actually the most interesting part to me at least because I find that the biometrics make like a Really convenient user name. Did you hear that user name not password? Come on people like yeah, the fact that we're logging in with just that it bugs But when you yeah, because you know what you can't do change your face yet Well, that's true you can't you really can there's a place now that I think about it There's a place right down on the corner here that can do a lot towards changing your face Yeah, according to the ads outside Wired reports that reddit has launched a new site called upvoted that makes original content out of surfaced reddit posts Published in a web magazine style They've got an editorial team that verifies the accuracy of the story interviews the original poster and turns all of that into an article posted on upvoted.com there are however, no comments or up voting on upvoted.com But you can vote and comment on the stories in the upvoted sub reddit at Slashup voted the site will also sell sponsored content written by the same editorial team. That's doing the other rewrites Right so going back to the whole buzzfeed thing and changing your face We were talking about it sounds like it's reddit But for people who fear the community interaction and maybe the culture that goes along with reddit I mean don't get me wrong. It sounds cool. It might actually bring new folks into the fold It sounds like it's pretty much like flip or whatever that thing is However, it makes me wonder like well What will this potentially mean in the long term for other meta reddit sites that kind of gather the same sort of stuff? Yeah, I mean let's set aside the controversies that reddit has brought upon itself in the past One of the things that reddit has wanted to do is figure out how to monetize without Changing the nature of its community Now I'm setting aside the controversies because a lot of those controversies have to do with moderating the community and some of those may be Tied into monetization as well, but this is an elegant response which says you guys create a lot of great content on reddit Let's surface that content. Let's highlight the posters. Let's give them credit talk to them Give them a little additional voice and publish it over here So that advertisers who are queasy about being next to controversial subreddits won't have to be so that Advertising isn't getting in the way of the experience on reddit. It's a nice clean way of doing it I'm a little put off by the idea that you've got one editorial team for sponsored and unsponsored content That that can often lead to issues and trouble which then could blow back into the community And I like the fact that they're like, yeah, no voting or comments over there. That's kind of you know That's kind of the front face But back to the house. We've got a subreddit where you can comment all day long. I think that's fair. No Yeah, yeah, I know I mean it sounds good, but I wonder like with all of that You know with the monetization scheme, but what there's been no word like oh And then we'll share it with cool guy 83 that you know published all the cool stuff that we're now Monetizing right that would be cool if they did if they cut in the poster as well That'd be awesome. Yeah cutting in the poster would although would cutting in the poster be awesome because then would it not just incentivize Even more crappy crap on reddit. Well, it depends right if they're doing it right It should incentivize really good stuff that upvoted covers, but it depends on what upvoted covers Yes, but we know what gets clicks and it's not necessarily what some would consider the good stuff But that's gonna all depend on the editorial team and that's all and they're not after clicks They're after sponsored content. So they really need like engaged users not not bulk clicks. That's a good sign I just don't know if anybody's gonna read it. I read that's what it really comes out to. Yeah, Tom I was I was totally listening to everything you were saying is I enjoy my venti latte here is pretty amazing You know for the price of a venti latte. Yes, you could actually support this show Ars Technica reports the Roku 4 was announced the $129 device supports 802 11 ac Wi-Fi HTC P 2.2 That HTC P means you can get 4k video at 60 frames per second But it also cracks down on unauthorized recording the box itself is wider and flatter than previous Roku's so that can fit in a quad core Processor it has a button you can press that will make the remote ring so you can find the remote new Roku 7.0 software lets universal search display results in order by price You can also search by actor and director now and track shows and movies in an improved feed That software will also come to the Roku 3 and the streaming stick the Roku 4 is available later this month for 129 bucks as I said And do you think the Roku 4 can do four times what a Chromecast can do at a quarter of the price not to get all math Well, it's got different apps. I have to say I prefer the Roku over the Chromecast I don't it's a psychological thing where it's like. Oh, I have to pick up my phone Like your phone is the best remote. It's already in your pocket Yeah, but it's not because it screws up my universal remote because it switches the channel to Chromecast But my universal remote doesn't know that no no no that's the whole thing you make it the universal remote But it doesn't control the other things on my TV like my Apple TV or my Tivo or my Xbox not universal Anyway, yes. No, I feel you. Yeah, it's a situational thing though I mean, I I think you're right though brand new Chromecast for 35 bucks. That's a compelling buy Yeah, and more choice very good. