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I I'm doing well I'm doing well I'm very excited to be be talking about all sorts of good land turtley stuff on Monday So I've been working very hard on that and I'll tell you more about it next week But suffice it say you say you will you will like the turtles shell? Ah I like that. I actually really do like that More more more although not much more about that later in the show But let's gonna start off by letting you know there. I'm not skipping Len Peralta. I'm not forgetting Len Peralta Len is out He's got some family stuff college with his kids, etc So he actually did a drawing for our main topic before the show and send it to us So we'll take a look at that at the end of the show. Well, let's start off with the headlines Mashable reports Apple has pulled Google's Nest smart thermostat from its retail and online stores Apple is rolling out the first batch of products based on Apple's own home kit platform Which doesn't work with Nest the nest has been replaced with the home kit enabled echo b3 that lists for $249 Veronica on Twitter's called that a dick move Darin. Do you agree? Yeah, I would agree and it's like come on really like you didn't have to fragment society as are you an Android person or An iPhone person now you're gonna fragment people's homes. You're tearing homes apart Apple So you consider the home kit platform itself to be that kind of move No, actually, I consider it. You know what if it wasn't Apple doing it would have been Google So I would rather just I mean nest could support the home kit platform, right? Then they'd let him back in the store You would hope that that actually there'd be like an consortium of of companies making, you know These smart home devices that would come together and be like hey, let's standardize on some, you know Open protocols like why don't we use things like I don't know TCP IP or whatever You know, I'm the idea. Well, and that's the thing that's going on several companies are getting together and forming several Open standards that are open by varying degrees Apple is not one of those companies. Yeah has their own standard. That is just Apple but unlike The other races that we see like this in the past because there's always going to be an HD DVD to your blu-ray Right, but unlike those cases it will not be only one can win Right, we will end up with a fragmented society where you I owe it I can't FaceTime your hangout where I can't actually enter Your home to play my King Kong HD DVD Because I'm not I'm on the nest platform, right? Yeah. Oh, well, that's fine. We just won't be home buddies Yeah, well, no, you'll have to be like you'll have to coordinate it with all your friends Like what platform you're going on because I want to be able to get in your house It's we know we're we're kidding. It's not quite that incompatible Equal playing field, you know, yeah Go standards wired reports that fiat Chrysler has issued a voluntary recall to encourage drivers to patch The 1.4 million cars that are vulnerable to the hack that was demonstrated on a Jeep Cherokee With wired Chrysler also said it has taken network level security measures to block the attacks The recall comes three days after Senators Ed Markey and Richard Blumenthal in the United States introduced a bill to call on the US FTC and National Highway and Transportation Safety Administration to set standards on vehicle security for Internet for networked connections essentially That's actually what we got a great email about this and we've been talking about this for a few days now So a whole dark comments until later in the show YouTube has updated the official YouTube app at the YouTube dominated VidCon conference going down in Anaheim Tech crunch has the report the update adds three new tabs home Subscription and account home gives recommendations based on your viewing habits Subscription you can guess shows you all your subscribed channels Account shows you playlists and your viewing history the app also can make vertical videos full screen Vertically because it's on a phone which has a vertical screen and the app lets users upload video and then trim it Add some filters add some music, etc So did they literally just rename watch now to home? Is that is that all they did? No, they added they added the the creation stuff. I don't think was there And they moved stuff around they put they put some more they put some more of your stuff in in home That wasn't in the watch now far as I could tell that's about it, right? So I wish that now I hope I haven't looked too much into this But I hope that the subscriptions actually shows you the actual subscriptions, you know what I'm saying like linear I have been that's what I read on tech crunch They said your subscriptions channel now just shows you your subscribed channels, right? Because it used to be like oh well based on your subscribership and what's popular We might want to rank these higher and lower to the just chronologically show me what has been posted. Yeah, thank you Please so if that's the way I'm very excited. I really don't care about taco videos I hope that or the or a hot dog videos or or whatever you want to call them the vertical videos need to die But that's just me. Yeah, I was wondering how many people would think this is a bad move by YouTube because it encourages people Rewards people for vertical video, but then again, it's YouTube So it's it's the technology that has encouraged the jump cut So maybe this is just part of their recipe for success is encouraging bad filmmaking Do you consider the jump cut to be bad filmmaking? Oh the jump cuts terrible? I mean, I agree. It's overused, but very few execute it well and those who have Like say Frank for instance Well, anyway, I think Grace Helbig is a fine practitioner of the jump cut myself Hmm. I just I see too much bad jump cut, but then again. Yeah, the same thing could be said with all things in film Also, W. Scott is one is reminding me my wife works at YouTube I'm also excited about the the ability to do a little bit of minor editing on your phone on the go because too many Android phones Don't have any sort of editor. In fact, it's kind of sad that you know It's been this many years and that there isn't still just a native editor just for trimming. