 Nation has always been an issue, but one of the one of the proposals was to call them the Grangers Which was both a reference to the farm labor movement and Red Grange And I always thought like that's just a great name. I'd love that. I'd love that name The Grangers. Yeah And it just sounds like a college name, you know Nobody didn't read about Rangers people of a Grange Yeah, well Red Grange was just the guy's name the Granger farm movement. I actually don't know where that name came from Because that you know Rangers. Okay, got it Grangers. I would initially say like oh of the town Grange But I don't know what that means Grange insurance Of course, you're gonna sell you insurance. It's great An employment of the Department of Agriculture Shocked by the ignorance of sound agricultural practices began an organization the patrons of husbandry to bring farmers together for educational discussions the The organization was divided into local units called Granges Okay, that doesn't help me what's a Grange well a Granges it's sort of a meeting house Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, there you go. Then that's it. That's what that's what it comes from. So the Granger Yeah, it's sort of it's it's a non-church affiliated Place to hang out with got it. Okay Yeah, the stuff I learned in the For some reason I'm a Grange enthusiast, I don't know why there were a lot of granges in my hometown Wow, I had never heard that before really you never heard of it It must be like a well, I'd say small-town thing but Tom would be like yeah from a smaller town than you maybe a California small town. I don't know no because it was very every town had a green Your thing was popular in the in Illinois. I guess we just stopped using the word. Yeah Grange never heard of it Never heard of it. I've heard the word. I just can't say Your local grains and meet a friend Wow a farmhouse without buildings one of the Association made up of farmers The DTS Grange Isn't it you know what the DTS Grange I like this. Yeah, well, this is a jumping off point of something Our patreon is essentially the DTS green that is actually it is. Yes. Yes Like like the Facebook page is the SMR podcast Grange It that you would be correct If you guys have not had the opportunity you would not believe the conversations that go on in that Facebook group It never ceases to amaze me. It's good stuff Well folks are you about ready to do a show I got techniques to talk about Let's do this. Yeah new new listeners to good day Internet We break half halfway through to do another show called Daily Technic Hold on to your Grange hats. Yeah, everyone to sit down in the Grange and pay attention I'm a good old-fashioned Grange Sarah could I get you to read line three today? You could Will I though? I'll count you well. All right. Here we go three two Gary s has supported independent tech news directly for five years We like Gary become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTN s This is the Daily Tech news for Friday January 25th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane From Hoth aka the North Coast of Ohio. I'm Len Peralta and I'm the show's producer Roger chain Also frigid frigidly near Len Peralta is Rob Dunwood co-host of the SMR podcast joining us today Thanks for joining us Rob. Thanks for having me. How's everybody doing today? We are good. Are you warm? No, I am not I'm a little warmer than I'm Lynn But just a couple decrees above zero here Well, Sarah and Roger and I will or sent some California warmth your way and try to get you some hot tech news today Awesome get everything going. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Nokia announced some new North American carrier deals among them cricket Which is an AT&T and BNO is getting the Nokia 3.1 plus Verizon is getting the Nokia 2.1 And up in Canada Rogers will carry a Nokia phone Although that one is yet to be announced the 3.1 plus goes for $160 and is six inch 14 by 47 20 18 by 9 LCD display has a rear fingerprint reader a dual rear camera system and Android 9 pi with two years of updates. Not a bad deal It's the first us availability and notably switches from a MediaTek Helio P22 system on a chip to a Qualcomm Snapdragon 439 SoC Developer till Kotman solves slash worked around slash cheated depending on how you view it Google IOs conference puzzle to reveal that the event will take place between May 7th and May 9th at the familiar shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, California Kotman didn't actually solve the puzzle. He found the dates in a since deleted JSON file associated With the event that was not the intended solution though, but Google has confirmed. Yeah may 7th through The Zigbee Alliance which oversees Implementation of the Zigbee wireless smart home protocol announced that Amazon now has a seat on their board as a board member Amazon will now be able to quote drive specification development requirements and test plans and quote Amazon currently sells the eco plus and ring home alarm systems that