 Okay, here we are Live on the metal voice the metal panel discussing Whoa this new album by Ramstein Just came out. I mean these guys just kind of just dropped it out of nowhere You know, it wasn't something completely expected or not Unexpected it was just out of nowhere Ramstein Decides to throw out an album hasn't been too long been teasing us with a lot of cool videos and the metal panel is here Well, I'm back. Tom's back Stefan's back and of course parents back. It's been I never left now You're back. I was just saying before well, I feel very out Canadian dear. Yes Well one American is word for Canadians, so you're okay. That's right. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm talking about our currency I'm just talking with the exchange rate However about ten years ago it was the other way around but it's a member I remember yeah for about a week for about a week All right on the show today guys. I'm glad you all jumped in. You know, it's a big release Ramstein's new album. I mean, I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it right. Is it Z it? Zite Zite Zite Zite means time right. Yes time This is their eighth studio album released on Universal produced by the band and Olson Yvonne Lontini So I'm gonna just get into this right away again It was not something the band was planning on doing but because of all these COVID Restrictions and all the COVID problems they ended up writing an album putting it together and throwing it out there So Tom's our guest. I will let him just first impression Tom first impression. What'd you think of this? New album by Ramstein. I mean it sounds like every other album by Ramstein I mean, that's the thing about this band you either like them or you don't or I guess you're just kind of indifferent like they're they're very Repetitive, you know, I've always you know, they always have one or two songs on every album Like they have great riff great real gimmicky hard riffs I always have that one or two songs that kind of can cross the language barriers Usually they have something to do with penises, you know or or but they do that they have that one gimmicky One or two gimmicky songs that can kind of cross all the boundaries the language barrier It's kind of the same thing. There's a couple really solid like cool Singles that'll probably do well on radio. And otherwise it's just you know It's just good solid industrial metal with good You know good good riffs and you know, I I've never been able to get past the German man I don't speak German. So it's always been weird to me Listening to me. I'm a lyric guy like I'm a word guy. So it's always been I always felt like I needed to learn German to really Fully appreciate them, but I didn't know what zeit means. All right. So Stefan, I know that you're new to this record I I'm actually quite familiar with Ramstein. I've seen them in concert Any was at the Bell Center about ten years ago. Is that possible or was it Montreal was a good market for them. Montreal was one of the markets where they were playing arenas You know when they weren't even playing other places in North America, like they would yeah They would do a North American tour that would be New York and Montreal at one point Yet, you know the city and it's funny because it brings me to what Tom just said about the language barrier with German and You know you Tommy You just gave me this flashback of when I started buying rock records when I was 12 years old I did not speak a word of English back then For me English was a second language But I was listening to Rock American British rock music because I liked it Even though I couldn't understand the words so for me the words that the voice was always another instrument, you know another guitar keyboard whatever and Luckily for me, I Really really wanted to understand what all these singers were singing so I made a point of learning English by translating the lyrics into French and oh, that's what they mean and then you get the bigger picture and then Your English a second language courses kick in and oh, okay. Now I get it and For me Ramstein Ramstein is me at 12. You know, I'm listening this band with Okay, I don't understand a word, but it sounds really really cool Yeah, you're listening purely on like a primal level, you know, yeah, and and this is why I like Ramstein I don't really have to know or care what they sing about and I think we just like hearing their few songs in English. I tell myself, you know, what it means better that way They're really stupid lyrics in English anyway, like they're dumb I'm a record wonder ball. I come on guys, you know So but I'm gonna go I've seen them in concert. I think in concert. They blow my mind completely We lost your video. I don't know. Maybe you hit a button there or something. I think I did A bird attack them or something as you're headbanging there. You kind of headbanging. Oh, here it is. Okay. There it is and So I find this last album to be really more of the same always a mix of various extremely bombastic Heavy metal mixed with a few melodies here and there that There that makes it very appealing The pleasant riff like that sounds like the kind of music I like maybe cover after songs I mean, I like your singer because he's powerful. He's colorful But sometimes a shield of producers should maybe bring him just to notch down in a mix and bring up the other