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And the universal search Catching up on Roku. You can do that on the box. You can also do it in the app and they're upgrading the app as well So yeah worth worth a look anyway Yeah, I should be more excited about this considering the fact that like the set-top box Wars quote-unquote is is you know Nostalgic to the whole like Packard Bell and compact and HP and IBM and all of that of the heyday So, you know, this is where that innovation is happening. So be it even though we were talking we were talking on cord killers yesterday The fact that Amazon is kicking the Chromecast and Apple TV out of its store is a sign that set-top boxes are Have made it if baby like they're worth fighting over now Motang suggested we mentioned that Sony says it will split off its semiconductor operations to encourage growth in its devices When I say split off that means that will become an independent business under Sony kind of what up like what alphabet is doing with Google This is the section of Sony that makes the highly successful image sensor The company makes sensors for phones like the iPhone and it hopes to expand it on the automotive market as well as more sensors are needed for assisted driving and self-driving cars Sony has been splitting underperforming business units into separate companies under itself up until now This is the first time it's taken a successful unit and on it Yeah, I heard that Sony was actually going to take its new Sony semiconductor company and it was actually going to split off all of its departments including R&D and fabrication and human resources So that that it can just dump those in fact I believe that every new employee at this company is in fact its own company within Do you think they'll do that like eventually alphabet and Sony or just like we'd like to hire you can you form an LLC? So we can acquire it. I mean if we can do it, you know, yeah, sure just assign everyone a MAC address Sounds like a Neil Stevenson novel That's just me a little jaded TechCrunch reports Atlassian is breaking its JIRA issue tracking service into three separate products JIRA software for software teams JIRA core for business teams and JIRA service desk RIT teams and other service teams all three will come and host it and self-hosted versions with prices starting at 10 bucks a month For up to 10 users JIRA software is Essentially the same as the current version Service desk is a standalone version of the add-on if you've ever used the service add-on on JIRA Now you'll have be able to just use that as its own program and core is basically a new version where they took JIRA software and Took out all the technical stuff and made it for non-technical teams. So it's not so much about bug tracking. It's more about project management See, you know fragmentation. It's it's a good thing. I everybody's doing it I don't know why you're so upset about it, Darren Small pieces. I'm excited about the the you know rumors I heard that JIRA is actually looking at breaking all of its new products into Individual add-ons so you can have it all a cart some of the add-ons even include save button and text field to enter data Oh, it's really bugging you isn't it for 12 cents each. It's fantastic You're just long for the days of the Soviet Union. Don't you? I long for the days where our packets have passports JK lol The Associated Press reports the customer credit and debit card numbers may have been stolen from seven Trump hotels After its payment systems were accessed by attackers between May 2014 and June 2015 Also, the hotel gift shop and restaurants systems were attacked The company is offering affected customers a year of free identity theft protection and is working with the FBI and Secret Service to catch the perps Yay, I don't know about you Tom, but I'm kind of having breach fatigue at this point I mean may have been stolen at this point I kind of feel like the credit card companies themselves the visas and the master cards should issue a statement that they May have developed an inherently insecure payment system by which a symmetric key can compromise Basically, everyone on the planet everywhere. I think maybe they should break up their credit cards and individual numbers You could have 15 different numbers that you would put together No, I'm just kidding. Obviously. Yeah, I mean breach fatigue is totally right in fact the only reason That I decided to even put this in the headlines is that they actually access credit card numbers if I know it's a maybe but They're actually saying credit card numbers usually the breaches are like No, they got email addresses and encrypted passwords and we all focus on how good the encryption was on the passwords But credit card numbers normally are stored on a separate database that is usually more well-protected