 Hello, hello. My name is Kristi Estrovitz with the San Francisco Public Library here in San Francisco, California on the Roma-Tush land, on the unceded land of the Roma-Tush Aloni peoples. Wherever you're joining us from, we're glad you're with us for this very special Nature Boost with Kitty O'Mara and Louise Herrera. Nature Boost is a proud partnership with our library and our local national parks partners. That includes the Presidio Trust, the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy, and the National Park Service. For the past five years, we've been teaming up to bring nature experiences to our community. This is look like, oh, shuttles, free field trips from our branches to our local national parks with guided hikes by rangers, ranger talks, insider libraries, story walks in the parks, and an ongoing series honoring the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Alcatraz and much more. With the onset of the pandemic, we had to do things a little differently, so we partnered up for an original programming virtual series to bring a weekly Nature Boost as part of our summer learning program. This was so well received that we decided to turn this into a monthly series bringing a live discussion or a virtual experience to a local national park and more to your screen. These programs like today are available on our YouTube channel anytime for your viewing. With that, I want to introduce our very special guest. Louise Herrera is our beloved and newly retired San Francisco Public Library City Librarian. He was at the helm at our agency when we began this partnership with our parks family. He currently serves as a board trustee with the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy SF MoMA and is a leader with the American Library Association with the Future of Libraries Committee. He's all he was also appointed by President Obama to serve on the National Library Museum Board in 2012. As well the same year, he was honored by Library Journal's Librarian of the Year. He's going to be in conversation with Kitty O'Meara. She is the author made famous with her poem, and the people stayed home, which brought comfort to our screens, has been turned into, has been translated into dozens of languages, turned into a musical, is a viral hit. He's going to be joining us from her home at the Full Moon Cottage near Madison, Wisconsin. She's a former teacher, a chaplain, a spiritual director. She has her master's in servant leadership, and we are so thrilled that she is bringing her new book to us today. I want to share a quote, it's already receiving much praise. And this is from Oh, the Oprah Magazine. Kitty O'Meara is the poet laureate of the pandemic. The poem has become shorthand for silver linings perspective during the coronavirus outbreak, and the hope that something good can come out of this collective state of together and apart. Before I turn this over, I want to just acknowledge our partners that are with us today to make this possible, and invite you to our next Nature Boost, which is next week with Ranger Fatima. She's going to be sharing Aloni Games, the game of staves, with permission from her peer from the Aloni tribe. So I hope that you'll tune in for this. With that, it is my pleasure to turn it over to Louise and Kitty for their conversation. Thank you very much, Kristie. I'm delighted to be joining you, and Kitty, it's a pleasure to meet you. I want to start by letting you know we're telling you that I really, really enjoyed the book and the people stay home. You know, it started as a poem. Thank you very much. It started as a poem, and poems really tell a story, and they evolve from sort of personal experiences and reflecting a life. So can you tell us about how the story began, and what's behind the poem? Yes, I think I can share some of that with you, Louise. It's a lot of the 65 years of my life that are in this little poem. A lot of the things I believe and have prayed for in my life and in the world, and they kind of were swirling around as my husband and I went into quarantine or lockdown in early March, the end of February, right around then. We are both lovers of the earth, and we had been noticing articles that were saying that even a few weeks in quarantine in Europe and other places in the world where the pandemic had already put people into quarantine and lockdown. The earth was cleaning up and clearing up. The sky was clearing. The air quality was improving. That hurtened me, and I thought as we went into quarantine with the panic, the fear, the anxiety, the worries that brought with it, we could look to these types of things and use the time to consider how when it was over, we could heal the earth more fully. I have said that I didn't think that quarantine was going to reverse climate change, but I thought that these visible signs would inspire us. I also thought that the time in quarantine could be used to do things I've dedicated a lot of my life to, which is art and learning and healing, the continual healing that humans do and that I as a chaplain and spiritual director have helped people do. So all of that was kind of swirling around and I sat down one afternoon and just wrote it. It wasn't a lot of intentional premeditated and edited writing. It was just kind of all of that coming out the way it chose to come out. And I posted it on Facebook and that night a friend of mine in Albuquerque said, oh, I like this. Can I repost it? And I say, yeah, sure. And that was that. It was no big deal. And then it became a big deal within a few days. It's amazing, isn't it? How it just goes viral and something that's powerful and moving can really make a difference. And I love what you say about the power of healing and learning and all these concepts sort of come together in this moment of