Instruments a bit more. That's my only criticism. And the only thing that struck me while listening to it is the fact that this is a Oh, okay. We're in a pandemic. We can't do anything about it. So let's put together a record So they did not try anything new. They just went with what worked what they knew and probably what they could do from home without the Inspiration of being on tour at the same time as developing new songs I think this is a very honest effort on the part of Ramstein But I do not think it's gonna break new grounds in their discography What do you think? Yeah, well, I mean, I agree for what a lot of the guys said, but I'll just you know bounce off of what Stefan just said You know, I don't think they're trying to break any new ground. I don't think their fans want them to break any new ground I don't think they've ever tried to break new ground Yeah, I mean in this kind of music, they're the ACDC of that kind of music they it's no It's the same six days you have angry German industrial there you go Yeah, it's a niche of a niche of a niche so but but think about it They've been around between 25 and 30 years now the same six guys, which is incredible when you think about it No disagreements, you know, they they kind of take breaks when they need to take breaks They come back when you need to come back, you know, you know, it's very German. It's very precise. It's very organized you know, if you liked all of Rammstein's previous records like Tom said you're gonna like this record and If you didn't like them and we're hoping to discover them by them doing something fresh and new It's not gonna happen. It's probably never gonna happen. This this is what they are There's no peeling the onion here folks like this is is what they are, you know And every album is gonna have about one-third of just crunchy industrial kind of stuff Maybe a third kind of quirky songs about penises and boobs and that kind of stuff AKA the singles Yeah, there you go And then you know another third where there'll be some interesting orchestration and some you know Some pieces that make you say man So somebody in the band might be classically trained and or something so, you know They are what they are, but I think they do what they do really really well and and this record is no different and You know, it's funny I was thinking about the language thing too because I'm a person that's so into music that for sure the music Hooks me but I like to dive into the lyrics of the bands that I'm listening to and I can't really do that here But I will say they make me care enough that I looked up all the song titles on Google translate and I wanted to see what they were in English and if there's a lyric or a chorus I will bother to look it up and see what they're saying, you know And it's zig-zag. I'll find out they're talking about plastic surgery, but in a bit of other things They're talking about the passage of time and something a little bit more You know, it wouldn't it be it wouldn't it be the cosmic joke of the universe is like every album They're making these like deep moves forward, but it's all lyrically. So nobody just nobody understands it People I've heard over the years I've actually picked up the German language because Similar to what Stefan saying because they want to know right And they're so intrigued by it by the German language and metal that they go, you know I'm gonna learn German because rap scene is my favorite band and they sing in German. So But let me say this these guys know how to Create an earworm and get it to stick there man. They know how to do that I mean if I go all the way back to their second record and do hushed I used to play that with my given my son a bath and then my son days later It'd be like do He was like a little kid, you know and even now with zig-zag, you know because I knew we were doing the show I've listened to it a couple times this morning and fuck me if I'm not just walking around zig-zag zig-zag as I'm cleaning the way why do I want plastic surgery now? I don't zigzag and nip tuck and everything but so these guys I mean they can create an earworm and that not everybody can do that not everyone and can kind of just come up You know, it's called a hook kids and not everyone can come up with hooks and they got hooks in there. So More I'm gonna ask everybody this are they more of a music Visual band where they more of a I'm gonna put this You know the CD on or this mp3 on and listen to it Are they more of an audio band or more of a visual like I get a kick out of watching their videos or seeing the live Performance it really brings another level to it all I think that depends you ask I mean, I think overall the visual probably adds to it. I've seen them live a bunch of times Honestly, I didn't like them at all until I thought they were just kind of third-rate cam FTM until I saw them live And then I kind of got it and I almost got my face burned off, which is a story for later But um, you know that the visual you know the videos it's only been such a big part of what they do I think there's people who just love the band and put on the records and just rock out in the car You know what I mean, but I I think There the visual would always enhance it musically, but they're definitely people I know who live and die by that band and just put on the record I'll put there I'll put their CD on in the