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She's a Toronto based certified clinical hypnotherapist who specializes in a number of modalities, including working with individuals who feel that they have had experiences with extraterrestrial beings. Most of this fascinating work, as well as metaphysical therapies such as past life and inter life regression takes place at Leslie's Toronto Hypnosis Clinic called Light Work Hypnosis. Prior to her work in hypnotherapy Leslie had a very busy career as an actor, a dancer, a vocalist and for the past 20 plus years, she's been a top jazz and arts media consultant with an array of Grammy and Juno winning clients, as well as major jazz festivals and record labels. Leslie is currently the director of LMC media with offices, both in Toronto and Leslie's hometown in New York City. She's a busy arts writer, contributing regularly to a number of publications, and you can learn more at lightworkhypnosis.com. With that, I welcome Leslie to the Dare to Dream show. I am very excited to have this conversation with you because of the work you do. Welcome. Thank you so much Debbie and thank you so much for having me as a guest on your wonderful program I'm very excited to be here and to share, you know, share my journey and what I do with your wonderful audience. Okay. Yes. And I'm super excited so let's see how we're going to weave this together the story of Leslie and what she offers because I know there's some yummy stories in there. Let's go to 2012 2012. You found an organization is called CGI or contact group international. Why did you put together CGI what was the impetus there. Well, the impetus was to create a safe space for individuals who felt that they had had extraterrestrial contact of some nature. That could be, you know, visual in person, you know, Dr. Heineck's various stages of contact. And unfortunately CGI didn't quite take off in the way that we had hoped it would. And around that time I became more deeply involved with MUFON, and which is the mutual UFO network. I'm sure the world's probably oldest organized research organization of ufology. And I was asked to become part of Kathleen Martin's experience research project. So between, between that, which meant that MUFON was sending me a number of individuals for hypnotherapy between that work. And also, we, my, my writing partner, Wes Roberts and I also host a show called contact TV, which was contact radio for a number of years. So between those two things, CGI didn't quite manifest but other better things did. So I think it was a little early, I think our timing, I think we were rushing again as we say in music. Yeah, keep it in the pocket. We were rushing. We were not in the pocket at that point. We were rushing. So, but my, my interest in mental health care goes way back to when I first was at university and I put myself through school by being a psychiatric aid in a state mental hospital. And then later on, I became a psychiatric technician, which is really close to a psychiatric nurse. And throughout the years, you know, when my show business career was sputtering or whatever I did work I worked in a number of mental health care facilities in Los Angeles and a lot of rehabs, particularly. So I was always, always interested in helping people in a, in a real way. And when I got to, you know, kind of a certain point in midlife, I, I felt that the work that I was doing, particularly in publicity was just shallow and meaningless and and what difference did it make if I blew this ego up for three months. You know, that didn't help them as a person or solve their problems. So, I was looking for something. I didn't know what, and my husband, God bless him, he, he bought me a past life regression session with a noted hypnotherapist here in Toronto. And not only did that session revealed to me a lot about my purpose in this life. But it also, it also allowed me to know that I could do that. I could do that process of hypnotherapy now I don't know whether I did it in the past life, but I would think maybe because it was so it was so strong so as quickly as I could. I went back to school I took the basic hypnotist course. And then after that I added to my repertoire and got involved with metaphysical hypnosis which today is my is my primary interest, although I do hypnotherapy for everything. So, but I, I studied with the great Dr. Georgina cannon who was very, is very close with Shirley McClain and I had wonderful teacher mentor. Can't hear you Debbie. I would say in my early 20s unbeknownst to me, I feel like the stage was being set for me. And I was sitting at home switching channels living in Silver Lake, and this movie came on about Barney and Betty Hill. Right. And they were an American couple they were abducted by extraterrestrials in New Hampshire in 1961 it was Estelle Parsons and Joe Jones, unbelievable acting, I was riveted. My mind was blown because this was a joke to me previous, and it changed my life it definitely set the stage for them reading Whitley Strieber for reading Shirley McClain and starting to open me up to a world and conversation and a feeling of truth. So that changed my life and I hear about this arc of where you had come from. How did this ufology connect for you with hypnotherapy and with hypnotic regression. Well, I have always been, you know, a stargazer, if you will, I've always been fascinated with the entire subject matter. And when I was a young actor. In the summer stock went in about 1973. I had some incredibly profound experiences, which showed me clearly that we were not alone. And so that my own personal experiences really can you share some of that. I can. And this is you know we're going back a little ways. By the way, I just wanted to mention