 And you can get the height and send everything to the internet for a microcontroller through SMS. So SMS is pretty cheap. So use that. So that's one example that what this network, what this technology, what this summit does. But, so that's one of the product. I just told the mobile child monitoring. So some slides about that. But this summit started in 2007 and there was just summits. Just July that happened, or just December. Just one month summit, two month summit. And one of the problems that work about social impact is how can you keep the content of the project? How you keep the product going and product coming and keep going. And from this moment, IDDS become IDIN. They call International Development Innovation Network is an international network that work with this kind of project and become bigger than just the summits. And together with this, I like to say about how you can go up in the design process. So if you think about the summits, you work a lot if you design to and design with. What I mean if I say design to, design with. When I say design to, so I get some pre-requirements. I talk to some people. I came into my place and I produce the technology and I make the project. And after I return and give the project, so I'm doing a design to someone. But when I tell about design with, I get someone, I get people from the local, from the local culture and bring them to the design process to produce, to make the technology make the solution. And they also co-create the solution to us. So they create, we create the technology together. But I think the most, the most impactful, the most, our belief that the most, the best way to really regenerate impact is designed by when we don't design together, but we teach the design tools, we teach the maker movement to people and they can produce their own solutions. And we believe in that. And if you think on this way, together with the continued idea, a lot of your names start to come for our mind. So you think that we could do a place inside of a local area, in our case, in our favela, in our community, that could keep doing this project happening, that happens in the summits, or better than that, could do more projects, could instigate, could decrease the energy to produce more projects. So all these names came into our mind, tech space, hacker space, innovation center favelas, maker space, all these letters, and realize that what we need, it's some community space to make, to build whatever they want, what they want to build, right? Or better, what we want to build because today I'm part of the same community, I live in the same community. So on this moment, I need to talk about this woman. So her name is Leah. She's the leader of the community where we work today. The name of the community is Villanova Esperanza in Portuguese. We can call it English New Hope Village. It's a village of 600 people, 3,000, sorry, 600 families, 3,000 people, and a small village. And we started to think about that idea, oh, how can we build this place inside of favelas, inside of community in Sao Paulo, that could support projects, that could instigate more projects. And we realized, we started to talk to some favelas with some community members, with some associations, some leaderships, and we met this, and today we say that they choose us to do the project and not we to them to do the project because we are the same, we're like we are on the same place. And she's a strong leader in this community. So here you can see the first sign inside the community. Already you can see the roads behind. The roads, it's all the roads inside of the community like that. And so she has worked for the last three years, two years, sorry, for the last 10 years, being leader of the association of the community. And when we start to talk to her, the first time they start to talk to her, we start to do some questions about, hey, how can we work together? Like, what do you like? And then she started to say, I like handcrafts. The community members like handcrafts. The community members like learning by doing, but maybe how, what it can do, how you can keep working or can have more ideas. And she said something about, maybe we could do a protein incubator because I talk a little bit about what he did just briefly. And she said something about do new projects inside of the community, do green house. They want to do an ecological village inside. So we keep it talking, keep it talking. And she came with the social technology center. Good. So the community already has an idea, the organization, that they want to do something similar about what people from outside want to do. So it's not something that just people from outside is coming and doing inside. So there is some synergy. There's some goals in the point of view. There's some visions that go to the same place. So we find a match, right? So there's the two sides that maybe has the same vision is a little fuzzy yet, but maybe they can work together. But the good thing about start the center and that's the logo of the centers, Innovation Center Villanova Esperanza, it's how we start to do things. How we can give the first step to do something. And I can say that we spend three months, four months, just create a relationship. It's before to do any hands-on activity, before build anything, before implement anything. And to do that, we did emails, maybe not. We did meetings, no. We did conversations, not a lot. I give lectures now, they don't care about lectures. I call them, no. One of the man good ways to start to work hands-on activity of that. What I mean if hands-on activity of that? Don't talk a lot about what you want to do. Don't make a lot of projects, but start to work together. People, when I say work is working hands-on activities, like do some things. And in this case, they have a big garden inside where they like to crops, they like to do what they got their food. And at least once a week or once or two weeks, we came to there and stayed together then working. And okay, I have a have-to to do. Get the have-to to do, even if you are from outside. At the same time that we start to work with your body, with your hands, they start to realize that, oh, okay, this guy's doing the same thing than me. So he's not someone that's just coming and talking, talking, talking. Maybe I want to