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's it's really kind of sad So this is just like, you know a long time coming and it's I just wish that it had a little bit more Like the ability to put some cuts together because then I might actually use it Yeah and Gadget reports the Google took a look at their own full-screen interstitial ads for Google plus and found that 9% of visitors downloaded the app While 69% abandoned the page altogether. That's not a good ratio So when Google replaced the interstitial with just a banner ad about the app active users increased by 17% and iOS native app installs were unaffected. So as a result looking at the user data Google just killed the full-screen interstitial and the ad banner. I love that. Yes users Yeah, like like all you're trying to do is get people to use the service Like yes, I understand that maybe you want them to use the app and there's good reason for that as a company You're like well, we can gather way more analytics about the user How many seconds they're looking at whatever have you, you know Where they're swiping and all of that good stuff if you can get the app on and then of course integrate with their contacts and try It's spread virally like an outlook email infection from the 90s but The same people that are going to your website instead of using the app are the ones that are doing it for a reason I have plenty of friends who will they will say I will not install the Facebook app I'm on Facebook all day. I'm just using it through Chrome and Mobile we have this beautiful platform and it's not perfect, but we should use it instead of what is It's called the web the web Platform is it responsive? It is it has Jason and CSS and HTML 5 and I know they're not perfect. I know it But they could be if we all used Now this is actually what we talked about on Tuesday with Patrick Beja is this idea of like Hey, you know what people would use the mobile web more if you actually made it usable instead of annoying them And this is a step in that direction. That's right every every time I go to I'm doing a little bit of research on my phone Which is a terrible place to be doing research, but you know, I'm in bed and I've got a thought and I need to know something now Oh, yeah, totally. I don't do that all the time and then I'm like, oh, no I do not want to install the tap a talk app. I just want to go to this esoteric forum and find out about this Cummings engine. That's all I need to know Oh, and I've run into a few sites where they just don't let you into the site They just they just redirected to their app. I'm like, don't don't push me to tap a talk Yeah, make your website better so that I don't need an app. Yeah. Yeah, and actually, you know Facebook and Google the Google plus and Facebook both have beautiful Responsive mobile apps that take advantage of your phone very well without taking advantage of your phone. Thank you the Verge reports that Francis constitutional council has approved a bill that allows the government to take advantage of Higher surveillance powers. The law allows surveillance for various reasons like major foreign policy interests. That seems specific or Organized delinquency don't see how that can be misinterpreted without judicial approval Oh, okay and calls for internet service providers to install hardware to capture and analyze metadata For intelligence organizations to look at later The constitutional council did strike down provisions to intercept overseas communication and surveillance without ministerial approval So basically what's happened is we've gone from the secret. We're going to do this too. Okay, well fine, we'll let you know we're going to do this And tough Yeah, at least that's how it feels we're totally going to do this and all of your members of parliament voted for it and And they actually took the unusual move of getting the constitutional council to sign off on it before it became law In order to avoid any kind of protests Around it. They're like look, we've it's constitutional. We've got a sign off on it. So in a way you could say they're doing it right Even if you don't agree with what they're doing Well, they are gaming the game that they created the rules for so yes, let them game the game Yeah And gadget reports the usfcc voted to approve the merger of at&t and direct tv The approval requires at&t to expand its fiber network including hooking up schools and libraries and provide affordable internet For low-income customers at&t is also not allowed to use data caps to discriminate against competing video services Which possibly is already not allowed under the open internet rules And they have to disclose their interconnection agreements to the fcc. That's a big deal In that industry, although I don't think they're having to make them public, which would be an even bigger deal Let's look at some other things that you submitted on our subreddit lots of the stories We talk about already have been submitted on our subreddit But we take a look at what you guys are talking about on the subreddit to add a few more stories in every day dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Don't let one segment of the population Oversway the show get out there and make your voice heard do some voting at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Hightech ag pilot submitted the yahoo news story that police arrested 18 year old mechanical engineering student Austin Howitt of clinton connecticut on charges of assault and interfering with a police officer He was released on 20 thousand dollar bond police had approached him last Sunday in a library parking lot And he refused to comply with officer requests How it said he was using the library's wi-fi and unless they were charging him with a crime He did not need to cooperate with the officers Why you may ask is this story on the technews show? Well two weeks ago how it posted a video showing a quadcopter firing a semi-automatic handgun His arrest