Trump hotels behind the times in that case. No, that's that's the whole thing is if it's done, right? It's all given the same kind of security and privacy that your password and credit card are given But I don't want to get off on a crypto tangent. Yeah saying And crypt all the things I mean that pretty much sums it up. Yeah, ours technical reports the US federal aviation administration has proposed a fine of $1.9 million against Skypan international for flying 65 unauthorized operations involving a drone between March 2012 and December 2014 in Chicago and New York Two-thirds of the operations were in New York in the class B airspace there Our skypan has 30 days to appeal the fine one of their appeal options is to say we won't pay it And then it goes to an adjudicator and all that But what so class B airspace that just that means like the really congested part that means Manhattan, right? Yeah Yeah, basically and then not just Manhattan. It gets kind of complicated This whole thing to me seems like the FA is actually going after some low-hanging fruit in that skypan is just consists of one guy And if he doesn't settle with them then it could go to court and then they could actually set a precedence and I mean I don't know the exact details of his particular flights But I'd say that you know class air Class B airspace can be some of the trickiest to navigate You know drones notwithstanding not all airports are class B Most of them in fact are actually class C, which is basically imagine a cone. That's five miles like a cylinder a five mile In diameter or in radius cylinder around an airport But class B, which is what you typically find around the major hubs, you know, your Chicago's in New York's and such They basically look like an upside-down wedding cake consisting of a bunch of different shelves that get wider the higher you go So in some cases they extend out like up to like 15 miles around the airport And this is the exact reason why the AMA Recommends just to stay under 400 feet and five miles away from an airport for your model aircraft my fear here is that the FAA would actually Use this as some sort of way to make a blanket policy statement that could potentially prohibit UAS or drone flights in major Metropolitan areas and it's the sort of thing where I'm really wishing that we had kind of a equivalent of the EFF or ACLU for The model aircraft community just based on recent events. I would not expect the AMA to be that so this could actually have ridiculously far-reaching impacts You know that could even potentially prohibit a five ounce plastic toy from flying around in Central Park or public spaces of the lake I mean the thing is the laws are so ambiguous that even flying like a little toy quadcopter in your New York City apartment Could be considered a violation of the National Airspace. It is just all sorts of tricky. Yeah Yeah, and and the fact that the FAA as we talked about last Friday Hasn't has missed their deadline It could be a good or a bad thing as Darren said, but it means that a lot of this stuff is left up in the air We don't have you know tested regulations to point to and say well This is what the regulation says we don't even have regulations to point to and say this part should be changed So it all pardon the expression is up in the air right now, right? This could be Raphael Parker all over again and it's actually my fear that the FAA is dragging its feet on On these regulations so that they can create enough precedents or case law based on these sorts of events To get like something way overreaching and and that's anyway, that's just my fear Finally the court of justice for the European Union ruled that a safe harbor agreement on data transfer between the US and the U In the EU should not prevent investigation into breaches of privacy protections and further Determined the safe harbor agreement was invalid This means that national data regulators in EU countries are free to determine on a case-by-case basis if tech companies are properly Protecting EU citizens rights when transferring data to the United States Court made its decision to invalidate safe harbor because US legislation permits public authorities to access electronic communications on a general basis and individuals have no opportunity to pursue legal remedies for access rectification or Erasure of any of that personal data and that's going to be our main topic today Thanks to everybody who submits stories including that one right there in the subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com That's a look at the headlines So no this is not going to mean that as of today all US companies have to create data servers in the EU for all EU citizens data It does not mean that yet They declared the safe harbor agreement invalid Because of what I said now what this will do is make data transfers more complicated Since they don't have the blanket protection the reason for safe harbor was so the companies didn't have to think about it There are 4,500 signatories To the agreement and all of those signatories could just be like we can move data back and forth as long as we adhere to the guidelines of the privacy policy and This will encourage companies to siloed customer data within countries, but it doesn't