 If everyone would begin to grab your seats, please feel free to grab a cup of coffee a Danish bring it to your table I mean this is I'm overwhelmed by the by the attendance here today And I know that our co-hosts are as well. So I many of you have traveled from some distances I think this is the most number of outside of Washington, DC people we've ever had in one room at CSI as so So we were actually thrilled to have everyone here and we're very thrilled obviously to have To Bart Johnson here, and I'll talk more about him in a second, but everyone welcome to CSI as my name is Rick Ozzie Nelson, and I'm a director of the Homeland Security and counterterrorism program here at the Center This event today is co-hosted and it's kind of unique. We usually don't do events like this We usually get a sponsor and it's usually one institution But the topic of Fusion Center has been something that I've been Wrestling with and our co-hosts have as well and the three of us felt that it was important for us just to go out and be a little forward-leaning I can use that word Washington DC those words You know forward leaning on this so our you know our co-host today the Homeland Security and studies and analysis Institute HSI and then the Homeland Security's engineering and development Institute From MITRE now I have to explain how to get this right, so they'll do excuse me if this is if I don't get this right, but HSI is the FF RDC for one of the FF RDCs for DHS the focuses on studies and analysis and SETI for out of MITRE is the one that focuses on systems engineering FF RDC CSIS We're just one of these DC think tanks So we bring the FF RDCs in them to help us pretend. We're smart, but I want to go ahead and thank our partners from HSI It's Phil Anderson and Matt Phillips is Matt here. Did he did he not make it? Where's Matt? Okay Matt and then from from SETI Kim Warren Kenrapuano, Leslie Anderson, Barbara, Jeff Sands I think all over at this table here So this is even though I'm up here doing the talking and stealing the oxygen These folks at the front tables here are the ones that put most of this behind upon this, so you know In recent years a number of local governments With DHS established a number of fusion centers 72 correct. That's where we are With the idea of enhancing information and intelligence sharing Within the jurisdictions and within departments and agencies of the federal government Obviously with the things that we struggle with is the value proposition What is the value proposition of these fusion centers for the federal government? Isn't always in line with the value proposition of these fusion centers are for the state and local governments But I personally believe that these fusion centers are have the potential to be critical assets Across the state local and federal governments From a variety of factors and some of the things we have to get to to make these fusion centers work And the issues we're going to explore today are what are those items? It's nice to say that we need to share information, but we have some really difficult problems that Bart's gonna address here and some of the panels are gonna address and it's getting to the time now where again a lot of Folks are dealing with these issues, but to make them successful especially in these budget tightening it tighten environments We need to start drilling down into what those issues are and how we can best move forward on doing that But to be we have three panels today Each of the organizations is is responsible for one and we're gonna kind of do the top-down approach I don't like that, but that's just kind of how it planned out CSIS will be sponsoring the first panel of titles They're in front of you and there we want to look at more of the strategic Vision of what the fusion centers are then we HSI will lead one more on the policy and the integration level and then lastly today It's probably the one that'll get really into the nuts and bolts is going to be the city folks We're they're gonna lead a panel on technology So when you're asking your questions, we try to get panelists that could focus on those themes kind of keep your questions Focused on those panels. So first question when you talk about technology, let's let's leave that for the third panel But enough of that we're webcast today for at least the first part of the event I'm gonna go ahead and introduce someone who's been here numerous times and for that I am personally grateful and I know that John Hamery is Bart Johnson the principal deputy undersecretary for intelligence analysis at the Department of Homeland Security Bart is going to do the keynote He's responsible for providing DHS as well state local and tribal and private sector partners with information and intelligence related to homeland security That title is probably one of the hardest jobs in the US government. So Prior to his appointment at INA in April 2009 Mr. Johnson served as the director of Homeland Security and law Enforcement's at ODI and the Office of Director of National Intelligence and that capacity He worked to facilitate communication between the intelligence community Probably the second most difficult job and the federal state local and tribal agencies Creating partner groups to allow these individuals and these entities that directly integrate with DII but most importantly about Mr. Johnson and what's so critical to this is his background prior to coming to Washington DC Where he served as a colonel with the New York State police It has more than 31 years of law enforcement experience 20 of four of them with the New York State police And it's that background that is so critical to this Washington DC environment to ensure that what happens at the federal government is value Added to the state and local Obviously giving the law law long experience and mr. Johnson's background