support the Zigbee protocol Makes sense for them to be on a board like that. I guess they do a lot of home stuff Strategy analytics reports Huawei finished Q4 2018 by increasing its market share lead in China from 20 to 25.7% Year over year Oppo held on to its number two spot though Vivo moved within a couple of tenths of a point and Apple moved in front of Xiaomi to take fourth for the quarter in China. However Only Vivo and Huawei raised their number of shipments year over year in China Apple declined Xiaomi declined Even Oppo declined, but they they still were able to shift around market share Let's talk a little bit more about the great unification movement, Sarah Let's do it the New York Times reports that according to its sources Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Perhaps you've heard of him plans to unify the underlying messaging infrastructure across Instagram and WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger all of course under the Facebook umbrella They would all continue to work as standalone apps But would add end-to-end encryption and allow for encrypted messaging between the services The unified messaging infrastructure will reportedly be ready by early 2020. I have questions What are they sometimes when people say end-to-end they don't necessarily mean end-to-end and Facebook Messenger does not currently use end-to-end for business reasons Which I would like to know how they're going to deal with that if they want to provide the advertising level and service level on their Bots and stuff they're gonna have to change that so lots and lots of questions Obviously, this is sources say even though Facebook is is acknowledging That yes, they would like to do something like this They're they're being very vague because they're not ready to announce something But all if all of those questions were answered sufficiently. I'd I'd be very pleased at end-to-end encryption I would also have questions about how permissions are granted to share between the services Especially between WhatsApp and the other two services Curious Rob if you have any of these same or different questions Yeah, well if they do this it would be big because I think that you know pretty much earth outside of North America uses WhatsApp religiously And you know here we're kind of on a little bit of a little bit I message a little bit of what's up a lot of bit of Facebook a Lot of bit Instagram, but if they combine all three of these You know, it's it's gonna really challenge in my opinion just SMS, you know texting I mean I was talking you know with my co-host on you know my show We don't really text anymore, you know Usually when it's when we get a text it's from somebody who we you know, no does not have WhatsApp or have Facebook You know, I'm kind of for this but you know time to your point. How are they going to do this? They're saying some things that mean something Technically that you know, I don't know that they're ready for yet So it'll be interesting to see how do they actually pull off into end encryption that that is what is curious to me My eyebrows raised to that Yeah, devil's in the details on that now. I know on the SMR podcast you were saying that the school That your kids go to is dropping SMS and and what I don't remember if WhatsApp was was a part of that replacement So so yeah my school system they use a system and I just drew a blank on the name of it but essentially it's you know, you put your Your telephone number into it and you know teachers in the school system can notify you What's going on with the school reminds you of when your students have Test or you know important assignments that they need to work on and I believe Verizon is Raising the price fairly substantially on how much it costs to actually use this system from a SMS standpoint So they just decided to just drop Verizon and they will not they will no longer deliver messages via SMS through Verizon and what the Company is basically saying is that well we have an app And we can deliver through email as well So just use that and you know the discussion on you know on the SMR podcast was you know Are we getting to the point to where? SMS is pretty old tech You know, can you feasibly get around doing things without using SMS and I think the answer is yes Because you're seeing that you know, this is you know, it's a pretty popular application a lot of school systems use it And this company is just saying you know what we have an app most of her in most of our parents have downloaded the app We don't need to use SMS any longer. Yeah Facebook settled a class action lawsuit in the US back in 2016 over accusations the company knowingly let children run up bills on Parents credit cards and now the US based Center for investigative reporting has obtained the sealed court documents from Facebook That show staff discussed what to do with Wales as they called the high spending children And termed the issue friendly fraud Stuff put together a policy to require children to reenter credit card details