 Okay, we're live Vivian it is so nice to have you here and I can't wait to introduce my listeners and fans to you and your story. Before we do I'll just do a little housekeeping. Thank you guys for joining me if you're joining me live today. If you want in the comments tell us where you're from you can ask some questions. Sometimes I get so involved in the interview I don't get time to watch the feed but I'll do my best to kind of check in and if you see my eyes shifting I'm probably looking at comments so that we can bring you guys in if you're listening and have some questions. For some of you this will be a brand new topic and I am so excited to introduce it. Just background if you want to find near my blogs you can go to jillcarnahan.com all kinds of 10 years of blogs there all kinds of information on chronic illness Lyme disease inflammatory conditions mass selectivation syndrome, etc, etc. Today we're going to go to a little bit different level super excited about that. And if you want to catch this podcast or any of my other ones you can find them on Stitcher or YouTube or any of the common channels where you find podcast. So today I have my guest Vivian Rosenthal and I am so so excited about this today. She founded a phenomenal place in New York and is now expanding her reach and I'm really going to let her tell you her story but the cool thing about her is, she is a world changer she is someone who sees that what I've seen in functional medicine is we know supplements and diet and lifestyle has such a profound effect on health and healing. And I've done that for 20 years, I could do it in my sleep. The next level of healing is really going to take a spiritual awareness and consciousness and things like breath work and things like looking at our old childhood trauma and these kinds of things that really heal those patterns that create illness in the beginning. Now I'm not saying that you caused your illness, but in my own personal journey. I've noticed you know I've done the supplements I've done the IVs I've done all the functional medicine and it helps so much to heal my body and my mind. The next level that I went to was dealing with my old patterns of trauma my patterns of thinking, my connection with God and the divine and these places where we can go for healing can offer some of the most profound changes in our physical health. And that's why it's connected and why Vivian I have a very similar consciousness and also even alignment because ultimately we want you and ourselves to be living our very best life and showing up with light and love for the world. And welcome welcome welcome. I want to just start by, tell us your story you have such a fascinating story. And if you're willing to go back you told me a couple things about even your childhood that I think we're so relevant. Jump right in and tell us what kind of your background and how you got to where you're at. Alright, well first of all just thank you Dr Jill for having me it's such an honor to be here I really. I feel like just so grateful. So thank you for the opportunity to share a bit of my story and the breath work and what I'm building with frequency. And it's wonderful to meet all of you who are listening watching learning along with us. It's really a lifelong journey of learning. So every day I feel like is a new opportunity to deepen to deepen the listening and deep in the learning. So my, you know, I think my journey began. I came into this world, feeling very much of an alien here, not necessarily wanting to be in a body, not really sure why I was here. I was had a lot of anxiety as a child, more than really made sense given my upbringing, and I can now see. I'm looking back on my child self that a lot of it was actually past life, and that might be not everyone might believe in that and that's okay. A lot of it was past life. Some of it was this life. And, but you know it really took me to a place. I was gone as a child of having a ulcer and being in and out of the doctor's office and eventually needing surgery, and also sent me to the child psychiatrist's office because I was, I was really gripped by a lot of fear. I was having a lot of panic and anxiety. I grew up in Manhattan on the 11th floor, well first on the seventh floor and then the 11th floor and I wouldn't take the elevator. I was, I was really scared. So I got, I got to be known in the building as the child who walked up and down 11 flights of stairs every time. You're probably really good shape. But yeah, and so it was really it really started to take control of my life in a way that was very threatening. And to sort of my, my being in development. And so, thankfully, yeah, I had some incredible parents, teachers, friends who, you know, started to, to help me but it was, it was a pretty, it was a rough start. Let's just say, and, you know, I've since learned so much about why and we'll circle back to it but why I felt so, you know, uncomfortable being here in this body and this incarnation and And so I spent, you know, most of my teenage years and then college years and even grad school struggling with pretty severe panic attacks and a lot of anxiety and depression and I went to Brown undergrad, and it was really there that the panic attacks got pretty unbearable. And then they continued on in grad school, I went to Columbia in New York City, and got my master's in architecture, and it was, you know, it started to really define, unfortunately, who I was and I just thought, Well, I'm always going to be panicked I'm always going to be anxious. And that's just who I am right. I didn't at that point understand that the brain was neuroplastic and that we, you know, could actually really rewire and remember who we are and come back to a, a, you know, a more balanced version of ourselves and So I just want to say real quick and I don't stop your story but this is relevant to you myself and all the listeners because in illness and in whether it's mental or physical or anywhere in between and there's always