information sharing He's you know appropriately positioned to speak on this so Bart again, I'll turn it over to you. I'll give a one-on-one approach and thank you once again for coming Good morning everybody It's great great to be here and I want to really thank Rick for that very kind a tee-up in the introduction I concur with what Rick just said as it relates to the need for the National Network of Fusion Center Particularly as it relates to home and security and what I'll try to do over the next 30 minutes or so is try to illustrate Some of the highlights on the progress that has been made in partnership with a lot of you out there I would also like to echo his thanks to the organizers of this event I'm not going to try to repeat them for the sake of brevity, but I really appreciate it to really stand up this forum a lot of Friends out in the audience So I apologize for those of you who may have heard little pieces and nuggets of this and for those of you that I don't know It's great to see you also and I hope to share some of the experiences the most important thing to me Is certainly the questions at the end and I'll stay you know as long as I need to you know Answer the questions and if not, you know see me afterwards and we'll certainly try to get you the answers to any question that you may have As it relates to you know this this forum here today I think it's very timely and very relevant to really what's going on in the country right now There's a great assemblage of our state local and tribal partners here Some private sector folks and all of us are members of the public It's interesting that the department for the first time Developed the quiz or is affectionately known as a quiz or the quadrennial homeland security review and within it We defined the homeland security enterprise and I totally agree with that definition in that includes the federal government state local and tribal entities private entities Communities and also the public so all those pieces are very very important in ensuring the safety and Prosperity of our country This session is also very timely in that the National Fusion Center conference is coming up in several weeks So the discussions here are certainly going to fold in very very nicely To some of you who are actually going to be at that conference So once again, I think it speaks well for the way that was Organized by Rick and others and also the timeliness. So I thank you for that Some of the panels are constructed very very well But one of them is a discussion of the role of fusion centers and homeland security and also counter-terrorism I think everybody knows quite well the support and the Vocal nature of the secretary in support of this effort and how do we build that capability? What does it mean to us within the homeland and how do they play a role? The second one is discussing the mutual benefits of the national network and how can the federal government? Get the information that they need and the value added to the proposition And how does state local and tribal law enforcement and homeless security officials get in return for that same? Value added an investment that they're making into it And that is going to be a significant topic of discussion on Monday the Monday before The National Fusion Center conference and some of you are also going to be on that there on that day And then lastly the defining priorities We've come a long way. We know where we've been I'm going to let you know and update you as to where we are and a little bit about you know the future But certainly we need to define the priorities as we move out and how we do that as a community to ensure that we maintain That that value added that we all strive to do I Oftentimes reflect in certain parts of my career So over the past several weeks I've been reflecting because I've almost come up on two years now Being with the Office of Intelligence and Analysis having started there on May 18th of 2009 Oftentimes also I get a little impatient and I question about the progress that has been made And are we doing it fast enough or we applying ourselves or we protecting the homeland? So once we have the next attack we won't say gee we should have done this We should have done that or we could have done this that we're striving and pushing every step of the way to do everything That we need to do to protect the homeland so I've been doing a little bit of that over the past you know a couple weeks and I like to share some of those thoughts with you and I would challenge each of you to ask yourself whether your private sector Individual state local tribal or federal government are we really doing all that we can? Obviously, you know this all really started in earnest on September 11th of 2001 I believe each and every one of us have a personal story to talk about and everybody does remember where they were I always make it a point to mention two names and those two names are a Sam Otees He was a peak-skill police officer that I started with and also Paul Juergens who I went through my basic training with back in 1977 Sammy later went with the fire department in New York City and Paul Juergens was with the Port Authority And they both lost their lives on September 11th of 2001 So really since that day this is really all I've been doing in partnership with a lot of you And I go back and remember that as to why we've been doing it doing this with one another and certainly what's been occurring You know over the past 21 months The 9-11 Commission report very accurately Portrayed some of the gaps some of the failures and really that has been really the Touchstone point for us a foundational document to build upon as we try to evolve and enhance the environment and Once again the events of you know the past 21 months Speaks volumes as to where we are as it relates to the threat that the evolution