when buying in game items But it was never implemented Facebook's official policy was to give free virtual items but not refund the charges because they didn't want to take the hit to the bottom line It's part of the settlement of the case Facebook agreed to dedicate an internal queue to refund requests for in-app purchases made by US Miner so you can get refunds now Keep in mind though one thing that puzzled me as I was reading this and I could not find an answer Facebook doesn't allow people under the age of 13 to make accounts. So this was this is trickier than it looks because you could have friendly fraud where People are basically using someone else's account their parents account to get around the age limit and then making purchases and That violates the terms of service. So It's it it sounds really bad the way Facebook discussed this especially because it was all about the bottom line But they could have taken a higher road here and said no, you shouldn't be allowing your children to use your account They didn't do that though Some of the terminology is Confuddling to me if that's even a word because we you know, we're so familiar with things like, you know God God view, you know with uber, you know, where people go like well, you can't call yourself God Don't call children whales Even if it was an internal thing when that gets leaked out that tends to become a sensational part of the story You know, it's sort of like I don't know. I mean, what why was that a thing? It it makes very little sense to me even though What's the underlying issues is a lot bigger of an issue Yeah, I'm in the camp that I don't really trust Facebook feigning innocence on pretty much anything going forward, you know You know anymore It's just it's hard to believe that they don't know that this is going on They they know and they know that a large segment of their users are kids under 13 and they just kind of let that slide They should have done something Before it got to this point is you know, just just just be a good citizen and fix these issues Apple ran into the same issue in 2013 and put in controls and said, okay We're gonna, you know, we're gonna provide refunds and we're gonna put in speed bumps to make it clear Because a lot of times children using an app don't realize that a certain action cost real-world money Which is part of the reason that you're not supposed to use Facebook if you're under the age of 13 And again, I'm not saying I give I let Facebook off the hook or give them the benefit of the doubt Because they didn't do what I think they should have which is confront this by saying hey We shouldn't we should be discouraging children under the age of 13 from using Facebook instead They sort of blinked like well, we know you all do it, but how about some virtual items so we can keep your money Like that's just that's just be right right. Yeah Alphabet's deep mind subsidiary using an AI system called Alpha star Finally lost to a human opponent. We don't hear these stories very often Grigsers mana comics. I'm definitely butchering your name, but congratulations after beating professional Starcraft 2 players in 10 consecutive matches lost to a human Alpha star was limited to a human level of clicks per minute But was able to view the whole map at once rather than manually navigating Common day tours noted that the AI showed exceptional micromanagement of units and was able to direct three distinct attacks Simultaneously giving it something of an advantage. Now the first 10 matches were streamed in December with the final human win Streamed on January 24th. Yeah, Starcraft 2 Something that is much more difficult for machine learning to learn than go right with with go or chair or anything like that It's turn-based. So, you know, okay, I will make this move then they will make a move Starcraft 2 Everybody's doing everything at once So it is quite an achievement for an AI with reinforcement learning and and what they said was about 200 years Worth of experience to be able to play at this level. They're not beaten champions. They're beating pros But they're not necessarily the best players at Starcraft 2, but it's still an achievement Also, I don't know they the fact that it was able to see the whole map at once The developer said well, they can only look at one part at a time But according to the reports it was able to like deploy units in three different locations simultaneously, right? So that's It's something a human could not do I'm just glad that a human won because I want this person to basically train people When Scott and that takes over that that's that's what I'm looking for people who can actually fight the terminators. Yeah You know in the future I am I'm a huge Yeah, I'm a you know, I'm a huge fan of this game And you're right This is not that it's not the game that's going to be easy for a computer to learn the logic and then just do stuff Because this is one of those games to where you can do something really really stupid and it shakes your opponent And they don't know