meet him better. And we start to create a relationship. We start to create a same level of talking. And when you do this kind of hands-on activity on them, we create two things that for me, it's the basic of any relationship. That's, sorry, the basic of any solid project, that's the relationship and the empathy. So at the same time that we create a relationship and they start to trust in us, and we start to be not then and not us, but we all together. You also can see empathy. We also can see better what the problems that we can start to work. Before to say anything about how we are going to do the project. So you guys gonna realize that this project is very organic. And it wants to be very organic, very unique, because need to get ownership on the community, need that ownership inside of the village of the people at work. But what should be our second step? So, okay, now that we work together, we create a relationship, we create empathy. We are a good network inside of the community. Should be more emails, meetings, conversation, lectures to do things? No, again, we work as makers, we work as designers. So the second step, hands-on activity of us. So how's the best way to show what we have to show? Is doing things. So we start to do workshops inside the community. How to build staff? How to build electronics? How to build mechanical things? How to build ideas where you can use the post sheets? How could build brainstormies and all that stuff always doing things with the body? And the good thing about that, so that's one of the pictures about we did in the picture of the middle, okay, we need to finalize with a barbecue because they like this kind of party and we like that sort of party. It's always good to keep the energy growing. But the good thing, when we brought some hands-on activities for us, they kind of show that knowledge. One thing they realized that when you talk a lot in space, some space, maybe people don't have the, they are kind of shy or they don't have the right open to show what they can do. But when you give a space, they work together, they can show. And maybe sometimes they don't know that they show. They don't know that they know. So you give that kind of space so that they can work and show that they know. And the second thing is about curiosity. Curiosity is the first step to get engagement, to get a momentum for the next step. So after three months and four months, we work with that, we get four words. The first word is a place to start a space. And that's a good story because I don't know, anyone know here about the word combi? The Volkswagen combi, right? We can see a lot of that Brazil, mainly a poor area. And there's a Volkswagen combi inside of this favela. And we start the maker space inside of this favela in a garage. So every day at 10 a.m., the Volkswagen combi leave the garage, stop outside, park outside, and the maker safe start to happen. I'm gonna show you some videos so you can see better. And every day at 5 p.m., the Volkswagen combi come back and stop inside. So we need to do some flexible maker space where you can park a car and you don't need to park a car and use that space. What that's good because if you came before, if your whole project tried to find, in order to fill this project inside the combi, we know that it's not going to work. So we start to project the work together, the space together if then. So as you guys can see, the whole innovation center is also a prototype. The whole innovation center is also a design process, a maker move, where it's type that you build, you see what's the next step without having a next, well-defined next stage. And also handcraft, community radio, and a crochet. So it was the three workshops, the Yaskads in the workshops that we did before. So we start to do that. Before we do these real workshops, we start to do the reform in the place where as I told you before, there was a garage. And in the first, there was a lot of things inside. After that, we reform a little bit and we reform a little bit more. And one thing that's interesting, always people when you talk about maker space, they say, okay, what should I do inside of them? What should I put inside of my maker space? What the level of technology should I put inside of my maker space? And in my first, in my opinion, I think that just the necessary to people go inside, nothing more than that. Because more like the most important thing in the maker space, the community that you're building around and the community need to have ownership on that. So if you put a lot of tools inside, maybe I can scare people because they don't know how to get in. They are not friendly with that. But if they ask about the machines, they ask about the tools, good. So we buy after they ask. So as I said before, three projects. We start, right? So it doesn't necessary to open. And we did do this necessary to open. So in January, 2014, we have just a blank space. Without nothing, without tools. Some basic tools, it's a table. Some garbage around, but that's not garbage. That's sustainability because we can use that to the projects. Some women doing workshops in the front. They were doing the handcraft workshop as they said before. Someone then already started the radio community project inside. And we start to do workshops, workshops about what they said before. So we did workshops of, great. So we did workshops of websites. Where we brought some projectors. We called some people inside. That's one of the, we did three. That's one of them. So we gave certificates. And we did workshops of selling bags because they ask it. They would like to, to work on that and learn these basic tools. I know that's not high technology, but it's what they want. So they're getting ownership of that. So they are linked, that's Kelly. It's what her first bag that she does in her life. And she started to come more in the community, in the innovation center after she learned how to do this stuff. And we did more workshops. We did workshops of electronics. Where we call the people around the community and we taught them welding, we taught them glue, we taught them how to do lanterns, how to do lights, how to put lanterns in the mihors, how to put lanterns in their bicycles. So all that stuff. But we realized one thing. We just used to, we just opened the