you should know Had nothing to do with the quadcopter video unless it affected the minds of the police and their Need to approach him in the first place But there are none of these charges are related to the fact that he actually did this video. No, no, no, no They're obviously related, but you know, they're not related. There's there's too much missing from this story Well, what like what because there is more to this story. I didn't put every single detail in here He was he was sitting outside the library Using wi-fi. He is known to the police. They know about the video They go up to him and say hey stop. He starts to drive away They flip the the you know the lights in the siren. He does stop. He says are you charging me with anything? They say can you just step out of the car? He takes off. They chase him down the road They flip the lights on again. He pulls over. He yells and screams at them. So, yeah So he gets amped up and emotional and get all of that But like when you know, they're like approaching him and he says am I being accused of a crime? And then they start harassing and I see had this go Get extreme time and time again, and it's like um, I wish that um That he might have been practicing surveillance or something like that Had he been maybe wearing a live streaming pair of google glasses or something of this of that So we could see exactly how it went down You would see how it went down and it might have gone down a little bit more peacefully because I mean It's kind of obvious here that the only reason the police are are Uh, questioning him is because of the drone video. I don't think that's true. And here's why Uh, according to uh, I I went and read some Connecticut newspapers Which have more details about this and according to them He has been in trouble and his father has been in trouble with the police Previously on handgun charges on rifle charges this and that So I I would step back from saying it has to do with the drone video because all of us in the tech world go Aha, this guy who's never done anything wrong does does this video and gets harassed by the police There's history Now that you think this drone thing is icing on the cake. Yeah, exactly You can't really separate the drone thing from the history there. I'm sure it has an effect I'm sure you're right, but it's not like the police suddenly said, hey, we don't like that Let's go find out who this guy is. They said, oh, it's that guy. We don't like doing something again We need to clamp down on him. That would be my guess um Hmm, you you don't think that the that the drone thing added a little bit of extra pressure. Oh, yeah No, I'm definitely I I definitely agreed that it did But what I can't tell is whether it's because it's a drone You know, whether it's the hacking or whether it's just this guy that we have history with did another thing Mm-hmm. Well, the way that it's getting spun is drone guy gets arrested, you know, right? And that's the one thing I want to I want to Make clear to people is he definitely did not get arrested Because of the drone. They're not they're not trying to tie those those charges in in any way Now the rest of this is all up to like, yeah, but is that one of the real reasons behind it? Maybe maybe not But there isn't like legal precedent being set about whether you can fire a handgun off a drone or not All right, and I mean Al Capone was only arrested for income tax evasion, right? He never did anything else wrong. Nothing to do with any of the other shady stuff I wish he would have just paid his taxes Al Capone would have otherwise been gone down in history as a finer standing man Yep, uh, you know what? I'm going to put a link to the Hartford Courant because this took place in Hartford, Connecticut Home region of one Veronica Belmont Hmm and to the others that are asking in a IRC about the the drone gun incident of we could link to the hackaday Story on it, which is pretty interesting It talks about whether or not is legal because of course the first reaction everybody is What drone shooting gun? How is that legal and the and since all right? There's that whole other reaction to it. You're actually right. Yeah So there's since there's no particular law outlawing it The only thing that anybody can come up with is maybe that since there's an FAA regulation that says Is particular to UAS? I don't know if this has been ratified yet actually but that no pilot in command of a civil aircraft May allow any object to be dropped from the aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property So since the shell casing drops It's an interesting interpretation. We'll see where this goes Yeah, I mean if he's doing it out of way from anybody else Then I think he's probably got a defensible case, but here's the point again The FAA is investigating this but no one else is bringing charges directly related to that Metal Freak submitted the arse technical story about the leak of source code for a fully featured malware suite For androids version 4.0 to 4.3 r s c android can collect passwords takes green shots Record from the microphone record voice calls Gathers all the data you might expect malware to gather It's deployed by getting targets to visit a website or download the fake app news or news app B news an affected foam may need its firmware flashed to remove the malware. Where did the malware come from hacking team? Love it. Well, you know what's fantastic about this though is Now security researchers have malware to or have malware source code to analyze rather than you know trying to do forensic analysis of it which is Is uh, I'm trying to think of a good analogy, but you're walking around in the dark in that case and then this this way You've got the whole playbook So yeah anything that's just going to make android more secure. This malware was identified I'm trying to figure out who it was. I think it was trend micro identified it previously And now they have the source code which means they can stop at cold So it's bad From the sense of like well now anybody can get the source code and use it But it's good from the sense that and you can also defend against