how to respond to it. Yeah, it's just completely illogical thing to do in the game So I'm just I like I said, I'm just glad that we have humans who can beat Skynet. That's I'm always a fan of There's hope for the future. So thankfully The BBC reports that many Spotify users have noticed artists like Bergenulo 5 Brat night DJ bruge and Dublin night show up on their playlists The problem is people had never heard of these bands and didn't know how they got on their playlists Songs from these unexpected artists are short with fewer. No lyrics. They have generic cover art Sometimes it's just the name of the band short nondescriptive song titles and little or no presence anywhere outside Spotify The songs often show thousands of plays though the users don't recall ever having listened to them These mystery core bands as they're being dubbed started showing up in October 2018 around the time that Facebook revealed its login tokens Have been breached. So some people have been theorizing. Maybe that's what's happening But it also was a month after Spotify started letting indie artists upload their music directly So it could just be something related to that Spotify says many of the artists have been removed for abnormal streaming activity But they deny that this is linked to the Facebook access tokens You know the upload part of this. Okay, you could you could say he's probably you know Maybe something that had to do with Spotify relaxing its terms, but it doesn't really account for all of the streams by users well Yeah, I mean the idea with the tokens would be that if someone had your login token They could sneakily get into your account and then have a bot automatically play a song a bunch of times to run up the counts Then cash the check that they get for all those plays across a bunch of a different different accounts But if Spotify saying that didn't happen users aren't really saying that that's in their their Play logs. Yes. No, that's what they are saying. They're saying it's in my log, but I never played it Well, okay that changes things Yeah, yeah, but it sounds like there's some funky business going on on on the back end and We interested to see the conclusion of this. I don't think this story is over I wonder if there's something with the indie artist uploading that allows, you know, there's some some Some vulnerability in that uploading system that that's being exploited to where they can they can fake Plays from accounts without actually having to have access to the accounts because the other thing is, you know Facebook says it revoke these tokens Spotify says no it's not these tokens and You could do so much more with someone Spotify account than just run up a few plays you would think that we'd be seeing other Things being done if these tokens were still out there and still usable So I feel like it's not the tokens, but it's some other vulnerability That's being accessed and the coincidence with the indie uploads makes me think it has to do has to have Something to do with that. Yeah, also, I was a big fan of Bergenulo 5 before they sold out Universal music I'll study by MIT's Media Lab found that Amazon's Recognition systems for facial Analytics showed difficulty discerning the gender of female and darker skinned faces compared to competing solutions from China's Meg V IBM and Microsoft now the study specifically found that recognition misclassified women as men 19% of the time and Darker skinned women for men 31% of the time in comparison Microsoft's facial recognition had a 1.5% error rate in the same instances Amazon told the New York Times that in recent internal tests using an updated version of the service the company found No difference in accuracy in classifying gender across all ethnicities Yeah, Amazon also pointed out that they offer facial Analysis, which is tell me what kind of person this is and facial Recognition, which is tell me if it's this person tell me who this person is sure exactly, you know And this is facial analysis. This is like tell me if this is you know, tell me what kind of person that we're seeing in this photo I think that Big part of this goes to just diversity of the teams that are actually working on it. Mm-hmm if you have more Women of color Working on the system. It's probably going to be better at detecting women of color If you have more women in general working on the system, it's going to be better at detecting women so I think that you know, there's probably a diversity play here and we know that you know, the Silicon Valley is not necessarily the most, you know, diverse place on the planet I think that they're making strides to get towards that But you know, I kind of wonder if you know, if you start to see the dev teams on the back end change if you'll see different statistics on the front end Yeah, I think that's that's that's extremely good point because what does a woman look like? Well, you know, depends on who you're talking to so the more Diversity you have within the folks that are they're building out programs like