crisis, right? Right. Go ahead. No, I agree. They do. A lot of things become relevant that perhaps we hadn't had the time to make them before. And you receive so much global attention. It's amazing. In fact, Deepak Chopra was just full of praise and I want to offer a quote. She says that you offer, quote, wisdom that can help during the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond. She is challenging us to grow, to look inside, to listen deeply and to allow ourselves to think differently and ultimately to create new ways of living on the planet. Isn't it wonderful? What was it like to hear that kind of praise? Well, his was among the first and it was, I have to be honest and say initially it was overwhelming. My husband and I were sitting in our living room and he noticed that one of his former students had reposted it and we couldn't figure out how, what had happened. And within hours a friend was texting me that Deepak Chopra had made a video of the poem. So it all sort of cascaded at that point. And I think it was only in retrospect that I appreciated his insight into what I hoped my little words could do. And I have to be honest and say when I sat them down, I wasn't really sending them out into the world. I was just sharing them with a closed group of friends on Facebook so that they did go global and viral and touch people has been equally touching and humbling to me. Yeah, you're absolutely right, though, because it resonated with the human heart and it touched people. So, I mean, even though it's personal, there's that universality that really really went far and beyond, which is so exciting. Yeah, and I think one of the reasons is because the language is very simple. And I think that was one of the reasons that people around the world took it in and translated it into their own languages. I also think people are yearning for a lot of the things that the poem addresses. And, you know, it was sort of unconsciously I wrote it and unconsciously it was received and resonating. And so then within a few days, I restarted a blog that I had stopped a few years ago, and that was the first post that I restarted it with, and began to get these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments. And one of them was from an editor at Traw Publishing, and she wanted to inquire whether I'd be interested in a children's book and I thought that was perfect having been a teacher and written things for children. So that's how the relationship started and the book is the co-creation of all those wonderful people and my own input. That's beautiful. So it went from that poem and all of a sudden there's that transition into the written word, the book, right? Yeah. Oh, that's wonderful. So would you indulge us in reading the book? Oh, I'd be happy. I'd be happy too. I'd love to show the cover because I think it's beautiful and I'm very proud of it. And I also want to, before we get too far, I want to say that there's a wonderful website. And the PeopleStayedHomeBook.com. And it's got a lot of information and a wonderful teacher's guide and I want to let people know that that's available. Great. Yeah. So I'd like to read it and share it with you. And the PeopleStayedHome. I just want to go back to the end pages. I was talking yesterday with your editor and I I love the end pages because there's a picture on each page that matches one on the other and they're not in the same places. So it's really fun, I think, for children, but I got to say I had a lot of fun too. Just matching them up. So it's sort of an activity you can do before and after reading the book that I think extends it, makes it fun. Yes. The dedication is to my husband Philip and I can't say enough good things about him. I love him to bits and pieces and he makes everything possible for me. So that's to whom the book is dedicated. And the PeopleStayedHome by Kitty O'Mara. It's illustrated by Stefano Di Cristofaro and Paul Pereira. And the PeopleStayedHome and they listened and read books and rested and exercised and made art and played games and learned new ways of being and were still and they listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced, some met their shadows and the people began to think differently and the people healed. In the absence of people living in ignorant, dangerous and heartless ways, the earth began to heal and when the danger passed and the people joined together again, they grieved their losses, made new choices and dream new images and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully. As they had been healed. That was lovely, Kitty. I love the pacing and the movement. It has this meditative quality about it. Now, this is your first printed book, correct? Yes. The friend in Albuquerque that I had mentioned earlier had published two of my children's books. They were sort of middle grade novels, just as e-books. And after a few years of very modest sales, we decided to just take them down and so we did. So what was it like to sort of feel and get your hands on your first book? That must have been exhilarating. It was wonderful. It was very exciting. Meeting with the people at Tra was a gift from the get-go. The co-creation of give and take among us was wonderful. It was life giving. And really I can only call it blessing because I did nothing to deserve this. And it has occupied all the months that we've been in lockdown with just delight and fun and adventure. And it's just been a complete gift. So you just piqued my curiosity. So the poem itself took how long to write? 