a combination. We do so often identify with this thing. I'm a breast cancer survivor or I'm have Crohn's disease or I have Lyme disease, and it's so easy to get so enmeshed in that that that's like our subconscious will manifest whatever you believe right so then we become even more so we believe that we are, and so it's hard to get on that cycle so keep going but I think Absolutely add to that Dr Jill I mean my part of my identity became being like the anxious New York Jew right like I was like oh that's just who I am and then and then part of my identity became always being sick with gut issues and started to become attached to that victimhood right and then you know I think once you become overly attached to a story. My gosh well then you're just reinforcing that particular groove and and and really clinging to it right and holding on to the pain body and and it's so it just, it really started to spiral down. Let's just say, and, and then I sorry there's a really loud motorcycle, I'm in New York City. And so, you know, I, one of the things that happened after grad school I ended up starting a design and animation and technology studio with a classmate from Columbia. And one of the first things that actually really helped me with finding purpose. And when I found purpose and work that was the first time that I really was able to almost step outside of myself and my own loops. Yes, and that was like, that should have been a key, but I don't think I had enough self awareness at the time to know it but but yes that sort of crack things open and then fast forwarding. You know, I, I spent a number of years, really at the intersection of design technology and humanity. I ended up starting a tech company, then I ended up getting recruited by Google to run an incubator for them, which was an incredible experience. And then in some ways, fortunately, along the way, I got Lyme disease and like many of your listeners and many of us who've, you know, struggled with Lyme. It really kind of, it really took a hold of my life, and it was pretty physically and emotionally debilitating. And it was, I had it for quite some time before it was diagnosed and so, you know, and everyone it manifests differently. In my case I was, I was my digestion was completely shut down and massive amounts of fatigue and I ended up being hospitalized at the Mayo Clinic. And you know I had the battery of tests that you have when you're there for a week, and the various procedures and things and the real aha moment for me was, you know, they have you do a psych evaluation when you're, you know, there and, you know, they said, Wow, you're quite anxious and depressed and I said, Well, yes, of course. I'm quite sick and my life is on hold or it's kind of stopped and I hardly recognize myself I'm so anxious and depressed and I can hardly eat and keep down solid food and and there wasn't much support. I was given prescriptions for three different medications. And I was sort of told like, Well, here you go here's this cocktail of medications to manage your mood and pain and everything and it was a, it was very eye opening. It was very, very eye opening on Vivian what you're speaking to is our conventional I'm trained as a medical doctor conventional medicine Loyola University some of the best. Yeah, I still feel like it's the best medical system as far as reimbursement and all that but here's the deal. We're as medical students and residents were taught to use find a code that that gets the diagnosis, come to a conclusion, and then with that there's nothing wrong with drugs and there's nothing wrong with drugs. I prescribe all the time. They help so much. Yeah, totally completely agree like I want to make sure there's no shaming about drugs food. But but the bigger thing here is, as you mentioned, and this is so relevant to listeners because Lyme disease affects not just the body and the muscles and the mitochondria for fatigue but the brain. You see so often neuro psychiatric disturbances that go along with these infections and what a lot of patients don't realize is they feel shame about like, this is just who I am or I can't be any different. And the real truth is infections and toxins and all these things actually exacerbate and often create brain dysfunction. So it's very real. And meds can stabilize but then if you get to the root cause and again you're going to go on with your story of something finding some answers but it's so much deeper than just giving a med right and granted. What you saw was the limitations of our system which are good, but then there's more so where did you go. Yeah, and just to reinforce what you said I mean really medications really save save me and help so this is in no way sometimes we really need those. It's a pro not only helps my mind but helps my gut it actually right because it and the serotonin and those but it's it is this thing where I wasn't looking at the sort of underlying causes right a lot of my trauma a lot of my fears, a lot of the toxicity, you know, and and so it was it was, it was eye opening in the sense that I knew there had to be a more holistic way to to move forward which was met the medications in conjunction with other therapies and modalities, and then at some point in my case, I was slowly titrating off the medication but that was years later like I really needed the support of those medications so I want to, I'm not in any way putting medication down so I just want to be clear about that. And neither am I let's kind of want to say like there's no shame in that I was like you have a broken leg you need a crutch it's perfectly appropriate, while you're healing, and then from a functional integrative approach we can go to the root and say what's causing the differences. And while you're with using that crutch to heal we can get in there and try to do some work and then eventually like you said we can get off the meds if possible and and have this you know different. Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know I when I was there at the Mayo Clinic it was over my birthday in February negative 20 degree weather I was there with my father and it was, you know, it was a really low point and I said, you know if I get out of here I just want to radically change my life and I didn't quite know what that looked like, but I said to him, I really wanted to devote my life to mental health, and overall wellness, and that is essentially what happened I, I came back to New York City, and I found, I went to the Colu which is a beautiful retreat center up in the Berkshires, and I found Kundalini yoga. Yeah. And Kundalini is a, you know, ancient technology that uses a lot of mantra and mudras, and, and, and forms of yoga that everyone's more familiar with. And it really helped balance the mind and body and I came I came back to New York after that trip and I just dove in head first and started learning about the breath started learning about mantra and sound and ended up doing my teacher training over the course of a year a very extensive recovery from Lyme that really set me on a new trajectory. And, you know at the time I was really learning the breath and, and, and all this work, really from my own healing not thinking I was going to teach it or start a company, but you know life sometimes has surprises in store for us. And so, you know I, I initially, you know, had to wrestle with do I leave my, you know, do I leave my tech company do I leave this, this incredible work I'm doing at Google. You know, it turned out that I really needed to I needed to completely change my life. I'm not saying everyone needs to do that but that was just that was my experience. I really as as I deepened my practice I realized that I wanted to be not just having these interests in health and wellness and mental well being on the side but I wanted it to be my actual focus. And so that is really sort of how things were set in motion I ended up doing after the Kundalini training. I went to sound school and studying the healing properties of sound and vibration and frequency. And in that, you know, in that world I, I met a woman named Dr. Meg Poe who's, you know, like me was, was really sort of tuning into these other modalities of, of healing. And, you know, so we started really examining what does this is about it like what year ish I'm just curious about seven years ago. Wow. And, you know, and from there, really learning about what Tesla and Einstein, you know, had had identified which is that we're just all vibrating energy. Right and our frequency can be tuned up or tuned down like an instrument, right so you wouldn't go on stage at Carnegie Hall without tuning your instrument right and so. And yet we often just jump out of bed and, and start our day without tuning our instrument and so I became really fascinated with this idea of frequency and Penny Pierce who's the author of the book frequency writes about our home frequency and that's really that signature of the soul where we're in like a deep state of homeostasis right where we're vibrating at a really high frequency and, and, and we're less reactive right we know we have those days where we're in like a flow state. And people are just like wow you seem like really good and you're just like yeah I feel you know it's it's sort of this effortless flow. And, and you know obviously athletes talk about flow state a lot, but so I really started to explore what that was, and, you know, and that that was really the genesis of frequency. Wow, I love it so a couple things that come to mind that I think are so relevant first of all you just described like myself and I bet half of our listeners are more out there so often the suffering and the difficulties in these crisis that we come to. Make an easy transitional periods where God in the universe is trying to get our attention to say you know what maybe we should shift a little this way or maybe there's something else that's more it's like what else is possible right it's kind of gets us out of our comfort zone which is very uncomfortable I like being comfortable, and then into the space of thinking about things differently and I know some of you listening have been through your own journeys with illness maybe you're in it right now. And it's easy for us to say oh yeah just look at it look at the sunny side all that that's, we know that they're suffering and both living I have experienced that, but the truth is often in that suffering if you can find meaning and purpose. There can be an awakening that transforms your life in such a way that it'll never be the same and it sounds like that was really what happened to you. And I'm so grateful because now you are doing things I mean you were changing the world before, and now you're changing it in a whole different way. So tell us about what you created in New York with frequency mind and tell us more. Absolutely, I just want to say one thing to speak to what you just shared listeners, you know, I'm not all better right like I still have tremendous gut issues, I struggle daily with with a lot of chronic pain in my gut and things so it's not. It's not that suddenly it's like, Oh, I'm better. Everything's easy you know it's, but it's, it becomes there's I think when you bring your attention and intention, you know, to the healing and see what it's trying to teach you and offer you and I realized in myself that there was a huge abandonment of myself and of, you know, like the pain of being in a body and I, I had, you know, dissociated for a long time from the physical pain. And, you know, so there has been this great gift and learning, even in the recovery, not just from line but from a lifetime of, you know, gut issues and anxiety and whatnot so I would just encourage anyone listening to, you know, to not feel like there has to be this. There's always this sort of perfect moment of like, Tada, I'm healing everything's perfect it's like, no but there is there is this sort of new relationship that you can form with yourself with your body with your mind