請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎請到新增院唐鳳證務委員為我們演講掌聲歡迎其實是證明了我們在工作的但是這個概念是證明了證明了宣誓 證明了證明了宣誓 證明了證明了宣誓 證明了這部電影是在判斷的我認為它是英文的主題但還是這樣所以我們來看這部電影這部電影是中國的主題好就是跟大家講一下怎麼樣做一道美味的開箱美菜好像好想要怎麼樣我們都說讓我們繼續看下書首先要做出好菜的第一道工學不外乎是盛傳師來打好記憶任何的廚房方式的事情都要開場報名才能夠經得起見謝謝你們以及一顆愉快的心一起來準備這個火鍋的關鍵就是香蔥 蘿蔔 芹菜一起投影還有細心的裝飾然後再用豐富的鈣來跟它勾放的生物媽媽教我們家發來的這個湯裡面一定要有蔥 薑 蒜 鮭魚蒸什麼蒸別再蒸了讓線上正在參與公共政府開放直播的網友來告訴大家證實了站在一起這就以平台大手波波助行的這食材真新鮮是誰負責的是喔這湯頭真乾淨是誰負責的是喔我我不曉得就是單醬所以我說可以這樣吃呢湯頭上來了這個薯是可以吃嗎它這個到時候怕它可以吃嗎這個湯不太可以吃嗎這個減肥可以吃嗎大家放心我們火鍋制定的過程不但從最先起就納入了各界的專業意見而且呢在過程裡面也會照顧到各個不同的跟以前玩的群體的聲音只有這樣子才能夠讓群體得到完美的幸福之數達到最好處太好吃了我從來沒有吃過這麼開放的火鍋喔食材的料理方式都公開在裡面參與的關係人都可以盡情地發言再配合竹子搞的發布讓外界了解料理的過程為什麼為什麼要讓我吃到這麼開放的火鍋要是我以後吃不到怎麼辦啊沒關係子彩吃不到現在就上第一時間提到的公共屬為重新攻擊消磁的網站讓大家隨時都把我的原型開動成為火鍋群體所以那就是第一部電視劇我們團隊發佈了新興建築的新興建築我們來看看如果有任何問題為什麼要開始問一些問題喔 這裡還有所以我們來問問如果有任何問題如果有任何問題您可以握手不然的話我們會玩第二部電視劇所以這部電視劇我們開始與 Each MinistryEach Ministry現在有一個團隊參與的辦公室所以這是其實一個規定在一刻已經被解釋由於它基本上所有的辦公室必須有團隊參與的辦公室並且進行討論參與的辦公室所以這部電視劇是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室是參與的辦公室有些人认识这些计划的网络网络里的网络停了一天人们在使用电脑、iPad、Linux、Mac等网络里的网络也认识这些计划的网络网络里的网络已经花了四个小时或者更多的小时为了继续练好网络所以网络里的网络很丰富网络里的网络里的网络网络里的网络已经花了四个小时为了发出该π借助网络里的网络里网络里的网络已经花了4个小时网络里的网络里的网络现在已经已经全面 relative网络里的网络在网络里执动一个关于网络的浪费我們還要做一個實際體驗但我們已經有參與的辦公室和其他辦公室所以外國政府的政務官跟外國政府的政務官和外國政府的政務官和外國政府的政務官是我們的參與官所以在這次參與的行動他只提出這個案子我们的历史政策会议会我们每个月都会见到这一位精神的同学当他提出这个计划有一个直接调整的方式我们很快就会接受这一位同学在星期二的计划中会见到人们和人们的计划我们会发现人们却谈到最误会的计划就是说出很少的小孩有他们去but actually we're inviting the loudest kidsinto the kitchen to make sugar要料厨房来一起做汤so the idea is not that they will get what they wantbut they get to participate and make what they wantand we discover that people who complain the loudestare actually professional designersprofessional service designeruser experience designerprofessional computer programmerswho actually know exactly what is wrongexperience when it comes to non-windows systemsso we use this technique called user journeyas part of the service design techniquewe use a lot of positive noteswe collaboratively post it on the walland to go through all the stepsthat people go through when filing for taxand ask ourselves what are the user's needswhat are the problems they're currently facingand most importantly how are they feelingthroughout this journeyand so it was discovered that it's importantnot to just pay attention to the functionality of the systembut to the experience of the userwhen they're using the serviceand so afterwards we identified quite a few pointslike seven points that means improvingand so following that Fridaywe bring it to the prime ministerand so the prime minister the next Mondayyeah let's make a changeand so afterwards we have five workshopstogether with those impetitionerssuper servantscontracted id companies and so onand to make point by pointimprovements to the design experienceof the tax filing softwareand so after we start engaging with stakeholderswho explain their angerabout the tax filing softwarethe negative energy is actually a hotnessto make powerso the idea is that they nowget engaged and participateinto the redesign experiencethat turns this year's tax filing systeminto next year's tax filing systemwhich is going onlinejust this moment we're still testing itbut actually this is one of the casesthat we very clearly saysof the people who complain about thisare now invited as expertsand to help us make policy decisionsand so this system has beenin working in practicefor the participation officesfor the last,it was like 25collaboration workshops that will be runand at start of the each workshopwe play a film that explainshow exactly is the principlebehindworking this waybehind this open policymakingthere's still no questionsso I get to play the second filmand so just for backgroundit was started out of a rumoron the PTT bulletin boardthat there was this shawarmafood that was rumored to be a kind of animalthat just keeps growingon the stickand then people just start torturing this animaland making bits and pieces of itit started as a jokebut people actually proposed somethingabout this urban mythour e-pedition platformand so it was rejectedit didn't actually enter a petitionbut we actually use it as a filmso we spent a couple of hoursto make a entertainment educational filmto play at the beginning of eachcollaboration workshopin order to explain the methodologyfor people who are involvedso let's play it我們很適應到一個很遲到的華盛頓遲到的習近平那丁銘應該這個去接下來是不是希望我們還是按照我們常常好的作品的必要我們可能就是來做一些做的工作大家好今天很高興看到我們來到這個平常政府聯會的周圍我們看到最近就在收穫了這個案子的TNH的人機器哪裡相當整那我們的人工人員機器都突然繼續躺在這邊進行討論但雖然這個TN用的是比較齊心的資源因為我們自己都很想保護但希望我們先能夠很開心和有靈敵的討論先看看大家對這個習近平的長男今天是什麼都在來看這麼精采的工作大家早上就是穿過房間今天再跟大家介紹一下我們會進行的整個程序的討論會很快地在那邊發展所以我們就是說如果任何人都穿過房間那就越多人會很安靜然後實在是很適應大家好我是迪安大家好我是PGT做的版的鄉民大家好我是報告版的鄉民我是在夜市賣燒肉盤發大家好是大家好我是陳志豪我是中央會動的社長你們在民營的表情稍微講自己阿拉伯的動靜的產品也大量地使用國產在地的實態最大有成績出來大概七個問題這邊已經有說過他給一些解決辦法了有沒有希望可以增加的我們其實還有提供就業補償的然後就業統治未來的成績穿過的穿過宣報每次他其實都會的補償過假設我應該的話這一階段是會來談的問題假設就是說有這種類似稍微化這種東西稀有的都會出現的話現在市長這一段是不是有機足夠去保證多些信念今天整體的稍微完畢希望我們都會再充滿做到在各位各部隊的協助之下那種高興的就是我們的大家一起討論這些問題那此外經過大家的共識的溝通我們聯同做出這些解決的方法我們今天所有的產出都可以在這邊今天左右的一位能夠在M6需要你們的時候可以下網謝謝謝謝大家在這個星期五我們花了三四個小時所有的時間大家一次對教育大家一次的理解那這邊我也看到說你們不需要發佈一個希望包含這些這個見識所以說在星期一的這麼微小我們的院長期盼著我們能夠好多一下其實看清了雙貨處能夠為電影的方式再加起來打算讓這個深情的大家清除的記得謝謝所以我們有25-26合作商店從前很多早期他們處理都有執行也有代表會是早期今年我們並且卑微跟日待同尚沒有有合作商店卻繼續把樓盤購入亦是尚派那種在這個這不是 Layer裡面在在路上,每個地方都會有不同的速度調整L-shaped left turn rules第五個,因為在那時候我認為是一位年輕人從這領域給了他們的父母問他們的孩子是否願意留在8月是否願意留在AZ的學校但在學校的任務中你會看到學校的箱子但箱子會說我同意我同意所以你不願意留在AZ的學校所以所有的學生都會留在AZ的學校所以之後我們參加這個職業政府的教育特別說不可以這樣要在AZ的學校需要這個我不同意在AZ的學校所以現在是不願意留在AZ的學校第六個是很有趣的因為人們 may have heard of the atropine by it's called centonsiit is ait's an eye dropthat basically alleviates the nearsightedness especially for younger childrenbut the younger children are not very willing to use this medicinebecause it makes their eyes hurtespecially under sunlightso not many peopleare willing to use it voluntarilyeven though it's prescribedby the adoptersand in Singaporewhen they're running a comparison studyof the effectiveness of atropinewhen hearing nearsightednessone of the test groupis using a very dilutedlike one attendant10,000one thousand of a atropineand in that caseit's not expectedto have any effectit's mostly justthat it hurts a little bitand lead people to believethat they have been dosedwith an actual medicinebut much to the Singaporelapsed surpriseis as effectivein treating and preventingnearsightednessas the full dosage atropineplus when you usethe diluted atropines this waythe eye is not sensitiveto sunlightand it doesn't hurt that muchand so the childrenactually are willingto use the diluted atropineand it still preventsnearsightednessand so the petitionwas for the Ministry of Healthand Welfareto make this popularly knownto issueits own certificateunder TFDAand then because of the petitionthe Taipei Cityhospitalare now looking intomaking it's amedatorysuggestionfor the school childrenwho are nowbearing willingto use this kindof atropineto