20 minutes? Maybe? Not like the poems I post on my blog. Wow. And then the book itself from the concept to the actual time you got your hands on it was not too long, right? No. Well, it started in April pretty quickly. And I think I got a copy of my own maybe two weeks ago. So it was beautiful. Beautiful book. And first of all, the illustrations, they really complement the poem, right? And so tell us about your team, your illustrative team. Well, so I worked with Andrea Burnett on promotion. Andrea Gollin was the editor and a real helpmate to me. Stefano de Cristofaro and Jeff Quintana did the, Jeff I think would be called the art director and Stefano did the illustrations. And later a gentleman, Paul Pareta, also assisted with the illustrations. Ilona Oppenheimer is the owner of Traw Publishing, the manager, the publisher. I can't say enough good things about her and every single one of the people I mentioned. They were always upbeat. There was no, there was no ego. It was all sort of, yeah, let's create this and give and take and talk about how I see it, how they see it. And I think we agreed on a lot of things. I wanted just a rampant inclusivity. I wanted everyone that I could think of on earth to be represented and every age group and I wanted cats and dogs and plants and, you know, it was everything I hoped for. And I love, love, love, love this book. I love the illustrations. Well, it's a good collaboration is very evident. And the other thing that struck me was that it has this multinational multiculturalism embedded in there. And so, you know, we love that. And it definitely transcends any one community. So talk a little bit about that. You know, I know it's had that global connection. Yes. Well, yeah. So early on I was hearing from people. There were a lot of people from South America. And I think the rhythm perhaps appealed to them. I don't know. I barely speak Spanish. But there was something about the rhythm of this or the imagery that very much appealed to speakers of Spanish. But then I began to hear from a lot of Asian, a gentleman who was most interested in getting it translated into several African languages. Eastern European. You know, French and in a lot of Western Europe. And again, like I said, I think, I think we all knew things weren't going the way they could on our planet. Our gifts weren't being called forth to the degree they could be. Climate change could have been mitigated and could still be somewhat if we would pay attention to it. And I think the virus itself was a did not need to occur and certainly didn't need to spread. And I think we were feeling as a globe, a great frustration with with what inaction had brought. And I think we were also looking for hope. And my belief is not Polly Anna, although I always defend Polly Anna because she was sassy and spunky too. But but that, of course, we can do better. We can we can join our gifts and we can do better. We can do different. And and I think that's what I strongly want to advocate. And I think that's what spoke to a lot of people because they agree. They agree with me. I agree, Katie, and I speak Spanish and to me, it had that inclusivity, and it had a certain rhythm. And that was beautiful. And I know you've had people get in touch with you because they want to set music to it, whether it's jazz or talk about that. Well, yeah, a lot of composers, choral composers contacted me. Roger Ames created a piece, the gay men's choir, the Twin Cities gay men's choir created a choral piece. John Krigliano wanted to write a in aria for Renee Fleming. And, but a country Western singer from England created a beautiful piece. A lot of people wanted to create videos their own to go with the piece, and they did. It's all over my my website. I have a few posts that I tried to just dedicate to the people who shared with me. I know a lot of people didn't and because it's all over. You can find them on YouTube and Internet. And that's fine with me. That's beautiful. I will say that a kind of an interesting thing happened speaking again of Spanish speakers. There is a group called the Gabriel Eligria. I have to get all the words right. Gabriel Eligria, Afro Peruvian sextet. And they are a jazz group. They have been together for 15 years and gotten awards and recognition for their jazz. And Gabriel had tried to reach me and we have not great phone service, so I never got the message. And it came about two months later, one day I was out in the garden and I heard this plunk and all kinds of messages arrived that had been sent in the past couple months. And so I contacted him and he said, oh my gosh, we were just about to forget all about this. And they wanted to use the poem for a piece on their new album. And they wanted me to record it. So I said, okay, okay, and we did that. And then he said, and now would you record it in Spanish? And we'll put that the same piece but with Spanish at the end because the album is about social distancing. And we'd like those to be the beginning and end of the album. And I said, yeah, no, Gabriel really not my wheelhouse. But I thought, okay, I remembered all those people who had contacted me and what they told me about the way this poem touched them. And I thought, you know what, I owe them this. I'm going to give it a shot. And I did. And then Gabriel contacted me. He sent me a recording of himself reciting it. He sent me the word. I did it again. I did it again. And eventually we got a piece that worked for them. And so that for me was sort of a full circle from the beginning of the adventure because I had heard from so many people who speak Spanish as their first language. That's terrific. So let's switch gears a little bit. You're a woman of talent. And so that's called the full moon cottage in Madison or outside Madison, Wisconsin. What's your daily life like? And how has it changed in the life during the pandemic? Well, in prior years, I had been working a lot with a dog rescue. And prior to that, we had two Border Collie labs for 13 years and they had died and we had adopted a new dog, a rescue