that that wonderful film interrupted journey. At the time it was shot, I was a tour guide at Universal Studios and I was actually on the set for big chunks of that. And it was as spine tingling when it was shot, as it was in the final, in the final product. What a small world. I know, isn't that strange. Well, anyway, there I was at the Black Hills Playhouse, which is out in the middle of Rushmore State Park, which is where the Rushmore heads are of the presidents. And it's also the territory of the Lakota people and it's a sacred territory. And with very bizarre geography there's an area called the needles which is, I mean it just looks primeval there's it's a fascinating part of the world. When I went there, when I was a member of the company, I met a gal who she was a little bit older than I well I mean I at the time I was what 17 or something maybe maybe she was getting close to 30 she seemed really senior to me so she was great gal. She was a very busy singer in Las Vegas and of country music and she worked there all the time. I said well wow you've got this busy career you know what, what are you doing here. And she said well I'm kind of, you know, hiding out. And then she said to me that she was a very gifted psychic, which I had no trouble believing because she had these ridiculous eyes she was a big, I believe that. She said that she had been working for the United States government and in communication with ETS, which is, of course, telepathic and nonverbal, a lot of it, and you know she getting one of those plain wrap planes, you know and fly off to you know whether it was Dreamland or Area 51 wherever it was there was an underground base, and she worked there with a number of other psychics and communication. It was either exhausting or invasive I don't think the communication ever stopped once you started if you know what I mean. I think it was a 24 seven type of thing where she was being, you know, being given communications like all the time. She had, she had enough and one afternoon. I was hanging out by the snack bar something I was very good at and I happened to notice that entering, entering the theater compound was this big black. It was an anachronistic kind of 60s looking Chrysler town car. I mean it was something that was inappropriate I mean you would not. This was the 70s you didn't see those big black limos anymore like that those big black cars. I don't think it had fins but just about. So it came in, and the car pulled up in front of my friend's dorm where she lived. The car came these two. I'm going to call them beings because I don't believe that they were humanoid in the strictest sense of the word. They came out of the car they were both dressed. Again, anachronistically they looked like they were supposed to be thugs from from Chicago, something out of a, they were wearing fedoras, and they had these suits on. And I was so close I was only boy maybe 20 feet away, and their skin looked very plasticy. It didn't look, it didn't look like human flesh it look plastic to me is what I remember and they're and another odd thing is their pants were cuffed up really high and they were wearing these shoes that look like orthopedic shoes. And I wonder now where they waited, was that something they needed to walk around in our atmosphere I don't know. So they went into my friend's room. And you know this made me very nervous because I was worried about her of course, and I was just about to run inside I mean I don't know what I would have done wave my tuna sandwich at them I mean I don't know what my plan was but I was going to run in. And they, at that point they came out they're only in there for really a very few minutes and they pulled out of the out of the theater compound. So what I saw is what what was that, who are the, who are those, those beings what was that all about and she said well that was more pressure from the government to continue working in the communication program. And in truth, you know she had a car so I wrote around a lot with her that summer and every time we went into the little town which was Custer South Dakota. We would be followed by what I would have to call craft, because they were lights that were doing things that are that are aeronautically impossible for anything that that we have developed on our own so the presence was very much there. All that summer and that completely opened my mind to the possibility that that we are not alone and you know also I'm a great, I'm a great enthusiast of the of ancient archeology I believe we have had many great civilizations here, some of which were seated by beings from other places. And, you know, all of that ties into the work that I do. And when I, when I finally became a hypnotherapist and I was working for a pretty, you know, prestigious clinic. And once a month someone would call in and explain that they believe they had had experiences and they wanted, they wanted regression, and nobody else in the clinic wanted to have anything to do with that at all and I said, Great, send them to me. So what I eventually did is I adapted past life spiritual past life regression techniques to use with these lovely brave people. What's the goal of that Leslie why what it what benefits people to recover these memories or suppressed memories of ETS or ET encounters what do they do with it. Well, I believe that knowledge is power. And in truth, when people come to me, they generally have partial memories flashes of things. Maybe they have a little bit of the story so they they they come because on their own they have not been able to put together their truth. And of course many people come to me. I'm sort of a last chance Texaco if you will because many people who come to me have already investigated