workshop, the hour space in the workshop times. So the space don't open every time. Don't open 24 hours per day. We use it to open just the time of the workshops. And we realized to keep it going, to keep it happening. We used to need to open the space 24 hours per day. And then we get, we start to get a staff for that. And this guy, his name is Tim Pei. And he's a maker, like with good hands. And because we start to open 24 hours per day, new projects start to happen. So that's a low cost solar water heater that we have in one of our communities. So new ideas start to come. This Celsius is not very high. So we can see more products here. So the community radio, as we said before, we brought people from outside that could figure out this community radio. So just to tell a little bit about this project. And the most favelas in Brazil, the internet's pretty bad. 3G, it's pretty bad. So that's the one guy. He knows how to hack internet connection from outside of the community. So he puts a kind of antenna and he made a wireless connection, a closed wireless connection in our community. And you start to use this to broadcast radio through the wireless. Because in Brazil, if you wanted to build a radio, you need to get licensed for the government. And that's a huge time that's expensive. You need to have the project. So if you use the 2.4 gigahertz that the wireless connection, we don't care because the government, it's open for that. So you start to use this wireless to do the community radio. And at the other point, we put speakers. So here they are testing some speakers and broadcast from these computers. So projects start to happen. Look at that. And that's one of the products that I like it too. It's a micro lantern. It's pretty easy. It happens inside. You guys are gonna start to see that the project inside is pretty simple because it's what they do. It's the way that they think. It's the way that we think. Here we go. Right? So cheap. I really like this project. So it's cheap. It's sustainable. And it's good because every time that happened a project like that inside the innovation center, you can see in the other days everyone using, everyone building their stuff. Because one children or one dad or one younger came into the space, built and showed to everyone. And they start to spread. And they start to say, oh, I wanna build one. I wanna build one. I wanna build one. And that's good because bring our own technologies, bring people from our own place. But we know that if in this beginning we should do some 3D printing or some laser curd, we are not building our community. Because it's too far from the reality. So we need to step by step. It's low. Take time. But you know that we are going. You know that we are going to the front and keeping the process. So also it's tell you radio. They start to do inside. So they're like boxes and they put all this type behind and put in the car. Oh, sorry. I put one high. So it's stuff behind the speaker. So we put a little design and that's Marcio. He's really good and work if you would and to gather if they pay. And also we feel electronics. And we also to do technology, to do technology, right? And we build like leads to wood using local material. So that's a lead that you can start using a drill. And this sense, you just use anything. And you can do anything if you would. If you would. That's good, right? I like that too. It's easy to build this stuff. It's easy to build the technology and also just stop that. Okay, so we build all that stuff. But we realize that how this project start that we have an initial investment and for all idea as I said before but one of our goals is to build a business model not to work just as an NGO from the raising and all that stuff but really have a business model around this. And one of the things that for us was really impactful in the beginning of this year we got to be selected or we got to come for a new network that has been amazing. That's the GIG, the Global Gathering Innovation. Yeah, so that's the picture. And we stay like two weeks in Berlin. Just think about in our goal, like in our vision how could do this more sustainable and not just think about from the raise and not just think about NGO and all that stuff. And we got really good insight as we got really good connections on that. And today we are close to our business model to our sustainability. We are providing curse of social innovation in Sao Paulo to richer high schools. What's happened? I don't know if you guys heard about it but Brazil is on the counter with the bigger gap between richer people and poor people, like it's huge gap. So some people live across the street. They have a lot of money but they never went to a favela or to a community. But some parents they know that it's important to know this reality. So they want to pay for this and more. They want to pay for how make my son think about design tools, how to think about social innovation, how to think about produce new technology not just for the 10% of the world has happened today but for the other 90% of the world. And we start to provide this kind of courses and all the profit that came for this course for the high school came for the innovation center to keep innovation center growing inside of the community. Our second challenge right now after two years is the high tech part. We got a challenge, we got award in Brazil of a foundation we're not gonna buy a laser cut. It's gonna be our first high tech, high solution inside, high product, high device inside. And we are really curious how people is gonna deal with this machine because we have the ownership of the end of the space. We have the momentum, we have the inspiration for them but we know that's gonna be some challenge, how to model, how to teach, to work with the computers. So that's one of the challenge that we have right now. And I just want the laser cut. And our third challenge is bigger space. So all that stuff that I just show it to, after I can send you the link of our YouTube channel, become a lot. And our space became small. So we rent a space, another space in the beginning of this year in the front of our space. But became small again because we've got no tools, we need materials to build new things. And after we talk to the community about to rent this space, that's the