 OK, then I'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. It looks like we do not have anyone from the public. So we'll move on to new business. And Kat, I believe you're signed up to do our monthly icebreaker. Yes. OK, I hope you haven't done this one before. We'll see. My question is talk about a character in a book who you feel either you see yourself in or you just feel a special connection to in someone. Have we done this one? Uh-huh. No. If you give me a minute to think. I need the rest of the meeting. I'm sorry. No, no, you start. Or I can pass to you. It's fine. Oh, we have two pages. Hi. OK, should I go? Yeah. OK, all right, well, like many people, I grew up reading the Anna Green Gables books. And I was totally like just saw myself completely in Anne, even though I had loving parents and a family and never mistreated Orphan or anything. But you know, I definitely identified as what we called the tomboy back then. And I definitely got a lot of plaque from the boys and always had to compete against them and be faster and smarter and stronger and, you know, just like Anne and Gilbert. But I also was deep down a very sensitive, poetic soul type person who communed with nature and named all my trees in my yard and, you know, felt the world very deeply. So, yeah, I'd always tell myself in Anne Green Gables that I really have enjoyed sharing with my kids. One of the snow days, we actually watched, like, the 1985 version of Anne Green Gables as a kid. It was very dreadful. Not as good as the books, though. Well, that was very much the character that immediately came in my mind as well. I also loved Anne Green Gables. The 1985 version is the best one. Books are better. I love all the books that you all haven't read. When she's an adult, read a lot on the equal side. Might actually be my favorite. But I will say Emily and Newman, the other folks by Ellen Montgomery, because I read those as well. I did not identify her with her quite as much, but I wanted to. Like, I wanted to be someone who wanted to write. I just never actually did. So I am with you on the Green Green Gables slash all other Ellen Montgomery characters. Just want to think about it, because I have to narrow it down, right? I've identified with a lot of characters in no particular order. Laura Ingalls appreciated Anne, but it just somehow didn't connect with me in the same way. There was a book, though, that I read in that general age category that I became obsessed with. And it's Wise Child by Monica Furlong. And it's a fantasy novel. Not a lot of people I've met on our own read it. But when I do meet that person, it's like, yeah, that's the book. So it takes place in the first century AD in England, where you get Britain, that island. And it's about a young girl who is figuring out who she is and becomes the hapless apprentice to a suspected witch. So it's just like the perfect book to me. And I identified with something, the emotional work, I guess, to the point that I read it several times since as an adult. There were a couple sequels. They weren't as good. No one's ever made a movie of it, and no idea why. But maybe that's what I'm supposed to be doing with my life is writing the screenplay. Wise Child. Wise Child. I'm looking for it on Libby as we speak. I feel like my dad and I really appreciate that. I was just looking it up to him. She was a misunderstood. Is this specifically children's books? What are the characters that you feel like strong connection with or see yourself in in some way? OK, so if strong connection is the threshold, then I'd actually have to say Annemarie Gables as well. Because it's the only book I've ever traveled for, and we're about to do it again. So yeah, when I was in high school, we went to Prince Edward Island, and we did all the Annemarie Gables stuff. And we listened to, it was my dad, my mom, my dad's mother, and me, so my dad's surrounded by all of his women. And we listened to the books on the way there, on the way back. And he made fun of it the whole time, but he announced at Christmas that this is the year we're taking Sammy to Prince Edward Island. So this summer, we're doing it again. So. You have no idea the depth of my jealousy. Like one dream untouchable for me. And it's the only book I've ever traveled for, so I guess I have to go with those. And I'm doing it again, so. But if you say Annemarie Gables too, this is going to be crazy. I can guarantee that one moment. I can tell you what I'm not going to say, but I still don't know what I'm feeling because of it. So thank you so much. All right, who's left? Yeah, I guess less maybe connection and more just other people seeing me as a character. I dabbled in archery a little bit. So a couple of years ago, I had an archery profile photo, and I had done my hair in a braid. And so I got a lot of Katniss Everdeen. I ran for quite a while there, but folks were relating each other for a character. Suzy, how about you? I know I'm still thinking. So like what that came up right away in my head was Ramona Quindy from the books. And because I remember just like tearing through those books and like really being able to relate to her in that young elementary school mindset. And I think now I'm a big Harry Potter junkie. So I made costumes for my kids. One year my daughter was Hermione and the other one was Radonigal. So we've done those throughout the years. And I guess as a teacher, I relate to Professor Radonigal in my class. So that's like two totally different characters and two different styles, but just where I was at from childhood to childhood, yeah. Can you narrow it down or do you have the pass, John? I don't look at a tree, so I wonder if you have it. Yeah, I can go. My first thought was not a book character. And I connect more to her by my book character. I would go with Hermione from Harry Potter. She was probably the first book character I truly related to. And that's why I keep going back to those books. But my first thought was not a book character. It was Lara Croft from the two writer video game series. I played that a lot when I was younger. And that was probably one of the first like heroines that I really, really related to and looked up to kind of in a way. So that was like my first real connection with the character. Hermione in books was definitely my supposed sister in books. Okay, I really got nothing. I mean, it's been so long since I read any fiction. In college, I read it when you were in college. And there's no characters I've been up with in that stuff. I loved the books. So if I were to pick one, it's from a nonfiction, but they're recently read. So it's not necessarily a character, but it's a person. I don't have to do that. But the book's called Option B. But the same Sandberg is it? We wrote Lean and Leader. Hi. Option B is a, it's a book she wrote about losing her husband suddenly. But her whole approach to how she handled that with herself and her family was as a person, someone. I mean, all the stuff I've read in the last year and a half look really regular to me because of just how she kind of approached life after that. So not a character I looked a meter ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, thanks so much for a great question. I will share that why a child is on the shelf in the children's area here. Do you want to check these things? When I move to a nursing home. I cannot be on this board if not. Right. Anyone want to volunteer to do this next time? Has everyone had a chance to do one who wanted to do one? I think so. But I'm happy to do it again. I'm happy to. Yeah, I can go to again too. I'm happy too. I'm happy too. Hey, let's put you down because you spoke seconds after me. That's all right. That's good. I'm not recurring. I think it's. Am I? No, I think it's this room. Oh, I don't. Do y'all hear it now? OK, we'll figure out that out. OK, so next agenda item, just a quick update. As a reminder, we're going to be holding board elections next month. And then the June meeting will be my final one. I'll be here while the new chair in place. And then hopefully after that, there will be a new member. So we will be voting for chair, vice chair, and friends of the Log Not Library Liaison. In my experience, these are pretty casual. Usually one person volunteers and hopefully the others agree. But we vote on each one. So I just wanted to share to be thinking about if you are interested in one of those positions. And as I said, I'm happy to share more about the chair responsibilities. And Jamie, I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing about the full liaison position with questions. So just something to be considering. And we'll be on the agenda next month. And this actually isn't, I mean, this is related to this item. But John, do we have any candidates? Do we know yet for this board? Have y'all heard from the city for the? We haven't heard yet. All right, great. I believe the position is still open. So I shared with some of my colleagues. I just encourage everyone to share. Because I do think we have a pretty dynamic board right now. And I'd love for that energy to continue. Questions or comments on that one? Next up is the Code of Ethics for Council. I have a question. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, different. What do we do if no one steps forward? I am not sure. Yeah. Are we allowed to actively recruit, campaign for? Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's anything in fact that I see. See. It must be a possibility because I know that there's always, because while this is the open forward period, I always tell people to look year round because there can be open forward seats at any given time because the city only puts everything out open right now. But if somebody resigns or if something doesn't get built, there's always a possibility off-cycle for there to be openings. Wait, so I think Mr. Sir, I think this is me, I'm waiting. I think I mistook the question. I thought there's a reason Catherine was talking about no one wants it to be in a board position. That's what I thought. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I don't believe that yet. OK, I misunderstood. So I don't know if that then changes my answer to you. So if no one wants to be in a board position, I guess I need to look and make sure. I don't think there's anything in our bylaws. I'll look back and check. I'll see if there's any materials we have for the city on what happens then. But I'm honestly not sure. So I'll do some digging and see if there's any guidance. Maybe I'm the one who's confused then. So next month we're going to vote, or at least we are going to vote, on officers for next year. Starting in June. The next cycle. But for the next, yes. Are we also looking to fill just empty seats? Yes, we're going to have one empty seat, and that is open on the city's website under the board openings. OK, so what Catherine's saying is if nobody says, hey, I want to be in that seat, then we're not sure of what next steps are. No, she's asking about the current membership. Like if no one wants to refer to it. If no one steps up because Cynthia's done it. If no one here says, I want to be chair. You weren't here last week. Sorry, we're going to get back on track. You weren't here last week. My term ends in June. So June is my last meeting, and so that's triggering an STM and internal board election. I'm going to ask you to write that out too. Go ahead. Yeah. Ah. Go ahead. OK. I understand. But I'll look and see if I can answer Catherine's question. I mean, that may not be the situation, but it would be good to know. Yes, yeah, I'll let you know. I'll let you all know what I find out. But any other questions on this agenda item? Next up, Tracy's sent us an email forwarded an email on, let's see, April 11th. That was to, it should have been to all of us. And it came from John, thanks, John. And it looks like that on April 9th, a city council ordinance was introduced that would create a code of ethics for city council and all board members. The email does have some details about the process and how this is. And my understanding is that city council will hold a public hearing on April 23rd and just something to keep us all aware of. John, is there any more info you have on that? Or Susie, is there anything that you have on that? I don't. OK. I don't have anything on that. It's on our agenda. I can have Tracy also send you the language for that if anyone is interested, I'll pull it up and then I'll have Tracy send that to you. I don't think I can send it to all of you. It has to go through the secretary for open records and sunshine, yeah, sunshine laws. So we'll get that language. Oh, I saw one or something. Well, I did not get, I'm looking through my email right now, I didn't get a copy of the agenda or any of the meeting materials that I usually get. I could see the link, like, the meeting, the meeting. For this meeting? The next trajectory attached to the ordinance of ending the line one physical code is attached. I didn't see it before because it was a long time ago. It's attached. And when did that email come out? Because I see the email reminding us of the meeting with the league. I don't see it. Thursday, 11 at 10.40. I don't see it on mark. It came from John, not Tracy. Oh, maybe that's why I'm looking under the bed. It's going to be cute. I know you are on there. Oh, hey. Whatever that means. Susie's on there. OK, so let's get it. It improves. OK, see the ordinance. I'm just being nitpicky. Are you allowed to email that many people on the board at once, John? I was instructed to by the city clerk. OK, good. In this case. So you need to have. OK, I was like, I don't want to get in trouble. Normally you're right, but the instructions were to please forward to all your board members. So I figured if the clerk's telling you that, I'm allowed to. That's a good position to be in. But this is not the email that has the agenda, correct? Yes. You are correct, Susie. That is a different email. I think it's OK for me to forward you that email. I'm not sure why you wouldn't be on there. I also don't. I didn't get it either. I didn't get the agenda email either. OK, OK. I'm not losing you. I think it's OK for me to forward you all that right now. I don't think that brings anything. Actually, yeah, if you don't mind just to, um. Oh, here it is. Here. Are you using your mic or the system? I think someone has their own laptop. Wait, don't check mine. You can use either, but if, like, I need to use my laptop mic or reduce that. But if you use the owl mic, then you should do yourself. OK, so Phil's wanted that forwarded to them right now. It looks like Susie, Katie. I could use it. OK, great. Katie. Awesome. And then, Rihanna, did you need that as well? Dude. OK, there you go. I would just send it to you. If you don't just send it to me. Yeah, sending it to all of us. Tracy. Don't try to pick and choose. Awesome. OK. OK, so everyone should be seeing a forwarded copy of that. And I'm going to get us back on our agenda. OK, your mic is on. OK, wait, are you all able to hear me on Zoom? OK. OK, sorry. OK, are you all able to hear me now on Zoom? Yeah, OK, perfect. Sorry. OK, we will hopefully that echo will not bother us. OK, getting us back to our agenda, just thanks for sending that out, Susie, that the language surrounding the code of ethics. And if anyone has questions or comments that look site equal 27th is going to be the time to share those. Moving on to our next agenda item, requests for reconsideration. If you all remember the form that John had shared with us last meeting. So John, let's pass it to you for updates on that one. Sorry. It's OK. Tracy's going to share it, but I can start talking anyway. We can hear you. You can. It's just that Katie in the Zoom twice, I'm not sure what that's about, but the other one that has the mic on, so that might be sort of the issue. Yeah, and there's some. You can see me twice. I can only see myself once. The other one froze, and I had to close out and rejoin. I can only see myself on once, but that's the second time this meeting has happened to me. So I don't know what's going on for me. Can you remember the moderator, maybe like push her out? Was I going to give you the one that says the second one? We're just giving Tracy a moment to get it. That looks better. Perfect. Thanks, Tracy. I'll console it here and see the screen on Zoom right now. OK, great. Do you have something to share? Oh, yeah. I think you better do share, if it's a share screen. Just a second. Perfect. Thank you. OK. So I brought this up last month, explaining that we were going to make some changes to this. These are the changes. So the first page is an explanatory page of what Request for Evaluation is. We've never had anything like that before. And then it basically, this was in your packet, so you can read through it at any time and you can let me know if there's something that you have a question