 It's just gonna be really confusing to them because literally people can't even differentiate between a fob from Asia and Asian-American in a larger like middle America sense Asian representation does affect all lives because essentially if you look Asian whether or not you're born in Asia You're raised there or you're raised in America. You're born and raised here. Welcome everybody to the hot pot boys We got David Andrew Nelson Chan in the building. Hey, we finally got hot pot for the hot pot boys talk about some hot topics You know the studio is great, but sometimes you got to take it to the source Hey, very excited because we're here at Dalong Yi one of only two locations in America to hot pot change straight from Sichuan One of the best hot pots in the world guys. So today we got two spicy topics for you over the spicy broth The first one is pitting Asians from Asia versus Asian-Americans on how much to care about Hollywood representation Basically, you know, I'm not saying, you know, everybody feels one way or the other But in recently there have been some high-profile Asians born and raised in Asia saying man Asian-Americans Wow, whatever. I do guys even care about Hollywood. I don't care. I don't care about appropriation I don't care about any of this stuff. You guys aren't even Asian based on that I just want to say I'm so tired of seeing on TikTok that Asian Americans telling a white person or a black person Or anyone in general, that's not Asian to stop culture appropriating our culture Let me first of all you Americans like if you go to China if you go to Hong Kong, Japan Yeah, you look like us, but you're American and that of course is causing a lot of Asian-Americans to clap back and be like Hold up. Why why do you get to put that on me? You don't know our struggle, etc We're talking about thousands of comments from Asian-Americans on the Internet's going against these people topic number two We're talking about China bands Of course, you know, it feels like we're talking about China bands last week China bands this week Certain headlines go more or less viral. This one happens to go really viral It's called China bands sissy men on TV. All right So what we got to do is actually we're gonna talk about what that actually means and if it's actually true And if so how true? Yeah, no, do you know where the other Dalong Yi location is in the US? I mean in the other big Asian community the 626 and Gabriel So yeah, hey guys, by the way, we're about to get into this food before we get into those topics Dalong Yi only exists in New York's Chinatown and say Gabriel in the 626 Which is like Emily's new Chinatown basically guys very excited to cover these topics over some malabra, but let's get into it Let's eat Now that we got some food in our belly We got to talk about the first topic and we got to get into this because there's a lot of Asians from Asia They're stepping up and this was sparked by a tick tocker who came out and they made this video Kind of saying essentially like she didn't care about appropriation guys It's all about appreciation that anytime someone wears like a Chinese cheep how it's a compliment culture is meant to be shared Which I agree with CK Lam, but she basically said that Asian Americans don't have any right to police Asian culture because they're not even Asian right which is the thing that sparked Thousands of comments and then other people kind of came out of the woodwork going. I don't care about Shang-Chi I don't care about Asians at Hollywood Hollywood's a white system made by white people for white people I just only like watching Japanese Korean Chinese movies. I don't care about any of this I do want to say that and it sparked an internet war You know, it's funny this debate is actually not super new though It's always happened where there's always kind of sometimes been this riff between Asians in Asia and how they feel About people appropriating the culture. They don't take as much offense to it Maybe it's because they're in Asia and they have all the Asian media representation All the faces are out there while they're just like yeah, we have our faces out there Why we don't need our faces here only if they're good No, what is your major takeaway on this riff because we're talking about thousands of comments on both sides I would say maybe more overwhelmingly on the Asian-American side, but still it's a debate I think it's fair for them to individually have those types of beliefs and thinking You know, I'm talking about the Asians in Asia because you know me living in Asia for like two years I noticed that you know the Asians over there who tell me or talk to me like they don't it's not like they don't care about what happens in America or about Asian American culture, but You know, they more so kind of focus on you know What they want to do in Asia or what is important to them in Asia where I mean, I guess it makes sense to them But at least at the end of the day, I just hope that you know, it's not we're not asking them to support us But no, at least they can't they shouldn't go against us. Yeah, I think at the end of the day We're still all Chinese. We're still all Asian like, you know, don't hate on each other I think the one thing here that Everybody needs to understand is that Asian representation does affect all lives because essentially if you look Asian Whether or not you're born in Asia you're raised there or you're raised in America You're born to raise here a lot of us look similar. So on just a looks basis it does affect everybody and that's Representation across the board now I do feel it when people say hey culture is meant to be shared and we've talked about these topics before about people like Remaking Asian food and stuff like that and I do think generally if it's done out of respect and shown appreciation and They acknowledge the history behind those foods or cultures or clothing or