them Right. Yeah, and then you know, this is in in fact, this is uh evaded some google play screening. So Now it's obvious What the technique? Yes, absolutely. So that's good because it's obvious to google what to look for what to do star fury zeta posted the gizmodo story that google voice transcriptions should soon make sense Google is using its neural network to process speech on google voice and claims to have reduced transcription errors by 49 Percent which shows you how many transcription errors there were before Actually, it doesn't it's a percentage, but there were a lot Uh, I don't know if anybody uses google voice, but it can be pretty hilarious and google to their credit in their blog post Acknowledged that sometimes there are hilarious results in their transcriptions and that is a look at the headlines All right, let's kick off this story We're going to follow up a little bit on the Jeep Cherokee hack more in the broad sense of How do you defend against these kinds of hacks? Because we also have the digital audio broadcast hack that we talked about earlier this week And so it's less about that particular hack and more about keeping these things set separate Let's start with an email I got from tg stellar a new listener. Welcome to the show Said you commented on july 23rd that you shouldn't link the entertainment system to the drive system This is bad design and cars that can be more hackable. Well, it is true that these systems are more hackable when linked It seems to me that the vision and goal should be to make integrated systems that also have robust security Not deliberately making systems less efficient functional and serviceable so as to prevent hacking By this reason the internet itself could be considered a bad idea as everyone would be safer if no systems were linked But the benefits outweigh the costs and efforts to increase internet security while clearly not 100 adequate are attempting to meet this need The truly concerning thing to me is not that systems are becoming more hackable or that people are becoming better at hacking But rather the possibility that security developers are simply not able to create truly robust security or hackproof systems What do you think darin? Well, every industry is going to have to go through this. We've seen uh, not specific to cyber security But we see time and time again with new technology and what it brings Different industries have to struggle with the same things and you know how they have they do it differently So for instance in the 90s it was like Oh You know piracy because mp3 files are finally, you know Bandwidth is finally there where you can download mp3 files and then the RIA has to deal with that and it's interesting to see what roads that they go down Kicking and screaming and then later on as the bandwidth increases and now users have the capability to download a video file how the mpaa deals with that so That's an analogy to how In this instance a new industry that the auto industry is having to deal with the cyber security threats and how There's that initial mindset, which is like oh keep the hackers out and then Pretend we kept the hackers out and then I don't know what's in between but at a certain point You just accept the fact that the the hack the hackers are in What which is why I said keep the entertainment system and the electronic control unit separate Why why why allow that path in it's not because it provides 100 security But that seems to be an unnecessary path Then we got an email yesterday from somebody saying well, I don't disagree with you But there are efficiencies you get when you allow those two systems to work together So I started to rethink my position a little which is well. Yeah, if I'm using the backup camera Uh, I do want it to display on the same screen that my tunes Metadata displays on so I guess there is a little connection that you have to have But at the same time What do I need to have my engine? Connected to the internet for why not air gap the engine controls? Well, there might be something where if the computer can you know Receive information from the engine and how it's firing it can figure out some efficiency data And then also based on some other things like it's got Stuff coming in about the weather and that it knows what the you know It's got some you know information coming from the barometer and then it can tell the engine like hey Here's how you can more efficiently fire based on the current weather conditions and things of that nature That would be good for fuel economy. That's just one Right and I get that there's you know traffic adaptation and lane lane change information and and the and vehicle to vehicle You get a better system when they all integrate obviously what I was just talking about is like We're talking about like little my new bits of efficiency here and there But they all add up and it's nice and if you don't want that then that's totally cool because you can still drive a You know 67 charger and that's fantastic and more power to you and america, but uh Uh, but just because like that that there's a risk involved there doesn't mean don't do it just means you know mitigate those risks You know for instance that the The email here talking about how like well, you know, look at the internet, right all of these computers are networks. Well Yeah, kind of sort of I mean my computer here on the hack 5 land and all of the other computers here in the hack 5 warehouse Are connected to the internet through A firewall through a router and then that router is connected to the next router in the next router and yada yada IPv6 notwithstanding this thing is behind You know a nap and each of these computers are like there's a reason why these are networks of networks Right, so it's not like a giant mesh where like my computer is directly talking to you We're going through like 30 hops right now tom and that's fine Because each of those kind of mitigates danger they add their own You know interesting aspects, but uh, but they mitigate danger and that's what it's always about in insecurity The the fallacy that like oh well you can just you know keep