of the threat and really working together the vigilance the creativity and the greater Cooperation that we've all experienced over the past several years and really to build upon and enhance that Enterprise that I described to all of you earlier and just for clarity. I just want to throw out some statistics to you There was recently a report issued by the New York State Intelligence Center That's the one that I participated in and hopefully help build a little bit Examining the last 32 major terrorism cases since 9-11 and what that report illustrated was that 50 of the 88 Individuals involved in those plots were us citizens at the time of their arrests and the majority of them were born within the United States and To highlight another report the Congressional Research Service report Made some striking comparisons that between May of 2009 and November of 2010 there were 22 homegrown plots that were carried out by American citizens or Legal permanent residents by comparison the seven years after September 11th There were a total of 21 terrorist plots So that a parent's Spike that obvious spike is something that we need to be very very concerned about and when you also look at two various Very serious plots in the name of David Hedley and Najib al-Azazi We had a two successful terrorist attacks in the name of Carlos Bledsoe and Nadal Hassan and we had three near misses One on December 25th with umar for fruq Abdul Matalib May 1st with Faisal Shazad and then most recently on October 29th with the failed cargo plot So we've missed a few interrupted a few and that pace and that persistence, you know certainly Continues so what does that illustrate to me what that says to me is that we can't rely on the intelligence Community and all the fine work that they do each and every day in foreign fields and Intercepts and their capabilities. We can't rely on them all the time We need to enable and power and train and make the officers and our homeless security officials and the public More aware of what the threat is and I believe the Attorney General and the Secretary both in congressional hearings and also public statements You know have been doing exact exactly that so there's been some talk about you know over the past 21 months Is this an anomaly? What is occurring or is it the new norm for me? It's the new norm I believe we have to operate under the premise that there's other individuals here operating within the homeland Who can attack with little or no warning so that once again brings into clarity the importance of state local and tribal And when you look back at some of the opportunities, you know that law enforcement Always capitalizes upon I'd like to mention two of them And that was a trooper Charlie batch who was out on routine patrol and stopped a car for no front plate And it turned out to be Tim McVeigh and that was because of that individual doing doing his job And also a trooper Catalano on September 9th of 2001 when he stopped Zia draw Before he flew the plane into into the fields of Pennsylvania. So those Interactions are occurring each and every day in law enforcement. So we need to make sure that they get the information That they need so once again The passing of that information is critical and that's what you know, we're striving to do and I think we're making you know some very Significant strides. I want to coin a phrase also and borrow it from the International Association of Chiefs of Police You know that homeland security begins with hometown security. I was very fortunate to spend six years working in the city of peak scale as a young patrol officer and it's amazing what you see out on patrol the Interactions with the public Walking a beat driving a patrol car making a vehicle and traffic traffic stops and the Opportunities to observe suspicious activity and really act upon it and get it into the hands of the right people And that's really what this is all about So obviously the department and the secretary has invested a lot of time and effort into building this national network of fusion centers and I like to point out she gave a presentation a couple Weeks ago at George Washington University, and it was titled the state of Americans homeland security It was an address and I encourage you to pull it up and read it because it says a lot about what we're doing and the interrelationships of the intelligence community the federal government the fusion centers The nationwide suspicious activity reporting initiative and then see something say something and how they're all Supportive of one another and intertwined with one another and it's all to enable the FBI's led joint terrorism task forces The JTS do an absolutely phenomenal job And what I didn't mention were many of the fine Investigations that they've done over the past 21 months and they are Supported and enabled by the fusion centers and the information that they have access to that are then provided to the JTTS And there's been a number of successes In that regard So moving forward from a federal perspective. We need to define What the federal government is getting out of this relationship and quite frankly we're getting a lot out of it And we haven't even begun to realize the full potential In magnitude of what we can get out of this relationship And I mentioned it to you a little bit about what is Lieutenant Tom Monahan getting at it this relationship with a fusion center And how he is keeping sheriff Gillespie Satisfied that the fusion centers providing the value added to Address and mitigate in an all-crimes fashion things like narcotics and money laundering Firearms trafficking and also human smuggling so there has to be that value added and that balance particularly as Ozzie mentioned the declining budgets that that we're witnessing out there right now So you may ask me and rightfully so what are we doing