necessarily require them yet it will also complicate the creation of a new Excuse me, US EU data agreement because it expands the stakeholders from the European Commission to all of Europe's national data regulators They're already asking to be included in those talks US Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker is seeking an updated safe harbor agreement But the European Union is not really responding What it will not do is stop any kind of surveillance by the NSA the GCHQ or any other Government agency if you want to do that the EFF says you need to reform section 7-2 of the US FISA amendment Or reformulate US executive order 12333 So Darren This is a tricky one right because a lot of people think they they have eliminated protections on data A lot of people think they found Facebook guilty neither one of those things are true There's not an elimination of any protection on data. In fact, all this says is there's no blanket protection anymore You now have to prove that you honor our privacy regulations and Facebook has said we do that We were already protected. We have our own way of Following EU guidelines So once we go back to court, we believe we will be victorious and in fact the data the advocate For the EU even said we don't think Facebook's guilty of anything This is just setting a guideline and setting a precedent, right? Right they're saying that this doesn't uphold and I love this that this is an EU law quote your fundamental right to respect for private life We should have a version of that good stuff Basically, the judgment makes it clear that now national data protection authorities can review data transfers into the US Individually on a case-by-case basis So what that opens itself up to is that you know more EU citizens like the one that caused this entire Judgment to happen can challenge this on a case-by-case basis when it comes to you know data leaving the EU and into US servers and whatnot and That's where you'll see potential major changes So it just means that you know people fighting the good fight in EU now have actually kind of a leg to stand on on this and It's really just open the floodgates for all sorts of messy stuff. Yeah And it's both good and bad right Austrian Max Schrems brought the case against Facebook He wasn't really arguing anything about Facebook in particular He was arguing that the prism program that Edward Snowden made public Violated the safe harbor agreement face Facebook Tried to defend itself saying no the safe harbor agreement is fine The Irish data protection agency said no safe harbor means that you know, they're fine the Irish court said We're you know, we're not going to investigate this because they're safe harbor and Schrems got them to send it to the European Court of Justice in order to determine if safe harbor was still valid And this is the big decision. No safe harbor isn't valid So now Facebook has to defend itself on its own merits now Facebook feels pretty confident that it can do that But do all 4500 signatories to the safe harbor agreement feel that way and like you say It's now a mess because instead of having blanket protection that became the only thing a court had to look at the court now Has to look at every individual case and say, okay, what are your policies? How do you follow them? What do you do with the data and does it meet our standard? It does there's no longer an agreed Safe harbor Standard that is more limited that they have to show right and so we've only tackled one of those signatories now So the question becomes what is going to happen when the same thing is challenged against Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom I think when you put all five of those together, isn't that what the the five eyes or something like that? I think that's well and the UK is in the EU So that makes that even more complicated because On is the GCH Q actually abiding by the EU's own privacy? Regulations that the GCH Q says it is because it's only going after foreign targets Then to make it even more complicated You have the Department of Justice in the United States Trying to get Microsoft to hand over data about a US citizen that is stored on a server in Ireland and Microsoft is saying no you have to go to Ireland's courts to get that data It's in Ireland and the US is saying no you're a US company you have to give it to us We don't care where it is so This is a mess and it is in fact the distributed nature of the internet which doesn't have borders Trying to deal with borders. This is this is press it This is a precedent setting situation here. All right, and then only three real possibilities have been kind of proposed You know one that Facebook many other, you know, US companies that also operate in the EU We'll need to keep their European data within Europe Which means building out data centers on the like any you which could could be good for the economy there? Or that they would actually need to provide some real protection for the EU data when it flows back to the US Which is an interesting one. I'll come back to that and then The third route is that the EU could actually negotiate another safe harbor agreement with us and that's probably I don't know Maybe more likely, but I love the concept of like