them out and then you don't have a problem That's something that like maybe it professionals would have said you know 20 years ago Um, and then it was proved like well, there's really no Perfect mousetrap in that case so except that you know they're going to get in I mean even before this you could still hack a car just through the odb 2 port. It's just that it's It's a smaller attack vector since you need physical access now that they're getting more complex and you've got you know radio modems and you've got You know wi-fi and things of that nature It increases the amount of attack vectors and similar to as we saw with you know united flights and their in-flight entertainment systems Happen to be on the same network as you know avionics things. Uh, that's another industry that's learning like oh Okay, well, how are we going to react to this? Do you keep them out of the network? Or do you accept that there might be a way that they get out of the infotainment system into network? And then you identify that and you squash it while they're in the system Apparently that is exaggerated how connected in the avionics section They are but your point is well taken which is you've you're never saying well, we've kept them out You're saying I think we increased the percentage Of time we can keep them out and that's what you're pushing for is the highest Highest percentage of security you can get and what are your mitigation measures? And what are the things you're doing to detect if they once they do get in? Because like you're saying you can't really assume that you will always keep all bad actors out And that's that's what lucas merian is recommending in an excellent article in computer world Is the fact that hey, you've got two ways into your core Auto electronic control unit and one way is the obd the on-board diagnostic port obd 2 The darin just mentioned you have to have physical access to the other is the car area network the the can And the can is what they used miller and velasic used by spoofing the head unit of the infotainment Entertainment system to look as if it were the ecu So what christler did today when they said we have put in place A network provision yes, we're we're encouraging everyone by putting out this recall to go update their firmware But we also put in a network provision on our own side to detect Any behavior like this to me that sounds like what you're you're saying is the Is one of the ways that you also need to go right? You need to try to fight these other things and keep firmware up to date and patch security But you also need to look for intrusions and try to stop them It it's building a system in which you don't trust every packet just because it came from within your network Because when you do that you're just saying like oh well everything inside of here is totally safe So I can just go ahead and trust it all well that you put the trust in the wrong place You have to really more granularly do it on every single packet And when it comes to the cars control area network it becomes a lot more difficult because well a couple of things first of all Auto engineers may not be having the same kind of background as cyber security professionals that have this kind of background and thought process Of how to do these things that's an education thing that'll get solved The other problem that you have is uh these things that are dealing with you know your fuel sensors and The the brakes and other you know important systems need to be very fast low low latency And if you have to say apply foot pressure to the brake and then that triggers a Sensor that creates a cryptographically secure packet that it then sent sends to the cars computer saying hey Add some brakes, you know it likes with the brake pads and then that comes back to the center and says okay Thank you for telling me to squeeze the brake pads, but And thanks for but but now do this challenge. Let's do a little challenge in response here So you sent me this packet that says give me some brakes. Here's a pet here's some random numbers Apply those with the seed that you have Let me know what it comes back as I'll check those if everything checks out We might send some brake pressure down there when when you're having to do that like you You know you really need low latency And when you add that kind of complexity in something a you know moving vehicle on public streets where there are people And inside and outside the vehicle Um, it gets a lot more difficult That's why we should just leave the driving to the cars No, uh I'll give you an example. I there was um Uh, your friends with uh, you know j. Adelson. He invited me over to hack his he does a lot of um Of hacking of uh, what is it called? Home automation systems before nest and all of that stuff But the old school home automation systems before is a shiny box And he was trying to integrate the gate to his um to his little villa and the it works on a separate system Uh, but it adds its own network, right? And as long as you're on the network then it trusts it, right? But he wants to integrate it with a new network, right kind of like the infotainment center and so Uh, he basically needs to know how do I tie these two networks together? So we sniff the packets and it's just a simple udp packet that gets sent to the gate that says it actually said open sesame Right, so i'm like, oh Well, there's no other challenge whatsoever So as long as you can send a packet that says open sesame Which wire sharked it sniffed it up packet replay bobs your uncle um We're able to do and then he can integrate it with the rest of his systems and have his gate integrate, which is great Except in the same kind of sense you realize like right now What we have is a system whereby if you just say apply break pressure It's going to apply break pressure right and that there's no one that doesn't check to see who said apply break pressure Yeah, right, uh, which is what what these guys did what's what miller and the last sec did they they said, oh, we're the ecu So apply some break pressure. It's fine. It's totally fine Because as long as machines trust humans and you