what we would consider mainstream, you know, psychiatric care. And there have been no answers there except people telling me that telling them that you know you're not insane that you're mentally healthy we don't know what this is. So, I personally also do not believe that any kind of memory block, whether it's been instituted by an off world civilization or whether it's been done by our own military black ops, I don't believe any memory blocks last forever. When people start having little flashes of stuff. That's the time when stuff is percolating and when they often come to me, it often, excuse me it often happens in midlife. Little more unusual for a young person to come to me. But what about abduction does that happen typically in familial lines. I've also heard. I've also heard, and I think Whitley Strieber has been on the show three times and I think it's through all of his books that it is mentioned several times and I think somebody else that I follow Lisa Royal hold talks about the fact that generally when people have had trauma, or a traumatic childhood, they tend to be more apt to be the ones abducted. Do you know anything about that and, and is it something familial. I think there are two parts to that question the first part is, I believe that the, that the experience or phenomena cuts through all lines of class ethnicity religious belief. I mean, you name it this. I see a wide variety of people. Now, a lot of them are highly functional, and are, I mean you would be surprised attorneys. I have a judge doctors, you know, and and so that sort of blows apart the, you know, this idea that it is people who are somehow, you know, unwell or have trauma I haven't really found that to be the case Debbie. I have found a real mixed bag, and in answer to your question, I am completely convinced that what most beings are interested in our individuals who have had PSI ability psychic ability. And I, I think it's because it's just plain easier to communicate. And keep in mind, you know, how many beings were probably talking about here. I don't know if the late. Michael Hillier ever did your program but he just passed he was a lovely man. He was the Secretary of Defense for Canada and also vice premier. And he was deep in the government activities of both the states and Canada because we're in bed together but you know it's nothing that happens that we don't know about so what he said, and this was just a few years ago that to his knowledge of the Canadian government and the US government were dealing openly with at least 83 different species. We're talking about a lot of different experiences and a lot of different beings. And in my, in my way of thinking and what I have heard and the incredibly spiritually uplifting experiences that some individuals have had. I think that most of the time we are dealing with benevolent evolved species who want to help us but at the same time, it's like raising children you know they have to learn, they have to learn right from wrong and become independent and we need to clean up from backyard. I think time before, before we're accepted into, you know, and I, and I kind of believe that there is a United Federation of planets just as Gene Roddenberry envisioned. I think there is an association of benevolent beings. And I, and I think that I don't think we need any help from anybody else to be terrible to each other. Right, we're doing a great job. What about hybrids Leslie are there, are there clients that you've seen who have somehow in this regression found out that they were hybrids or that they had their material had been used to create hybrid children and are they there. That is a real commonality. And, but it in the hybridization program. I'm going to call it the hybridization program because I believe it was primarily a specific species of grays that were involved in that the same grays that crashed at Roswell and had a deal with President Truman and President Eisenhower, these specific grays Zeta reticulates were, were given permission by the world governments to or by by the United States government at any rate to take a specific amount of individuals and harvest their DNA material. In exchange for which the US government would receive technology. And so from that kind of situation here we have you know we got integrated circuits, fiber optics, Velcro. There was, there was a lot of technology that came out after that time and that's one of the big reasons. If any, if any of your listeners are particularly interested in that very formative time and ufology there's a wonderful book called the day after Roswell by Captain Phillip Corso. And he was in fact the officer that was in charge of what they called the Department of Foreign Technology. And it was foreign alright so so yes the hybridization thing has gone on. And I have had many clients that are shown their, their children, who sometimes look so humanoid that, you know, they could pass, you know, and maybe a lot of them do now. They were raised by an otherworldly family who was raising them if, if in fact they have families that they are being raised by other these otherworldly beings and one of the reasons that they, they like to bring the parents on board you know later is to show affection. Apparently that particular group of grays the idea of affection and holding and hugging that's something very unusual to them. And they know it's a human thing and they know that these hybrid children needed on on some level. But you know I also think that walking around among us are pleiadians and learans and and beings that look so much like us that that you know their cousins they themselves cousins we come from the same geophysical origins, if you will, so I think we have both things going on but