prevent nearsightednessthat's another e-peditionand the seventh oneis of course theexclusivelyusermasternext filing systemand sofor themore recent caseswe arekeeping a full track recordof the accountability trailof the policyso if one goes topengu.pedis.pwit was one of themore recent examplesof ususing this open policymakingwayin order to work on amarine national parkin Pohuithe four southern islandsand so not onlywe usecivic technologiesin order to outlinethe final decisionsthat we're makingfor the localpeople who fishfor the peoplewho are lookingto more diverse incomesfor the peopleworking on eco-friendly tourismfor people who live thereas well as the touristsand people who careabout sustainabilitybut alsowe also publishhow we get thereof the pre-meetingsthat we runleading to the collaboration meetingthere are360recordingof the collaboration meeting itselfas well as thepreparatory meetingsleading to the press conferenceand all of itcan befulltranscriptis not just people'sdecisionsand abstractis actuallyeach and every sentencethat everybody saidaround this matterso it provesto be very usefulto providea full contextfor peoplewho arenew to this topicand so thatthey can actuallyunderstandeachother's point of viewinstead of justdebatinga few soundbitesfared to themfrom the mediaand so againthis usestheposit notesthat we usecollaborativelyon a whiteboardbut againit is transcribedinto thison my digitalform of a whiteboardthat makes it possiblefor people to followafter the factand sowe start alwayswith astakeholdermaplike thisoopsthat's another casethat's the facebookscamcaserightthe stakeholder mapand thenstartingfrom thestakeholder mapwe thencollaborateto identifythe possible solutionsand so weuse theorid methodwherewe startwith thefactswhich arecollar in blueand thefeelingsthe reflectionswhich arereflectedin yellowand theideasto tacklethose reflectionswhich arereflected in greenand thethe issuesblockingthe effective implementationof those decisionswhich are marked in redand sothen we take thisand translate itinto actualawaking policythat we knowthat people canat leastleave withso that's the methodologyhopefully there's questionsnowokso Ginnywould like to knowthat do you thinkthat the participantssystemis good for itsI want to builda suitablepublic policyand I do believe soin Taiwanwe're now looking ata casewhere anyonereally anywhereusing the civic mediausing twitterusing facebookcan pretty muchstart a publicpublic policy discussionwithout the helpof mainstream mediaand without the helpof membersof the parliamentand for peopleto start discussionthis waysometimes they becomeverymisleadingbecause theydo not startat the samefactual basisas the other partiesthe idea is thatif we startfrom the same factsthen we canhave feelingsabout those factsI can feel angryyou can feel happyit's all okand thenwe convergeon ideasthat takes careof the mostpeople's feelingsthat makesmost peoplefeel goodand thenwe translatethose workableideaand thenwetellwewetellweTellweTellweTellweWatWatWatWatWatWat很多人都在街上 Random 看待有些人在香港時無法碰商有些人在街上 lights arefor a better人she語調我认为那些人在街上和人在政府上应该是很好的意思但是那些人的想法在那种情况下因为他们不合适在基本上他们进入了意大利意大利是那些非常强大的想法阻挡别人的新事件阻挡别人的感觉这就是我们现在的实验所以不过每个人都在发生了一个错误或者什么的我们的主意是我们只要开始从实验我们只要开始同一面的证明那是不只是被政府发布的公布但是我们也要让任何人来做证明任何人有不同的想法任何人不信任政府来做出这种专业的专业然后开始从这种专业我们就会说到那些人的感觉我们会让那些人的感觉变成了所以我觉得这是我们的最后一方绝对解决我们叫做惡犯的问题惡犯的问题是一个问题不可以完全解决所有人的满意但是所有人都不在乎这就是惡犯的问题所以解决一个惡犯的问题最需要的是是每个参加的成人去承认自己的惡犯在他们的目标中有什么得分有什么得分有什么得分有什么得分然后每个人都要发布一些改变的专业让他们更加努力但没有人能够发出所以每个人都要发布这样的行动然后强调这样的行动进入一个合作的形式它将令大家更好生生毕竟没有人能够发布这样的行动我们可以更加努力我们能够看到我们的国家非常好但没有一个合作的行动从所有的文化和人在街上它是不可能让人去承认因为他们不相信其他人会承认所以为了承认也可能我们需要一个合作的合作的行动有一个人会说有太多专业的行动专业的专业的任何人都能够承认这个问题是的我很在乎这个所以一个为何我参加是为了为了为了这个但是我不会承认任何人去承认他们的会因为我不能承认人但是我只是被人的要求去调查他们的行动所以一个问题他们会再次承认这个是调查或者猜得最后的我们有办法查这些他们的行动承认承认也选择让歌词承认承认 mean听但来自承认负责后罚有 Poss only在這是一個個案,在社交平台上,你會看到一個很便宜的東西,在社交平台上賣東西,賣東西,賣東西,賣東西,賣東西,賣東西,賣東西。有很多政策,其實是一個最重要的部分,如果你看到EY.gov.EW,在年底的 press conference,不僅僅僅會舉辦 an act, the Air Pollution Prevention Act,但也會舉辦 a concerted action to make this issue more apparent,但我們也會看到資訊 asymmetry in the PM2.5 issue,在一刻,我們會用很多的詳細語言,說,這幾%是從電子計劃,這幾%是從電子計劃,這幾%是從電子計劃,但其實很難說,在任何一天,為什麼和哪裡,是從 PM2.5的意思,我們可以找到一個模特兒,讓大家看得很清楚,從哪裡來的資訊,如果你有一個空間,在你家裡,或在你學校,或什麼的,去建立一個這樣的計劃,我會讓你做這個,因為每個新的資訊,是一個新的資訊,我會把這個資訊探討到,在你家裡,或是你家裡,或是什麼你家裡,或是什麼你家裡,或是什麼你家裡,或是什麼你家裡,或者是你家裡的資訊,或者是你家裡的資訊,其實我會讓大家看得更清楚,這幾%是從原來的資訊, Three, know this energy components models relate to the energy governance.So, you can see here clearly the energy governance models,the energy saving models,the electricity renewable energy and green energy models.And in addition to those public information,you can also see that how the voices that are gathered from the preparatory meetings整个台湾的证据是在进行决定的所以这次的计划是任何人能够承认自己是一名组织者他们的计划,他们的证据,他们的计划,他们的计划他们不允许他们的计划但他们可以再加上计划的方式所以这里是计划的重复从人们的计划进入现实的能量所以我没有时间去看每个公司的证据如何它能够承认自己的计划但如果大家有关我们的能量计划在下一几年,我会非常推荐去看《能量计划》的文件So will an open government become a media-controlled state or easily reduced to please the peoplebut the policy lacks forward-looking?Well, this is a great question.Obviously, we are going to work on quite a few policies to please the people.For example, people who use a tax filing software.The process of tax filing itself makes people angry.It is impossible to design a tax filing softwarebut by the end of paying your taxes, you become very happy.This is kind of difficult, actually.But at least we can come up with a system that explains clearly in each step what to doand why you're doing this and so on.And not to add additional displeasure at the act of filing taxes.The same thing goes for registering a company.The same thing goes for applying for a passport.There are many services that people need to interact with the government.But at this moment, they have to interact either through paper or fax or other systems.And maybe you need to go through four different agencies.So they have to fax or call a telephone or apply for a seal or a certificate or whateverto four different agencies on various levels.But with information technology, with e-government, of course,we have transformed those four agencies into four websites.So now you only have to go to four websites and fill in exactly the same thingin orderto register a company or to complete some other governmental service.But while visiting four agencies,at least let you meet four other people and get to know thema little bit, I guess,going to four websites and filling exactly the same thing.Actually frustrates people a lot and people sometimes get rejections just becausethey got the form incorrectly designed or the same database formatted in different ways.Or if they're just not using the Windows operating system,they may just look at those websites in a completely different waythan the people using Windows system and Internet Explorer.So in order to make the experience better to please