and and sort of bringing more self love more to it and beginning to unravel some of those old stories and narratives and beliefs. You know, and that is where it starts to get exciting is seeing how much of your day you can lean into, you know, that version of yourself the hologram of yourself that you are stepping into right that's the work that like Joe Dispenza talks about a lot and like so and and maybe start to see it with Yeah, with with fresh eyes. So that's, that's what I've been. Oh, I love that you're saying that because that's the truth like I come on here like I be cancer and Crohn's and some people may think that I have it all made and I'm great. I every day still have difficulties and I have days where we were just talking before this about you and I both having a day this week where we were like oh my gosh I don't know if I can get out of bed. Yeah, because I see me on video and I'm bright and cheering I love do I, but the truth is we all still struggle and I'm just like you. I feel like like the chemo from the cancer has permanently caused immune issues and fatigue sometimes and all that so those things I still deal with as well. So one of the other things I love that you mentioned I think is so relevant. I learned very early like you to kind of dissociate from feelings because they were a lot and one thing I think I don't know if this is true for you but it was for me understanding the highly sensitive person, and now some of us are born and we're like antennas to and light and sound and emotions and so we become so overwhelmed because we're so porous like we don't have great boundaries. And so because of that overwhelm at least for me I learned really early to dissociate into kind of go out of my body and into my happy place. And what I did was that created this kind of super human, you know, like I could just do anything because I could just not feel right. I was never sad I was never angry I just learned to dissociate from those emotions. And I could go and do and perform and do new projects and always this. Well the last five years what I call my awakening, when I started to do the work and started to be embodied and be in myself and let myself be sad and have compassion on the sadness or let myself be angry. I remember the first time I saw therapist five years ago or six years ago, and told her that specific therapist, I don't get angry and she laughed right like of course you get angry but I literally six years ago had no. I've said that too, we're very. So, but what I was going to say is what happens and now is actually now that I'm more embodied, I feel emotions more and it's way more of a roller coaster, it's actually I think harder than dissociating. It's harder to live in body day to day and feel because it's, it's, it's disruptive. I can't perform at that level and dissociate right. So I just want to, I think there's this beauty of healing and sometimes the healing brings with it, the tenderness and the vulnerability that we all live in and for me I feel like I'm not as resilient or not as like super human as I used to be, but I'm so much more embodied in life is so much better, but there is a trade off. Yes, my gosh that's so beautifully said I feel like I've said those exact same words it's wild. And it's very comforting and yes I mean I think this is it's moving into I describe it as like the soft edge of discipline I used to be like really strong and tough and muscle and so much discipline and just like push and push and push and and now I'm learning yeah to be in my body to not dissociate to feel all the feelings to recognize oh I do get angry I do get. I do have feelings like I, you know, so. And to allow us to rest right because when we're high performers and in that association. I remember years ago with Joe polish and seminar for professionals who were you know pretty successful I didn't feel like I belong there but he was talking about our workaholism and our perfectionism and all this as an addiction. And it really hit home because I'm like oh I don't do drugs I don't do out you know I didn't feel like I had any addictions. But to him him and his as he was telling all of us he was basically saying, any of you who work extreme, you know hours and that it's just associated from those emotions in a different way that society to society accepts and rewards. So it's very interesting to look at these things with a different eye and understand. Yes, and you're touching on something so key, and I didn't know this I wasn't, I didn't have the self awareness. When I started frequency to know this but I can look back now and there is a. It's in the gene keys it's called a genetic hunger but there's a, there's this desire, you know, force to fulfill that gaping, you know hole that so many of us have where we just don't have. We haven't been taught how to truly have self love and self compassion and to be embodied. And so we do reach for food shopping, you know, drugs, whatever workaholism, you know one click Amazon like it's it's there's so many ways to get these dopamine hits and what you know what I think is that we are a culture where a country that is constantly looking to fill that void through consumerism and consumerism again can be any lens of addiction right it could be social media and and you know what the reason I ended up finding the breath work to be so powerful is because I realized that it was giving me agency and sovereignty through this embodied feeling of self love that I had never touched before you know and and that I think is really what's so powerful about the breath work because even with you know the world of psychedelics and plant medicine which can be very healing but it's still something outside of ourselves and to realize that we have inside of ourselves, the most potent medicine of all the breath, which connects us to spirit it connects us to our body it opens our heart. It activates DMT endogenously in the body science is now showing like it is this innate beautiful potent therapeutic medicine