car, but it just doesn't have that same impact Yeah, I'm breathing a fire and there's you know dirt all yeah giant prosthetic penises and flames and exactly Just not the same right I Find that the whole video thing Like music videos It doesn't do me a thing I try to watch the Ramstein stuff and No, but I totally agree with Tom here that On a good stage with a massive crowd. That's where they come around And that's where they go. Oh You get it, you know and before they started Filling the the bell center in Montreal You may recall that they played over a hundred thousand people at the festival did it Quebec? And they all had their fist in the air and that's when I said Who is this man? Hello And when you see them live and you're with an equal number of die-hard singing along every German lyric, they don't even understand says. Oh Okay, this is what it's about and I agree. This is a band that can best be appreciated live Does any parent does any language work? Does metal work with you know Italian does metal work with English of course it does It's obvious, but does it it works with German? It definitely does, but can it work with any language? Anybody anybody who owned the Gorky Park cassette in the 80s will say in the 90s We'll say that it kind of worked in Russian Look a hook a hook is a hook. Yeah, and an or if there's a riff and But some languages like Germans are very brutal language. They're very hard. I'll let you know Yeah, a lot of our favorite bands You know from let's say from Finland or Scandinavia and other places have sometimes done a record in English and thrown like night Wish would throw a song in finish on at the end of the record We've been talking about TNT this week because a couple of their records hit anniversaries And I think TNT's first record before Knights of the New Thunder There was if it wasn't all sung in Norwegian. It was partially sung in Norwegian So there's you know people do it so it can work. I want to get back to the People people can do it and it can work, but it doesn't always work No, I'm not on the not on a range in scale not look Tip of the cap to these guys because you know most of the world doesn't speak the language that they're singing in the point And they can draw a hundred and thirty thousand at an outdoor festival in Quebec And they can sell up Madison Square Garden and the Bell Center in Montreal And that's over ten years ago and now guys they're a stadium at they're going You know this tour that's been canceled for two years, but it's gonna happen this year. It's a stadium tour It's crazy. I mean nobody understands a word But it's and it's back to the visual aspect Jimmy because let's face it We grew up on kiss the four of us on here grew up on kiss and kiss is another exact and I've read in interviews They hate the comparison to kiss, but I'm gonna do it because Rammstein's first album did nothing and then they toured and even when they were playing smaller places They did a big show for small places and they got a reputation going based on their live show And then by the time their second record came around they got a lot more attention of their second record Which was a better record but also people were willing to listen and pay attention because of the live Credibility that they had and that just mushroomed from there to the point where they're playing stadiums kiss same thing We've all heard the stories right the first three studio records up until a live came out Didn't really do what they've done now But once a live came out and everyone paid attention to the band Either saw them or listened to a live then all of a sudden kisses the best things this life's read I'll even do it I'll come compare Rammstein to triumph because we talk about triumph a lot around here Live credit live credibility, you know triumph put on a larger-than-life show and because of that in their heyday Each album did better than the one before because even if you're only kind of into them If you went to see them by the time you came out of that show You weren't on the fence anymore. You were into them and you were probably gonna buy the next record So I think Rammstein what they've really done Is that they've you know taken their life? I would even I would say that their videos are as just as important as their live shows Because every video that they do is like a work of art You know, it just works so well with the music even do Haas. I mean, you know, they're very cinematic. They're very Right, that's what I'm trying to say. They know how to really those videos aren't cheap either Those are big production videos. It's not the it's not the cartoon lyric video that we see a lot of bands doing Oh, yeah, it's not shot on an iPhone. You know what I mean? It's So so songs offer this album Tom like what songs kind of just said, you know, these are the tracks. I really dig this one Remember, I'm gonna pull it up right here. I got it. I got it right here. I liked Zick Zack, which obviously is a single. I liked angst. I liked dick titan. I just wanted to say that title But I actually did it. That's a really great That'll be the second. Guess what it translates into dick tits Fat tits Big tits That'll be the that's the next single ACVC did of big balls or she's got balls there. They did of this. Yeah, well, you've got big tits They found what you like which songs they do that stuck out for you. Yeah, I