about. But we did change some critical things to our process here that we did not have in place. So one is timing. And I think you scroll down more so that second part. OK, so the section of a patron has the right to Request. So this goes into some things that we never had a place before. So you can see them here. It has to be filled in the entirety. That's fine. But the big things are you have to be a LOMA resident within the tax-paying service area of LOMA, and you have to have a full access library card, which is stated intentionally full access so that someone doesn't just sign up for an online library card that won't count. Then a patron or group can only have one active at any given time and only two in a year. And then on the resolution of it, of course, this was still in place. But we won't remove anything from the shelves. We won't cancel a program. We won't remove an exhibit or anything while it's under consideration. And it cannot be challenged again for three years, whatever the item program exhibit displayed. Because that's something we didn't have in place either. So those are some of the biggies there. And then if you scroll down just a little more, you can see what you're doing. So the form matches now what we did. You can kind of just see. And then I don't even know if you remember the previous form. This is pretty similar. You can see with the address. It's pretty filled in long line. So there's that little change. And of course, the library card number has to be there. And then what is being asked to reconsider or challenge, see if you can choose one of those items. And then the rest is pretty much the same as far as then explaining it and all that. And the very bottom of this is just a statement here about what happens. This is pretty similar to what we had before. Before it would say that the director, I think, of committee would be formed. So I modified this to basically say as needed. Sometimes often I consult with my merriens responsible for those areas of the collection if I need to. But I didn't want it stated that there's an actual committee in the sense that there are meetings and things like that. And the other aspect of this is once the decision is made, the decision is final. There's no appeal process or anything like that. And there's some legal stuff added in here by our legal departments. This whole thing went to the city attorney's office, by the way. And the open records act statement at the bottom did reflect a little bit to indicate what happens if you don't fill out a form and what that means for your personal information. It could be if things change at the state level. Because now they're trying to put maybe a different version of that bill back in. It died in committee at one point to have a ban against bookbans legislation. It may come back in a different form. And now people are talking about that no, it's truly, if you fill out a form, it's public information and it won't get redacted. But that's not anything that's the media itself. So I think we can stop sharing. Go back to the Zoom section. Can I ask you a question? Yes, you can. With regard to the two different timeframes that are listed, I don't have it in front of me right now. It was like two weeks, two months, and three years or something. Yeah, it was two years. Yeah, sorry, I already forgot to. Hi, really. Yeah. I'm just curious, honestly, about how did you pick those timeframes? And then if someone were to say arbitrary or whatever, what's the rationale around that? A lot of this, most of this was put in place by looking at other libraries, mostly in Colorado, and to see what kind of policy and procedure they had in place. So this is in line with many of them. Now some of them vary. I can't really tell. Some libraries, they're districts, and they have decision-making bodies, boards of trustees that ultimately gave the timeframes. I'm not sure how they came up with them. But for my purposes, I just wanted to make sure we weren't completely doing something different than other libraries in Colorado or not doing. And then would this apply equally to online materials and actual physical things or different procedure in place? No, someone could fill this form out for something electronic. So an e-book would fit within there. I mean, they could even reference something within a database, I suppose, if they wanted. Is it anything that the library has like it could be pre-orderful or a small material? It really can be anything. They're at age, aren't they? I can't remember. I didn't see. Do you have to be equally? I don't know that we put it age. How would you entertain a request from a minor? I suppose. I mean, it's never happened unless there's other, did it disconnect you? Sorry. We're having a bad network day, but bear with us. Did you hear me to start answering that? There's nothing in there now. I don't know if there's something at a larger level than the library that would state whether somebody who's a minor could fill out a request for reconsideration. But we don't have an age stated to be. At what age can you get a full library card? Any age. But you have to have a parent guardian signature if you are under 18 or 16. I can't remember where our library card policy is. So theoretically, you can have a full access library card as a baby, but if a form gets filled out, it's really the parent guardian that ultimately is responsible for that as well, just as they're responsible for the library materials, I guess, is the logic I would use there. But it's not something we discussed. I mean, I don't know if it matters if there ever would be anyone who really wants to do that. But I certainly, in my experience as a teacher, I have made some very zealous teams who might get on the strain. And I don't know if they have the right or capacity to make that decision. Yeah, unless there's a, and I could look. Probably what I would do is I would address that if something happened and see if there's anything legally that would inform that. But otherwise, if they have a library card and they fill it out, then it would get the same process. A very terrifying question. I'm glad you mentioned the lawyer piece, because I was wondering about, look, I expected to see the bit about name and other personal information being redacted. But the library is still OK to require that the person filing the request give us their name. Yes, and that's correct. It cannot be in its stated as such as you saw. Second question is, are there people who have a full Longmont Library borrowing card but do not live in the tax paying area? Oh, there's plenty. So you have to have both? You have to have both, yeah. That was something we decided. Because in Colorado, any Colorado resident can get a library card from any library in the state. You don't have to live in that jurisdiction. Do you have to pay for it? Some charge, some don't. Most don't. OK, I was remembering an argument. It was about something else, but it was at the Princeton Library where the patron spends over $100 a year for a Princeton library card. And so feels like they're paying for the right to get their input. Yeah, I mean, I don't doubt someone could disagree. Even as a team here, as we came up with this, there was a good dialogue about residency and library card, or just do one or the other. Because even if you don't have a library card but you live in Longmont, your taxes are still going to the library. But in the end, and again, what a lot of other libraries were doing was this model. And the library card is more of a statement that you're a library user. Yes. Right? So that's where we did that. And they're both there because it's so easy to get a library card from anywhere. I just want to say again too, at least in my time here, I have fielded a total of four challenges. And I've never experienced anything that this lays out, as far as getting multiple challenges from one person or a group. Some of the stories you read in the news are fortunately not happening here. But I just want to make sure that we're set up for that. So we have something in place so that that's a law where this is coming from. So it sounds like a group that really wanted to go ham on this library. They have to divvy up their list. You can do two this year. You can do this. And we cannot do the same one. It would take a lot of coordination. And still, for the most part, at least, well, I would actually say this nationally. I mean, it's still more school libraries that are getting