the people,we're making a lot of actions such as this is so called the rescue actionThis is a program where we engage with 15 university studentsand those university students are charged with looking at all the different websitesor 508 websites of the second level units in the executive unit.So they look at it using a Windows computer on one sideand then iPad on the other sideand try to make sure that the experience states the sameand it makes sure that it doesn't actually prevent the people from doing the thingsthat they wish to doand so for all those different ministriesten students take turn and just look at all those different websitesand find the issues that they spotand then five internsfor specializing information technology or designactually improves the issueand reports it to the agencyso it goes through all the different websitesand the best thing is that those 15 studentsthey're not working in the office in Taipeisome of them are working in Taichungsome of them in Gaoshengsome of them in Huadianbecause I can't work anywhereI don't have to work in Taipeimy interns also can't work from anywherethis is a well-establishedpedal working directiveso we use this directive to engagemaybe next year we will engage with hundredsof students to try to make the experience a little bit betterby enlisting people who complainabout government servicesand to make things better togetherso of course we will start from those low-hanging fruitswe will try to make the service more smoothwe will make some policy that pleases everybodyand offends nobodyand so this is the lower-hanging fruitsbut we're also working on wicked problemsit's not like we only workwith the problems that are easy to solvequite oppositesometimes we are handedwith the problems like the Marine National Parkthat we can only solveby engaging as many stakeholders as possibleor sometimes we are handedwith this kind of problemsthat tries to convince the peopleto turn our time zone into GMD plus 9and to align the time zoneswith Japan and Koreain order to make other peoplenot confuse Taiwanwith the people's republic of Chinaand so for those e-petition systemsof course sometimes people thinkthat they are joke petitionsbut they actually reflect something deeperthey reflect the factthat people actually wantto make a distinction with VRCeven though changing the time zonemay not be the best ideaand so for those political caseswe are veryusually before the petition to the systemwe just don't talk about iteven when the MP3 is about this problembut with the e-petition systemit's very easy to offendone side or the otherbut we actually inviteboth sides togetherand actually go throughwhat exactly coststo change the time zoneand making the casethat actually spendingsuch costs to change the time zonemaybe wins our international pressmediafor one day or two daysbut actually people will forget about it very quicklybecause the PRC will just sayit's one state to two systemsand then it's goneso it doesn't really achieve muchfor a lot of coststo adjust the time zonebut then we invite the petitionersto actually brainstormof the actual deep root problemthat they care aboutand surprisinglythose peoplepro and againstthe time zonepetitionactually agreeon the deep core problemand started to brainstorma lot of waysfor all those different ministriesto make it more clearaboutyou know Taiwan's internationaldisability and things like thatso we then collected itand replied to everybodywhat I'm trying to get at is thatsometimesit ispossibleit's easy to please peopleand often nobodybecause it's justsolving a smallproblem that iscan be solved by technologyor by some designbut most of the timethe state cannotcontrol the media anymorethe people become their own mediaand the only wayfor people to start talkingto each otheris toto look higherto find the common valuesthat are sharedeven by peoplewho are very differentfrom each otherthey are maybe ideologically differentbut they still share some basic valuesand it's our work to find those shared valuesand try to direct people's energyinto fulfilling those shared valuesinstead of opposingto each otherso I think this is notforward looking rightthis is maybeoutward lookingas opposed to inward lookingjust working with peoplewho agree with you alreadyso breaking people out offilter bubblesI think this outward lookingthis explorationor innovationis something that we're working onit may not be forward lookingbecause it assumesthat people have a linear progressionthat only your directionis the right directionand you're leading everybodyinto that directionbut we're not doing thatwhat we're doingis that making sureeveryone can explorea difference of social innovationsand making surethat they are not in the wayof each otherthey're not blocking each otherand they can work towardsomething that isa shared valueby people involvedCan you analyze for uswhat will be the possiblyshortcomingof the governmentthat's a great questionso we just had a consensussessionfrom the entirePDIS teamand here you can seethe core valuesof our teamwhich is to build trustbetween the governmentand the civil societyand we start by trustingthe citizens firstbecauseif thegovernment doesn't earnthe citizens trustbut still expect thecitizens to trustthe governmentthat would be fascismthat would be brainwashingand what we're not doingthatwhat we're doingis that we trustthe citizens whomake a complaintwho make a petitionwho somehow let us knowthat they are not happywith the current statusand trust them enoughto co-createto create togetherthe policy to solvethe problemso this is the fundamentalvalueof our workand the secondary valueof course is toencourage a morevibrant civil societyto growand to make surethat social innovationactually toucheseveryoneso that peopledon't wait forthe governmentto do somethingthey can insteaddo somethinglike measurepm2.5all by themselvesand so this isour secondary valueourthird valueis to simplifypublic service workusing digital technologyusing design thinkingthere's some othervalues such asdigital serviceand innovationin the public sectorbut these are minorthe most importantthree values are hereand so the red cardsare actuallythe thingsthat makes itthe possible shortcomingsso the first red cardreadswell the deep water areaso for everyopen policymakingjob that we dofor every collaborationworkshop that we runfor every design thinking processwe go throughfor every consensuswide paper meetingthat we go throughfor each one of itthere's maybe ten other casesthat are being determinedby a top-downby a way that doesn'tactually listento people's complaintsthat kind of just railroadsthrough certain policiesso whereas we'regetting people's trustusing these methodsat the other sidethe executive administrationmay be losing people's trusteven more quicklythan