that works physically emotionally mentally spiritually energetically right in Kundalini we have 10 bodies and when I realized like wow I have agency I have sovereignty I don't need someone outside of me a doctor a therapist a healer a guru to heal me like actually that will never fully fully work unless I actually love myself right I can take every supplement I can do every type of everything, but I was not wanting to look inward right it was I was constantly wanting to look outward. There was outer space instead of inner space and so you know that is the thing that I see over and over that's so empowering with the breath is that we all breathe right we come into this life with breath we leave this world with breath and every breath we take is a chance to really return to ourselves to be in that state of of presence of consciousness of awareness of self love. And from that place, really miracles happen right from that place. We can feel we can love others we we can help this planet we can do so we can find our purpose we can. We can realize that we're not alone in our journey so you know it's it's really been this like absolute sort of just joy to see how the breath has touched, you know, thousands of people now through frequency because that is one of the first things to say is like, Wow, I felt this deep sense of self love and joy and gratitude and connection, those are usually the words that people describe. And when we have that like you said go looking outside. I was also struck by you know I remember hearing a night so long ago someone expository. I'm very, I'm sure you are to a very spiritual person and definitely connected to the divine and prayer and meditation and there's a word that was used from God as his like and it's Rua and it means the breath on the other. And I love I remember like it being in tears when I first heard that and understood like, God is breath he is in our breath and like, I know I wanted to leave because I'm like, Oh, the Rua and the Rua is like the feminine part of God and it's the breath and I feel like as I've learned if we would mask in a feminine or attributes they're not a woman or male but in my life been very masculine driven hard driving you know all that kind of medical schools very masculine. And as I've embraced this more feminine, intuitive nature softer nature, more loving and more creative and again they both you need both equally. It's literally the breath of God that floats over the waters in the beginning and to me I was like, breath is God this is a this is part of so I don't know who you are out there where you are listening I'm open I'm I've always loved to embrace people of all religions I have mine and you have yours but the truth is God is breath God is part of this and it's so relevant I think to me because we have this greater purpose and power and it's accessible to us. That's so beautiful and actually that's actually part of my talk at this conference that we're both speaking in French and Latin you know the root of breath is l'esprit which is spirit which is God right and and actually to the old meeting of to inspire was to actually breathe inspiration to breathe God into someone or to breathe it into yourself to be inspired was to take in the breath of spirit of God of consciousness and over time we've lost that meaning of it but that's actually and it and it in spirit tricks is a Latin word which means one who breathes life into others and I realized I was like oh that is my Dharma that's my calling that's bring this spirit life force you know to people and so it's exactly what you said that and you know it's it's interesting because when when I do you know lead groups and individuals into the breath and through the breath. You know one of the first things they often say is this is one of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. And you know and and that is because it's it's often the first time that people feel that deep connection to the divine to the cosmos to God whatever to source whatever you want to call it in your you know that resonates for you. And you know and it's I think once we can touch that and realize that it we are not separate from that and in fact it actually is us we are a piece of that. That's when everything began to shift for me you know that's when I was like oh wow okay I I understand now like there's there's something greater than just you know myself and my trauma and my body and like working all the time. I can't still get lost in those loops of my work a holism tendencies and you know but but I think there's this there's this opening that occurs and so that's you know that's the potential of the breath and and to go back to your question you know for about 10 minutes ago. You know how you know this frequency was really you know it it it started off as this as this vision to bring the visual arts and the healing arts together. You know I'm not only an architect but I'm a painter this actually my painting behind me. I'm a poet and you know but and a sculptor I've always been in in this the space of art, and as an architect I loved crafting experiences for people. And so, it was really thinking about okay could could the visual sort of experience live with the healing experience and that is what we created with frequency so it's actually a geodesic dome so think back to childhood if you ever went to a planetarium. It's like a planetarium, except it's not like it is a planetarium except instead of seating. We just have sheepskins on the ground. And so you're lying down and like a child looking up with this sort of awe and wonder and joy at these beautiful three dimensional visuals that you know that we've designed and animated that really really important slowing down the brain waves moving out of that monkey mind feeling that that joy that you did as a child where you really feel like you're moving into the cosmos right. And so already just that alone begins to shift the nervous system, and you know shift brain waves and even before we get