about it? And I believe we're doing quite a bit in partnership with one another Just about coming up on a year ago at the National Fusion Center conference We took this document called the baseline capabilities the baseline capabilities came out in 2008 And that was built by the Criminal Intelligence Coordinating Council In partnership with the federal government as it relates to the fusion centers the 72 of them And we wanted to make sure that they were built upon a strong foundation So as they grew and mature they would have a series of commonalities associated with them And that was the importance of that that founding document So at the national conference we highlighted some of those critical operational capabilities to be defined as the ability to receive Analyze Disseminate and gather information. So what do I mean by that? What I mean by that is there's a lot of great information in the intelligence Community that is criminally related that the fusion centers need to keep themselves Aware of the tactics techniques and procedures and indicators and warnings that could be a tipper to potential Terrorist planning plotting and how to mitigate it So we need to make sure that we they have the ability they the fusion centers have the ability to receive that information Both in classified and unclassified channels and to be trained to know what to do with that Complementary to that or our clearances The president recently signed an executive order Putting the secretary as the executive agent For the issuance of the clearances there was just an article yesterday about how that is improved and it continues to improve To make sure that state local and tribal and private sector have the appropriate clearances Additionally once you receive it there needs to be analytical level of experience within the fusion center to know what to do with it in other words to overlay it to the threat to Overlay it against the vulnerabilities and try to realize what that vulnerability or threat is in your your area of Responsibility the fusion centers and once they get that information it needs to be provided to The partners and the partners are law enforcement the private sector Homeland security officials and certainly something that has evolved over the years are the field intelligence officers So for example in New York State Every police agency in the state had a field intelligence officer to act as a liaison and that connect back to the fusion center to make sure That they get the information that they need and provide a very viable dialogue went back and forth So that once again is maturing. I mentioned gathering Young trooper out on patrol makes observation based on those indicators and warnings They need a process the nationwide suspicious activity reporting initiative to record and document that information and get it back Into the system the fusion center and to shared space to be shared with the fusion center the federal government and certainly the Joint Terrorism Task Forces for potential investigation And once again see something say something I mentioned the home and security enterprise and the importance of the public I think you remember on May 1st. There was a vendor Times Square Observed some smoke So he saw something and he said something to amount of patrol officer that possibly mitigated it and prevented a much more Serious consequence from that observation. So they're all interrelated with one another and certainly We law enforcement or my prior life law enforcement You have no better advocate than you do in a law enforcement officer as it relates to privacy civil liberties and civil rights That's what they're trained to that's what they're held accountable to And they know what reasonable suspicion is they know what probable cause is and they know that they have to raise their hand Put their hand on a Bible and prove beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction of an individual So they take it very very seriously But having said that we've made a lot of progress also with the privacy policies with the fusion centers I believe in the early part of 2010. We're at about five or six fully executed privacy policies We're now at a 56 and there's another eight or so in the pipeline So we're tracking very well that by the by the time the fusion center conference is upon us next month We'll have virtually every fusion center with a proven policy in place Also as it relates to Achieving and sustaining is critical operational capabilities and is important and I'll speak to that in a moment So what is this doing for us the application of the critical operational capabilities the maturing of the network? What it's doing is providing some successes. So we've seen successes those Successes are increasing exponentially and I like to share some of those with you Some fusion centers have actually provided information that has found its way into the presidential daily brief So the president is briefed every day on the threat and information and some of that information has has reached his desk Also regarding the Fusion Center liaison officer program that I mentioned see something say something Law enforcement in the fusion centers played a critical role During Najib al-Azazi and also Faisal Shazad and Florida actually provided some information that found its way into the National Counterterrorism Center Through the JTTS that once again added value and clarity to the investigation and certainly just think about also the capabilities and the trip wires and the eyes and ears that are out there regarding reasonable suspicion and Suspicion of potential plotting and planning of a terrorist activities So already a lot of progress is being made a lot of success is being made and that's really just scratching the surface Obviously, you know when we develop these these relationships We continue to