we're earning people's trustand so that is the first shortcomingit's thatthis process itselfis still being formedis still being innovatedbut this requiresa cultural changefor people to expectthe government to work in this waywhereas many people still expectthe government to makelike the best parentsto make the best decisionsfor the citizenwithout the citizen's involvementso without a changein civil society'sexpectations of governmentall workis mostly just a prototypea testa examplefor the otherministries to followonly when the citizensare realizingor are demandingparticipation in morepolicymakingsuch as participatory budgetingor now referendumwhy notand the otheracts that enablestructured participationcan our workbe more trustworthyby the civil societyotherwisewellthere is only so muchwe can doto rebuild trustthe othershortcoming hereis thatwell the digital serviceby itselfmay not bethat's welcomeby the public servicemany people stillvery much like papermany people stilllike paper clipsand pen and penciland so onsoactually we're not forcingthe ministriesto use digitalworkflowbecause we realizedone of the shortcomingis that if the toolswe introduceactually add to your workinstead of takingaway your burdenthen you're probablyrevote against itso which is whythis is a dotted linewe're not forcinganyone to useany new digital systemwe're mostlyintroducing themand just for people to usewhen they thinkthey can save their timebutotherwiseit is notmilitaryso that's another shortcomingis that if weforce everyone to use toolsbeforepeople are ready for itthat's anotherpossible shortcomingmany other shortcomingsactuallyanother shortcomingis that the participationoffices in each ministrythey don't havethe same kind of resourcesthere are certain ministriesthat the Ministry of Financethe Ministry of Interiorthe Council of Agricultureand so onwho havetheir participationofficeslead a teamof considerable resourceto run this methodologyand also Ministry of Healthand Welfarethey're very fluentin running thisopen policymakingall by themselvesand also workingwith other ministriesbut there are alsoother ministriesI will not name nameswho are not thatwelcome to this methodologyso their participationoffices still attendour meetingsand workcollaborativelybut they're much less willingto take on casesby them allin a voluntary fashionand that is okayso one of the shortcomingsis that at this stageeverything isthey may usethis kind ofmethodologyand instead of shootso everything isat the discretionof their agencyand their ministriesand so during thepolicy formationand promotionprocessalthough we sayeach governmental agencyshould give full considerationto transparencyprecipationaccountabilityand inclusionbut here we saythat the POshould assist the headof the agencyconcerned to assesswhether the agencyshould carry outan appropriate processso although it isthe PO's jobto assessthe final decision makingthe policy planningstill is upto the ministerand so if the ministerdoes not likethis methodologyor if they thinkthis methodologyis detrimentalto their policy makingwith this current regulationwe have no wayto saythe ministry needsto makethis kind of policy planningor policy developmentprocessso this are the currentlimitationsI will not saythat there are permanentshortcomingsor permanentlimitationsbut this is the degreeat which we canrun the openpolicy making methodologyat this momentin the executive unionhow many policiesare made throughopen government procedurein the central governmentthat's a great questionthe collaborative workshopswe have run 25or 26of those workshopsso you can seeactually many of themin our PDIS websitebecause any processthat is run throughthis radical transparencyprocessyou can see a full accountof iton our platformso comingfrom petitionthere aresome 26 casesand coming fromthe IT departmentsthere aretwo caseswhile relating to theagricultural priceof fruits and vegetablesand another related tothe IOT for social good國民生物典王there's many other onesrelating to theesport電子经济there are ones relatingto social enterpriseshouldn't see itso altogetherI would saythere's about30-40policiesformedthrough aopen policy making processthat takes the usersfirstat the very beginningof designing the policyinstead of havingthe stakeholdersbe the last to knowso in the central governmentwe have coachedaround 40policiesin this wayin this various stagesnow compared toall the policiesthat the central governmenthas doneis likethousands of themthis is a very small numberbut through this processwe are empoweringthe ministries involvedto be morewill-vustin this processand also morewilling to use iteven withoutour helpor withoutaskingfor anybody'spermissionwhilesomeone saysshouldn't see itI hope I got the tone corrector notthe sport industry developmentactwas promulgatedon November 29thof 2017to nudge a talent in e-sportwhat's the plansthat governmentwill do specificallysothis requiresa little bit of contextthe e-sport caseis one of the first casesthat we didusing this open policy making processat that timethe ministry of educationdid notthink e-sportas a sportinstead of thinking of itas an industryand think theministry ofeconomy affairsshouldtake itbut the MOEAthinks that it's justfocusing on the hardwareand on thesoftware developmentthey don't really careor think it's their businessto care about the peoplewho are participatingsuch as sportthe thing is kind of a culturebut the ministry of culturethinkit only works withintellectual sportssuch as weiqior such as bridgeqiao piewho has traditionsand soit thinks it'smore likelythat's nota sportand should be the ministerof education's businessso at that timenone of the threeministrieswant to have anything to dowith the riseof the e-sport athletesand sousing an open policymaking processwhat we didwas we used public hearingsco-convened by the legislatorsand they invitedthe athletes to comeand then to explaintheir problemsthey faceon educationserving in the militaryand so onand then we bring itto this kind of full transcriptthe meetingand publish every meeting onlineso even thougheach meeting onlyresolve one part of the problemfor the remaining problemI havethe participantsed the transcriptfor ten working daysand then publish itfor everyoneby the online to seeand there are many stakeholderswho are professionals reallyin law or in other endeavorsand then you make useful commentson ptt,mobileZero OneD-cardevenYahoo GamingBahamutmany other forumsto suggestwhere should we move forwardand I will quote themon the next meetingand so onso we graduallywork in collaborationwith the peoplewho give us useful inputs onlineto resolve the issueto the pointwhere each of the three ministriesare nowvery much willingto take care ofthe e-sport people's rightsas much as the other athletesas much as the other