okay You know what you you know I've talked about this numerous times how I hate fragmentation This is why I'm joking about Jira and Sony fragmenting because in this case it can actually create so much good Rather than having packets with passports that say I'm an EU packet and things of that nature if you're a company That's doing business on the internet, which is global then why would you potentially have different regulations or different? policies for data handling for a EU bit of data versus a non EU bit of data you'd go okay. Well if in this case I Need to comply with these EU standards why not simply upgrade all of your data to the higher standard in which case It actually makes like and I say you just shot yourself in the foot It could potentially make things so much better for all of us last October Facebook general counsel Colin stretch Was speaking and said the internet is a medium without borders And the notion that you would have to place data and data centers and the data itself in a particular location is Fundamentally at odds with the way the internet is architecture So yeah, the safe bet would be to keep all of the data centers that store Citizens data in the countries where those citizens are but essentially the tech companies are saying that's just not the way it works No, that that is that is not practical It is not the way the internet works in its most efficient manner and it might even not be entirely achievable For various technical reasons So that that leaves a lot of pressure between the tech companies and the governments to say you need to come up with a better Way of managing this and that may be why this is the best thing is that it will force the United States and the European Union to come to a new agreement and The United States is not going to want to give up its surveillance that it has held on to and clutched on to so tightly But that is the crux of the issue between the EU and the US and so the US is going to have to really decide How much it wants to hold those surveillance powers? How much it wants to leave them openly defined because I don't think the EU would mind if the US Really held to what it says and that we only go after data of legitimate suspects That's what the US's defense has always been and what the EU is saying is sure that's fine But that's not the way your law works your law works that you can seize any data And nobody can tell what data you seized and nobody can come to rectify it if they aren't a legitimate suspect Everyone's presumed guilty right and you don't want to like fix this on a technical means and just like not Interoperate because then the whole inter part of the internet breaks I Love these clashes between that the two powerhouses that have their own citizens Some that have citizens across the globe and some that have citizens within their borders where the governments used to operating in a you know old Fashion way of thinking and they're like hey wait a second. You're operating within our borders You have to follow these rules when ultimately these corporations that run on the internet You know honestly that they have their own citizens They might as well have now I'm not saying the corporations But the cloud as it were might as well have its own sovereignty because you look at what it generates It's got a higher GDP than any of the other nations that quote that just have access to that cloud And you're just talking about the tech companies willing to play by the rules, right? There are plenty of organizations out there moving data around all over the place without any kind of accountability to anyone And you don't want to encourage more of that to happen if you're one of these governments You want to make it so that Facebook's and Google's of the world will live in the transparent above net Not the undernet, you know Imagine worst-case scenario governments of the world that you really piss off enough of these Internet companies that they're just like okay fine We're gonna take our ball and play elsewhere And now you've got an uprise of citizens that are like wait. I can't share my baby photos Are you what and then you know uprise? Yeah? All right, let us know what you think folks It's a complex issue And I don't think any of us really know the exact answer to it feedback at daily tech news show calm our pic of The day comes from Jordan. He recommends the my fitness pal I know that seems kind of silly next to like the rights of your data and privacy and surveillance But it integrates amazingly well with various fitness trackers. He says and it goes together with the Microsoft stories today He uses a Microsoft band But Jordan says I know they integrate with a lot of other trackers, too The app helps you determine what your daily caloric goal should be when you add food It subtracts from the total left for the day and then it will add calories based on your exercise He says I know nutrition is often more complex than this But what this helps me with more than anything is awareness It opened my eyes to how a little snacking here and there can add up in massive amounts by the end of the day And by the same token automatic integration with my band and immediately helps me know how effective some exercise was Overall, he finishes up turns