hit with all of this than public libraries because it's just a whole different situation. But that's not to say they're not. I mean, go look at any news in the state of Alabama. Or get tennis don't look. Arkansas, I mean, Alabama librarians can get fired criminally prosecuted now for anything that someone decides is obscene. Nothing obscene. Actually, I just wrote my rough draft in this paper. And it ended up, it's supposed to be 10 pages. And it ended up 24 because I just kept finding more and more and more faces. And it was just like, I don't know. Probably all current, you know. Hopefully, you'll have to pair that back down to 10. I don't know. I'm going to have to get tested. I'm really sorry. I just have a lot of faces. Over a chair. I just remember in school, I'm thinking a lot about it. I think the problem with the school libraries is that you just have a lot more destruction in the school libraries. Anyway, the biggest difference to me with schools is when kids are at school, the schools are legally responsible for their children. And that is not true in public property. So, and I think these groups out there and other individuals, that's kind of what they're standing behind. It's my right as a parent, blah, blah, blah. We all have threatened and stuff. And it is. It is your right. And it always has been. As far as I know, it's not new. Right. It's just, you know. Yeah, I think this, I like how this one is very clear that the library staff does not serve in local protests. I think this really gives you a good big effort to hearing from the citizens and people who live in Lonmont and use the library, but not opening up to someone who's never stepped foot in this town or in this library. Any other comments or questions for John on this item? One last thing I'll say too is the content that explains the form will be on our website along with our other policies. The form itself is only available here. You have to come in and get the form. Oh, you can't download it. No. At least currently, that's something state legislation could change and make us do, but right now I'm not. And that's a mix in libraries, by the way. Some have it online, and some don't. Some have it online, even where it's fillable. You know, you could submit it. And I just, I'm not interested in that. If it's that important to you, come in, and I'll give you directions to the library. Yeah, and it goes along with, you know, you have to live in Lonmont. Yeah. I think that would be very different if you're opening it up. I'm curious to see. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Let's take Catherine and Jamie. Okay, thank you. I was just wondering, does this have to go to city council or can we just say it's happening? No, the board, this board can say you can actually even make a motion to do that. It doesn't have to go to council. It did go through the city attorney's office to make sure that was all good. And that's the version you're seeing. But it would be good to officially in this meeting have library or motion for sure. Jamie, any comments before we open the floor if anyone wants to make a motion? I appreciate the specificity. I find the form to be very well followed out, very strategic, library sponsored programs only. That's a nice inclusion. I am curious how this would be employed or will be employed with programs. That's, you know, for whatever reason, that's what I think is likelier that someone's gonna have a major issue with or a group of someone's. And you have to know it's happening in advance or that it's an ongoing series or something. You have to file this request far enough that it would be very difficult to stop programs from happening. Yep. And so what have your responses been or what would your responses be to people who show up at the event, to protest at the event? Well, the closest we got was last summer in June when we did our rainbow story time that we've done in the children's department here as far as I can tell for at least the last five to eight years. And I got letters before. No one actually formally challenged it. I certainly received communication from people. I got a petition, you know, but no one actually formally challenged it. So I didn't actually have to approach it in this formal way. And then at the event itself, no one came. No one to protest. I've heard stories like that in libraries and we set ourselves up to kind of be prepared if people come in to protest and you can't. There are certain things that you can't do to stop it and certain things you can't. Any questions or comments right now on this form? Yes, let's move to support because we are not in governing body. So I knew that the library board is in support of the request for evaluation of library materials, displays, exhibits and programs form as written. Sort of second? Thanks, Catherine. All in favor? There she passes. Did she see it? Did she get that down or you'll be repeated? We're jumping around in our new business. I also jumped too quickly to new business. So I'd like to go ahead and discuss our meeting times and then circle back to agenda item two, pre-fold, pre-use, and that's next. This is definitely a bit of a Monday for all of us, I believe. But let's go ahead and finish out our new business. And so that is looking at our meeting dates and it says June through September, but let's go ahead and start with May. Once again, we normally meet the third Monday but due to conflicts, we might change that. So, I'm gonna give my condor up. So this is not why in general we don't have a standard recurring invite and where we would just... That's my understanding. And I think it has to be put forward a certain number of days. It has to be a 48-hour notice and so on. I don't think you can have a standing meeting about it because it has to be shared for a public invite to be heard. I think it has to be a different one each. I mean, you're correct. There probably could be a recurring invitation for it, but it would have to be updated every time with the packet. And the link, but also I think part of it is because this board meets on a Monday, there's always the chance of a Monday holiday that affects it. So it's almost like you would have to change the recurrence almost four or five times a year. Anyway, six, one-half. Our meeting in May is currently scheduled for May 20th, is the third Monday. I'm actually not sure of the school calendar for St. Greg. Oh. So I don't know if that is interfering with... It does. Okay. I mean, it's still in session through the 23rd. Okay. But I don't think it doesn't interfere with that. No. Okay, I'm looking, Rihanna, Katie. No? Yeah. Rihanna. You're good. Okay, let's keep that May one. The third Monday of June is June 17th. What, I know there's a federal holiday in June. What day is that again? It's June 18th. Okay, so that's going to interfere. That's what's staying. Okay. I'm not... It's June 18th, sorry. 19th. 19th. And I think it's sort of on that day. That's not one of those that... I think so. We want to double check that everyone will be here in June, though, because... Yeah, first in our holidays. I will be here. Okay, so Catherine will not be. I will be. Okay, Janie will be. I'm just being sure we have a quorum. Katie, Rihanna, are you all pleading? No, those dates are fine for me. I'm trying to get out for any... I'm traveling to May, but I will probably make it. I don't even know if I'm delayed. So... Is it the... When is officially your last meeting? That June meeting will be my last meeting. Oh. I'm sorry to miss it. Oh, next month. I've been so many years, though. Your absence, you might get voted as chair. Be careful. If you don't think. You might want to find a way to move in. Okay, so we'll continue with June 17th, at the Zula Quorum that day. Okay, July. This is Punea's at July 15th. That was fine for me, too. Okay. Anyone else see the issues with that one? Catherine, did you... Are you're done? She's looking. She's looking. Bye. I mean, it's getting out, but... I will not be here, so... Can I schedule to some matter that day? You're good for July? Okay. I mean... Okay, so I'm going to... Okay, and let's go ahead and just finish out the summer. August 19th is the August meeting. I have no idea when it starts back up. 17th? December. I just looked it up. It starts at the 15th. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, 17th. One, two, three. Okay. So, any conflicts that people have with August? I'm going to pin nods. Well, I guess it's for... 13th, 14th, or 15th, depending on the age of your kid. But still, it doesn't interfere. It's the best day. Okay, well then, we're going to be keeping all summer meetings on the third Monday. Let me just double check. Oh, September. You wanted to look at that. Okay, September, the third Monday is the 16th. It's not a holiday. Okay. Seeing no one speaking or no nods. Sounds good. I don't know about that one yet. Okay. We can use that immediately. But let's go ahead and keep it for now. Great. Okay. So, I see we are keeping all meetings May through September as the third Monday. That's a point to accomplish now. Sure. But it happens occasionally. Okay, so at this point, I'd like to circle back to agenda item two, approval of the previous minutes. Any corrections anyone has for those minutes? You're doing a good job. It gets complicated. I'm just making sure that we still have everyone on Zoom. No. Oh, I thought you were just nodding. Okay. No, I'm sorry. I was in, I had to be out of the city all day. So, I'm keeping this up until we get there. Oh, no, they just took over the hosting again. Great. For a second, you were out. Okay, I think we're all back. It sounds like. Great. Okay. So, we are in a prison. Okay, any corrections that anyone has to the minutes? The March minutes? I have a motion to accept. Thanks, Jamie. Motion six is there a second. Thank you, Jamie. We have approved them and I will go ahead and sign them. We need to get back to our regular agenda. In five old business, we only have one agenda item for that and that's just an update on the 2023 annual report. The board will be presenting that to Council on April 30th. Unfortunately, I, for medical reasons, will not be able to be there that day. So, I just want to check in. Catherine, I believe you were able to, was that? Yeah, as long as you can help me prepare for it. Yep, I can do that. You and others. Perfect. Thank you. So, Catherine, and? Yeah. Do you have to get there early to get a position or is it going to be on the agenda and I'll know what time I have to be there? Yes. It's on the agenda. I'll try to, as best I can, get a sense of where that'll exist. You know, there's always a little bit of a gamble with public comment and other things, but I'll make sure that that's clear. And then the other thing too is when Cynthia thought she was going to be able to do it, I had set up a meeting where we could run through the presentation. I'm obviously going to be there. So, if you're the one doing it, I'll just get with you and find a time in the next week or so. And I have a slide deck for it that we can run through. It pretty much mimics the actual annual report that was in the packet. Just kind of consolidate it into a slide deck as required by a counselor or somebody. OK, so as long as I'm there, will it be course 7? Starts with 7? Probably. I mean, if I find out, if I can get a more specific time, like if there's a few things on the agenda, it's probably going to be safe to get there maybe after all. I'll find that out, but otherwise, I'd plan to be there at the beginning. Yeah, just because we have multiple kids going to multiple activities that night. So I can ask people to help you if I need to. I just have to put it in. Thanks. And Susie, it looks thank you. Yes, so if it's under special reports and presentations, that happens before first call public invited to be heard. So we just do the roll call, pledge of allegiance, approval of our minutes, and then it goes right into special group report presentation. So if it's in that area, I'm sorry, if it's in that area, it'll be not long after 7. Thank you for that. I'm pretty sure that's where it is, Catherine, anyway. Because I think the next one would be general business, but that's at the end. So I hope that they don't do that to you. Typically, give me. Thanks, Susie, for clarifying. And I'm happy, Kevin, we can chat offline, but I'm happy to also be there when you and John meet or relay messages, whatever I can do in that interim as well. But I also wanted to share with the rest of the board that we are on the agenda for April 30th. So if anyone else would like to be there, I'm sure this department would be appreciated. I mean, the more than America. I plan to be there, and I'll just avoid it's worth, I'm willing to serve a second if something happens. Great. Thank you. All right. Comments or questions about that agenda item before we move on? OK, then let's jump ahead to our reports and information items, and I'll hand it back over to John for the library director report. The only thing I wanted to share in my director report this month was just something that was shared with me after the eclipse. So that I thought was pretty phenomenal. Our children's department, they wrote a graph in the Space Science Institute to get glasses, and then they end up getting a little bit more. They just kind of sent them. So the library was a pretty big player in this eclipse. They handed out over 2,000 eclipse glasses, which I thought was great for free, my dad and my dad, obviously, and because of the work and making sure they were on top of getting that grant, because when they're out and around. So I just wanted to share that little tidbit that I thought we were all up to. That's great. And I love this, and I'll just jump back briefly to the previous digit item. I love those sorts of stories. It included in any sort of report. Some of those, I mean, this one isn't a number attached, but some of those kind of qualitative statements as well. Next up, I believe, is Friends in the Library. Let me just look again. Great, wait, Jamie. What do you want to know? Anything that you have to share, kind of not, that's OK too. So next sale is coming up in May, I believe it's the 8th. 3, 0, 11. And the Friends are also actively planning their annual membership meeting, their annual member meeting. So they have an in-person meeting that all of their 300-plus members are invited to. And at that meeting, there is a general sort of state-of-the-friends presentation. They present a lot of data from the past year, similar to what would be shared in an annual report. We're hoping to spice things up a little bit this year. They are also working on a video, which will be a short video, and we're working with Donald from the library here to edit that video. But basically something to visually convey how much the Friends as a group of volunteers puts into the library and how the library benefits. So using the vehicle of a donated book traveling through the different steps that a donated book would go through to wind up on the shelf in the bookshop or in the table at the sale. And then what those proceeds then go to fund. I think all of us have heard over the past several months here just how much of that link is not really common knowledge. So it's a little bit of sharing information. It's a little bit of brand awareness. It's a little bit of call to action like here's how you can get involved too. But in a different format than we've seen from the Friends. So fingers crossed, that would be when it's unveiled, but then the video would be shared on the Friends' social media and website and it'd be liked and shared by the library if they so choose and so on. But lighthearted and quick and fun, but visual and informative. That's great. I love that idea. Yeah, I hope we can deliver. Well, this is something that's related to the Friends that I've shared with John and with Jamie in a position as the liaison. I would like to put forward the Friends for one of the Colorado Association of Libraries awards. And those are presented at the Colorado Association of Libraries annual conference in September. I think there's a Volunteer of the Year award that I think they're just, I really want to showcase the work that they're doing. So I am planning to, I wanted to bring this to the board, but I gave the nomination process and I am planning to write a letter and hopefully connect with Jamie to gather some other materials that it's due May 14th, so I need to get on it. But I just wanted to share that out. And if anyone would like to contribute to that effort, happy to share what would be helpful. But those are, like I said, due before our next meeting. Can you apply for them as a group or do you have to, did Jamie have to help you narrow down an individual? I emailed the chair of that list and that person shared that instead of the volunteer of the year, that we basically have two options. There's