I Didn't memorize the song names because I listen when I drive or wouldn't I have my head? So look at your phone and pretend you did like I just did Yeah, well, I can't cuz I'm talking in my phone. Oh to Shay the Look just a big kids Yeah, the opening track. I remember I didn't like it. I had to move forward Look, don't ask me for names of tracks. I know it was something German, but okay The It's an album I will listen to again to answer your question Which is you're getting at because I want to discover it Okay on the first, you know me, you know my taste first listen on or off if it's off I'll never put it on again. This one said to me. Huh, okay. I will listen to it Longer deeper and I will analyze it But my impressions are favorable enough that if they come to Montreal I will certainly buy tickets this time. I think it's last time but If they come back Although it's 120 bucks to stand in a field, but you will get your face burned off. So I Bear what's that go for you? Which tracks were there was a song easy enough to translate because it's called okay So it's the same in English and the same in German that I thought there were some face melting riffs in there And if you listen to the song, okay? Okay, they're not prog but I hear some heavy John Petrucci dream theater No, no, no, no, no, like I kind of heard that it's almost like if you took You know John Petrucci and Dimebag Darrell and put them on an industrial record This is what it would sound like. So I have I like the song. Okay, and The song after that I thought had a pretty cool kind of typo negative vibe mind trinan, which is I think Mike's ears So I like that, you know, I have to say as I listen to this And I probably look because we were reviewing it I probably listen to it closer than I listen to a lot of Rammstein records I mean, I like I said, I just talked about Pantera typo negative dream theater Like even some kind of rage sounding riffs Actually in the new single they put out today angst that opening riff that it's a Pantera groove like all the way, you know It's a total Pantera groove. So I would say this and tell me if I'm wrong I would say the first three two, I'd say the first three songs. I wasn't too impressed But I find the rest of the album really picks up Maybe the sequence wasn't done right like they should have put Zick Zack at the beginning and okay after that, but they were just too slow They're just too proddy those first three tracks and I don't know they just didn't do anything for me I thought the first one was a safe opening track just because it's very them It's just it was very ministry there. I go name-dropping again, but very industrial, you know kind of thing I thought having Zeit the title track as the second song Which is a very laid-back or kestrel track at least first half of it I don't know if I would have sequenced it second on the record. I still say with a record You want a good heavy one-two punch? Then you can kind of flow it with something a little bit different So I thought going kind of industrial and then Or kestrel was kind of a weird mix But like I said, and I didn't mention Zick Zack because it's like it's the easy one But I really like I said, I think that's it in your worm. It's a really good song, you know, it's catchy What would you guys what would you've liked to see Tom that you didn't hear on this album? No, I don't even know to answer that question. Like I said, it sounds like every other Romstein album Like to see something out of the box like I don't know, you know, I don't know I mean, I don't know that that would make me like it anymore or less I mean, it's kind of like, you know, it's a trusted brand you get it You know what you're getting the people that like them like what they do. They're not really looking for anything else You know, they delivered what you'd expect them to deliver it sounds like a Romstein record There's some really heavy really heavy good riff, you know, I don't know. I don't really even have an answer for that What would you have liked to see on this album that wasn't there? I think I alluded it when I reviewed it. The singer's voice is It's so high up in the mix that It distracts me from Ramstein's best elements, which for me is their Prague rock Element, you know Yeah, when they go a bit beyond the four four, you know, and and I find that No disrespect for that voice, which is extremely rare in heavy metal that you have some power without growling and Yet be able to roll in articulation without growling or singing really just talking Baritone is like a baritone almost. Yeah. Yeah I'd say very deep, you know bum way too bomb-bastic to for me anyway and I would have preferred a bit more attention, you know The music a bit higher up in the mix and that for me would reconcile me with The only element of Ramstein that here it is me. What about you, Perrin? What would you have liked to see? I'm in camp Tom. I don't want anything different I grew up listening to Rush and I grew up listening to AC DC I wanted every Rush record to be a little different and that's what was cool about them to me and I didn't want AC DC to be any different and that was cool about them for me So for me that Ramstein different kind of music, but it's in that camp. You kind of you know, look, they've been out almost 30 years It's only their eighth or ninth record. So they don't put out a record all that