peoplespecializing in various other sportsso at the momentI think with this new actthat was promulgatedaboutthree things will happenfirstwe will see one of the e-sportassociationsbecoming what we callBai Zhang and Nong Xieweiwill be a small associationjust like any other associationand to be governedin a way that is compatiblewith the new more democratic wayof governing sport associationsand secondwe will see a mergea synergybetween e-sport and other sportsbecause one of the most populare-sports in Taiwanis actuallybaseball simulationpeople don'tmaybe don't have the fieldto play baseballor maybe they don't feellike playing baseball physicallybut people very much like to play baseballon their phonesand or on their computersthere are manylike NBAand otherforms in which they canfind the e-sport gamesthat corresponds to the sportthat they likeand so I think what we're seeing nowis a fusionbetween the e-sportas well as physical sportthere may be counterpartsthat's being developedby the people who are recognizingboth as sports in Taiwanand the third thing is thatwe're seeing many peoplewho work on e-sportwill move onto be coachesand the coaches are not justspecifice-sport gamesbut on the developmentof an internet communitybut on mediaon communicationon marketingand many other thingson public speaking maybeso they have a very diverseset of developmentsafter the heightof their competitive gamingand areaand so it is just likethe other sportswhen it becomes legitimateit becomes lessyou know, rebelliousless cool maybebut it enables a generationof people to then move onto beproductive members of this societyand by sharing their experienceand also their fanswhen they built as a competitive gamerNic would like to knowthe members of the city councilthink not to support the systemof the participation budgetso what is the futureof the city councilbut this is a local level questionI don't really knowabout the detailsof the story of Kai Jones P.B.what I understand isthat it's one of the manyyou know, experimentsor innovative waysincluding world cafesscenario buildingand many other waysof including peoplein the city's participation processusually the P.B.'s relationshipwith the city councilthere could be two different modesone is thatthe city councilersactually allocatepart of their fundingavailable to theminto participatory budgetingand in this casethe P.B. is essentiallyan extensionof the city council's budget powerand in that caseit will bemore in harmonybut also smaller in scaleor the city mayormay impose a P.B. systemthat essentially just takes money awayfrom the city counciland that will result in a much morepensionbetween the city council and the P.B. systemand so I'm just speakingtheoreticallyso I think one of the waysto think about itis for the city councilto see P.B.is not something that threatenstheir legitimacybut actually realiseswhat they want from the cityto have a more inclusive dialoguewith people who are involvedin order to solve issuesthat are long term problemsbut are just, you know,too low priorityfor any particular councilorto noticethis is how in many districtsin Taipei cityhow those councilorsare relating to P.B.but againI don't really knowabout the local politicsof Taichungto comment intelligentlyabout how to adjustthe P.B. systemso it works betterwith city councilbut participationis not just P.B.P.B. is one of themore easy waysof participationbut there are many other waysas wellthrough community buildingthrough subsidisingor otherwisehaving creative grantsfor local so-called enterpriseor NGOto produce social valueand things like thatso I will not commenton the specificsbut I think P.B.was very popularbut it was just oneof the waysthat the city councilcan work withthe mayorto engage more peopleif there are better alternativesI'm sure thatyou will be embracedpeople saidthere's two peoplewho want to ask no offensebut people knowthat Schwarma is an animalso stop abusing Schwarmasound to be a hilarious spoofis this worth spendingtime on such issuewell the thing isthat we spendonly a couple hours timewe spend exactlytwo hoursto filmthat introductionand for every othercollaboration meetingafterwardswe play thisinstead of having megoing on the podiumand explainingwhat is the processof our collaborationmeeting againso just by the timewe saveto explainour processit's alreadyearnedthe time thatwe spend collectivelyon producing the filmthe other thingis thatwe did considerusing a real casemaybe the Hongchun casemaybe the Gonghu caseto illustratethis processbut the problemisin this casethere are actual stakeholdersand some of themwill feelmaybethey only getfive secondsit's unfairor even ifthey both getfive secondsthey getat firstand thenthere are other sidesso maybethe other sidehas an advantagebecause it's at firstbecause in our teamthere'sa consular from NCChe's very sensitiveto such mattersof balancedreportingin such filmsbut for Schwamathere are noadvocacyto save Schwamathere are noadvocacyto protestif we allocatethe secondsimproperlyrightso we cannotoffend anyoneSchwama includedto when we filmthings like thatthere are actualSchwama merchantswho actuallycall the executiveyuan when theyfirst saw the filmand think thatmaybe we arenevativelyimpacting their businessbut after ourcareful explanationof the boostingof popularity eventheyafter oneafter a few weekssees thatthere's nobodyactually boycottingSchwama anywayso theyare like okmaybe it's not sucha big dealand maybe it doesn'treally affectthat negativelyso to answerthis questionbrieflyfirst I thinkthe time 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所有人在選擇 也要跟線上的夫妻又都要參與每個店面 都要在講該的都要在這類路上 各種廠商和網絡都要進入施工的焦點各種廠商 都要到訪問各種廠商 都要到訪問都要從其他設施 都要到訪問現在已經15分鐘So, yeah, let's, um, I think this is 8, 12 at the moment, so let's go back at a little bit later, maybe, maybe 30, like 830 or so, so yeah, see you in about 17 minutes.各位學員晚安,我們在下個禮拜三就是我們會有個休業室,那休業室的時間是6點50到7點10分,那之後會繼續上課,所以請大家就是盡量準時出行,然後我們會有四個全勤的學員來代表我們受那個證書,那其他的學員證書的方式是文官學員會另外通知,然後我們下年我們明年還有同樣的活動,如果還有興趣的學員可以密切關心我們這個活動的訊息,謝謝各位學員晚安,那如果有人還沒有發言過的趕快趁這個機會跟老師互動,那有互動,所以有互動,學員都快出來跟我們拿回調寫,然後我們有更新最新的那個回調的狀況,所以剛才對那個智衡小的那一張是比較久的,那如果發言幾乎想要再更確定的話點,那下課都還可以出來再對,謝謝!我們會有很多的問題來討論,那問題是什麼呢?