work with the intelligence community and I would be remiss if I didn't mention a Russ Porter Russ Porter is the director of Homeland Security and law enforcement For the office of director of national intelligence have a great relationship with Russ He's a former Iowa State police officer So he's leveraging the intelligence community Working very closely with us to ensure that that process also matures as we continue to move forward What we're doing also is looking to help enable this national network continue to sustain the effort Certainly provide a value and deploy the resource resources and assets that we need to do on a regular basis So I like to speak, you know for a moment about some of the field support that we provided Certainly the support what we're doing internally with the department regarding the nationwide suspicious activity reporting initiative And also I spoke earlier about the critical operational capabilities where we're going with that and also a little bit about analysis Regarding the field support. I believe we made a lot of success We're up to about 70 forward deployed personnel to the field We have the country broken up into regions considering it's growing and we need more regional directors out there So the footprint is virtually in every fusion center right now. So that's a good news story Also, we will continue to enhance our capabilities of the right leads to connectivity We now have 51 centers connected to classified systems along with of course Leo risks and Hison the homeless security information network. We're providing a significant amount of training regarding privacy civil liberty civil rights the Analyst you I spoke about centers of analytical excellence. We're trying to build that capability With the federal government and the fusion centers. We certainly have a very successful technical Assistance program where we along with the federal government and some of our partners with the fusion centers go out to the Fusion centers to build those capabilities as it relates to analysis and connectivity and clearances and the like to make sure that they're all at a level platform and Additionally, we're working very closely with community orientated policing staff the cops office and also the Bureau of Justice Assistance as it relates to grant funding. You'll notice in this past year 2010 the language was strengthened and we're pretty optimistic that we're going to continue to strengthen that language to ensure that the Money that's being applied is applied to mitigating the critical operational gaps that have been identified Regarding the NSI I mentioned before what we're doing within the department About a year ago the Office of Intelligence and Analysis took over that initiative for the SAR program So under the leadership of Dave Sobchak a former Chicago police officer who now works with INA He's leading an effort within the department to make sure that we have the capabilities to receive Suspicious activity that we have the capability of connect to connect that they are all properly trained and aware of what the indicators and warnings are And that furthermore we have that analysis partnership Here at the department to be able to build that capability Analyzes information as it's coming across the systems and then provide reports Which we're starting to do as more and more information is finding its way into the shared space So I think we're making a great progress in that regard Regarding mitigating the capability gaps the critical operational capabilities for the first time last summer We actually visited every fusion center in the country In partnership with the fusion center directors the FBI and certainly DHS to measure each of those critical operational capabilities So right now we know where every fusion center stands We know if they're ad hoc or if they're defined or if they're institutionalized throughout the country And what we did in the fall September October November and into December We've developed a short-term mitigation plan that we worked very closely with the program manager's office For the information sharing environment to start filling those gaps and building those capabilities. So once again working very closely with the directors We're well on our way to do doing that and right now I'm waiting for the results of a survey that was sent out to see what successes we had in meeting and filling some of those gaps and Working with my staff and also the FBI We're building a long-term strategy to ensure that it's sustained along with Performance management along with exercises. So when somebody says yes, we filled the gap We'll be able to exercise it to make certain that they did indeed fill that gap And once again, I mentioned the grant funding to assist them the fusion centers in filling the gaps So you see it's all interrelated and supportive of one another. I mentioned a little bit about analysis Once again the partnership with the Bureau is phenomenal Tony Placido who's now retired we built a great relationship with him with the DEA about the analysis to make sure that Our production plans are aligned with one another that we're providing value and timeliness and relevancy to provide Operational and actionable information to the front lines in the field and they get that information As fast as they can. So I believe we made a lot of progress developed a number of new products one of which was developed at the In partnership with the itag g the interagency threat assessment coordination group called the snapshot and really what the snapshot is It's a document. It's about five pages long It's in a PowerPoint format that comes out within 12 hours of an incident and they've come out after Faisal Shazad The Moscow bombing and others so they can get situational awareness and Provide value to their partners as it relates to what happened