 You're welcome back. We're taking last topic for today and that is the fact that there was a protest yesterday by NLC, TUC and civil societies and we hear that the protesters pulled down the National Assembly gate and took over the premises. Mr. Shagun Shokweton is here with us. He's a principal partner with Regent Scott Consulting. He will be or he has joined us. Good morning and welcome to the program Mr. Shokweton. Okay well they yeah the protest happened. Some people said it was not going to happen but it happened and there was a weird way of occupying the National Assembly yesterday because the gate was pulled down of the National Assembly and the premises was flooded by the protesters and all that. What do you even feel about the protest in its own self and possibly the outcome of it since yesterday? It's an important part of the impact that the Governor has made with his life at any conscious. It's an important impact of the government. It's an important part of the event and it's an impact that will bring people up which is just to get from the country which is about how things are going, how they're feeling about what is happening. This impact makes me feel good. So from that of the good things people come out, we can say about the federal process, the help of Nigerians, and you know that if you went ahead at and at the court hearing of the protest or anything, you knew if these things are happening in a country of integrity and no one will see back. And even the government itself will assess how it's going and how the people are feeling about how the things that they're doing and how they're doing them and how they're doing the things that they're doing. This should be commented. I think also that the process here to do the government should be commented at the very position of the government at least, the people and the people that are left at that time doing nothing, all of that and that's what should go out to the government. Okay, the protest was a huge success if you consider how people felt it may turn out to be. Some people started calling the NLC, Tootless Bulldog and all that and they were able to collaborate with civil society organizations, part of which you are and all that. So I'd like to know, labor demands are glaring, they're asking for 200,000 narrow minimum wage, they're asking for so many other things, but the collaboration between them and the CSOs was really great. Are you also demanding for the same things as labor or your demands are a little bit different? Okay, so it's important to clarify that we think of our view as that I think this is really on the subject, not as being my personal part or as a leader in the civil society and as a chairman of a constitutional branch. And we are a member of an organization known as the Labor People Society Fund and that organization is a coalition of various civil society organizations and labor movement consisting of the labor, major labor concepts that we study now and read and do more about that. So having provided that concept of privacy. Yes, the civil society demands from governments were largely aligned with the demands of labor. I think, you know, slightly different. For example, civil society is the issue of minimum wage and it's not necessarily the scope on our gender, not because we don't think that's important, but because the minimum wage in itself affects only and directly affects only people that work for governments that government workers, civil servants, members of the Union, the Union. People that work in organized projects or people that are in the informal sector who are in fact the dominant number of workers in Nigeria will not be directly affected by any movement minimum wage. So it seems that civil society are looking at would be whiter, you know, than the concept of minimum wage just using that as an example. But that's not to say that we are not in support of the minimum wage legislation because it's all a part of the entire nature, you know, are variable as far as the impact of all of these policies, these different policies both have on the economy. So civil society, we're accepting to hear from governments to get back on how to wage, to negotiate with the negative impact of many of the policies that the government has been rolling out in the last few months on Nigeria citizens. To know, you know, the members of the media, know what has been happening in Nigeria, to get to the top of living, standard of living situation, the foldable income, all of those things being worked in them. And for us, this one is about what is true, what the government can do in the media to ensure that, you know, the impact of all of these things are maximized. Okay, well, what we're really talking about now is the fact that in trying to drive home the demands, the National Assembly gate was crushed as it is. Will that reduce the efficacy of what they did? Will that reduce the genuineness of what they did? Because it was supposed to be a peaceful protest, but now that the gate has been crushed, will that minus anything from what the protest was all about? The gate that was brought down, yes, in Abuja. Will it minus anything from the protest itself? No, no, no, not at all. I think that was for later on, I think it was a minus in the entire process. It remembered itself was that people with the National Assembly to table their droughts, and they were able to get to see that people, to get to see that