this the better and it's not magic It's not because you put diverse people on it suddenly magically the AI gets better It's because the bias is introduced in the way you train Usually bias is introduced in the training data set where you pick a data set that reflects an unconscious bias It's not that the people do it on purpose. It's that you know, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna train this on a bunch of photos from my yearbook Right if I did that You'd have a very white data set because my high school was predominantly white people So if you don't have anybody who notices that Then you don't you don't have a very good training set And if you have a more diverse staff developing there are going to be more people who go wait a minute I'm Indian. I don't see any Indians in this data set. That's not good We we need to we need to recognize that because you will bring your own set of perspectives to that And it's important when creating the parameters for training and AI to make sure that you're avoiding any of these unconscious biases right The latest issue of the journal science contains the results of a study of fake news on Twitter during the 2016 US presidential election Conducted by scientists from northeastern Harvard and the University of Buffalo Among registered voters on Twitter the peer reviewed study found 1% of individuals accounted for 80% of Exposures so a very small number of people were sharing the most of this stuff 0.1% Accounted for 80% of fake news that was shared The median super consumer of fake news sources that is defined as the person who like Consumed the most fake news a lot all the time every day the median super consumer had almost 4700 daily exposures to political URLs in general as Compared with only 49 for the median panel member so to translate that Those who were being exposed to the most fake news were also being exposed to the most news While your average person only saw 49 URLs all together and very little fake news for people across the political spectrum Most political news came from mainstream media now This is not to say there isn't a problem, but this is the kind of stuff I've been waiting to come out to say hey We know there's a problem how extensive is it because that informs how much effort should be directed and where it should be directed Rob do you spend a lot of time on Twitter and what are your thoughts on this whole fake news? so I am not a big Twitter user but it I Kind of think that you know the folks who are looking for you know political news I mean it kind of makes sense that if you really are the you know The type of person is just looking for all the news the occurrences of stuff This fake is going to be higher for you, and I think that that's kind of what this is saying So it's I'm not necessarily shocked that the numbers are kind of shocking, but I'm not shocked by the trend by the existence Yeah, I I think this points out that this problem is overblown It's not that it isn't a problem It's that I think a lot of people assume these numbers would be 50 70% when they're 1% 0.1% And that means this should be an easier problem to take care of This is this is something where a few targeted things. You don't need war rooms You don't need like huge panels I think you and this this journal actually offers a few potential solutions to help reduce this closer to 0 And the closer you get it to 0 the less effect it's even potentially going to have I'm still looking for some good studies to come out and they're being done about what effect This kind of thing had but the fact that these numbers are low means okay I feel a little better that this problem is potentially not the end of the world Yeah, I would agree because you know when you actually listen to News organizations talk about this, you know It sounds like it is just Armageddon with fake news coming at you and this is I mean there's a lot of it out there But clearly it's not nearly as bad as I think that what a lot of people make it out to be yeah According to that according to this study if I may venture close to being outside of technology Perhaps the problem is not fake news Accidentally persuading people to do something they didn't want to do But people not agreeing on what they want to do and what they want to believe in And maybe that's the area we should focus more of our efforts in is fostering discussion and understanding Versus spending all of our time creating a war room to clamp down on something that is a 1% problem, right? Just I don't know. I'm probably crazy But crazy It's a good thing to go into our weekends Something to that, you know foster discussion You know talk through your issues as compared to you're wrong in this I can absolutely see that because it's like I think that there is a market for fake news and that market You know, they know how to find the people who are interested in it. I'll be honest I felt like Facebook has been chasing headlines by trying to fight fake news with all their efforts rather than Saying hey, you know