a number of award categories. There's about six or seven that we could put them as the unsigned hero award because that wording does include a group or we could just have all of the Friends listed for volunteer, the year award. So my thought is the unsigned hero, I'm realizing that's not how I introduced this topic. Can you do both or probably not? I would rather, I think I'd rather not. This is me, the same group evaluating. I think we have a, I think it would be a better chance to do one. So my thought is to actually send them to the unsigned hero award and that, it's all under the Colorado Association, if you Google Conference Awards Committee, you'll see the list. And this award celebrates an individual group or organization who works behind the scene, giving it selfishly to their libraries or library community. It is meant to honor those who don't receive recognition because their work generally goes undoticed. Which I think is a perfect description of this group. That's a great question now. I had a thought and it was only the past few days since the weekend. I completely support nominating the Friends board for the unsigned hero. I would also support nominating the group of volunteers that runs the book shop. I was thinking of doing the full organization for this. Let's talk. There's also one individual. So as part of making this video, I came and I kind of was talking to people informally interviewing some staff and some of the volunteers who were here on Saturday and wound up spending quite a bit of time downstairs in the pre-sort room with Carol England who was taking me through everything that happens to the book in that room. Like how that book shop is run specifically. And when I say book shop, I mean, I'm including like anything that we would put, sell in the case or online or whatever. But those ongoing boutique type of sales rather than the four times a year sale. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable how much time and effort goes into it. But also the level of genuine care, all of those books get cleaned and sanitized and minor things repaired and things that are stuck in books returned to their original owners like photos and letters and stuff. I mean, it's just so meticulous from start to finish. They are really thinking about how to present that book, every book in the best way possible. Everything is so organized, it's labeled. I mean, it's, I guarantee you that they are approaching their work more professionally than some booksellers in book shops that commercial book shops are doing. And I was blown away. And I said, I must have asked her like three times. And you're a volunteer, right? You're all volunteer. So okay, cool. So yeah, and she I understand is really the mastermind behind the shop or so says Carla. She's the book shop manager. But Jamie, how can I touch them? Because I'll rely on your judgment for who exactly to nominate. And I'd like to share with anyone else who's interested. Please just shoot me an email. We're gonna want to make sure and stay within Sunshine Law, so I'll be emailing you all individually instead of as a group. But there's a letter, supplemental materials are encouraged. So I'll share that. I'll gather what I can and then be in touch with Jamie and if anyone's interested, please just let me know. And I'll share with you all as well. I was taking notes as you're saying that for this letter. Great, well thank you for that update. Any other questions or comments on the friends update? I just wanted to ask Suzy, if you were able to attend their annual meeting, I know it was requested of you, but some of the friends members have asked me if you were. So, and this is for the fourth, right? Yes, yeah. Yeah, there, I saw an email that I did email. It said three, they said I should come around three. Okay, perfect, I just wanted to make sure that's all. Yeah, I plan on being there. Thanks Suzy. Okay, maybe not. City Council Liaisoner, perhaps Suzy, if there's anything you have to share with us. But yeah, so the first thing I was gonna share and I already shared it is I will be attending their annual retreat for a brief moment. It's also the Cinco de Mayo Festival at Wolffeld Park and I know we typically have the City Council booth and they'll all be there for that, but I'm gonna step away to attend their retreat and then I'll head back. And that one is, and it's here in Longmont too, I thought I saw the address, it's the library. Yes, it's in the large book, I think you're crazy. Community? Meeting room, yeah. Meeting room. Yeah, retreating. And so, you know, something I guess that's, that would be important to you all is, we did make our final decisions for the 4th of July. We just brought it back for discussion and really to see, we were getting overwhelming, you know, just our mailboxes and Wolffeld, we're getting inundated with calls for people who want it back at the fairgrounds. So, when COVID hit, they shut it down that it was 2020, no fireworks. 2021, and Guantas is the one, is the organization that does do the fireworks. They fund the fireworks, they're the ones responsible for getting it, the city's role in it is that we provide personnel, road, you know, blockage, road, police, and fire residents in and around where they shoot off the fireworks. So they did, I'm trying to remember, it was in 2021, I think that at that time, Boulder County was still not, you know, leasing out space. And so, that's when they did it at the Country Club, at the Fox Hill Country Club. The following year, there was talk of bringing it back and I think that was an internal, you know, just with staff, having a discussion, public safety, and Guantas, and really looking at since growth in the area. And even those last final years, I think like the last three or four years prior to COVID, it was getting more and more challenging to manage that area because of, you know, recent buildings and just more density in those areas. So it was getting harder to kind of mitigate traffic and taking control of, you know, fallout spaces, buildings, and the fairgrounds. So I know that public safety has some concern about that. Now, it looks like Boulder County Fairgrounds has rented that space out for several years for a equestrian event that will be happening in Fort Poli, and maybe we're doing that. So our other option was to look at the buyer, the Martin Street, so Martin and Burst, the fire training, there's a deep, deep field, there's the building, the ladder, they do their training for the fire department. And so there's actually a large enough space that they could contain where the fallout of fireworks will be within that range. And then, you know, we just kind of navigate and where people can kind of park and go to. There wasn't some concern because of its proximity to Dickens Park and near the Safe Rain River. And so, you know, those concerns about impact to wildlife and new plants that have been planted in their trees, so we're kind of trying to navigate things or working the staff to kind of make it more, block off some of those sensitive areas where people can park or, you know, set up and watch the fireworks at another location. We were also looking at organizing an event, and it looks like we will be coordinating with Whitties Brewery and some other businesses around that second, you know, from Main Street on Second Avenue, east, like towards Emory Street, and so doing some road blockage. So, they were describing it, and it's still like in the works, but maybe like a street fair type with food trucks and different vendors, and just do some road closures of some of the smaller streets out by Whitties to have an event there, and then people can stay and watch the fireworks. We've also coordinated with the school district, so we'll have a pre-fireworks brochure. So, we'll be doing that as well. So, what we're trying to do is really create some space for residents and families to come and hang out and recreate where they're not tempted to, and our hope is to minimize some of the home fireworks that typically go on every year. It exacerbated during COVID, and it hasn't really, you know, settled down. So, I know we won't get rid of all of the fireworks, the legal fireworks that happen, but we're hoping that if we have opportunities for people to engage and have something to do, that they'll be less inclined to, you know, to shoot off fireworks from nursing houses. We're kind of doing what we can to be a little more proactive. So, yeah, so