into the breath work and in the, you know in this in the psychedelic space that's what's called set and setting. And I, when I created this dome and the visuals I didn't know that term. This was a few years ago I hadn't heard of the term set and setting. I now understand what it is which is really like putting a lot of intention and attention and design into the set and setting, wherever you're going to do some type of inner work it could be meditation it could be talk therapy it could be breath work it could be psychedelics right like it could be so many things, but just, you know, having a space that is really designed from a visual perspective a lighting perspective of music and sound perspective, everything. It's like, right has been designed perfectly to hold that just like a womb has right a womb is the perfect environment. So, in that way we are creating this womb like space, this sacred space this divine space, and using the geometry, you know of a dome which is a sacred geometry which dates back thousands of years and has been used by many indigenous individuals as a, you know, as a space for ritual. So, so that was, that was really the Genesis was like how could the visual arts and healing arts cohabitate to create this more creative space where all parts of ourselves were welcome, you know, so it's not just the intellect it's not just body it's not just, you know, we don't have to decompartmentalize we can actually bring all of ourselves into it, and all of ourselves are welcome like all of the emotions are welcome. It's a really important piece. When did you do your first dome, and tell us just a little about the history of frequency mind. Yeah, so myself, and Dr. Poe and geo Israel. We first popped this this this dome up at Burning Man in. Well, I guess it was. Yeah. It was three years ago now I guess three years ago now. And you know it was. It was quite a wild ride I'd never been to Burning Man but everyone told me oh you need to launch the burning man so I just kind of did it all I was like okay I'm going to launch this and I'm going to go to Burning Man for the first time. And I, but you know there was a lot of people there who've kind of done everything seen everything. And they were all brought to tears, and they said this is one of the deepest most profound experiences I've had in the 10 years of going here. And that's what really gave us the inner knowing that this was something special that was worth pursuing back into quote unquote real world. And yeah and so came back to New York, ended up speaking to someone I had met at a conference from my world days in like tech, and he was part of the innovation team at Lou lemon. I'm not working on this concept around mental health, and I said I really feel like mental health needs to be de stigmatized even almost rebranded like mental fitness mental wellness. And so we can make it something we can talk about. And, and he said wow that's actually a real pillar for us we, you know we believe that we've been in this era of physical fitness right and and but you can go to the gym or take a million spin or doping and self loathing or depression or anxiety or trauma whatever it is and so we just started talking about how important, you know this, this idea of taking care of our emotions, our inner landscape was in addition to any kind of physical breakout. And so Lou lemon took a real chance on a really really early stage startup we were basically just a, you know, a concept that had done one pop up at burning man, and they ended up sponsoring us to bring a large dome to south by Southwest, that the last year happened before COVID. And it was just really groundbreaking. People, you know, every the conference attendees at South by Southwest were, were really moved, I mean just tears and tears and of both of both sort of you know a lot of emotion coming up but also joy right like it was all of the things and, and so again it was this like the universe saying like yes people need this people are ready. Actually they're ready to do this kind of group therapy. I mean that's the other thing is like what we found is people are saying, you know I don't just want another app where it's a pre recorded, right digital recording that like I'm doing by myself like people are lonely they're isolated especially with COVID. I think this desire for community and connection is is really big part of what we're doing with frequency so at its core. This is a type of like group, you know therapy. Now our modality instead of talk therapy is is through the breath, but it is, it is a group process, and that's been really powerful too and so, you know we came back to New York we ended up building this dome in Chelsea. I invite anyone who's listening if you live in New York or flying through New York or friends in New York please visit us. But we also have a live stream platform so we have teachers incredible teachers all over the country teaching live stream over zoom, and we're going to give your your listeners a discount at the end for 50% off the digital membership and you know I really really encourage everyone to try breath work because it's until you try it it almost seems like hyperbole like it seems like too good to be true. But it's really it's really it's really powerful deep therapeutic medicine. I love that and then the exciting thing is, through a really cool series of events by a mutual friend of ours who came out to visit you and was profoundly impacted. He wanted to really get you so one thing I do every year for the past five 10 years is this A4M World Congress in December I'm a faculty member so I do teaching for them in functional medicine. And you're coming and I'm going to be there teaching this weekend right in Vegas. Yeah, that's going to be really special and we're going to get to do a breath work session I think in the dome together because we're working. I cannot wait it is going to be my weekend. That will be really special and you know and I think it's worth just talking about, you