out a 45-minute run isn't actually enough to totally negate a burger or fries plus a bunch of junk food So there you go check it out my fitness pal It's an app and you can get it for multiple platforms send your picks to us feed back at daily tech news show calm You can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Use any kind of fitness trackers or do you ever tried any of these calorie counters? Yeah, I've tried some of these and you know I kind of get to the point where I actually don't like the metrics because if for me It's a much more personal thing of like yeah, you know, am I happy with where I am? but I Get the that what happens at least to me when I have that scorecard above me kind of like You know like I'm playing contra and they see how many lives I have left the points or whatever. I've accumulated. I End up like oh, I want to eat that. Oh, no, I can't and then like I don't know I just spin out and suddenly I can't eat anything because it's all terrible you rage quit the game Yes Our message of the day comes from Kevin and wonderful Wichita who says I'm very excited to see what you guys are still doing I was an early adopter of the Amazon Echo. I like it very much Especially the music capabilities with the voice command occasionally with the echo I throw things out there to see if they stick you can tell that the echo is evolving through various new responses, etc And of course you can see it on in the Amazon Echo app online However, something I didn't know about was a great surprise Imagine my elation when I told my roommate Alexa to play DTNS and with no further instruction She did so this adds to the dozen or so other ways I have to listen to DTNS whenever I want throughout the day Yeah, good good good call Kevin. That's actually thanks to alpha geek radio there their integration with the tune-in app Means that you can then say Play DTNS and she'll do it That's pretty cool I wonder how many of those things that you throw at echo that it doesn't actually Understand it just sends back to the mothership and then there's some people Amazon are going through all of these crazy things going can we implement this and Who's George and why do you want to throw all of his clothing in the Anyway, never mind Not highly indexed. Let's move on to another Yeah, I mean, I imagine they do look at the kinds of phrases that might come up frequently I know they don't store Failed responses they say So they wouldn't necessarily be be seeing that a lot, but I bet they have test groups, right? Everybody does I would hope yeah I mean that's always the trickiness between making a product better in privacy and things of that nature So there's you know technological means around it, but you know If you want to get better at the technological means around you You've got to check out hack five twitter.com slash hack five Darren to follow Darren. It's h a k 5 D a r r e n and then go to the website h a k 5 dot o r g Because you guys are always up to something good. That's right. Yeah, we were talking about encrypting all the things You can learn how to do that episode 1904 On the hack five homepage right now talking about easy file encryption with key base. I also talked about GBG and other stuff for Windows for Mac for Linux Social it's on the web. It's easy. 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That was a safe way to yeah Okay, Google donate to DTNS now I just imagined that like when you're not in the house echo and and And Google now in Syria are all just like having conversations with each other Can you believe what he asked me today? No, can you believe me is not recognized please clarify I'm sorry. I didn't understand that Your flight is leaving at 9 30 a.m. You should leave soon I'm sorry. I didn't understand that You say that to everyone We should have a you should oh man that I'm sorry just a podcast should exist that is Siri and Google now like hosting a show Syria Google now. We'd like to welcome our guest Amazon echo I'm sorry. I did not understand that Where is a TCB why I have found five TCB why's that's there that's their banter. Yeah, yeah playing TCB why discography No, no, no I Navigate podcast off the cliff cannot locate podcast off the cliff Yeah, I don't know they're they're still TCB why's I don't know why that popped into my head actually When you first said that I thought it was an acronym for some internet thing that I'm not familiar with Wikipedia had to figure it out and I still think it might be it might actually Unintentionally be true Why is there not a disambiguation article wow that's actually scary is TCB why the only trademark holder for the but no Or TCB why Wikipedia you fail me. I'm gonna cap Fubar says there's a TCB why right down the street Urban dictionary you see be why don't let me down shipping 20 TCB why to your home Would you like to hear some titles? Yes, thank you the country's best yogurt How about reddit for adults? That actually sounds like a yeah, I think that gives the wrong impression That's clever heart they date them That's pretty good Packets without borders Yeah, it's common if I'm on data without borders Trump needs to build a firewall Way to go I see you Probably not our ultimate title that is clever not so safe harbor I like that one Yeah