what? We're actively studying how to foster quality discussion although to be fair They've said that too, but I don't see them having a tour of a war room to foster quality discussion As a press event and I would like to see that Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Also, thanks to everyone who participates in our sub reddit submit stories and also vote on others by your peers Daily tech news show dot reddit.com. We're also on Facebook do the same thing there hang out with your buds at Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show and we got some great Response to our story about the big 4k display for classrooms yesterday. Let's check it out in the mailbag Yeah, we did first one comes from Justin says I'm a middle school teacher in Houston, Texas Hello, Justin my school district has put Promethean active displays in almost every classroom They're only 1080p not 4k, but a similar product to the Dell model multi-touch Passive style I good stuff. They do come with some software, but I don't use any of it in my classroom Windows 10 has a lot of touch support built in and you can do a lot with it without needing extra software Love the show keep up the good work. Tyler added I'm a technology coordinator for a very small rural public school district in Ohio Just very apropos for today. We're about 900 students total kindergarten through 12th grade I wanted to give a little information on the largest play touch panel market that Sarah had said She thought the panel seemed kind of expensive. The price is pretty on point though We're currently paying a little over 5k for ours We're currently purchasing clever touch branded because of a point Patrick brought up That was in yesterday's show and that software the ones we're purchasing run a custom version of Android That's our needs better. How it used to work before these touch Panels were in every classroom would have been ceiling mounted projectors hooked up to the teacher workstation Then a touch board that was called a smart board smart makes a software package now that was called smart notebook Previously that was amazing several years ago However, they changed their pricing model to a subscription only and made the pricing way too high to justify yearly costs Finally to Tom's point. None of these would have ever been in any classroom Tom's point that these wouldn't be in every classroom rather is actually kind of wrong We're currently replacing five of the smart boards with the clever touch panels every year and more if we had many leftover in our budget at the end of the year and Yeah, so a couple good little perspectives on what teachers are actually doing in the classrooms. Well, and I love this too because We had people in the chat room as we were talking about it saying like no classrooms gonna afford this and I love that the rural public school District in Ohio is like, oh, yeah, we can afford Yeah, we can put them in almost every classroom, right exactly and like and didn't say this is not expensive They acknowledge that it was but that well, we're still using it because it's important Yes, there's a benefit to it. And I mean just think about that. They said 900 students from K through 12 Yeah, I wasn't just the high school So, you know, so yeah, if it's expensive But if the school like that can do it there must be some benefits to using this technology And the guy in Houston's like software who needs it windows is great The guy in rural Ohio is like, oh no, we use the software So there's always different opinions and different reasons for for doing things different ways I loved hearing these two different perspectives. That was awesome. Absolutely. Thanks guys Let's check in with Len Peralta who has been illustrating today's show. What have you drawn for us today Len? You know today's image is I could do more With this idea department I Love the Spotify story this week Today about the I wouldn't I know if you'd call them fake bands because they're real bands They just nobody knows how they got on the list. Yeah, we don't I know I don't know fake news Right fake friends But I what I wanted to do if I had the time and of course we only have a half an hour I wanted to draw every one of those bands burger new low five brought night Digit gruel and Dublin night But I only got to do burger new low five. So this is my interpretation of the burger new low five You can listen to the newest release whether you want to or not including Willy Wonka and a leprechaun I'd love to do I'd love to draw a brat night. Wouldn't that be hilarious? This is definitely one I need to have It's like a concert poster for you know, I yeah, I definitely want to do more of these so maybe along the line I'll be I'll be drawing the rest of these mystery core bands Well, all you mystery core and especially you burger new low five fans Be sure to head on over to Len Perl to store.com. Yeah, go to Len Perl store.com get the bring it to their show Have them sign it. It's gonna be awesome. 