that was our big discussion. Tomorrow, we do have our boards and commissioners updates, so we'll be sharing what we share tonight, and then if there's anything else you want me to make sure that I mention, you know, please let me know. We do that for our council meeting, and tomorrow's council meeting is actually our Longmont Housing Authority meeting. So, we'll be rescuers to the housing authority, instead of a regular city council. Well, yeah, and if anybody has any thing that want me to make sure that other council members are aware of it. Thanks, Tuzzi, I'd love to hear from other board members. I think in my mind, the main message that I would love for council to know is what we've been saying the last few years, which is that we just desperately need funding, and that keeping the budget stable is really decreasing it for the libraries as cost of digital materials rise. So, hopefully you all can still hear me. It looks like we're having a little Zoom pick up again right now. Great, okay, so my guess is I froze briefly then, but I think just, you know, that, yeah, what we've said before is kind of going back to the report from last year and that how unusual it is for an organization like the Friends to be supporting programming. But I'd love to hear from other board members if there are other comments to Tuzzi's question. I was actually gonna ask if I missed something and if John didn't get his budget approved. Where it's still, and don't hurt me for wrong my understanding from last meeting, is that it's still early in the yearly process, and so it's not yet been submitted. Yeah, so in fact, today there was an intro to budget season, and so it kind of exists between now and of May, and so, you know, there's kind of two things there, right? So last year I submitted a budget which nothing got approved because it was put into the election of the basket. So this year, you know, for the most part I'll submit the same things, but there's no election, so this, it makes it pretty important, you know, that it is communicated to council, so that it's on their radar, as far as what funding the library got last year and where we are still. In the face of the report, council asked for it. Yes, I love tying it back to, you know, that we spent time and money on this report, and so let's see what we can do as a response to that. So that whole bit where we didn't win anything out of that election, the library didn't have the measure passed, and then there was a budget that wasn't, like it was approved at the same level as the prior year, that's last year's budget. That's 2023. Correct, so the process, when it's like budget season, so we start this now, and then in May, I will present my proposed budget to the city manager. Your proposed budget for July 1 through... No. You got a September one? No. What's the date of the calendar year? It's Caliburn. Oh, that was a good one. Yeah, it's Caliburn. So the budget proposed in the spring, if approved, kicks in January 1, 2025. Correct. So you're that far out. That's how far out it was. Okay, so the one that was just not approved, or not increased, that was... That was for the year we're in right now, 2024. But you had presented that back? Yeah, at this time, last year. Oh, wow. Okay, I understand. Thank you. We need to counsel in October. So we started hearing snippets of August, where they start presenting the budget, and then we just kind of... Yeah, that's correct. It doesn't really have counsel till later. So the internal sitting process is now, because we have to, there's a lot of things that go on. So for example, if I were to request in my budget a new position, which I do have. You have to be thinking out... I have to, it's not just the position, right? So it impacts others. If I request a position, HR has to say what it will cost. If the position requires technology, IT, ETS, so as we call them here, they have to say, okay, well, if you need a laptop, then you have to add this to that. So that's why we start now, because by the time I present it to the city manager, that has to all be in place together. So what happened last year when I presented the budget, when I tried to present the budget was, I was told, no, we're actually going to the voters for your funding increase for your budget, not in this process. So that's what happened. So this year, I mean, it's always important, but now there's no election to throw this into. So it's the budget process is all we have to have any changes to our budget. That clarification is so helpful for me. My first thought was like, didn't we just go through? Yeah, I always feel like I'm in budgets, these are like, here to you. So hearing Cynthia and then hearing Kathar thinking about the presentation of the annual report on the 30th, and thinking about the friend, you know, the comment about the friends and how we're funding programming and some of the other things. What stands out to me is the fact that this is such a unique and wonderful community. I mean, I'm very proud to be here in Longmont. And one of the things that we do tremendously well in North Kenya is bringing community together with all of these different events and fireworks. It's like a street fair every weekend in the summer and all of these like excuses to come and be together and spend money, right? We're having a great time. We're peacefully engaging with one another. We're celebrating things, but we're also spending money at the food vendors and the pop-up tents and all of the local businesses. And those are all wonderful things and we do it really well. And the library and the library programming and the library services, it's still like how many community centers or how many places within the community can you go and exist for free without having to spend anything. And not just exist, but it's a different kind of consumption. It's a different kind of engagement and protecting that space and all of the many reasons why the library should be supported, the report and so on. But it stands as that we have an opportunity to also have this completely free, no expectation to buy or consume space. And we should just, yes. Yeah, and that's one of the catch many ways is that there's no outreach department. So like, you know, so much of like the e-messages, for example, is pulling off the top of my head or why are they known? Perhaps as well as they should be besides those who use them. And so I feel like the library's in this position where there's exactly what you're saying, but without, for example, the staffing to share that, how do you get that word out? So yeah, I mean, Suzanne, whatever you are able to share, but I think the sports main concern is the, but Jamie was saying the importance of a third space in my mind is very much tied to equity and inclusion, as well as what we learned from the feasibility study phase two, which was there's a strong public demand for these types of services. There's just, there just needs to be the funding for the library to grow and to fit a city of 100,000. Yeah, I mean, the study is still valid. I mean, it's now a few years old, but the very basic level that I've identified was understaffed, underfunded, outgrown space for a city of this size. We're not, we didn't shrink. Yeah, and it's not shrinking, so it's still there and all the recommendations in there of how to grow. If you know, so last Wednesday, I attended the PI, fathers involved with others in the discussion, they had their annual celebration and the land was there, of course, with their little tutu, I love her. And, you know, so at these events where the library makes a present, so that was something, that is something I'm very proud of as well as being, as attending that event. And it was largely, I mean, I've gone every year for the past, I don't know, five or six years, and this is the largest that I've seen, I mean, participation-wise, and this was their 15th anniversary, so that, you know, they've been around for a while and so it's, you know, it's getting out there and our community, so this primarily, so the program was connected in Spanish, so people who were English only had the audio and it was translated to English for them. And so everything was presented in Spanish and we had Fogulodico, so it was very, just immersed in Latino culture. So having the library be a presence there to be able to issue library cards or to be able to engage the public and let them know that we have these programs, I mean, it's important that we have that kind of presence. So that is something I have in my pocket that I'll be sharing tomorrow as well, so. Yeah, and you probably know this, but Lillian is at all of the pie meetings. Yeah, I know. Yeah, not just this one, this was the big one. No, that was on the pie meeting. I haven't been on the pie meetings. Yeah, she's at all of them and she's built quite a partnership and does some fabulous programming at those. Yeah, yeah, she does. Yeah, she's already built a lot of connections and trust with a lot of our families. It's great, building those relationships. Yes. That also makes me think of the 2,000 glasses that were just handed out, supporting STEM initiatives, the youth, the importance of that. In our messaging, we just can't lose sight of the fact that telling people, showing people all of this awesome stuff that we're accomplishing as a library. If you don't want to, I don't want to say you don't want to paint too rosy a picture, but I think there is a temptation to see all of this greatness and infer that the library is fine. Well, I think that's what's been happening the last couple of years. Maybe because the staff has been doing such a great job making it work. Yeah, and that was a lot of learning. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's not sustainable. That's what I'm... The messaging I've pretty much said anywhere that someone wants to talk about it, it's not sustainable. It's going to be burnout. Lillian can't keep up what she's doing. Already, being at the... Being understaffed as a department of one means it's a great season of pie, but then who's missing out on other services? Yeah, because she can't be in more than one place, as far as I know. I don't want us to get to the point as a city where we're thinking about what would have to happen, what would things need to look like in order for more people to really notice that the library was deficient in funding. If you don't know, what needs to happen in order for that message to get across to you and do we want to wait until that point? Well, some of it's happening now. I mean, with the budget process last year and the election not passing, I mean, effectively, and I've said this before, but our collections is a great example of that. It's effectively been cut, and what that means is people are on hold lists for longer, people are asking us why is it taking so long to get this bug? Because we can't buy more than X amount of copies. And in fact, we're buying less because things cost more, so it is happening. And do you remember correctly that, I guess two other examples of me, if I'm remembering right, is that the library won't have a presence at Cinco de Mayo, for example. We'll be there, but there's some other festivals that we will not be at because I can't have staff at the library. You don't have a staff? It's way too much. And then I remember the adult pre-autical script. Am I remembering this right? Or am I just making this up? That was cut. So, yeah. And the homebound program can't expand. Even when there's a demand. Right, that's pretty big, and it takes a lot of one-person staff time, which, you know, it's a great service. No, that's fine. This is definitely showing my true colors, but do you think there's any appetite for like a strike? I mean, teacher strike? Maybe not in Colorado, but in LA, where I'm from, teacher strike, I'm one time. Well, yeah. It's also unionized. Well, it's probably services. So, I don't know if the members of the library staff are unionized. Zero. How DPS, Denver, and... Library had strike, you know, they had strikes, and I remember going down and supporting them. But it was like, oh, like a couple of years where they were prepping their members, organizing. They had the strong message. They were taking, you know, collective, you know, just these boats and surveys to see how many would walk out. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I don't know. I've experienced that too, having lived in California, but not here, and most libraries are not unionized. And because of that, I think that kind of tactic is hard, right? There's no support for you doing it. If you decide to strike, you know, that everybody has to be, I guess, willing to not get paid. I don't know how that works, but that would be one of them. Well, thanks, Susie, for sharing our thoughts with the council. We always appreciate you doing so. Other comments or questions? Susie, was there anything else in your city council report that you were wanting to share? I think those were the big ones. I really want to make sure that I'm coming back with a clear message for council. I'm not just interested in our meetings, but, you know, any pertinent information. Thank you. Wait, well, I'll have to circle back to John quickly. I know there is one other thing you wanted to share about in your, like, your director report. Yeah, just because I can't remember if I said this before, but this will happen before our next board meeting, but on May 17th, we will be closing the library that day for our annual in-service training. So I just wanted to make sure that that was on the board's radar. You know, we have a full day. We have a couple of big trainings just to give you a little taste of what's going on. One of them is I'm bringing in a social worker to train staff on trauma-informed care. We did a little bit of that last year, but that was more of an intro. This will be a two-hour session with some activities built in. And then the other big training we're doing is in the EDI realm. This is gonna be another two-hour training. So it'll be a heavy day, but that one will be on allyship as it relates to largely microaggressions and really educating staff on that. All of it under the theme of kind of staff care and supportive learning is really what this year is about. So, and then a couple other smaller sessions we're doing ourselves, but that'll be the day on 17th, it's a Friday. Eventually, that'll go up pretty soon when we start getting announcements out on being closed that day. I'm so glad y'all do that. So important to have that full staff. It's helpful, you know, we don't, just with the large staff and mostly part-time workers, you know, it's almost the only time we can get everyone together once a year without, you know, you can't really do it during normal hours. It's not our preference to close the library anyway, but you know, the once a year, we get to do this type of thing. I agree. So anyway, I just want to thank you for letting us circle back there, because I really meant to let you know. That's very cool, that's great. And that's part of, that's built into your budget. Like, that's how it's funded, bringing in like the speakers. Do you know who ever you have to present it? No. No, and in fact, at the last board meeting, actually, so you are aware of this, I brought to this board last meeting about using one of our funds to pay for the trainers. I'm not sure. Yeah, they'll be in the minutes, yeah. That's okay. No, it helped me just realize I have mentioned this, so. That's a good reminder. So no, we don't have the budget for this level of speaker fees, so we're using that fund to pay for that. Okay. That'll eventually, that won't go to council for appropriation until May, but. Does that fund take in new dollars? It earns interest, yeah. It earns interest. It earns interest, it's a trust, and we're allowed to spend on the interest of crew. But no one donates to it. No. It doesn't want to say it that way. Like it's not a fund you could then designate. Yeah, donation to it. Yeah, it is a family. Yeah. So that it'll support staff day for those two trainers, and then I'm also using that fund as an aside and they, to support summer reading. Yeah. It'll help us have staff more available. Hey, thanks John. Well, we're near to the verge of that. I didn't want to share under library profession news. I have not read this, but the American Library Association put forth their 2024 State of America's Libraries Report, including the top 10 banned books from 2023, as well as there's usually like a section on pool things, libraries, or doing all types of libraries. So if anyone is interested, that is easily found online just by Google ALA State of the Libraries 2024. Any other comments from the wider world of librarianship? All right, then any library board comments before we close? All right, our next meeting will be May 20th, and I will go ahead and adjourn us at 8.36. Thanks everyone for coming.