know, some of the benefits with with breath work because what's interesting is it's like, there's, it's sort of like it, it meets you where you are there's an innate intelligence to it. Right, the same way like, you know, adaptogenic herbs kind of like, you know, doing multiple things simultaneously and we can understand that through functional medicine. The breath is similar right so on a physical level, right it's, it's, it's shifting your pH so it's alkalizing the body, you know it's, it's, it's stimulating the Vegas nerve bringing you out of fight or flight moving you into the parasympathetic. You know, it's reducing blood pressure it's slowing down brain waves. You know it's, it's literally on a physical level. You know one of it's just it's, it's incredible how many things that it can help right it helps with sleep it helps with digestion. It helps with addiction like so it's just it's really, it's quite powerful and then on top of it of course now therapists and doctors are starting to prescribe it for anxiety for depression for PTSD right. And so, you know I really want listeners to understand whether you're struggling with a physical illness that's very much rooted in the body, or whether you're struggling with something that's more of, you know, a mental health issue. I would encourage you to try the breath work because I've seen for myself and now for thousands of people that I've worked with that it actually works for both. And in a way that's very beautiful because it actually is aligning the two it's aligning the body and the mind actually really that the gut, the heart and the brain really like the three brains. It's, it's actually bringing into into resonance and that's where I think some of the deepest healing can occur because it's not doing it in a way that's siloed right and so, you know it's pretty phenomenal but I've had people, you know be able to release you childhood traumas that you know they haven't been able to get to it through talk therapy for years and then I've also had people with huge migraines and back pain who've had it help you know very physical things or seemingly physical things right that maybe also had an emotional component or spiritual component. And so you know it's it's it's important to recognize that it, it's working both physically and emotionally and of course it's also building emotional resiliency. And so it's helping us, you know just become a little bit less reactive in, in one of his books Eckhart told talks about he actually has a whole chapter on the breath, and he talks about how just three conscious breasts can completely change what we're say, think, feel, do, act right so you know if someone's triggering you or if you're just overwhelmed or about to type aggressively type that email or pick up the phone or you know whatever it might be, just bringing like that conscious awareness to the breath so we'll do three breaths together in one second but like that can create enough of a pause, right in the mind in the nervous system that we actually can shift out of that reactive state, and just start to actually move into a state of awareness of the presence of listening. And in that space. That's where the magic happens right that's where suddenly you can hear someone differently or maybe you express yourself differently and then they respond differently or, you know, or we can actually digest our food because we're not so anxious that you know we've shut down or digested before. Yeah, so there's just like it's it's wild how it can have this like real, you know, sort of domino effect of all the ways that it affects us from. Yeah, how we breathe before we try to sleep how we breathe before we eat how we breathe before we have a meeting. Yeah, many, many ways to use it. I love it so let's definitely do a few minutes you show us because we just a lot I have a couple minutes left. Before we get into that because maybe we actually end with that piece. You can find you at Frequency Mind and I want to just be a clarify because in my understanding they can come visit the dome obviously, and hopefully you'll be eventually getting domes and other cities I would love for you to come to Boulder. That's a definite that's how we're. Oh my gosh, so anyone in our area stay tuned Vivian hopefully we'll just see how that happens and I will do everything I can to support you. So you can go visit your dome and it's obviously I would highly recommend this experience, but you can actually go online and get a subscription to your trainers tell us just a little bit about that, and I'll be sure and link it's FrequencyMind.com right. Yes, absolutely so when you go on our website you'll see that you can either come take a class in person or you can take one online so we have live stream classes seven days a week with really beautiful heart led breath work facilitators so I would encourage everyone to try it. It's literally only $10 a month with this 50% off code so it's incredibly affordable. There's there's really like no reason not to just try it, you know and see see what it does for you, and it might it might just in fact change your life, you know. And I love like I'm so open to new therapies and things and with patients permission will often try things that have maybe never been done before, but my rule of thumb is, is there risk and benefit ratio rate. And what I love about this is, I don't know if you have any contraindications but I can't see any risks. Like you breathe right we breathe every day. To me it's such a beautiful thing because it's very very low and like you've mentioned some of the plant medicines and other ways that people get these kinds of experiences. This is such an accessible way to so many people that may not have access to some of the other things that are out there. Yeah, absolutely you know and I think this is accessible it's democratic it's universal. You know we've had, you know in the last two weeks, you know, people with disabilities who are in wheelchairs, you know, come in to the dome