second space, the community came to us through Lia, the association, and said, hey, you know, you guys doing a really good thing inside of the community. So take this space here that ours and you build a new space where we don't need to pay renting anymore. You don't need to rent and you need to give money because why are you gonna pay for renting if you are guys doing things for us? So they find a land for us and we start to do a fundraise for this initial invest to build the new space. That's pretty new, like it happened as the last two, three months. And we have a design at least, we have a vision doing inside of the community, if you workshops using, they use their own ideas, how should be there, how should that? And the good thing is because they come with the idea not to do an innovation center but to do a community space. So how building is gonna be the community space and innovation center is gonna be just a part of that. So we start to be connected and really create things inside of the community and not be something outside, even inside because they really understand how the innovation center can work. My question for you that I always think is, imagine if you came in the beginning, in the beginning of two years with this project, that's not gonna happen, right? Because something from outside, something without vision. So every nearest step is really important more than the result, the process for us to build this innovation center is more important because we are building ownership, we are building knowledge, we are showing what we want to do together. And just to show that I have a last video. So that's the space and we start to work about, there's nothing I know, it's gonna be a long journey again, but we are excited for that. Good, so we know that just beginning, we know that we're gonna start another story. Right now, I hope in the future I can talk again or we can speak and we can have that whole building or at least half of that building or at least nothing, but people are still working and produce their own technologies. So I know that I finalized a little bit early, but thanks so much for coming here. First of all, let me thank you for this very insightful talk, Miguel. If you have any questions, please line up at the microphones here at the hall. Signal Angel, do we have any questions from IRC? Doesn't look like it. No. The front right microphone, please. Hello, thank you for your presentation. I'm wondering, so all the things you did were mainly guided and the kids were not really playing around with stuff creating something completely new by themselves or? I don't know. They do things by themselves. So the product that I show you here, they do for themselves, is organically. We are not giving some guidance. We do guidance through the workshops. We have something inside of the innovation center that we call Build It, as workshop that happened every Saturday, where we build something that we already know. For example, bags in the beginning that I showed the workshop. For example, chairs with pallets. For example, websites, everything like this. Our workshops, with those knowledge, they started a new project. And how much new stuff did they build that is really constructive for the community? Yes. How much in comparison to the guided things? I think it's an even like the same. We have workshops happening at the same time. We have this technology, this product that they are doing. And the good thing about that, someone of the people that built the technology, they also become instructors inside and build these workshops. And that's the sequel that we're keeping there. Okay? Got your answer? Yeah. Great. The front left microphone, please. Yeah, right. Hello. Thank you very much for this project. It's beautiful. I'd like to know if you have contacts with other spaces like the Garua Acro Space or the Redemo Campos in Campinas. No, I don't know this space. Let's talk. No, yeah, we have a good connection because of the idea of your lab. We have talked to Dan, we've also observed, laboratory observed in Rio de Janeiro, but these in Campinas, I don't know. And I would love to have these connections because what do you want to know? I want to be, it's kind of a gate to getting in the community because I really understand that the worst part is to create a relationship. It's create and articulate people inside. And we have that. So now we want partners that know technology. We can figure out all the theater and they can work together with us. Please, please join us at the Anarchist Village at two. We are going to have a talk on hack bases. Great, I'll be there. And we can talk about more about this. Thank you. Again, front left, please. Thank you for a great talk. It was real nice. I have a question which might be a little bit of topic, but I believe that some of us in the West have a bit dim idea of a favela and the people who live there and there are many stereotypes and things like this. Could you please say a few words about how the regular everyday lives of those people in favelas are and what do they get their income from? Things like this. Okay, so the most people that work in favela, they are employees of someone or they don't have a formal job. So they are brick lawyers, they are vigilants, they are people that work in house for some people. They don't do a wage for a month. They do one thing that we call BICO, so one job here, one job there, one job there. So day by day is the day that they take, not turning a lot to the future because we know that we need to buy something now. So I need this money. I know that I need to buy my food tomorrow so I need this money. They are really far from the center of the city where they work and the worst thing because this community that we work is in middle, is between the city of Sao Paulo and Taboão and because the middle is right in between, for example, this Villanova Esperanza, the main street that divides Sao Paulo and Taboão is this street. So for who you complain about problems? It's always a problem that because if you go to the Sao Paulo government, they say, oh, that's not our problem, it's Taboão. If you go to Taboão, that's not our problem, Sao Paulo. And it stays like that and it's really hard that. So this community, it's around two hours, two hours and a half of the center of the