Tubes without borders cat video uprising All right. Tell me what you want. I'll tell you what I want what I really really want. I'm sorry you did it It was your fault Searching discography Long found now playing on repeat forever Activated I Have got a put a title in right now right now Carpe datum, what do you think about Darren? Yeah, that's good. I almost asked Roger and he's not here He's so that would have been allowed to take a long time to answer Carpe the datum Why did you name your show about fish That was a fun show that was good. Yeah Sorry to snarky in the news fuse with the breaking up stuff But I felt like kind of set ourselves up for the internet break it did it totally did what if we broke up with the internet? I mean actually what if the internet broke up with the EU and the US and Australia and New Zealand sorry EU It's you not me I'm sorry 193 nations of the United Nations We could maybe be friends you can dial me up at just give me some time to live Wow no one gets me like Tom Why couldn't you be a hot blonde Tom? Ah, well Wait, hey, wait, what I'm joking What are you trying to say I'm blonde I'm just saying Tom gets me It's just you know, we share a love of protocol jokes. What can I say Tom actually W gets me Yeah, they're the post method Or again, I gripped you He grips me I grok it You don't grok the grep Jenny's gonna go back to doing her Siri voice now Sorry, I don't understand. I'm sorry. I'm turning you off There is limited That's what Google now should do when it's then when there's no connectivity, you know how chrome will show the dinosaur Mm-hmm a little pixelated dinosaur right from it's like Google now should just go Just give you the raptor sound. Yeah, do the raptor sound and then have Google now go. I am a dinosaur All right, yes, okay. I should go do the thing. I'm uploading so But yeah, go do the thing tell all the people's there hello All right, we'll do you enjoy your why modem upload. I will I'm gonna send all the packets up Thanks, Darren, and then there were two and then there were two and One of them's looking at houses because she's still mad. I'm still looking at houses What region of the country are you looking at now? No now? I'm looking at Burbank. Oh, okay. You've gone to practical mode now Yeah, I know I just I had to indulge myself with of course But my my main concern is that I'm mad that my car got broken into even though it was a crime of opportunity That sucks though That was what bothered me. I mean Let me re let me rephrase when we lived in the neighborhood. We lived in an Oakland It was a great neighborhood and we loved it But there is sort of like a fatigue you get over time of little things like that Yeah, you know and some people say oh you get used to it, you know, and it's true But it's just wears on you It's like I think what I'm trying to say is I want to be able to make one little mistake Not me but yeah, you don't have to think about things all the time. Yeah. Yeah So there's that Yeah, I remember when we lived in San Rafael One time I came back from twit and you know, that's a 20-minute drive away and The garage door was open had been open all day And it was fine. It was fine do that in a different neighborhood. Not fine. Not okay Although you'd be surprised sometimes you could do something like that, you know in downtown Oakland And it would be fine just on weirdness, but less likely. Yeah Move to a small town. I was born in a small town. I could bring a small town Yeah, I knew you were going there probably not die in a small town unlike John Possible if I die in a small town, I want to die in a small town in Hawaii somewhere. That's true. Oh Let's look at real estate in Hawaii. Oh, yeah, that's not that ain't cheap Cart paid datum. I bet I like I've titled something that before now that I'm looking at it But I still like it. It's okay You could say Carpe datum 2.0 Carpe datum again Yeah, minor minor change for those of you who may have had Issues and you're probably not listening to this if you did But if you had issues with your pod catcher not being able to download the file because it says mp3e Which some podcast apps handle just fine and they say oh, we can tell it's an MP3. We'll play it anyway others crash I have changed my template so that the bit that said place MP3 here Which is what was causing the e to show up is I would paste the link over that text But sometimes not delete the e at the end of here. I've changed So it doesn't say place MP3 here anymore. It just has the quote marks So I won't accidentally leave an e in anymore. Hopefully that will get rid of that problem That's interesting and now I have posted the show Mm-hmm The show is so posted Oh, I have to do the video You do have to do the video today because there is no Roger poor L. O. Roe had her but I'm gonna do it out of the YouTube thing Oh Right. Yeah, that's not out of the other way because the other way makes me upset The only reason we started doing the other ways because the YouTube thing wasn't working, but I think it takes a lot So, you know, oh, thank you, Sony Sony is kindly reminding me that my PlayStation Plus membership is set to renew Very nice. All right. I think I'm done. I think our work here is done Jenny sweet. Thanks everybody for watching