whatever it is I think it is up for brass right because culture does get shared a lot of people even in Asia They're using Western culture as well. So basically are you guys saying the These I guess people Asians from Asia that are going against the Asian American woke movement They have a valid point or they have a valid perspective They have a valid perspective But one thing that a lot of them are overlooking is the struggle that a lot of Asian Americans go through and we've all Been through it of like kind of fighting for your identity here because you're not you're a different looking American I think that they're just born into like Imagine we're like trying to navigate our way up a house to the highest level of the house, right? They're born in a completely different house than we are we're born in like the Western house which happens to be run by White-looking people right sure and they're born into the Asia house and they're just navigating that so as Asians are trying to Got stuck at the bottom of the White House for a while in terms of representation and they're trying to work their way up Some people are saying well I grew up in the Asia house I completely don't care about our struggle rising up that white ladder basically right and they're actually being very They're just succumbing to self-centered human nature They're not necessarily making a crazy read or a crazy wrong or a moral read But it is a little selfish yeah, because obviously we are born in the Western house We can't jump to the Eastern house and some people say oh Why don't you just be like Daniel Wu or Jay Park and go over there that opportunity is not available for all of us No, you kind of did that you hop back to the Asian house to go like if it's that easy everyone do it, right? Spicy a lot of cheese stuff. Yeah, you guys see this is why this is a dangerous food video to do right now. Okay, no, yeah Yeah, I mean I that's why I got to give a lot of respect You know to Asia and like the culture and the people in Asia because you know They gave me an opportunity to do something with my career over there in Asia You know living in China playing professionally in Macau, but that's why I have to show love to them and show Love to you know, met Asian American culture in America, too But it seems like they don't necessarily feel the same way about showing love to Asian American Exactly because like they should because you know a lot of you know fobs or you know Asian people Move over to America to you know start whatever life they want to do like Like they shouldn't hate that because like their cousin could be like no living in a like America like doing what they do So like yeah, I see some some hypocrisy in saying that in America because as you can see in the comments People are like well this this woman who's saying this is in America right now So you're Asian in America so of course to be honest you probably should care a little bit about how you're perceived I'm not saying everybody got to go watch the movie Shang Chi like three times or you don't even have to watch it But I just don't think that you can you can tell us that we're wrong for it because basically Asian Americans go through their Own identity struggles and have to struggle growing up here while the Asian from Asia get to come here as full adults with their full Identity already and then just be like oh well you guys are confused. I will say this Um, I think that they're valid in sharing their perspective. I don't think they should be silenced They're getting like 3,000 comments against them right now. Maybe um, I Wouldn't be one of those people like leaving them hateful DMs. I wouldn't bash them I wouldn't bash them, but literally they're being super self-centered because they're completely Unconcerned with this house that they're viewing because they're not necessarily like Nobody's basically caring about anything that doesn't impact their own life because they feel like their identity set Obviously a lot of Asian Americans. We're not even very good at our parents language You know, maybe just you know one out of ten two out of ten three out of ten level of our own fluency and our like mother tongue me and it's like How can people from Asia judge that but in the same way? I do see their cringiness at some Asian Americans being like We made it where it's like no Asia has had a ton of content locally for those domestic markets in language Or Asian American films that aren't approved by a major studio for quite some time So I actually do think that these people whether it's William Lee or CK lamb interestingly enough both from Hong Kong I don't know. What does that say? But I see whether they're coming from they're talking about the cringiness of like Asian Americans acting Like we've never been anywhere or don't have anything until white people validate us Yeah, but so actually there are some valid points on both sides But ultimately I'm more siding with the Asian American perspective But there are some valid points on both sides. Basically the Asians from Asia I feel like they feel like that makes Asians look weak and they don't want to but my thing is if you move to America You want to understand American culture, right? And part of American culture in history is Asian American culture in history So we have to acknowledge that and by acknowledging that means you acknowledge the identity and the possible ups and downs It may go through or the lack of understanding of that identity from other people So I'm saying it's this whole larger thing on a simplified level I see what they're saying, but I just think that they are not thinking about it deep enough to be honest And that's my and not only that if we're really gonna see movement on this guys it's gonna take a whole team effort like we're gonna have to get on the same page and Even agree to disagree tacitly like internally just to move it forward in the