often. So when they do I Don't want them to you know do a duet with floor Johnson or I don't want them to do I don't want anything different. I just want them to do what they do and do it really well And that's what they do, you know, and I'm not saying I'm not a huge fan, right? I'm a fan in passing. They're not one of my favorite bands. They're not a band where Jimmy says we got to review the record I'm like, oh man, or they don't want to do this record. No, like I was I was cool to review this record. It's a good record It's solid record. I'm not like a huge you drumsteam band But if I was they gave me what I wanted and when I'm in the mood for this kind of music It's top shelf. It's they're the best of what they do Tom would this work as an all English album No, let's destroy the band Like look somebody mentioned this before and it's such a good point is yeah, you know, they're uh, they're English lyrics We're so ridiculous. You know what I mean? It's so I mean the stuff they've done in English was so kind of bad and cliched But and again it works because they're German so their their English is very bare bones But I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean it I think they're a little They're so left-field with their lyrics and kind of said tongue-in-cheek that the German kind of works or the kind of German with a smattering of bad English that they use, you know, I think yeah, again, I think it is what it is man I think English would Again, their last couple stabs at English were not Lord Byron, you know Stefan would you have like to hear at least one track all in English or in French? You know, no, no Bombs it they can't they can't write lyrics that You know that can surpass their music. That's the polite way of doing of saying it In other words, if you can't get yourself a lyricist to write intelligently Intelligent English lyrics stick to German. Yeah We don't people don't know how dumb the shit you're saying is unless parent would you like at least one single like they've done it before I mean, they've they've done that, you know, they've done choruses, you know, but I like that better I like on when in the odd time they'll slip a do a verse in English or a chorus in English Yeah, but but not a not a full song. Look, I mean, there's lots of bands when loudness first came to North America They they would write in Japanese and then they would trans he would and then they would translate to English and Minoru would sing Phonetically and let's just say like the first, you know The first loudness albums that came to the shore Lyrically, they were not the most like insightful kind of thing out there Like, you know, I mean let it go was a nice song But it was obvious that they had written it in Japanese and maybe it was more poignant in Japanese than when you kind of translated That that when when bands who are second language singing, you know in English people tend to be a little more Gentle with them fans tend to be a little bit like the Scorpions, right? I mean, yeah, it's obvious They don't it's not their first language. They're not great in English But they're a little more gentle because they know that it's not their first language So that's singing in German fits this industrial music, right? German is kind of a sound harsh sounding And this is like a factory Thank you. That would work with the Scorpions like Klaus main couldn't couldn't have sang all their records in German No, I don't think it would have worked, you know for the industrial again, you know, even in It's more of a perk, you know in the kind of industrial metal thing It's the lyrics are kind of more percussive anyway. I mean even a ministry a minute. Look, I love how I love his lyrics I mean, they're super fucking great. But again, it's just it's almost a more percussive thing anyway You know where I don't think it really takes away that much that it's not in English Well, well, I mean, you know, okay, so someone saying Queen saying German language is beautiful I'm not saying German is in a beautiful thing. It just phonetically and I like Tom's point percussion if phonetically metal is kind of harsh and There are some harsh elements in the language that seem to connect together very well and that's what makes it so great Yeah, so it Wouldn't work in Italian as much, you know Yeah, I said harsh and I didn't mean it that way, right? It's a very blunt language. It's very good You know, there's a lot of really high emphasis. I mean, it's not it's not a love language, you know what I mean It's you know, but even syllables, right? Like so zigzag. Yeah, it's zigzag in English So they were saying zigzag zigzag it would sound kind of silly It's that at the end of the word that kinds of gives it a little bit of a punch We're zigzag zigzag. This wouldn't sound so good. Yeah, it's kind of like opera in Italian It just works so much better because it's a romantic language, right? It there's just more vowels in in the words, right? So that's all we're trying to say Yes, English in opera. It doesn't work as well, right? It could work, but it just doesn't really work Look, look at us. We're cunning linguists in the in the words of Ian Gillan. We're we're cunning linguists here Well, I'll tell you Greek has more of that harshness in yeah, but it still wouldn't work as well as German You know That's pretty much it. So around the table out of ten