你討論了《National Triangle Card》,這就是第一個案子,這就是我們討論的案子,甚至前面的創辦團隊,這就是我們討論的案子,這就是我們討論的案子,那就是我們討論的案子,所以當我第一次討論《National Triangle Card》,就已經有提到《National Triangle Card》了,有些人可能還記得這個,所以差不多一個月前,我們就說了《National Triangle Card》不應該作出特殊負責任,而且有8000抗爭,而後來,還有一個重點,是關於《National Triangle Card》的討論,還有關於《National Triangle Card》的討論,所以在這段時間,有些人可能還記得,有很多的錯誤,關於《National Triangle Card》的討論,有些人認為,這是一種更新的貢獻,所有的社會資料,這些資料,使用社會資料,讓國際資料,受到財富,另外,有些人認為,沒有,這是負責任,因為高級社會資料,如果只付了他們的工作日,在他們的職業,如《National Triangle Card》的討論,國際社會資料會更多,這就是國際社會資料,所以,在社會資料中,同樣的政策,我們有一百六十的差異,在其他政策中,和其他政策中,再次,這並沒有其他證據,只是有不同的結果,在社會資料中,這並有很多的改善,還有很多的,想法,如何改善這個情況,所以,一個最大的建議,用明確的計算,在社會資料中,讓所有的人看得很清楚,這是,其實,沒有什麼效果,這是,我們的優勢,是減少費用到公企的7%到職位的職位然後我們會細細研究我們在研究這個然後我們有人從每個政策想要成為職位的辦公室採訪的問題關於國際貿易卡所以國際貿易卡其實是國際貿易卡的工作我們每個政策從每個政策進入了幾個政策然後開始 working on aspects國際貿易卡的項目使用,它的目標正在改變政策製造的程度即使它影響了敵意即使它是一個錯誤還有很多其他東西然後我們採訪了這八個政策希望和懷疑和懷疑和做了一個完整的想法首先關於名字是否能夠把時間拿走或不或者是否有太多的敵意然後是否有缺點是否有問題每個人都會有問題還有敵意還有很多的懷疑還有願意討論和解決這些懷疑所以我們把這件事送到法院然後基本上請他們確認解決整個情況這是我們做的第一次然後說這是明顯我們開始討論所以所有人都是同樣的明顯第二很多人認為可能這是不是最好的想法為職業主席決定這樣一件事甚至是自己的可能這是一個更好的想法所有的不公平的想法在這個問題上所以這是我們叫做當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的當中的我们在汽车旅游时,我们在汽车旅游时,我们会用到国家汽车的词很多人会发现,很多的热情线在汽车旅游的河小里面因为这不是很清楚,如果是一个土地的市场或者是在室内买东西或是在室内买餐,是一个土地之一是非常難看起來的資訊系統坦白說是非常難使用的這就讓我們在NDNDC發出我們的研究給所有的社群提供關於名字的改善以及他們的放鬆的各種方式他們現在正在進行研究作為下一年的結果從我聽說過他們現在正在進行進行研究的改善所以有可能一半的國際貿易卡不只是想看哪個國家的旅行是否相關的可能會只是有任何的影響但這是我們最有名的我們從整個政府的研究中但因為我沒有在政策中進行改善我只在在研究中的設計所以我真的不知道將會是最後的討論但至少我們有政策的改善從一年來我們會把研究的方式證明給所有的社群提供給所有的社群提供所以因為這是我們的第一項實際上這就是共同的研究所以在那段時間我們並沒有有很清楚的行動計劃或是政府的領導去進行我們只會解釋問題被判斷被判斷並且被判斷的公司判斷但我認為還有一點很好的事在這個項目中雖然這不是一個實際上的研究像是一種雙方的改善和改善的想法和改善的想法我們就基本上判斷然後把所有的不同的提供做清楚在我的研究中但還是我覺得有一點好就出現了因為參議員來到這個項目其實受到受到受到不可辭職的因為他們都是他們自己然後他們明白更多如何受到政府的改善和改善的想法所以這就是研究中的項目讓參議員更加更加簡單的人們來到我們有5,000人的參議員因為他們正在參議員的項目中跟RenzoniaNDC還有MOTC在這個項目中所以我們也在這項目中推出了三個可能他們會在這項項目中反映國際電腦公司的國際電腦公司的這項項目在大量的資料謝謝我做了這項項目我的項目就是設計項目把公司的項目和不同的項目因為前面這些參議員的項目被很多政府的項目政府的項目仍然非常有這些人雖然不完全相信但很多其他項目不名名現在仍然不完全相信這些項目和項目但我認為這項項是大量的項目和項目能夠參與這樣的項目項目在計劃項目和項目的項目所以這項項並不特別因為它是集中什麼特別的項目它是特別利用特別的項目因為這是第一次一項在政府的項目中以及項目的項目的和項目的項目的項目我認為這是因為你項目的項目或項目的項目的或項目的大家都真的想要有一個完全理解項目的項目是每個人的項目給他們一個完全的項目所以沒有人會進步我們看來做同樣的項目的項目還有很多其他環境資料其他是那項目水和雨和山等等他們沒有項目所以他們不會說他們的資料不應該所以我們通過人物資料和項目的項目工作和項目的項目資料那其實真正的人物還有另一個項目的項目但項目讓我們在這個項目的資料沒有擔心人物資料和項目的資料Cavin想要知道在這個時刻我們其實做出了項目的項目是法律法律現在我們必須項目項目項目項目所以雖然我們很少但是我們都在項目上項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目項目如果國際社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?這是一個非常有趣的問題我真的不認為國際社會有更多的利益我真的不認為國際社會有更多的利益如果國際社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?如果國際社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,你認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?我認為民主社會有更多的利益,我認為民主社會真的需要保護國際社會嗎?任何接觸的媒体就是每个国家都在担心所以那是一个不可思议的选择另一个不可思议的选择就是我们已经基于完全自由的说法因为我们的一代是第一代的完全自由的说法但我们仍然记得我们没有自由的说法所以没有人想丢失这种自由的说法令我们更容易调查广告社会的参与而且广告社会的参与在现场的调查我觉得台湾是第二代的世界就在美国之后但是在公共调查用电子更加远的实际上女性的例如台湾是第一代的世界而且我们也想比美国之后更加远的调查所以我们开始的非常好是我们没有必要做太多为了进入美国之后但是另一边如果我们比台湾有些城市像埃斯兰城市或者埃斯兰城市或者巴斯拉罗娜或者一些埃斯兰城市也就是 pretty much a city但是因为是一个国家但是比我们比我们市场的比我们比我们都比我们更加远我们用很多不同的调查所以我认为在台湾是一个比美国之后比我们更加远比在美国之后但是我们比美国之后比 other city是一个比 other city stops投诉我们A在一些群体上的预备如何避免这种状态并且并且有利并且有利的意思是让很多群体能够承担所以当所有的承担者变成一部分的状态当他们能够承担每个人的观点都能够承担有少许的问题有一个承担者的群体承担所有的状态这就是为什么所有的系统我们用的承担者的团体承担者的团体还有很多其他团体我们用的承担者的团体你刚才看到我们做的所有的例如这些我们有一个公司在这里但是你会发现只是承担者只是承担者这个系统你不可以回答任何其他人的讨论你只能选择带他们上载或者下载带他们下载如果你有一个承担者的观点最后的一方其实是调整承担者的观点在其他层面的颜色并不是承担对其他颜色的观点而是其他颜色的观点所以它需要更多人的承担所以以这种方式的设计我们不允许人们的时间不允许其他人的计划或者你看看厉害但是我们不允许人们承担他们的不同的观点我们不允许我们不允许承担他们的数据所以就算有200个有39个我们不承担我们不看待有什么承担这就是人们承担他们的观点从各种不同的角度所以它变得非常困难从任何一个项目去控制调查在承担的之后我们会看到各种不同的计划和承担之前我们进入了面对面的调查所以这就是承担我们 instead of承担我们只要有人承担其他人的声音并且以一个方式承担并且承担一起调查并且是否可能承担网络接下来是否实际上需要的法律网络实际上仍然被迫承担并且承担综权会承担网络系统网络的网络系统所以在未来网络未来承担是否可能承担网比网络更为承担不过人家一人承担还有五千人承担承担这几个承担可能与的五千人坐配承担这计划呢承担网络系统承担赶了承担我认为二十三30,000人或是 something like thatbefore it gets into the popular voteby the referendumso it will feel very much like an extensionof the existing joint systemand the participation officeswho are now working on thee-petition systemwill form I think the backboneof the team that will nowstart to work with referendum actpetitions in the futurebecause everything isthe same e-petition systemunderneath.Kate would like to knowpublic opinion that valuespublic opinion is correcthow to make professional advicetruly respected and valuedthis is a great questionso when we go back to the stakeholder mapthis diverse discussionis I think by far the most importantand by a diverse discussionwe really mean thatjust a secondthat every ministryherewho may startat a very different pointor a very different roleat any public issueactually sits on a round tableand talks with other professionalsnot many people working in the central governmenthas the local knowledgefrom the local fishing people's associationand not many fishing peoplehave a battling experienceand not many people havingyou know the experience of snorkelingand things like thatso it really takes everybodyin order to translateeach other expertisein a way that every other peopleother side can underand understandand so we designthe discussionin a way that actuallynot just let people to speakbased on the facilitatoror on the public officials directioninsteadwe make themadd to each other's argumentsby very clearly markingthe factual, the reflectivethe suggestions and the problemsand so on this way of collaborationeach card representssomething that is substantialwhen considered by one sideof the stakeholdersexpertiseand when it comesfor policy makersto look at these cardswe refer backto the transcriptsin whichthose peoplewith that expertiseexplaining that particular cardand so the ideais that every expertcan only add to the discussionwithout taking anything offthe boardeveryone has to respecteach other's expertisewhen it comes to one specific partin this boardand so this is ourdesignof the collaborative workshopin that people can onlyrespect and add to each otherother's discussionand they cannot preventother people from speakingor taking their arguments awayand so this isso that we canafter identifying the problemsthen reintroduce the expertsto let us knowhow exactlycan the ministriesinvolved improve their workin order to address the problemsor in a coordinated fashionso the two main point isfirst to have a safe spacewhere it's impossibleto interruptor to preventother people from speakingand second to havea collaborative spacewhere everything is addedto a shared understandinginstead of competitivelytaking away from each other'sspeakingtree-cut is an issuedoes the central governmentpay attentionabout thatI assume the problemthe question is talkingabout deforestationpensurewhateverpreservation of forestor does theperson who raised the questionwould like to elaborate moreI don't personally know muchabout the policyabout forestationit has not beenindeed it has not been raisedas a petition issueso I know very littleabout our forestationand conservation issueI do know howeverwithin ourGottuguewafaourland-use planning methodologythere will need to bededicated areasabout farmingabout forestationabout all the different usesand those uses will need to bedeliberatedagain in a multi-stakeholderopen fashionby all the local people involvedand so within theGottuguewafa frameworkthere is a lot of roomfor this kind ofinformed discussionand deliberationthat I justintroducedand I'm sure thatit will includeexpertiseforestpreservation andand so onbut personally I reallydon't know muchabout thisparticulationwhat do you thinkabout China'swar planeswho drillsand surrounding Taiwanso