big picture because outside people They're not gonna understand all this and it's just gonna be really confusing to them because literally people can't even differentiate between a Fob from Asia and Asian American in a larger like middle America sense listen if William Lee or CK Lam or any of the other Asians from Asia would have said you know what we all need to be like Bong Joon-ho and come up with like 10 20 parasites That would be a way better way to come up. I would agree with them But not only is that incredibly difficult and unlikely, but number two. It's just um, they didn't make that argument Right, I mean they were kind of like using as an opportunity like dump on Asian Americans who they see are in a weak position because a lot of Americans don't consider us American a lot of Asians don't consider us American So we're getting disavowed by both dominant teams. Yeah, so it's almost like you get put on special teams You're not on offense or defense for any team you join you go back to Team Asia They try to put you on special teams you you know I mean in NFL you want to play offense or defense You don't want to be stuck on special teams So it's like I feel like we're getting relic they're trying to relegate us back to that role as we try to rise up now To their point I do think that sometimes Asian Americans have a cringy View of like self-identity that doesn't involve looking backwards to Asia and learning the motherland language and the history And I would agree that that's wrong So I think both sides got to do work, but at the end of the day guys We're still in this transition period where we're almost like figuring things out. No, what do you think? I mean as somebody who's you were born in Asia Yeah, and you've seen both sides, right? Maybe even some people in your family are kind of on the more like I don't care about representation side It's obviously you are trying to get roles in Hollywood or you know, basketball movies and it matters a lot Right, I just think like it doesn't matter where you're at. Everyone has their own eight beliefs and you know understandings but and perspectives But don't tell what other people how to live their life or be how they should be you know based on your you know Perspectives and beliefs and like at the end of the day Just gotta stop hating on each other if anything we should be uplifting together You know whether like I said it might take time it might be it might go back and forth But at the end days like you shouldn't Tell people how to live their own life Especially if you're like across the country like you don't really understand our culture Obviously, it's fair that we don't understand their culture as much But that should help that should tell us to learn about each other more right instead of just like bashing on each other Especially I feel like we are ABCs or Asian-Americans that even though we're pretty American we understand the International culture well like better than most American born I just think that both parties should learn about you know each other's and it sounds crazy And it sounds like we try to like tie it up with a nice bow But that's literally what has to happen like people have to do work There's gonna be no figuring out this rift by just like talking about it People actually have to go learn about each other No, you got to go to Da Long Yi hot pot in New York or six to six you guys We're not gonna argue our way out of this, but in a very Confucian way and we can learn our way out of this All right guys, is this shrimp cooked? The shrimp pasties yeah, the shrimp paste and the clams the clams were like a 10 out of 10 No shrimp cap. All right guys moving on to our second topic as we finish up the hot pot We have to talk about the headline that's going crazy China bands sissy men Now that's the headline it's going viral, of course for a number of reasons. It's causing a lot of controversy I mean let's just say this a lot of conversation a number of people sent me that article in English obviously I can read a little Chinese not very well, but I didn't read any of the Chinese articles But I did it you know it sparked me to do some research Yeah, so we had to do a little bit of research and I encourage you guys to do your own research on this topic as Well to get clearance because it sounds confusing you're like Oh, are they banning just sissy men and that sounds very very harsh actually There's a misinterpretation of this Chinese term yang pao so um that term actually in China has multiple meetings So it actually that was sort of like some of the phrasing used in state media But um in the actual like I guess like rulebook they got handed down they don't use that language Okay, so the reason why they are banning a bunch of stuff and this is not the only thing they ban They had a lot of other bands on like vulgar celebrities They put a ban on like internet celebrities that are showing too much wealth. You can't make it rain anymore We cannot make it rain they don't want to show ways on this obviously they kind of banned certain levels of mook Mukbongs or mukbongs So because they didn't want that to influence their population now What I'm trying to understand that China is doing is like they're trying to like set up the next generation To carry China through and in their belief which a lot of people obviously disagree with is that they're coming down strict and kind of like Kind of censoring certain imageries for the youth especially right now How strict are these bands and what is the actual punishment? I don't know because at the end of the day guys if your parents tell you hey You can't go out to that party or you can't date girls or guys guess what you can still find the right No, I think 28 things got banned. Yeah, like literally there was a gigantic list and of course In terms of like I guess the presentation in the Western media We're only gonna get like a few of them