Tom. I Mean nine. Don't you guys want don't you guys want to hear my story about how? Oh, yeah, give us your story fucking killed me like I come on a show to talk about Romstein And I didn't get to tell the story about those almost fucking killed me They have a fire zone. Everyone gets burned at a Romstein concert. No, I know no, this is beat this no, so So this was when I think it was our first big tour in the US They're on the Pledge of Allegiance tour with slipknot and system of a down and so Corey Taylor stayed at my house So they played in LA like in San Bernardino and then the next show is in Vegas So Corey Taylor came and stayed at my house. We hung out and then we drove to Vegas for the next show Well, we get to first off Corey decides he wanted to dress like Raul Duke for the day So we spent our afternoon running around Vegas looking for a co-poco shirts the visor and the cigarette holder the whole The whole deal we finally found it, but we get to the show. So all around the stage when Romstein is on stage They have signs that say no one on stage during Romstein. This means you fuck off No, really, this means you and Corey being Corey fucking Taylor goes come on biggie We're going on stage and I just point to the sign like in a family guy cartoon He goes come on so am I alright so we walk we're staying on the side of the stage watching the show Which again was part of when I discovered The band like seeing they're watching them from the side of the stage going holy shit. This is like a Spectacle I got it. That was the moment when I got it But then literally two seconds later a flametop went off 50 feet in the air This far in front of it like literally my eyebrows were singed off half my beard Like I literally if I would have been like fucking two inches forward. I would be dead I would not be in good shape right now, but yeah, so yeah, they have a fire zone like in the crowd I'm so imagine being in that fire zone on stage. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is not I was in the crowd So make sure to stay behind the cones. That's all my god. I've never been no Just don't go on fucking stage even if Corey Taylor says you have to say no, no Corey I'm staying here. That's what I should have said in retrospect, but I did not I said, okay, let's go But There you go. Did you get the band after I? Yeah, I mean, I'm not all the guys. They're all kind of wandering around. I mean this till houses English Does he speak well English? I don't remember this like 25 years ago. It was a little English I mean, it was a little English to you I mean, I remember we kind of sort of carried on a conversation, you know, honestly to be totally honest I wasn't that interested in them or talking to them as cool I met him and we were on backstage and hanging out But it was like, you know, I wasn't again, I was if I met him now, I'd be a lot more fascinated I just didn't give a shit I mean, this was like in the 2000s like no one gave a shit about Romstein They were like fourth on a bill of like five band, you know, they were I think they were the mid-band I think it was slipknot system of a down Romstein and I don't remember who the fuck. Oh, I think they're wonder. No I don't remember who though there was one or two openers, but they were like in the middle of the bill They weren't big like that. This was when I think the first record was just out Maybe the second one with do host was just ever they weren't big like and that's the other crazy thing about them as their trajectory in their career I mean, they've been around for what like 30 years and it's just crazy They went from like that to like opening for people like and then like their next tour They're kind of touring Doritos and then they're touring fucking stadiums now But it's crazy like they come here every like eight years and they're just 20 times bigger. It's crazy It's amazing. Yeah, what would you rate this out of 10? I know it's still early. Oh I'll give him a solid eight They deliver What's expected of them now you asked me to review this album at 11 o'clock this morning I had a chance to listen to it twice So very unfair for me to give a permanent rating to an album I had a time to get used to but I did have I do know Ramstein's catalog I had not listened to the new album yet But it is it did not It did not turn me off it is Consistent of what I know and what I like of Ramstein So for now it's an eight By the way Patrick Pat that's okay, so it's okay And you know what you're allowed to change it later on Pat Frost as Ramstein played in Montreal at the medley on their second album So that's crazy. That wasn't big. Yeah, that's pretty cool. What do you think out of 10? Yeah, I gave it an eight as well. So I mean, I'm a bit more familiar with the catalog So I think I think it's actually At first few listens, I think it's in the top half of their catalog I think it's a really good record I mean, you know what for a band that's so many years into it to still put out kind of interesting stuff funny stuff A pretty diverse record in terms of what they do like I said, and that consisted too, you know Yeah, so it's it's it's everything I would want from a Ramstein record And you know, it's not that I listen to it these two times to review it and I'm not gonna I will listen to it I will when I'm in the mood for this kind of music It will be on in my car thinking 20 years