very interestinglybecause part ofmy working conditionwhen I enterthe covenantall the informationthat I seeI can publishso in the資訊公開法in the freedom of information actthere is a clausethat saysall the drafting stagenegotiedinformationis not to be publishedwee gongkaiunlessit is for the public benefitto avail gongyiand approvedby thethe higher upsrightso the ideais that mostthe drafting stagewhat we calljohnson's new themeis actuallyby defaultnot open to the publiceven after the policyis setwe cannot publishthe historyof the drafting stageunless we can proveit is for the public goodand it's difficultbecause if youconvince your bossbut now your boss is bossas long aswithin the command chainthere is anyonewho is thinkingit's not for the public goodthen you don't getto publish itaccording tothe freedom of information actbut my working conditionwhen Inegotiatedwith the prime ministerwhen I joinedthe cabinetis that I sayall the informationthat I look atI consideris publicationto be for thepublic goodand sowe also cannotwe seedon't havegongyirightso I getto publisheverythingbut inexchangeor a naturalconsequenceof thatis that I cannotlook atnational secretsfor allthe cabinetmembers gotobunkersI actuallytake a dayoffso I stilldon't knowwhere thebunkers areso I'mcompletelyshieldedcompletelypreventedfrom accessinganynationalsecret issueor evenconfidentialorhighlyconfidentialissueso Idon't knowthe ideas ofdefense and so onI can'teven look atthose informationeven if itaccidentally goes tomy officeit's just clearedby one of thecounselors workingthere and soyeah I reallydon't knowmore thananyone readingthe newspapersabout thisso Idon'thave anyformer opinionsoslimiawe're likedid ourgovernmentuse transparentplatformnationalpopulation issuesgreat questionwe actuallytalkedwith thelabourpetitionersduringtheepetitionissuewhere theytalked aboutholidaysI thinkit's called國定家日法the nationalholidayillegrationhere we gorightso thistook placein Octoberand therewas some protestsbut actuallythey didagree toattend ourparticipation meetingsand thisis a photo thatI really cherishbecause this isI think tomy knowledgethe only timewhere evenlive streamedall recordedenvironmentprotestorsfromgongdoand representativesfromgongzoactuallyworked togetheron the same tableand useimposite notesunderstandingsof the currentlabour situationand althoughthepetitionwas abouttherelative benefitsof havingseven more holidaysversus nothaving seven moreholidayswe neverthelesscleared upa lot ofmisunderstandingjust likethe urgencyon the國定家issueonce Isayingaccording toOECDon Taiwan hasworking hoursaveragecomparedin OECDcountriesbut actuallywhen seenfrom thesome other sidewhen we justcompare full-timeworkersversus full-timeworkersTaiwan is actuallyone of the lowerworking hourswhen it comesto full-timeworkersbut the maindifferencebeingthat there isnot manypart-timeworkers inTaiwancompared tothat is becausemost OECDcountries has a lotprotectingthe laborright ofthe people whowork part-timebutTaiwan doesnot have thiskind of lawand inactuallymost of the societyview them asjust doing gigsdaringgong and generallyis from thepongand so this isas much acultural issueas alegal issuebut without thelegal basisto enable part-timeworking basicallyand of coursewe alsoworked a lotof the actualeconomic modelsand studiesneeded tocalculatedbut we alsoidentifythe issuesof thesalary ofoverworkingof notadheringto the basiclabour lawsand alsothe lack of theorganizationand the currentlabour unionsin orderto talkwith thecompanyand thepossessivenesshereare understoodand prettymuchpre-eatby all the differentsciencegoing to thecollaboration meetingand becauseof thisthe responsesthat we gotto identifythe issuesfor theNDCfor theMOEAand for theMOIto work withis actuallyprettywelcomeby everybodyworkingon thisthetaxationthetaxfiling systemwherewe havefive workshopsafter theinitial collaborationmeetingafter this meetingand as many ofyou knowtherethe labour law adjustmentisproposedto thelegislative unionand so wedon't getto docollaborativeworkshopsafter thisinitial meetingsoI would sayto thisproposedto thelegislative unionand sowedon'tgetto docollaborativeworkshopsafter thisinitialmeetingafter thisinitial meetingsowedon'tgetto docollaborativeworkshopsafter thisinitial meetingsowedon'tgetto dohavea way to reallyinforce thoselabour unionrise and things like thatwhich is prettymuch agreed by allthe stakeholderswho came to ourcollaboration meetingso we'll still worktoward those policiesalthoughat the momentthe collaboration workshopis notongoingand onnational populationissuesI assumethat meansthe Shaozan NewHawin teamat the momentI don'tthinkthere's anyoneworking onthisaside fromasking theMinister of Healthand Welfareto notsendXinzhouUrbanwhateverbibleas part of thespecial budgetand theMinister of Healthand Welfaredid actuallylisten tothatyou petitionbut there'sno petitionat the momentworking onthis issueand as fornational dialoguewe haven'tas far as I knowthatwe're goingto talkin ourhorizont meetingswhen it comesto science and technologyplanningso mostlythis is aplanning sessionin reactionto the reductionof populationthis we'regoing tohave anopen policymaking discussionbutif yourideais howto reversethe populationdeclineat the momentwe don'thavereducingscience andtechnologyto makeeverybody'slife qualitiesdo goodeven thoughthe populationis shrinkingas tothecross-straitrelationshipthe wind seemto blowto themainlandChina sidewill TaiwanbeeventuallyengulfedwellpersonallyspeakingI seeTaiwan asand IIthinkhuman beingsis one of thespecies that occupythisisle for a whilebut as long as wedon'tdestroy thebiodiversitywe should be stillable to giveus to the nextSantianspecies and we'rejust homesteadingthisisleat the momentand Taiwan is stillraising 5CMevery yearand so thisview is calleddeep ecologybasically I don'tsee humana moreprivilegedspecies than anyotherspecieswhen workingwith Taiwanand it's with thisview that Ithink riversand marinenationalproductsand fishand whatevershould allhave theirlegal personhoodand havepeople whospeak for themand so thisis avery radicalpositionand in thatpositionI don'treally thinkTaiwanisexperimentingwith onegovernance structureandTaiwanexperimentingwith open governmentand openguard policymakinggraduallywith alargercivil societyI thinkwe'reexperimentingalongdifferent dimensionsthere aresome experimentsthat onlyMailinChinacan dobecause it willnot be seenasconstitutionalhere inTaiwanbecause we'reboth makingcontributionsto the civilizationexperimentingwith differentgovernancemethodslong as weareexperimentingalongdifferent linesinstead of tryingto arbitrarilycompeteeachother'sdimensionsI thinkwe're doingokayand I thinkthe Earthcan usemore than onegovernanceexperimentingin this regionthat's mypersonhoodpolitically.In the near futurethere's always potentialfor securityproblem.That's