can spoof to be the human the right human then them You know, you'll always be trusted. All right, so trust somewhere. I got yeah, you're absolutely right I got two questions. What should the car manufacturers Be focusing on As far as mitigation measures Okay, so what I said is that the problem is that ultimately the car needs to trust the human And if you can spoof the human then you can trick the car into obeying it So obviously what we do is get the human out of the loop and have the car not trust the human at all And have it just do all the driving and ignore you and we won't have any problems That's down the road, but in the meantime, what should they do? um Down the road by the way There's ways to make it so that instead of just a simple packet that says open sesame It's a packet that says open sesame plus here's a hashed value that we had previously agreed upon It's kind of a stop gap because then you just a little bit of encryption previous seed is and you You know make your packets more what about intrusion detection looking for patterns of like wait a minute that that doesn't look right It doesn't work in a low latency system like that where you're stopping every packet at the firewall and saying like Are you really sure you want to you know hit the turn signal or or that's what chrysler is doing with the sprint network They're saying we can tell these packets don't look right And so we're going to kill them out on the network before they even get to the car Yeah, I wish I had the perfect solution for you because if I did it be making a bajillion dollars selling it to the infosexine But yes, there's the find the the final question There's lots of best practices they can learn from that infosexine. I would say when it comes to the uh To the part that's actually driving the car Maybe having that on its own separate network would be a little bit better just for right now at least that's what i've been saying uh The final question for the guy out there who's like i'm just not going to get a car with a network Is that a reasonable response like i'm just going to keep driving old cars the the 67 charger looks really good. All right Let's get to our pick of the day abe from jersey one of our patreons Thank you abe for helping make the show possible Uh and giving us a pick He's like i would love for you to share with darin kitchen the syma x5 quad copter Which is a great introduction to the hobby at only 36 dollars and 49 cents at least what he bought it Uh and apparently he's still around that you honestly don't have a good reason not to try it out If you ever drove rc cars in the 80s or 90s This will make you a kid all over again And he also answers darin if there are any websites you know of to help identify places where you're allowed to fly He's just been sticking to his front yard because he's not sure Oh Well one yes the syma x5 syma. That's uh a fantastic First-time quad copter because it's has just enough oomph to be able to fly it outside Uh, it's really a great learning one and because the remote you learn the the What is it called the The hand-eye coordination the the muscle memory that you will learn from this will adapt to the bigger ones down the road So yes, it's a very good one as far as how to know where it's legal to fly Um, it should be I mean if the fAA if you're going to take a look at it on the federal level Then as long as you're within five if you're outside five miles of an airport and You stand under 400 feet and you're not over populated area like don't fly it over a baseball game Then you're good The problem is then there is a bunch of state level and then municipal level and the same thing could be applied to Any kind of law question. So I mean I've been kicked off the beach in malibu because they had a sydney city ordinance Well, does it violate fAA airspace stuff? Yeah, it absolutely does, but you know, that's the way the law works um barbara strice and I've been Yeah, no joke, right? It really was barbara strice hand that they actually told me no, I know Don't fly barbara strice hands house and you'll be golden Yeah, so so there's not a single resource yet that kind of helps people out You just got to search around look into your local government websites An app that would just tell you like am I legal to drone here and then based on the gps tell you The the biggest one is staying five miles out of an airport. Um, look up what class d airspace is Because that's the safest that's your safest bet All right, we got some last messages today Tony from the lazy tech guys said if you filter your google map He's talking about the google maps feature if you filter it by day You'll see your route How long you're at each stop and even your photos that were taken there if you use google photos and its geotagging function He thinks this answers justin's criticism about the lack of contextual data in this new feature He says personally I use this for my day job as I travel all around the bay area And I need to plot out my hours traveled miles traveled but more importantly how long I was at each stop This is as paul thorat said similar to google photo stories, but more focused on location instead of just on photos And then john said Because after the show yesterday, uh paul was trying to remember the name of a wine Uh that he had bought said there have been discussions for the use case for integrating location services and google maps How about this you took a trip out to san francisco and napavala Napavali and found a winery you love but you can't remember the name and your wife put the last bottle in the cellar If you were using google location services, you could quickly locate that information. Just ask paul thorat says john Uh, I I actually think there's all kinds of cool uses for this and I'm happy that that folks are sending us their ideas And I'm really happy as I said before that it gives you control over the information that's in there Have you looked at the uh the google maps location information? I've seen google maps history from last year. Uh, so I haven't seen the new stuff Yeah, they they wrapped it all up in a in a nicer presentation