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That's perfect Which which is which is where what's between Cleveland and Columbus that is like a cool music venue There is none. Yeah, there really isn't there's there's some porn fields Okay, but where are they playing? they're gonna be playing in Sudbury, Ohio, which is about Yeah, that's about as in the middle of nowhere is you can get Yeah, it is it is I thought they were gonna be playing on a bus driving up and down interstate 71 Yeah, it's the it's crazy. It's the Brot Fest, what are they called Brot? Brot night. It's all five bands bands on one bus Yeah, and you just have to follow them from Columbus to Cleveland and back now when you say Rob That it's in the middle of nowhere. I mean is it in the middle of nowhere. Is this a cornfield fun event? Yeah Yeah, I would imagine that there are some still cornfields left if it's in Sunbury, Ohio I mean there's nothing there. It's you know I am at the northern tip of Columbus. I'm as far north as you can be and still be in Columbus Yeah, Sunbury is like two three exits past me So it's about a half hour from here, but there literally is nothing there civilization stops Five minutes north of where I'm at in Columbus I know Sunbury because my car broke down there on the way to Columbus one time. Is that is that why? Yeah Oh Sunbury residents, I'm sorry. It's okay. You're more than lens break I I heard they were trying to get the Ashland County fairgrounds, but The fee was too high Yes, you know Dublin night they asked they were they were well, they they they asked for a lot and You know, they they they expect a lot from their venues. So, you know, that just that the Ashland Fairgrounds wasn't gonna work. It's too bad. They couldn't do it down on charles mill lake Sounds like you might be looking at a google map or something Stop No All right, that sounds like one of those lakes where you actually like pay 15 bucks to go catch catfish or something But you know, I'm waiting actually until the summer Bria fairgrounds Show which is gonna be great It's Dublin night dj brule Brought night and headlining burga noodle five which You know, is it the burga noodle five or is it just burga noodle five? That's a good question as far as I know It's just burga noodle five Yeah, nobody wants to get the burga noodle five messed up, you know as that historic moment where people were chanting Free the burga noodle five And also, you know, the uh, burga noodle five fans are militant about it much like talking heads fan Free the that was actually my first idea was to have someone yell free the burga noodle five and someone like Listen on the spot if I go wow these guys are really hot. I can't decide if it's brat night or brat night It's brats. Yeah, I've heard brats Yes, yeah You know the reason I know this is because the first time I ever went to wisconsin I think I told you guys the story. I was like the brat stop. That's so funny. It's for kids that are brats and they were like No, it's the brat stop So, yeah, you know, I'm I wouldn't be funny. Wouldn't it be funny if brat night were actually like a polka band, you know Brat night is have your brothers come on in five eight-year-olds who play polka They're brats and there's brats. Yeah, and you're deep fried butter I'm gonna create into it. I'm creating a playlist that only has stuff from these four bands Please share it Yeah, so I want when I open up For my run in the morning that says hey, there's new music go to album So yeah, brats. Brat night's new release man. Some of these have been removed though. So that's that's No fair Good night. I am really curious as to what bergen olo five sounds like now Bergen olo five is the one that really sounds like a band, right? Brat night has got the weird brat spelling dj bruge br u e j that that sounds like it was made by an ai and Dublin night do you blin? That's just It's double in like well dj bruge would be from belgium. That's that was bruge in belgium. It's oh, okay Is he trying to be like cutesy though? I mean also being a belgium dj, you know, uh bergen olo night bergen olo five is a Armenian maroon five cover band stop it. Oh, I've got I thought you're I thought you were serious I was about to pee my pants You said that so dead pan I was like Oh my gosh, we were having so much fun after I thought you were serious. I'm like, wow, we need a title for dance for everything Okay, should our title be uh dtns. It's my totos africa. Yes All right, awesome name. I mean Hard to burt If I do say so myself, I'll go ahead. Oh man. Yeah, that was that was that was an excellent moment I'll go ahead that will be the title. I've given it to roger. Um be like gary. I think that's becoming a regular refrain Silly rabbit. Facebook are not for kids Uh, you should make a be like gary's shirt Friend fraud me on facebook No, you know, none of these none of these bands are on spotify man the electric bergen olo That's pretty good Everything that sounds vaguely like noodles makes me hungry. Yeah Lunch big plate of noodles sounds great I mean it is friday after