for sure.Mostly thepublic security problemsis actually in theterminal systemsin thepersonhoodcomputersused toaccess the system.For example,any computerthat still runsWindows XPaccess theinformation systemfrom the centralgovernment cloudin a unsafeway.The Internet Explorerversionin Windows XPcannot supportsecure connectionmethodand so it becomesvery easy toattack suchterminal systemsand take controlof thepublic servicesystemsand sopart of thespecial budgetis whatwe useto upgradethe hardwareso it canat leastrunRed HatDenexorrunWindows 7orWindows 10becauseall of themsmallnumber ofhardwareso we areupgradingeverythingin order toincludemore computersinto thesecurecommunicationinfrastructurethe otherthing isthat we'rehiring a lotof White Hatpackersto attackthosecentralizedsystemsthe systemthat webuiltthecentrumsystem thatwetrytoattackthesystemandfindaboutourabilitiesandwhentheysayokaytheythinkthis isprettysafeandthis isthe opensourceunderpinningwe thenmakemoreandwehavea lotofapplicationsthis waywhat I'm sayingis thatthe safetyis notsomethingthat youcan justcertifysafetyis adynamicpropertythat isdefinedby peopleconstantlyhiredtotryto attackthe systemand telltojustforthe intrusionandsothis isbasicsecuritydesignand we'realsoextendingthatto the critical infrastructuresthatpower plantsandelectricitygridsandwhateverinsteadofjustthe想上其中it's becauseofsomeoneask a questionsothank you formaking thisexcellentdiscussionpower companyto acquireprivate powerwhether it's agood policywhat is truethat we'retrying todiversifythe powercompaniesjapanfor examplethey're verysuccessfullywhen theyhaveall the differentcommunitiesusing solar panelsverysmall power companiesessentiallyall across Japanit's not to replacethe tokyo powercompanyit is to make surethat everybodyhave a morefull understandingof how the powergrid workshow their energypolicy workit is essentiallylike participatorybudgetingit is notfor exampleallocating95% of budgetfor participatorybudgeting is not like thatit's like 5%or lessbut just by participatingin the energypolicy contributing5%for the nationalenergypolicymakes the energypolicysomething that everybodycan talk aboutit becomeswhat we call asocial objectaround whichpeople canhave ainformed discussionlike talkingabout today's weatherrightso when peoplehave ainformed discussionit's much easiertocommunicate abouta largerscale energypolicy this wayone of the issuesTaiwandid facethe whole energypolicyit means thatpeople actuallydid not knowvery muchabout all thevarious differentenergy typesand the layoutof the power gridand things like thatand because of thatthere's a bunchof people whoblindly trustTaipowerand there's a bunchof people whoblindlytrustTaipowerand because of thatit's almost impossibleto haveainformedenergypolicy discussionaboutenergypolicyso we seethe same structureover the placeparticipatory budgetingparticipatoryenergyprivateenergyplanmakingeventuallyparticipatorycourt systemswhere theythe judgesmeetingon thehaving a caseheardand things likethatparticipatoryjustice systemthe reasonis notby peoplenot the wholebudget replacedby peoplenot the wholeenergy gridtaken outby individualpower plantsand certainlynot the court systemreplacedby the jurybut byrotatingpeople's participationpeople can thenhave a moreinformed discussionwhennational policyneeds discussionby the peoplein your opinionwhich countryhas successfullyimplementedthe open governmentideap ftppppppppppppppppppppppppp在12個月內,我留在5個月內在歐洲,我在歐洲很接近歐洲的城市他們認為歐洲的妥善不像歐洲一樣所以歐洲是自己的國家但不像歐洲的國家但不像歐洲的國家但不像歐洲的國家所以我們會看到新加坡在新加坡建立了一個新加坡的妥善但是新加坡是一個城市它不像歐洲的國家我們看到歐洲的城市在歐洲的地方很接近我們看到歐洲的國家很多人都像歐洲的貿易有些人都認為歐洲的貿易是很好的我想一種意義是因為歐洲的城市人們還要在歐洲的城市每個人的生活都要在近距離比如美國人們住在一個城市和另一個城市他們不想那麼多生活經驗比歐洲更難得有資訊或討論生活經驗都不一樣這就是我們在新加坡主要是進一步我們稱之為 subnational level因為大部分大部分大部分人們大部分人們大部分所以我們有很多學習技術很多別的城市但是我們有很多學習人們很多別的國家這是我們現在的開放地區歐洲的貿易是很好的討論當然電電書討論物資談論其實我們四周年我們三周年我們開始發生下一步我們開始我們開發成立互聯然後因為但這並不一樣從前幾個步驟因為大陸的民眾可以有一個進步並非只有經濟經濟經濟經濟的想法但所有人都可以提供他們的問題以及他們的談判當他們進入了能源的問題以及當他們進入了能源的問題將會是關於能源的政策在前幾個步驟《全國能源會議》和《國際國安法》的談判中的能源有幾個步驟政府將會提供幾個問題讓民眾談判但這次在談判中和合作的談判他們可以提供任何問題包括19年那是在民主經濟經濟的以及《國際國安法》的這次在談判中是一個更加相關的關係與民主經濟經濟的和民主經濟的和民主經濟的國際國安法政府要如何提供領導在國際國安法非常短暫的它應該不應該國際國安法我覺得是在民主經濟經濟的和民主經濟經濟的和民主經濟經濟的這是我們設計的《Digital Plus 2025》的計劃《Digital Plus 2025》的前面的《Digital Plus 2025》《NACI》的計劃主要是關於資料領導但是在《NACI》的計劃中我們現在要做一些小事但是在很多小事在很多小事的地方政府是太短暫的因為政府可以只能改變一年所以因為這樣我們現在比較喜歡在社交領導和NGO解決這個問題政府是解決的但更加 efficient在社交領導的所以這是每個星期我們就在台灣談論社交領導的領導人和11民主回答他們的問題效果這是因為我們相信解決這個問題對社交領導的問題而不只是用我們的KBI去解決這個問題在過去一年所以在任何危險的情況下我們比較喜歡在社交領導的工作這也是為何除了經濟計劃我們需要經濟領導或經濟領導或經濟領導或經濟領來 convene任何的這次新興建築和經濟領導的計劃都是經濟領導和副副領導的所以他們會立即通過經濟領導以他們的工作工作這就是更加比較更加更加更加新興建築和共產領導的部分所以我的主領導是在自行工作和副总監這是我在一些經濟領導的工作 open dataわりあり資訊估計政府的工作我們不會在社會建造更好它们的工作就是解决它们的问题而不是解决它们的方式我们可以做一些效果的政策在中国的冒充这是一个很好的问题这是其实不可能的如果我们继续继续继续继续如果我们继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续继续这个效果那种效果有一定的元硕这些是讲究的他除了平均2.5%來自電腦、電腦、電腦和電腦供應我們有些非常大幅度的價值但我們沒有現在所以當然我們可以在政策上工作我們之前已經知道電腦供應和電腦供應模式但我會比較喜歡公民政務院的下一年來作出電腦供應模式我們之前已經知道電腦供應模式的最嚴重的問題所以這就是我現在的答案電腦供應模式是一種理想為了國際電腦供應模式如果我們不知道為什麼電腦供應模式在台灣為什麼我們要減少電腦供應模式因為我們不知道為什麼電腦供應模式所以我們不想減少減少電腦供應模式或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量還有更多的能量還有更多的能量我們可以在政策上工作我們已經很清楚了我們已經很清楚了我們沒有太多的想法所以我們不認為這就是使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量或使用更多的能量是什麼是最重要的分析這是非常難問的問題這是非常難問的問題如果我們看電腦供應模式有什麼方法為人民重新重重新重新重新重新重新在民主黨上我們會說但是很多人在社會中會會講的是不像那樣的參與,更多人能參與,更多人能有興趣在社會中的政策,更多是更重要的,那是最重要的一件事,要建立一個正常的基礎,那是最重要的一件事。當然,有很多人會說,包括參與者的分別是最重要的一件事。我們為何會列出四件事呢?是因為,在各種各地各地的各領域,我們會列出四件事,因為沒有其他三個價值,任何一位議員都不能站在自己的身上,沒有參與者的分別,也就是市場的分別。但是,沒有參與者的分別,也就是市場的分別,也就是市場的分別。要有分別的分別,也就是市場的分別,每個選舉都有機會被浪費, meaning that you don't have to cancel votes,你選擇了其他人,你選擇了其他人,你選擇了其他人,或者其他其他人,但是,如果我們選擇了參與者,我們選擇了政策,我們選擇了領域,我們選擇了民主黨,我們選擇了朋友,你可以選擇五件事, and only two of them ends up being national policy.你曾經覺得你成功了,你已經成功了,沒有失敗者,當他們選擇了政策和政策的領域,但是,人們會感覺到失敗,當他們選擇了民主黨的人,就像是一名贏家,選擇了民主黨的人。所以,我認為,選擇了民主黨的人,是我們選擇的,是很重要的,我們想要更多的機會選擇,當民主黨選擇了政策和政策,而不是選擇了民主黨的人。是否有機會選擇民主黨的人,可以在他家工作,在未來的情況下?哦,對,當然。其實,這是一件事,如果你的工作,有任何事情可以做到,與網絡交通,你沒有必要工作在平常的時間,你能在任何時間工作,只要你的老公是可以的。然後,還有另外一件事,如果你的老公覺得你更能力,更能力地工作在網絡交通,在其他地方,你還可以在那裡工作。這就是我的工作狀況,當我聚會時,當我參加公司時,我提供了這句話,我的工作是關於網絡交通的,所以,我可以在任何地方工作。然後,恢復地,每個人在我的辦公室,每個20人,我可以在任何地方工作。所以,你能在任何地方工作,更能在那裡工作,更能在自己的辦公室工作。還有一個問題,我是發現,當我聚會時,每個人都能在任何我想像的地方工作。例如,當我聚會時,每個人都能在任何方法工作。然後每人都能在任何方法工作。然後,當我聚會時,每個人都能在任何方法工作。那,當我聚會時,大多是在任何地方工作。那,当任何组织员进行任务他们变成组织员所以我们叫这种组织员联系是政府不是组织员的选择政府是组织社会的但最多的组织员需要一些组织员和企业和企业为组织与组织与组织的解决如何组织新的工作和组织与组织我认为比较高的组织员必须拆除他们的利益然后组织与企业如果有任何组织员这就是我一直做的事任何组织员任何组织员都可以组织在任何组织员因为这些组织员如果犯错这些组织员因为这些组织员有很多人其实很愿意组织然后他们做了什么你回来然后查一下企业然后看到他们然后他们得到信用政府如何组织组织组织与组织与组织这是一个很有趣的问题我其实不知道什么道理在这种情况下我认为在我的脑袋里这是一个组织与企业非常低非常小并不帮助因为我并不帮助组织与企业有很大的组织问题在这种情况下我觉得最 efficient solution是看到我们并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员并不是组织员在我的生活中在練習中我可以希望未來的國民會看到自己有更多的方式更多的方式所以它不會影響承諾所以謝謝你聽到這句話多謝你非常謝謝老師今天帶來這文精彩的演講我們今天的活動到此告一段落提醒您你開始別忘學生的行李謝謝那我們下一次盡量準時在6點15時前就先到教室謝謝有提問的人記得要寫單字喔這樣才會有記錄他有沒有在錄了錄的他現在就不知道他什麼時候在