where when how it was executed What were the tactics techniques who may be responsible and maybe some preventative measures that could be taken if it reveals itself within the homeland So once again, I believe some progress has been made in that regard also I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention some of the partnerships that that we have I'm very fortunate that the partnerships that I still do have With all of the major law enforcement and Homeland Security agencies I could pick up the phone anytime anywhere and have a dialogue with them And it's great to see the support that they provide on a daily basis I want to call out one in particular because they they they do have on their committee Every major law enforcement and home security organization and that's the criminal intelligence coordinating council And that's led by Ron Brooks of San Francisco and Mike McCleary of the Las Vegas Pd They're true partners. They're forward-leaning. They're action-orientated And they're really committed to this effort in partnership with the federal government and for that. I'm truly thankful What I like to do is close with really where I began and once again, you know challenged myself and my team Which I do every day. Are we doing enough? Are we leaning forward enough? Are we partnering enough and being transparent enough with our partners so they know what we're doing? So once again, Ozzie, I really appreciate this forum to provide an opportunity to illustrate to each of you What we're doing on a regular basis and I would challenge you also, you know Whether you're a private sector or you're meeting the requirements of the systems that are being made, you know State local and tribal. Do you believe that you're doing enough each and every day and certainly our partners within the federal government? Because the bottom line to all this is is a young state trooper Which I was at one point in time and for that. I'm thankful is out on patrol and Writing tickets, which I was very good at and they're very good at So you picture a young state trooper on I-95 just outside in New York City Which connects Connecticut to New York City and he stops a car for doing I don't know 80 miles an hour and a 55 mile an hour zone Pulls that individual over make sure the car is you know safely placed on the side of the road puts that Stetson on the purple tie Approaches the car license registration insurance card. You were stopped for speeding and they're very observant troopers So they start looking around the car They may see a drawing on the front seat may see a timer in the back, you know in the glove box when they retrieve License registration may see a propane tank and some wires and all those things Individually possessed are not illegal and even you know in the car. They're not illegal But put together you would have something that could have happened on May 1st in Times Square with Faisal Shazad So that's really what this is all about This is plan a there is no plan B and there shouldn't be a plan B This is a national network of fusion centers and something that I believe you know needs to be enhanced needs to continue Provide the value added and it's certainly institutionalized So I know I said a lot, but I hope I've given you a sense as to where we were Where we are and certainly where we need to be in the future And I really look forward to hearing the back briefs on the panels They're going that are going to follow me and I've looked at the list, you know the individuals who are on the panels I'm not going to mention by name But there's some people on those panels who have played a critical role And others in this room who built the foundation for me to build upon over the past two years So I just really want to thank you all for your attention and Ozzie I'll be more than happy to take any questions anybody has Great. Well, thank you very much We appreciate that and they can't we love having you over here because your remarks are always So substantive and the detail you provided about what DHS in your office is specifically doing is refreshing because usually a lot of big Handways in this town that we wanted to again do information sharing but drilling down and showing exactly what you're doing is just you know Incredibly worthwhile to the dialogue. So with that said questions and answers I think most of you know the CSIS will we have microphones around the room when you get the microphone Please state your name and your affiliation if you have one and questions only no statements And then we'll let mr. Johnson go address them to the first one right here And you have a really big name tag mitzi so the microphone is right behind you Thank you. I'm mitzi worth. I'm with a naval postgraduate school. I'm a social anthropologist by training. So I come to this from Looking at how people behave what you're describing to me sounds like a major cultural change in behavior Because when I came to town if you were in the intelligence community If you had information you held on to it because information was powerful How how do you build this trusted? Network, how does the woman in Arizona who noticed that? This fellow was taking pilot training. How how would you pick that up today? And is are there any changes in the personnel systems that reward people for sharing? It's a great question over the past three years. I've I thought I knew a little bit about the intelligence community I didn't know nearly enough about it I really admire what they do and really how they share that information because they have that trust in the systems and the Accountability and the clearances to be able to share it safely and what you mentioned I was guilty of that I ran the narco units from New York State and that information was a close hold and nobody would ever see it and it Probably impacted on other opportunities