and breathe with us. You know we've had, you know, teenagers to people in their 80s. You know, as you said, we all breathe. We all take actually on average about 20,000 breaths a day. But most of us are kind of unconscious shallow breathing and when we shallow breathe we we stay in that fight or flight that anxious place right and so we stay in that loop. And so when we bring our awareness to the breath, you know, that's when everything begins to begins to shift and so I do love that you know there's there's really, there's really only benefits to breathing right and you can do it as gently as you'd like right so you don't have to dive into the deep end. You can also start really slowly and really gently with yourself and and build up over time. And it really is like something that you can, you can absolutely modulate. So in our last couple minutes you want to just give us an example or take us through like how would you teach someone to breathe in that way. Yeah, so I'm sort of in my mind I'm like which type because there's so many different types of breathing how many minutes do we have do we have a hard stuff at 430. No we can go whatever you'd like maybe like three to five minutes. Okay, so we'll do, we'll do, we'll do like one or two minutes of one technique will switch to another. And then just so you guys can all feel a few different things so we'll put one hand on the heart and one hand on the belly. And this particular technique we're going to do through the mouth this is a connected circular breath it's a two part breath. It's all atrophic re birthing it has many names basically we're taking it a lot more oxygen than we usually do and we're releasing a lot of carbon dioxide, which is incredibly good. It's imagine yourself suddenly in the Amazon like running through the jungle right so the body's just like oh my gosh thank you in the brain and, you know, so we're going to be breathing into the mouth, you want to be doing this sitting down you don't want to be standing up because you can get dizzy. So, please sit down don't be driving a car and don't be in water. That's really critical when you're doing the breath work. No cars no water. All right, I just have to say that I've been. So, we'll first breathe into the belly, then into the upper chest the heart and then release it's through the mouth so you can just do it with me and we'll just be here for a minute or two so it sounds like this. I want you to close your eyes. Beautiful beginning to find a pace or rhythm that feels comfortable by you to bring a small smile to your face as you continue to breathe. Beautiful beginning to see if you can find the grace the ease and the breath might begin to feel the energy flowing through the body, maybe some tingling or numbness in the hands. This is perfectly normal. This is a physiological response to the fluctuating oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in the body. Your body is really hungry for this extra oxygen so it's like a hose that has been all wound up all winter and suddenly the water in this case the breath the energy the spirit flowing through you so if you feel some of that dizziness or cramping or tingling in your eyes stay with the breath good see if you can really open that jaw taken 5% more oxygen, softening the face softening the eyes softening the jaw softening the throat. Beautiful everyone. Beautiful and we'll take one deep breath in. Take it out. Beautiful and we'll rest here in the stillness. And as we hold empty here. Just beginning to fear feel ourselves I might have conjured begin to awaken feeling the body starts to sense it's aliveness. The breath touch places inside of us that are often holding tension, stress, worry. Beautiful deep breath in here, holding at the top, bringing that smile back to our face and feeling the potential of connecting up through the crown chakra to the heavens to the cosmos to spirit and obviously through the root chakra down into the core of the earth and feeling this deep centering and being held in this space created between the thoughts between the breath, the space between the space and exhale. This mini two minutes just will close with the invitation to tune into your frequency in three words your inner landscape how are you feeling in this very moment. And as we begin to have this awareness have this consciousness of how we're feeling moment to moment. This is where we can start to feel this presence within ourselves. The unfolding of the self into the self. So we'll open our eyes. And Dr Jill and I can share our three words with each other but I encourage you to share those maybe in a journal or in a chat or with a friend. I'll just begin. My three words were, I'll just start with I am Viv, and I am love, I am light, and I am gratitude. Dr Jill. Oh, I love it. My first two are the same. I am love, I am light and I am transformation. Oh, beautiful. Oh, but I am grateful to you are such a gem, you are such a light to the world you are love and light. I can't wait to be in Vegas and experiences with you and so many other doctors that we're going to teach this. And thank you for being here, share in the chat and wherever you're listening your words, I would love to see that so please jump in and share. And thank you for all being with us Vivian most of all thank you for you for the work you're doing this is just the beginning. You have such great things in store for helping to change the world and heal the world. And I am so grateful that we have met and that I get to speak with you. Thank you so much and thank you for the incredible work you're doing, and just sharing your platform with me and all the other incredible people you've had on it and really helping, you know, co elevate and educate and just share all of your deep knowledge. Dr Jill you're really an inspiration. So thank you thank you and thank you for having me on and I can't wait to hug you in person and breathe together. Bless you soon. Thank you everybody for joining us. Bye bye. Thank you everyone. Bye.