yes I and, and you know Debbie it was one of the one of the most heart rending things that I ever saw in my work was a very put other grown businessman and in the regression, his children came out and he didn't want to leave them. So he had extreme and we get that we have extreme parental feelings from these from our own people that's natural to us. That is that's that's what we're about it if we're if we're saying. The founding that goes on I can imagine and then something even energetic when you can recognize your own DNA. That's powerful. I regularly do contact work out in Joshua tree out in the desert. And I go with people and we've we've got. We are very much alone. First time definitely we saw craft. There is no doubt we had an incredible experience. And for people who are interested in actual contact, whether they follow Dr Steven Greer and a CE five work or otherwise. Things that we can do for us in the desert for where anybody is are there things we can do specifically to invite in to invoke our celestial brothers and sisters and have actual contact. I think we can do it anywhere. I think we can do it anywhere I think we're talking about telepathic beings and if we set our intention. And if we create the right vibration. So the things that the Greer protocol has that I find so interesting it's it's very Vedic in its in its approach. And so there are some there's some wonderful chanting and there are sounds that Greer has collected and I don't know if you need accessories in that way. I think that a few people with an intention, and maybe doing some meditation first. I think that they, they will say, see craft at the very least if their intention is true. You create the setup that you did for those who have had experience and come to see you. What is that like. Well, I think one of the most important things Debbie and this is true in every aspect of therapy I think no or any kind of light work or you must create an atmosphere of safety. And, and so it's very important to me my space is, is, you know, I call it the womb room, because it's really, it's really comforting I've all people love it so the safest space. And also, I, I think that one of the important things to remember about hypnotic regression is when people are recalling things and this goes for past life regression as well. There is no need to re experience trauma to have the benefit of having passed through it. In other words when I'm working with someone if as soon as I see from physical signs that they are becoming anxious about any particular situation and this would happen more when they're recalling childhood experiences I would say, I immediately turn that person into an observer. So, they, they come out of their body in a sense and they're looking down and they see what's happening, but they're not emotionally connected in the way of experiencing trauma. So, once I think my clients understand and trust me that I'm going to take care of them. I'm not going to let them experience trauma but they are going to come back with knowledge and insight. Then, then the work just flows and, frankly, in a way, I just kind of turn it over. I'm, I'm a guide. I'm a guide who knows how to talk to the subconscious mind, because all hypnosis is really self hypnosis. So that person that I'm working with wants to be in that altered alpha or theta state. And all I need to do is make them feel comfortable and guide them, according to, I suppose, instinct that I have, I guide them to the places where they're going to get the information that they seek. Is it only in person or do you also these days, work with people Skype zoom, etc. I do work online and I always did it a bit, but certainly in during the during the COVID. I just said I'm throwing caution to the wind and I'm just going to do it because people need my help and they can't get here. And but one of the providers that I always have in place is that when I'm working with someone in regression and it's online. They need to have a person with them there, who they trust, who can reestablish the connection should, you know, the Skype poop out or the zoom zoom out. And so there has to be that's my little proviso that there has to be someone there to reestablish the connection so that there's no risk of just leaving the person in trance, you know, hanging there. That that's my biggest fear about that kind of work. Sure. I did want to say, say one little thing about Betty and Barney Hill and therapeutic practice and recovery of memory. You know, when they when Betty and Barney went for their went for their hypnosis. They went to a Dr Bernard Simon who at the time was really known as the guy to go to for post traumatic stress disorder. In other words, you know what we used to call shell shock. He'd be dealt with a lot of soldiers and that was his forte. So what he did with Betty and Barney. Today, we would call it very poor therapeutic process, but he had a reason. He didn't want any cross contamination of information so he would meet with Barney, regress Barney, and then tell Barney that he wouldn't remember anything that happened in the session and sort of push everything back. And then he do the same thing with Betty but it doesn't didn't work as well she was far more in touch with the memories than Barney was. And by doing that, these poor people were re traumatized repeatedly, because so we don't we don't take out a memory and push it back in. I mean that would be something that would absolutely never happen with any non-conventionable practitioner today. So I just wanted to mention that those and particularly Barney Hill. You know Kathleen Martin of move on his Betty's niece so I had a chance to make depth about that couple and it's it's the opinion of the family that the way