staff, to see that people who were working there, are valuable, and to see how necessary what happened. And, you know, if you want to also have representation, then you have a life somehow, coming together. And in the new museum, behind one door, it is difficult to focus, and if you are in authority, and you think that by reckoning one small wall, it can prevent them from doing much more work. So, that for me, that was a big already thing. This happened, at first it was good or bad, it happened. I don't think they had any carry on whatsoever on the conversation, the engagement, or the engagement happened because it was not complicated. You know, the number of people who were complicated out in the president, in the president, in the country, and the leader would be able to form that incident, to really be able to affect things in a little bit more, and not cause something that may be giving you too much. Just to wrap up, Lebo and the CSOs, they are all organized groups, but the people of Nigeria, if they also feel this impact, might also have a role to play. What do you think that role should be like, and how do they go about it? Yeah, that is an excellent question. I think that it is important that people do so much that they want movement, that people do so much that they want to be organized. Even when people need to come together and form a more large group, they want to form a group, or at the end of the day, all of these things are about materialism. And in Nigeria, people have a huge role to play in ensuring that these people are able to give them the power for things, you know, in the quest to get the government to act in a way that is the best interest of the story. They have a huge role to play, and what has to go is, for me, one. The first thing that Nigeria needs to understand is we have to need the support. We need to do nothing. Then, you know, the people who come in with these people, they are very willing to do whatever they think is the best. That is what makes it absolutely critical and we must provide it. Now, how? Is there really a purpose for the people to do this? Well, you know, the agenda was not too bad, but it would have been much better if lots of people could do much about their business. And I went about it the very way. And for me, that is what we have to do better than that. What do you want to do? Do you want to do on the campaign or on the court, on the content management, on the court of these thoughts and these thoughts? All of those, most of the parties, you know, the national conversation, you could do. You have to put it behind those times, step forward and talk. So, now, apart from the project, we have social media. And one of the things that has changed with social media in the last five years is that all social media, when Nigerians unite 24 hours a day, always in the same time. Always. And they always move the people together. So, you need to be more vocal, stand up. You need to be united. You need to get what are standing. You know, don't speak. Don't speak to your people. When you speak to your people, speak to your group. It will coalesce. It will become the movement. It will become the movement. And then it will become the trend. And it will become one of the political truth. I think for me, it will be kind of your question. I don't think it will be the deliberate about speaking out openly on all channels that we go to today, about how they feel, and how they do not feel that. Okay. Being deliberate about speaking out and speaking the truth, you know, everybody can speak truth to power using the available means to them. If it is social media, or you have the listening ear of one of the representatives in the state or national assembly or anywhere, you talk to them. And like you said, whenever Nigerians are united in talking about a thing, the government always listens. So, this is the time to unite. As united as we unite to watch the Falcons do what they do, or any of our national teams do what they do, or even watch one of our sons take on another person in the boxing ring and all that. We'd like to thank you, Mr. Shagun Shokwiton, for coming on the program and sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Okay. We've been talking with Mr. Shagun Shokwiton, principal partner Woodridge and Scott Consulting. He was talking to us about what the NLC did yesterday and what the possible outcome might be, and what we need to do as individuals also in this country if we wanted to get to the algorithm we wanted. At this point, our hearts go to the family of Mrs. Elizabeth Naboo, who lost her husband yesterday because of the failure in the health system. No ICU in most of the hospitals, and the one that had, was charging five million Naira just to admit an accident victim. And we condole also the family of Dr. Juarez Diazso, who died needlessly because of neglect, corruption in an elevator that had no business being the way it was in a hospital. Made the souls of these and all the other who died avoidable deaths. Rest in peace. And now we take the quote for the day. Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts. That's according to Winston Church Hill. And that's how we wrap it up on the show today. We do hope that you will have a wonderful Thursday and when tomorrow does come, you can say thank God it's Friday. Let's do it again tomorrow. My name is Nyam Ghul Aggadjou on behalf of the entire team. Thank you for being there.