all Oh that reminds me of the the um Um, what is it? I can't remember which kind of noodles they use but l and l uh, hawaiian barbecue sells Oh, it's I think it's simon They sell a a burger Or it's a beef patty with lettuce and cheese, but the instead of a bun they have noodles Fried noodles are they like compacted into a burger patty type? They're like it's like eating a burger between two uncooked ramen packs kind of yeah Oh wait, no, no, no, it's a burger with noodles on the Top of the bottom. Yeah the oh, that's even better Who would have a bun when you could have noodle buns? It's better than it sounds because if you're like, but I don't want to eat dried ramen I thought you meant it was in place of the burger. No, by the way, sarah, uh noodle buns was my uh nickname Noodle buns Hey noodle buns hey noodle buns come on you're up Biocao says he already has noodle buns, which is why he can't wear a speedo. So Okay, so it looks like you know what don't tell yourself short bio cow They cook the simon noodles and then they fry them So that they're they're not uncooked, but they they're because they're fried. They have enough cohesion I mean this sounds vaguely lotka-esque Um, if you you know that potato pancakes, um, I need it. I need it. Yeah, sounds real good I'll try anything once It's really good I mean, I'm I'm ready like There's not a lot of difference between the ingredients of noodles and the ingredients of certain breads. So Yeah Right. Yeah, you're you know, you're using the same kind of main ingredients to yeah It's not like you're making a burger and putting it between two Souls of a shoe or something, you know, no. Yeah. No. I mean who likes a good burger shoe. Nobody Why don't you wish you was my nickname? Hey burger shoe what is it noodle buns burger shoe come on you're up You're up. I will never forget burger shoe for stealing the lead singer of biblin night That was yeah, wasn't that the name of their first album? It was burger shoes And then they followed that up with noodle buns it was uh, and then they sold it as a two pack It was amazing So you you guys know how the internet works, you know, someone's going to make a song in the next Oh, yeah, right. Oh, absolutely. I love it. I can't wait to hear it. Oh, dude, you know, We should make burger new low five shirts I'm trying to make a joke right now and i'm like it's not happening. It's not happening. It's not coming to me So good So good. Oh my gosh There's a uh, there's an instagram feed that I follow Uh, it's called Obscurist Vinyl And uh, what they do that sounds like a good one. Yeah, they create uh fake covers for um For uh for albums and uh, it's some if if you're easily offended. I wouldn't recommend you go and look at it But man some of them are funny Obscurist vinyl um, so is there a um A I don't know a hyphen in there or whatever because i'm looking at it and I can't find oh, uh, let me let me find out for you okay Like maybe like a underscore vinyl type thing. I think I'm sorry. It's obscure obscurist Vinyl vinyl Obscurist, okay I actually I want a t-shirt that has the burger emoji the ramen emoji and the number five on burger noodle five I love it. Oh my gosh Well, this is funny. Len. This is a good one. I know immediate follow Not worse. Yeah, perhaps off-color depending on who you are, but yes We're looking for a fun friday afternoon activity get on to here I wouldn't recommend if you are easily offended that you would go check it out, but yes I Yeah, you're right. Some of these are they're good They're offensive, but but they're good offensively good Oh my goodness Yes, it's not for the weak of heart 18 and over. Yes, we'll just leave it. We'll leave it at that The thing is I missed the url, but I hesitate to ask Oh, oh, it's uh, just send it to me in the slack. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm gonna have delayed reactions I was busy creating my burger and noodle Uh emojis, you know, that's the next shirt. That's I'm telling you. Let's see. You got it for me. Thank you, Nick Oh, there it is Oh my yeah, okay Oh my They are they are very realistic They are they do a great actual albums that I own until I read them at first I thought they were like they were just grabbing stuff and it's like no, they're actually creating these The rose and doll brothers for instance I can't I can't I can't deal with this Mm-hmm Okay I have some real albums that that could slip in here and you would never even know they're that weird You know that well beyond that there's a there's an album on here by the guy named Benedict Cravens Who's um pretty amazing pretty amazing art on that album? I remember There's a Rodney Dangerfield album cover on here that I think is just a real Rodney Dangerfield Yeah, that's what I Goodness they do a good job photoshop. Good job. Good job guys. Yeah Some of these are they're quite good Subtle and also not subtle They're subtly offensive In the best way possible And we're unsettling going to end our video now. 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