Oh, okay And they gave you very obvious trash can buttons and edit buttons so you can be like nope I don't want you to have that get rid of that. I didn't that wasn't there in amsterdam not even once Nope, never were not now Trash can button All right, uh, len is not here, but we do have some art from him Uh, and he has made it available already up at len parol to store dot com Darin, I'm gonna try to pull in a screenshot Uh of this at the same time though. Uh, it is it is about you It is it is the darin kitchen mobile The hack five mobile the new unhackable car for 2016. Yeah, no Oh, I love that. There's a little rubber ducky in the uh In the rear view mirror Yeah, no, it's a pineapple on the grill and a rubber ducky hanging over the mirror The taxi that if this whole hacking thing doesn't work out for me That's the cab that I'll be driving the pineapple cab. Yes, I'll be I'll be on uber with the pineapple cab Best part about the pineapple cab is uh, you pay by darin just hacking your wallet and taking the fare out When he's honest, he won't take more than the fare Right, you could do like my dad used to do, you know, you just hand me the wallet and say you leave me How much you think I deserve? Yeah, exactly Uh, so check it out. Uh, it's great. It's great art. Well done, Len. I'm sorry that Len couldn't be with us Uh today, but I'm really happy that he went ahead and made the art for us at Len Peralta store Dot com hack five is where you can find darin kitchen. Uh, H a k 5 dot org you have something involving turtles happening soon Yes, we are launching the land turtle on monday and that's when we'll be launching a new hack shop So all sorts of good stuff So check it out and we'll uh be integrating it with so with a series that we've been doing Uh lately, so if you're interested never, you know, you hear those news reports where they're like Oh the dangers of public wi-fi and all of that stuff and then at the end of the news report They always say like um and security researchers say get a vpn that stands for virtual private network And it'll save you okay back to bob with weather like and it's like well, what did I just hear? What is that? How is that gonna and then the other side of it is like oh I'll get a vpn from this place for like eight bucks a month and Be paying them money to give them your packets Which is like what the one thing you're trying to secure you're gonna pay somebody to sniff anyway Not that I know of any, uh, syriptitious, uh, evil vpn providers that may be any shoes um However, it's really easy to set one up on like a raspberry pi or that old server under your bed That old machine the gaming rig that you just upgraded Whatever that old computer is you can turn it into a vpn server And we show you how to do that on the latest two episodes of pack five Check it out. AJK5.org And then you can set it up in terpster's house in the uk I'm just or something. 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I got one n t l and But but they say valid. So it's not like It's not like if you now We're losing opportunity Get your own qr code Um, how about bad to the drone? Oh I like the drone Then there's direct direct at and tv You know, I know they're getting approval I it's I don't I don't know when they expect They haven't said when they expect the deal to close But even after the deal closes, it takes a while for them to really integrate two companies like that I'm hoping that Uh, I can convince titling to cancel direct tv before AT&T gets old I think the shot's still on you man. Nope Not anymore. Did you fix it? Yeah, I saw that and I fixed it Fixed Oh, would you like to hear some other titles? Yeah. Well, so what you're saying is the direct at and tv Uh title option will be available for some time now. Yes Yeah, probably apple removing apple removing nest a dick move Uh hacks in the furious Driving me up the firewall That was pretty good. They're crashing the system of jeeps Uh web still exists Um, what else? What else? It's new this new platform All in all, it's just another app on your phone Um You don't hack the hack 5 mobile it hacks you Oh, and I got to give a shout out to ian Ian for a dama rules because that's exactly what I thought Yes, the moment I heard you say Not connected networks. I was like, oh like adverilladama You know what I forgot to even mention as far as the network thing is even if you air gap your system Even if you like, you know, pull the ethernet and wi-fi card out of your laptop or whatever There's still a network going on inside your computer. It's the way that my webcam is talking to You know this uh this google hangouts web app you know Like if you do an if config on right on a Linux system that doesn't have any other network interfaces You'll still have low and your ip will be 127 does here does here that one? And that's there because all of the other applications can use it to speak to each other. So Like how far how far back do you go? Say like, oh, that's still requires physical computers talk to each other Well, what about the programs on the computer? They can talk to each other. Well, then but then we only like you said it's like you said it's Mitigating and lowering the the number and and so to take advantage of that network connection. You have to be inside the network Right, but if you keep reducing it back and reducing it back you end up with an abacus That is what my car has I thought you had a prius. No, you've got one of the oh, you've got the 69 charger with the abacus. Yeah. Yeah abacus driven Actually, uh, no, I have a I have a prius. I have a prius that doesn't have bluetooth though I don't know how much that helps. Yeah, I got it all wrong. The 67 charger is not pretty Yeah, out of all the chargers. I could have picked you picked. I picked what's wrong with it. Oh, it's just Yeah I think driving me up the firewall is my favorite. What about you guys? We didn't start the firewall And now we're owned That's it. That's the end of the song Let's make sure I spell daily tech news show correctly in the iad3 meta tag I did it twice. I I left a letter out two days in a row and people got angry Oh, and