dog. And then I started working for this rescue. And now we have five. So we have five dogs and three cats and we're in lockdown. But we have about four acres here with a lot of gardens. And so with the space and the companionship and my husband and I are real good buddies. We talk a lot and share a lot and laugh a lot. So it hasn't been hard other than every other week trips to the grocery store because we live in a state and in a county in the state where mask wearing has not been always respected. And so the caseload is rather high where we are. So it's a little scary to head out to the grocery store. But other than that, and compared to many, many people on the globe, we have been very grateful for our experience during this time. I love hearing about the love of canines of dogs. My wife and I have three rescues. And it's kind of ironic because a minute you started reading the poem. It came over and nestled right next to me. And it was either your soothing words or something, but I just found that so, so cute. But that that's great. And you've got five, five dogs, five rescues and three cats. So that's, that's fantastic surrounded by love. Very much. And it does it keeps our days it kind of in routine in terms of you get up and you walk the dogs and you come in for a while and then you go out and play and then it's a little time for rest and then we go to the gardens and so our days have been very routinely filled and you know it's it's hard for me to find my writing time but because of fill up. I'm able to do that. Oh, that's great. Kitty one of my two of my passions libraries and parks. And I know Christie mentioned early on how we're just blessed in the Bay Area of having a wonderful partnership between parks and libraries for learning. And so they're community partners. And we really see that connection. Talk a little bit about nature and I know this book is all about healing and the planet. But you also enjoy a lot of walks. A lot of delving deep into nature. Can you tell us about what how that inspires you. And the party. Yeah, it's been a lifelong source of spiritual deep deep spiritual joy for me. I was raised Catholic I taught in Catholic school I attended Catholic school so the spirituality of the earth was sort of taught and shared to me all the time I was growing up and became extremely important to my spiritual journey. And I think it's also just who I was who my parents were as well, especially my father was a gardener and had grew up on the lake in Minnesota. And so it just was always very very important to me to recognize that nature isn't the thing that outside isn't a place that it's us that we are it. And the communion that exists between myself and my trees and my flowers and I say mine. Those that I walk among and live among and tend as best I can and who tend me in turn it's all very important to me. It's my church. Absolutely. Some of us sometimes you know we go out on a walk or make the time for that but we really take it for granted and don't stop and smell the roses as they say right. So, what would you, what hints would you give our audience, parents and children to really, really relish the moments and the time when they go out on nature trails and make sure that they're safe for surroundings. Yeah, well, I know that this is true of of county parks and state parks everywhere that a lot of times there are Rangers who will serve as guides. And it's a matter of checking into that online which is easy to do. Guided tours and walks can be so educational and they're often of course designed for families. And so they're age appropriate in what they teach but you learn about the plants you learn about the birds you learn about the co dependency and the evolution of say a given trail or a park over the span of the four seasons. I think that's invaluable. You can do the reading that you know there's so much available now online and videos and YouTube and just create your own nature walk and go out and see what you can learn. There are apps you can have on your phone that will identify also aspects of what you're seeing around you. It's limitless so much you can do and see and learn about and be respectful of as well it's it's not about taking elements of that away from its habitat, but seeing it in its habitat and respecting how it evolves and the interdependency of the species is really a little plug for what the national the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy is doing with nature boost because it really believes that parks are healthy. They really add to the what they call the parks are X. It's a prescription for good health and more and more studies are proving that to be the case. They're working really hard to make parks accessible to folks that are in urban communities that perhaps don't have that at the ready. The library provides shuttles as we talked about sometimes to to go out and really experience nature, but even within your confines right talk a little bit about what you can do at home or experiencing nature. I know we talked about the virtual and some of those virtual tours. It's one thing. Well a walk around your neighborhood a walk in a park that's safe of course you know do your masking do your gloving and your social distancing but there's still a lot of programs it in my area that are open in parks for guiding yourself or guided tours that are provided. Walking around the block and noticing the trees, seeing if you can figure out what they are. You know planting a little garden. I did my first garden when I was eight it doesn't have to be a big plot of earth it can be a small little thing where you where you plant and tend and watch the cycle. You can have house plants and care for them. You can you know I mean it's pretty limitless. And I mean it's great outside families that