city. So they spend around five hours per day, even six hours when rain or have a lot of traffic or before vacations to go and to come back from their jobs. A lot of children around. Yeah, so I think it's one of the reality that we have there. We can say, you ask about average income. Between 500 and 1,000, hey, that's kind of 200 US dollars, between 200 and 400 US dollars. Okay, great. The real left microphone, please. Go ahead. It's really great project. And I was really curious about what you said about the antenna and the radio. So what do they actually send? Did they set up a station for sending things or how did this work? Let me tell you the whole story about that. So that's this guy, his name is Marcio. He's 35 years old and he's quiet, he's shy. But he's pretty, pretty good, like how hack things. And he uses it to work in the northeast of the country in a company that provides internet. But the company failed in the northeast and happened a lot in Brazil. People came from the north to the south to get a better life. And this company that failed, just forgot all the antennas, all that stuff, all the hardware of him, and he keep it. So when he came to the south, he brought that stuff of him and he started to live in this favela. He didn't have internet, anything. And he said, hey, I know how to steal this guy. I know how to hack that. So he got a kind of a wood, what you use as a brush, to do the rest of the antenna. He got some of the hardware that he has and he put it on his house and he gets a radio sign. And outside, he found a wireless connection that was open it. And this wireless connection, he talked to the guy because he found the guy that was responsible for that and the guy opened the wireless connection for him for some month, for month. That's not allowed, but they make a deal between them. So he used it to pay, I think, around 90 reais. That's around 20 US dollars. For this guy to get his internet, to get a connection on that. And this connection, he's open inside of the community. So in the beginning, it was just his family, but after that, he started to sell that for other community members and make business. And that's an interesting thing. When you're working favelas, if you were looking for innovation, looking for two things, illegal things, because of needs, that someone's working on that, right? Or we call that gambiarra. There's an early stage prototype. And he got this connection and we thought, oh, this guy's smart. We have a problem of community radio here. How can we use this wireless connection to help the community radio? Because before, we'd made a lot of research about community radio and we fought to use the wireless, normal wireless, we fought to use electricity wireless, but electricity inside the community is pretty bad because they steal, they steal also the electricity. And we saw some research about to use the wireless connection and get a laptop computer, use a software, the name is Shoutcast. I don't know if you guys heard about it. So you can do a server, so you broadcast in the wireless and anyone can use their whole cell phone to hear the community radio. But when you think about cell phone inside of the community, even cell phone need to be smart phones. And smart phones, people that are rich inside the favela, they have a smart phone. But people that are middle class or poor inside the favela because there's also a gap inside the favela, they don't have that stuff. So to disseminate that stuff, we fought to do using speakers that we call hotspots. So that's one of the prototypes that we did, where we put hotspots inside the favela in each corner. And through Arduino, has very high P, you get the wireless connection and transform in audio. And you can pass for the old community. Great, but even those were not working for whole community because we are just achieve the richer and the middle class. And the poor people that stay around the community, inside the community, never leave their house before. Because there are some people that they never leave their house because someone helped them. And they stay really, really far away. They just has that FM radio, really old. So using the same has very high, it's what's possible to produce a FM sign, getting the wireless connection in a small potence, a small radio potence, that's not illegal for the government. And you can pack it in the whole community. That's one of the stories about the current radio. Okay. The front right microphone, please. Yes, I'm wondering what is the ratio of kids and then maybe talking about adults, about the male and female ratio as well, because I'm not sure how many people actually have to work each day and so they do not have time to go into the maker space or after work they don't have time. In the community or in the innovation center? That's different things, both of them. Okay, the most women that live inside of the community, they are between 20s and 30s, okay? So something like that. Children have a lot of younger children because the community is a little younger. So this community has born, was born I think 30 years ago. It's not old community, old favela. But inside of the innovation center, the average we have more between 12 and 16, right? And they are women, they are men, that's kind of the same. But we have this kind of workshop, focus on adults. So one thing they realize is that this from 12 to 16, they like to come and get new energy and do things but they don't do things for longer. They don't do things like long projects. The adults, it's harder to instigate, to motivate, but when they get motivated, they can do products longer. For example, the community radio is one example. The internet radio is one example. So we don't need to do the workshops for the younger, the workshop focus on the adults because we really need to call them. And for the younger, it's more organic. They just come and start to build the staff. You know, have someone there to teach them the tools and all that stuff. But what's the ratio and the numbers? How many parents, how many adults do you actually engage in comparison to the kids? Between parents and kids. So we can say that we have one parent to around three, four kids. Okay, something like that. Are there any more questions? None. Well, thank you very much, Miguel Chavez. Okay.