from now You're gonna be saying it's just as good as mooter, you know, like it's it's it's holding its own there No, no, I mean music isn't like that anymore. It's so hard to make anything now That people will still be listening to in 20 years, you know, I mean, you know what? They said the same thing the 2000s about the corn records and now my 15-year-old kid listens to corn and deaf tones and incubus and so it's weird I think about that all the time like where will this music be shit 25 years ago that I thought would never have Stood the test of time like now are considered class weird though. It really is like to think about look do hush Just they're transcending song and they get played at hockey games and and every you know Look, look, you know, I go to a hockey game here in Montreal, and they always play Refuse resist, you know, and that's kind of transcendent. Oh, you never know. Maybe 25 years now will be dick-tittin Yeah, so, you know, like I said, I I think On the dick-tack commercial there's a couple of earworms on the record. I don't think there's a do hushed on this record I don't know if there's an angle on this record But there's a lot of America's and there's a lot of son is and there's it's it's good America's always been like one of my favorite songs Tom. What do you think out of ten? Is this are we gonna be listening to this album in 20? Live in 20 years from now, but Listen, I'm gonna grade this on a relative scale like for a romstein record. I mean 810 I mean like it's probably not something I'm gonna listen to again It's probably not something that's going to make its way into my musical zeitgeist and and profoundly impact me It was a cool record. It was it was fun to listen to as a romstein record compared to the catalog I'd say a good solid eight as like something that is really gonna influence my universe Obviously, it's it's a again. It's a relative scale for me, you know, I think for you know compared to their catalog You know like Perrin was saying I mean they've been around so long and put out records And I mean all the other bands this far into their career their age like every record It's kind of a disappointment like it and you know for them like when I heard them Like hot they sound fucking great the record sounds great the wrist, you know, it's fine The wrist keeps staying interesting. If not get more interesting. I think it's a really solid effort. I think I'm probably gonna be the lowest rater here, which is usually not the case. I think if you remove the first two tracks It would be a solid eight maybe eight and a half But because you hate those first two tracks, you know what to me It's kind of like I will probably never listen to those songs ever again Like I don't I don't see myself saying, you know what I'm gonna put on You know Schwartz God, I want to hear our major Tristan right now I think gift dig and zigzag and okay and mine trun and inks and Dickey and Logan and Yeah, the last When you speak the name of dick titan you do it with respect. I think those tracks are great I don't I put it seven point eight around there Yeah, but the fact that none of us can give us anything lower than that is pretty good Seven point that's like going on on the price is right and bidding a dollar 7.8 Showdown here on the metal voice they all said eight so I'm gonna say 7.8. I just think I don't know I've been listening to it. I Guess all day and I found the more times I listened to it the less I liked it But my tomorrow might be like a six Maybe I should stop listening to it in case I might lower my grades Just freeze time if you go see them in August and Stand in the fire zone Then it might be a night It'll be a ten on ten and by the way I can see a lot of these songs making it to the live show like when I listen to these songs I'm like, ah, there's gonna be a big fire blast there and there and all this is where you know It's like it's almost like you can see the songs Translating to the live environment in your mind when there'll be a fire blast and when the lights will come down I like what I like what Tom said, you know, like the songs Or the constructions are very percussive in a sense, right because they hit you and that's kind of like what you're saying They they mark those their marks for explosions different elements, but every song they have is It's a good album in the sense that the riffs are fresh There are a lot of fresh riffs there and after all these years having fresh riffs is not easy But they always do this they have a little keyboard melody always going on in every little song or most songs That's sort of that's the trigger that helps you remember those songs and make them a little different And maybe the riffs are recycled, but they only put out a record at every eight or nine years for the most part You don't even notice. Yes exactly. So by the time by the time eight years has gone by you're happy to hear it again You don't remember you heard it in the first place. Yeah, or on or on six five finger death punch records the year before. Yeah Guys It's been a pleasure Thanks, and I'm always happy to see you You know, that's it pick it up was released yesterday Zyte the 8th album of what I'm shitting just don't listen to the first two songs cuz he fucking hate Jimmy said so Thank you guys. Thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure. Always a pleasure, man Thank you