do that can do that families that pray can pray outside families that just want to do a breath exercise outside I think, you know, learn about taking your pulse and do it before you go out and then go out and do your breathing and take your pulse again and see what it does for you as a human being to be one with it. Look what the weather forecast is and then go outside and observe it study the stars and the movement of the Sun and the moon I mean, it's it's endless Terrific ideas. It's true. What a nature and and to really Heal thyself, right? Oh Yeah Fantastic, so as a child Um, were you an avid reader and you still my lord, you know what I did I made I made a list for you of my favorite books And it just it went on and on and on it went on and on and on favorite books It's just so hard to to say favorite in my life other than husband. I it's just really hard to say favorite, but you know We moved a lot my father's career it was a corporate kind of military thing where you just you moved a lot and Every time we moved we would find the church in school and then the library and Then we'd start our weekly trips to the library in our, you know, big arm loads of books So reading it was modeled in my home. There was always a New Yorker. There still is a New Yorker So I've always had a copy in the New Yorker. There's always been stacks of books in every home I've lived in starting with my parents and Books are things to be proud of and happy to own and to cherish and take care of and That we have public libraries. I Don't think people understand what a miracle that is what a you know Endless doorways that opens for a life Yeah, I've always been a reader and I am still a read And you know kitty every great writer has a strong connection to their library So does it surprise me that you had that? You know, you know the love of books and going to your public library That's that's so great. And you know even during the time of pandemic libraries have stepped up and provided not only virtual Programs and resources, but they're making a difference. They're working very much all over the country To really be a resource During these challenging times. So we should be very proud of our Libraries and we should be very proud and and I want to thank you Luis for your life and dedication and the light That you and Christie and Michelle and and everyone have put in the world You are the wizards of my childhood and I am very very grateful to you Thank you so much. I love that term wizards. Yeah So what are you working on now? What's your next big project kitty? You know, I I want to bring this book out into the world and and do it justice it deserves that I write poetry all the time and Occasionally I post it on the blog and that poetry I do not write in 20 minutes It's it it takes work for me to get it the way I want it and even after I post it. I still Puts around with it on my own. So that's keeping me quite busy. I have ideas for books that I'm thinking about But I really want to just keep it simple So I was perusing the really round your blog and I absolutely loved it and you had a tribute to John Lewis and You also had Stories about I think you mentioned the angels and miracles and you have such a breadth of topics But the photography is phenomenal. So are you the photographer thinking? Yes, uh-huh I enjoyed that very much You know and I have friends Online and I mean in my social circle and one is a former student who are really Photographers I am an avid amateur photographer But I do enjoy it very much and a friend of mine who liked it many many years ago said, you know Why don't you start a blog and do your writing and use your photograph? So I did That's fantastic. So what's a preview of your next month's blog so we can have a scoop Well, I just posted a poem yesterday that took me quite a while to write I don't know if it's quite finished, but it was finished enough I'm one of those people that you know post it. It's you know, it's you're not The poet laureate of the universe post the poem get it out there and then you know You can always tinker so I did post one yesterday and it was about the years of walking on the trail And as I said to you earlier, it's kind of my church. So I Kind of kind of used a framework of a liturgy and I called it the liturgy of the trail so I'm really proud of that poem and it was about the walking with the dogs for 25 years on this trail and My hands on that one. I'm gonna look forward to reading that one Okay, thank you Yeah, and I don't really plan too far ahead other than that. I You know, I pay attention to what's happening outside what I've got good pictures of I Try not to get Too political and that's hard for me, but I I I try to think of Hospitality and offering people a place to Maybe ponder a few things, but but I try not to tell people how to ponder So Kenny right now, I mean you you're a former educator and a lot of Learning and teaching and you know parents I have to hand it to them. They are my heroes of that are Serving as you know teachers for kids that are are learning from home What would you what advice would you give parents that may be struggling with that the trend that transition? I know some have gone back to school, but some are still in a hybrid mode There's next Talk a little bit about that because I think that's an important issue facing our country in the world, I think so too and I don't want to In any way minimize what teachers do because I did it, but I also don't want parents to Have this fear that their children will be lacking in any way if they are loved if they are nourished with books and Attention if they're invited to pursue things that interest them and guided in those pursuits I think we will all be fine. This is an experience We're going through together and it can teach us