to solve a complete organization as it relates to narcotics Smuggling but having said that I think there's been a lot of lessons learned regarding countering terrorism Nobody wants to sit on any information at all that could be related to preventing a terrorist attack So I'm pretty confident that that that progress and that passage of that information from a young woman making out an observation and Meeting the functional standard finding its way to the fusion center is getting to the JT TFs And I think additionally a lot of lessons learned are being had and it's also breaking down some barriers regarding Narcotics and weapons to get that information out also in a timely manner. So law enforcement as a whole can benefit from it regarding accountability Within the troopers we actually called it out as an accountable thing in their performance appraisal That if you weren't cooperative and sharing you wouldn't be rated as high and that's also true within the intelligence community So it is finding its way into the training the accountability and some of it is generational but it's all about leadership to and setting the standard and holding people accountable to those standards Don good microphones right to your left On Lauren the Thank you for your remarks part and thank you for the service to the nation that you've provided for these years to follow Mitzi's question and draw that out a little bit while we've made marked improvement since 9-11 And certainly in very recent times in sharing of information and intelligence What would you consider and that in part is due to a lot of your efforts What would you consider the three largest remaining challenges to the sharing of homeland security? Intelligence and information that we should put on the burner print burner and look at solving okay, I Think one of the things to prevent is complacency to ensure that We communicate very very effectively to home and security and law enforcement Personnel in the public It's where I started the conversation regarding Operating under the premise that they're still here attack with little or no warning and continue to illustrate that that will enable Sharing so that's something that we need to stay sharp to I think also the budgets are very very critical right now It's it's creating a lot of opportunities quite frankly to maybe collapse some of these information sharing systems and really provide very value-added as it relates to Overcoming some of those obstacles. I think also we need to continue to build the trust in the relationship I still don't believe State local and tribal capabilities assets and expertise are truly understood within the intelligence community and other pockets out there not through any nefarious reasons, but just because lack of awareness and Just funny mention it. I spoke to David Shed yesterday the deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency About coming over to see him in three weeks and his leadership team his homeland team to start having that Conversation because David is a true believer and leader in this regard when I worked with him at the old ODI Okay, that's let's go over in the front Microphones coming from behind you there we'll get the red tie next Thank you for your Closer Samira Daniels of Ramsey decisions. I've had the benefit of being in the national security law community for the past five years and The thing that I am a little bit surprised about you know, there's a kind of a magical sense of information sharing and I'm just wondering and the reason I say this is because information sharing I Mean that's I think what people are pretty good. They gossip they you know and and and you know They're bad habits of mine that have developed and I just wonder if in the process of Information sharing whether you have outside You know input, you know, it's That is really, you know goals to the heart of critical thinking which I have seen in the Evidence, you know case building is it's still a week Just just to comment to that um, there's a lot of information sharing going on my in basket Probably right now when I go back on my blackberry about 50 messages of that information sharing But what's needed more is a little bit more focus and requirements Why are we sharing with whom we're sharing and really what the value is of sharing that little piece of information? To enable law enforcement to act upon it and I think that's something that we need to address and focus on Because a lot of the young analysts they have to access maybe about 50 different systems with 50 different passwords And to pull it all together and I believe through technology and requirements Maybe we can neck that down a little bit for them to focus on really what matters Okay, the gentleman over here in front Burgundy tie Part I have two questions and robbery go with missions concepts But I also was the former director of the state and local fusion center program Number one are the results of the baseline capabilities review from last spring going to be made publicly available That'd be number one and then number two What do you think the effect of the wiki leaks is going to be on information sharing as far as is there a Potential chilling effect because we've already seen this week a member of Congress that You know sort of poo poo the whole idea about need to share so I'd like to get your thoughts on both of those items sure Rob Regal was part of that foundation that I was talking to that. I've been able to build upon so thank you for that Rob Regarding the critical operational capabilities. Yes, we have a document that is releasable and you know I just point you to Joel Cohen, you know get your hands on that. It's not a problem at all Secondly, it's a great question. I had the same concern with wiki leaks and it's you know The entire information sharing environment shouldn't be Penalized