you know what now I just remember the other thing that I forgot to mention Which is like I was making the analogy to the raa and mpaa and how like, you know All of this has happened before and all of this has happened again Another a dumb ish. There were so many great opportunities for that too. Oh, damn Let's do the show over. Yeah on the top I'm ready. Let's just make it happen Well, when we talk about the french surveillance story, then we'll have to talk about how now, uh, french intelligence is all along the watchtower Oh Kudos. All right, you win the podcast It's not a competition. Keep it coming. Keep it coming We'll just start calling her Kara Swisher face and then when we get towards the end of the headlines We're like here are the final five headlines. Oh You just keep popping it tom Don't bring A pun to a tom married pop culture pun fight. I know I know I should know better. I try I was always at turbo And then he's really all you're doing is revving him up, you know, you're getting him started. He's like a viper Uh, now you're now that's a stretch. No, I know. Oh, although that's the car. I would have gotten Viper 92 viper Before odb 2 Oh, you can go all the way up to 92. Yeah, you don't have to go back to the 60s Yeah, did they make vipers in the 60s? No, so I know everybody got really exciting stuff today And I got exciting stuff today too, but I also have nintendo power mints, which is pretty cool Mama Oh, I think my wife's best friend used to design all those Merchandising candy. Yes All right, I've been eating them non-stop and let me tell you they decided not to bring her on full time That was my contribution to things we got today Oh that and the mac mini did anyone else get anything I didn't get anything We're talking about uh Darren's getting a car a hack taxi The haxy roger has a baby Tom has the whole wide internet that loves him and I have nintendo power mints and a mech I think you won Because darin doesn't have the charger roger already had the baby. I don't really have the internet, but you do have nintendo power mints That's true. That's true. I'm very excited Did you guys watch opposites of track with james cordon and paula abdule? No, but I really want to see it. It's on my list I think the only reason she agreed to do it is because james cordon can't dance So she looked pretty good out there Because she's not super young But she was moving around and fine and he was hilarious obviously You would never know her age and it would be impolite to ask august I've got some work to do in august in the department of august. Oh, yeah, so it'll be the week of the 16th That would be my last week out The week of the 16th so you can start scheduling Oh, I think it's starting sunday. All right. So the whole week tom other job final Now it's possible. I might fly back on thursday night Right, okay, so but I'll just be around for friday, but just pretend I won't I shall assume Daren, let me make sure I have this in my calendar as well because our uh, uh, September 15th is it no 12 19th What I'm sorry 11th. What which which day are we getting together? Oh, yeah, I still haven't nailed that down. I think I think it was the 16. It what day is the 16th That's Wednesday. Uh, so, yeah, I think it might have been that weekend. I have to look I don't worry either because we're going to uh, Oh, it's not the august one. Okay, never mind. Never mind. No, it's september. We're good. Yeah. Yeah, so the plan Jenny, I think I mentioned this but in case I didn't uh, I was thinking of going up to the bay area in september For a weekend. I'd do the show from Uh, the warehouse Yeah, right on friday. The reason I asked is because we're not sure what the date in september is going to be for the Hackhouse thing. Uh, let me post a link in Um, oh, I'm I'm pretty flexible. Let's go. Hang on here. You know, I'll just post it in chat and then everybody in irc can Get in on this and check it out. Um it's Little 30 second teaser video that shows you essentially what we did at our first ever open house and developed a group that's now building Uh, nano class first person view quadcopters for indoor races and obstacles and stuff And so we're going to continue doing some uh open houses And so I just wanted to know at a time The dates are because I want to make sure that they don't or do coincide in case mayhem Is or is not to be Darren yes, let's talk about august August is going to be crazy for me with defcon. So the first two Uh, 31st. I'm no good. The seventh. I'm no good. Okay And the 14th. I should be good again. Okay, the 21st. That's awesome. The 21st is a day. I'm definitely interested in Right now because I can do that. I'm not here. Okay, good. So Uh, darin kitchen and then maybe you'll bring on another hack five person Uh, and I'm just going to put darin kitchen and hack five person Okay Hack five tbd All right Okay, good. And then just to round it out. How about the 28th? Uh Yeah, well, let's see Um, can I get back to you on that one because I'm trying to do a little trip At the end of august and I'm not sure if it's going to start on saturday or not But I I should be good, but I will not know until after defcon Okay, that's that gets this gets me the important date or I'll probably I'll I'll know By the third Okay Yeah, so september 25th was the day we were kicking around for me to come up to the bay area All right. Well, if you uh, that's a friday. Okay, so Schools on the 18th. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we've got classes. We're doing the week prior. So that's good That doesn't interfere. Yeah. Yeah, we're on the air right now Okay, yeah, no, I think we're still doing 18th 19th. Okay, so Then we'll do barbecue on the 26th. Anyway, we'll figure it out I'm just letting you know. There may be a barbecue the day after Oh, you want to figure out? All right barbecue. Yeah Okay, so I just need to record six more videos and then No problem Seems legit totally And then I'll get my turtle on. All right, let's get out of here. Thanks everybody for watching stay tuned for current geek later today Talk to you in two weeks But you'll see australians on monday