a lot of things about life and living that a Year curriculum might not include so You know, I don't think there should be panic I do think there should be moments when everybody shuts down all the machines takes a breath Tells a story. I grew up in a family that told stories And I think that taught me a lot of things that I didn't learn in school And I had wonderful teachers, but I think there are things we can use this time To boost and Pad and enhance our learning All of us as as family members and people so I really would tell parents to please please don't Don't be sad About what your children are missing because they're also gaining an opportunity that is richer In in ways than what could have been planned and offered and you know confined to third grade fourth grade fifth grade I think be expansive be hopeful Let go of being hard on yourself Wonderful advice and the other thing that stood out for me was it's a it's a time for deep listening to one another right Yeah, that's very important to me as a chaplain and spiritual director and teacher and just who I am I think I'm talking a lot right now, but yes as you are modeling listening is Key to so much of what happens in deep listening that you know where you listen to the person's mood and you listen to their choice of words and you listen to the way their eyes move and their body is Held and their breathing occurs when you listen to all those things and you ask The questions that go deeper It listening can do a lot of heavy lifting in relationship That is so true. I'm a work in progress in terms of listening, but you learn so much more When you listen and you know learning from you Is part of this journey so that that's terrific the other thing and me from you Lewis Yeah, the other thing is to have children right in journal And put their experiences to paper Is that a good idea? That's an excellent idea. I think any student I had would tell you that miss. Oh Made us right Lord. She made us right. I I thought that was an extremely important part of education And so I taught from literature itself I taught from novels and poetry and myth and plays that I chose and selected and since I was Teaching sixth seventh and eighth grade. I could You know, I could choose themes and enhance them each of those three years and and Select novels and plays and poetry and everything that I thought went with it but then there was writing and writing and writing and writing and writing that went with all of that too and You know, it can be interesting It can be write a poem listen to this know you write a poem or listen to this beginning and you write an ending or In a paragraph, you know with a beginning middle and end so that you know We would call the you know a few paragraphs an essay. So they got the idea of how that worked Endless again possibilities of the ways we can write and be invited to write but I can't say enough about the power That that gives the child to master writing clearly and coherently and imaginatively And certainly there the reading connection is there I know when the library and the Golden Gate Parks Conservancy teamed up one of the ideas was to have these story trails story walks so that as you walk in the trails you would have pictures and story and So you would stop save at a moment, but also read the story and what a wonderful Connection and those have been oh, yeah extremely popular. Oh Yeah, you got it all there You got the words and the and the walking and the nature and the story and oh Lord that is perfect beautiful hmm, so kitty we're almost at the the end of our conversation, but I really wanted to Close by asking what advice you've received From your audiences and then you want to pass on to our audiences With your rich experiences You've given us what it what advice I've received I don't know that people have offered me a lot of advice They're sharing of their stories has taught me Again, how important it is to be open and authentic You know so indirectly I would say that that was advice that I took to heart. They've taught me again The value of humility The awesome awesome Gift of people listening to your words The the modesty and innocence and The truth with which they shared their their stories You know, I think sometimes as a writer Any writer will do this and I know I do too is you know, you try to fancy up things and That pairing down to the You know the green truth of things is so important and I think I have learned that again Well kitty you have been a gift to all of us and we so thank you for taking time to not only share your story but also To share the experience of this wonderful poem and now book that has resonated worldwide So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We look forward to much more in the future And I'm going to turn it back over to Christi estimates Christi. Thank you. Louise. Thank you. It's been just a joy Oh, I want to offer my thanks to both of you for this thoughtful conversation I feel I feel like I'm a renewed with hope right now for For our families for our community for our children Kitty congratulations on this new book. It is a gift to us all. Thank you so much and Louise Thank you for joining us today and leading this conversation Just a reminder That parks and public libraries are for everyone They're free and available and accessible and I hope that you visit your local library in your local parks as soon as possible Thank you all for joining us today and you can look for more public programming off the San Francisco Public Library YouTube page and Look forward to more nature boost with our partners with the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy The Presidio Trust and the National Park Service. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for all your great work Thank you. Thank you