on the activity of the nefarious activities of a young man overseas So could it have a chilling effect? Could people use it as an excuse not to share? Yes, certainly they can But the good news is is that we're fully engaged in that process the criminal intelligence corning Counsel is aware of it Russ Travers is actually working now at the White House from the National Counterterrorism Center And he has the right mindset to this that it can't and shouldn't diminish the information sharing to keep Information from the people who could have it but having said that we need to improve the training the accountability And also the systems that are carrying that very very important information Next question gentlemen over here Rob MITRE SETI Bart What is your vision for incorporating the private sector private sector CIKR in the future infusion centers? We're doing a pretty good job at that with the federal government But we need to do a better job in that regard So my vision is to enable the fusion centers and I'm pretty confident that they know What the critical infrastructure and key resources are and they're our responsibility? So I don't want to do it from the inside the Beltway I don't want to be responsible for sending that information out to CIKR I want to empower and enable the fusion centers to be doing that and that's you know That's based on their knowledge their expertise and it gives value added to them Also because they know better than just about anybody what the vulnerabilities are sitting right there with them I believe Dawn Scalisi. She's a deputy undersecretary has done an excellent job in The products that are created for the secretary and the leadership are now being shared with the components And they're now being shared with the fusion centers and now they're even being shared with private sector So we're doing a lot better in that regard and we're pretty optimistic on the way forward Any other questions, you know, I have a question that when I get a lot and I think it's be great coming from you Is a lot of folks when they talk about the function of the fusion center The the JTTF's come up How do they work with the JTF DATDF's and some folks that are not supportive of the fusion centers are actually Use that as a critical stick and I don't think based on your comments and also what I've heard. That's true I believe it was actually good coordination. Can you can you describe that or expound upon that? Yeah, sure The fusion centers particularly in New York State are really value-added with the Joint Terrorism Task Forces I had the opportunity to work with a Pete Ahern John Pikes, Joe Billy, some of the brightest minds within the FBI Regarding that relationship and the New York State Intelligence Center had a great understanding what they were to do and what they were to do were to be those eyes and ears of front lines the Information shares the awareness for the front lines the interaction with the field intelligence officers to get that information to the system and Sitting at the NICIC was an FBI agent So they had full scope and awareness of everything that's coming in the JTTF's also had the right to first refusal So if a tip came in they would look at it and say hey, you know, we're gonna take this one This looks like something or hey, Colonel Johnson. Can you keep this one? Run it a little bit see where it goes and then we would go back to them and say hey You do want to take this one and then they would take it so and the JTTF's are investigative and yes Some intelligence through the figs, but but the the NYSICs and the fusion centers of the world are intelligence They are not investigative and they are not to be doing investigations instead of the JTTF's so to me It's very clear Great, thank you for that any other questions gentlemen in the white shirt right here Thank you tip Clifton. He's put analytics you mentioned the issue of information overload About how one of the answers is to focus on the requirements to hopefully choke down the information And information overload isn't just happening here or the fusion centers happen all the way out past He says out in the hometown arena What can we be doing at the federal level to help out in the fusion centers and out beyond the fusion centers into The hometown arena to help folks with that flood of information In this context can you define hometown arena for you mean like the general public Okay, all right Once again, I go back to the information needs and requirements. What is going to help a young state trooper do their job better? And to me to do their job better. It's really about the indicators and warnings of terrorist activity What the new type of drugs are that are out there when I was in the city of peak skill there was something that came on the scene called crack and that crack Revealed itself during the early 80s and I actually stopped the car and saw us stuff And I didn't know what that stuff was until my partner says hey Bart. That's crack So how do you get that type of information out to have a better informed law enforcement officer a better aware and Aware with all to who do you report it to and once you report it the confidence that something's going to be done with that information So it's all about requirements and not to speak for local law enforcement, but my relationships with local law enforcement Yes, they do have the same problem and the same solutions that apply between the federal government and the fusion centers are now going to Cascade down to help assist in that regard also Great any other questions out there in the audience Going once going twice well Bart once again, it's always an honor and a privilege to have you here We appreciate your stubs of remarks and and hopefully we'll do some good work for you guys today and you get some good feedback So a round of applause for mr. Johnson