the ones that you know Sensationalized news are good that we find offensive in the West the most ones to get the viral hits I mean, what do you think in general? We're not talking about any specific ones But what do you think about just like the bands in general for them to try to have like a cultural rejuvenation? I think that they're just kind of thinking about the long term of how media affects people now one of the things that kind of like the Chinese government is trying to avoid is this crazy worship of celebrities because there has been some celebrity scandals pretty bad ones recently obviously with very popular guys and it's kind of like well Do you want to let these idols become so popular and then honestly? They turn out to be negative people and that's gonna be like a Chris Wu type situation Chris Wu's type situation was bad and it was almost like well If all these people look up to Chris Wu and we let him have like unlimited power and unlimited influence And then he does something that it's gonna influence other people in a bad way now I think that is a somewhat simple way to look at a lot of human behavior But I think they're just looking at it in the long term and on a mass scale My major takeaway is that um listen guys I think when you look at a country like China and it's not a very spiritual country so there's not really like I guess a you know religious baseline for understanding a lot of things They're kind of like I wish they had a more organic culture So people would just sort of make the right decisions or the you know I who knows what the actual right decisions are that's very subjective right But let's say in my eyes the right decisions more organically But in any sort of instance where that's not available then the government has to come through with a law But it is a little bit like Letting your kid get fat and then saying your kid can't gotta go on a hardcore diet Whereas there could have been some more sustainable maintenance Previously to prevent your kid from getting fat to begin with you're saying they're kind of taking it zero to a hundred real quick And maybe that is a little unfair ideally they would have done taking steps But that's hard right slower escalation slower acceleration is more goal It kind of goes back to what we were talking about the band on gaming where it was like man Maybe I should have made a society more fun to begin with so people didn't even see gaming as like the number one option Now I think one thing that a lot of people are mentioning I'm gonna end off my point here is like a lot of people are like oh well Where are the parents? It's all up to the parents and the family to decide all this Why is the government stepping in now? Obviously China is a different society very different It's really different Chinese parents are very stressed out, you know with everything that's going on in China I'm not making excuses, but yeah, the government is stepping in and trying to help parent the kids. I Don't know. It's it doesn't look great. It doesn't feel great But I'm sure that there's long-term reasons for it. So no any final takeaways. I just think you know it's really hard for The overall consents to fix something or change something or like you know lay the laws upon something When it's already too late, right? You can't wait to it's the last minute where everything's already like f'ed up already and then all of a sudden All right, we're gonna do this We're gonna try to change this like you said from zero to 100 or 100 to zero like at that time It's already too late just to our first topic I think the Asian American identity is still very much in flux And obviously what is China's modern culture gonna be and society gonna be and how much a big of a role or government? Is there not going to play in it? It's still in flux. Yeah, man I just think you know China is a unique country for better or for worse and that they can actually implement stuff like this versus America There's no question. You're not doing any of this So even to like listen for example, there was like a more right-wing president for sure They would probably think of it, but the mechanisms wouldn't allow for the I don't think the American people would take it Yes, this was a dope discussion the hot pot boys podcast taking place at one of the best hot pot restaurants in the world I'll only last but not least guys. What was your favorite thing, man? I'm gonna go with the shrimp paste I thought the shrimp paste was a one. Okay aside from this plate of clams, which I definitely recommend you get Actually, those shit. It's gonna sound very ABC and American to me those cheesy meatballs They come up. They made their own cheese filled meatballs that you bought. They were cheese meatballs. Yeah, there was there was There's still one right there. There's cheese. There's cheese inside What's your favorite? I mean, yeah, I just I had one I had some of the beef man. It's just like so tender so soft Yeah, I will say the fact is Andrew they ship in a lot of their ingredients says from Sichuan from Chengdu So you know Chengdu Sichuan. That's how you know man. Da Lu Yi only two in America Like we said one is in St. Gabriel where we used to live and the other one is Chinatown, New York Where we live now. All right everybody. Thank you so much for watching that episode Make sure you hit that like button click subscribe Let us know if you want more of these episodes Also, let us know what you think about these topics because I think there's a lot to say and I know that maybe the YouTube comments I don't know. I think it's you got more characters to work with than a tick tock comments So anyways, let us know in the comments down below. I just I'm just glad there's a lot more news to talk about now days Guys, I could do this every week Hey Easy. Oh, I would eat at Da Long Yi every day for sure. 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