this experience was handled really killed Barney I mean he died way early from a stroke way earlier than he should have. He was very deeply affected. And there were no answers for him. It was, it was a very different situation with Betty who I think had experiences before that. I don't know if there really is, is such a thing as one isolated Yeah, I think it's very difficult, you know, with the abductees who have been traumatized to wake up in a situation that is terrifying to them, they feel zero control. I don't know many people like Whitley Strieber who can take something like that where he absolutely had PTSD but today it is a joy filled experience he's conscious about it he's aware about it he invites it in. How I mean is that typical can people turn that around and fight it around it. They absolutely can. And once I tell you I think one of the big things is when they finally realize that they're not mentally ill that they're not having a dissociative disorder that there actually are memories in there that they can now recall and see deeper and blah blah blah So, I think the relief of knowing that one is mentally healthy that you're just a very special person. And, and I also think that when you can take your power back. And actually if you're a person who has regular experiences and your experiences, and you're not getting any sleep, you can even negotiate with the beings. For instance, I had a wonderful guy was a college professor and I should also point out that many experiences that people have after midlife are a theory experiences more like astral projection, rather than physically being taken out through the walls or the roof. It's, it seems to evolve the the experiencer process seems to evolve to a point where it's all about the astral projection, which I think also many beings use. I don't think they're necessarily physically here all the time when we see them. I think they can holographically project and project their, their, their consciousness. And I think we we can all do it. Obviously we can. And so that's, that's what a lot of experiencers are going through. And so anyway this one, one college professor. He, he never slept because he knew that, you know, he was, they were going to come and he was going to go off and do something and it was going to be fascinating but he'd be beat and blah blah blah. So, I was actually, I just said, look, why don't we in real time, right now, why don't we talk to these beings or this particular being that usually you engage with, and explain that you need your sleep. I just don't think they understand. I don't think they sleep in the way that we do these particular beings. So we did that. And he explained he said I love what I'm doing with you guys but, and you can come and get me on the weekend or you are but Monday through Friday, I have got to sleep. And it works. I love the dates he's Callie is scheduling. Friday, hands off, but on the weekends, we can negotiate. And they understood it was all about, you know, we're not talking about, you know, gods here we're talking about other beings who are on the learning curve somewhere and maybe a little bit farther down the road, technologically than we are on this go around but remember on this earth on this terrain earth, we were every bit as sophisticated technologically as any of the beings that come here at one time. And, you know, I think that disasters, the earth's shifting its axis, the ice age, meteor showers, many of our great civilizations were destroyed and we had to rebuild, but look how fast we did it. I mean, when I was thinking about I was thinking about this today that my grandparents were both out of high school before the Wright brothers flew their plane at Kitty Hawk for like 30 feet or whatever it was. And then in the lifetime of my grandparents, they were able to see people go to the moon, but that's our, that's our fake space program. And that's what what NASA reveals, and I, one of the things that I'm finding now in my work, I'm having a preponderance of people coming to me who are participants in the secret space program. I would like to talk about that because I've had people, especially over the last year say things to me. I don't know what to do with any of them I had one person very, very good, both very gifted people actually the first person said to me you've been abducted before starting at a young age. You're originally from Libra, which totally made sense to me. Oh yeah. You know I didn't know what to do with that is that valid is that not valid I don't know. And then somebody else who said to me something about this government program and that I am somebody who has been taken for that. And again, what do you do with that how do you know is it impactful is it important. So it's what I would say is the people that have come forward to me that I've been working with have a very specific type of PTSD. They really have served. And, and so their memories tend to be more traumatic in the sense that there have been some battle conditions and things going on. I think you know what what we refer to as 20 and back, you would be probably in the right age category to have experienced something like that, because what what happens, theoretically, is that there's gifted children who are gifted, psychically or intuitively usually, or even our physically fit they like that to they, you know, they, they watch you growing up and eventually at a certain age you get kind of inducted into a sort of a cadet thing. And a lot of this happens, you know, with the complete cooperation of the of the American and Canadian and other military organizations so you're in this military cadet organization, and then they start taking you out of school to go experiment with other things and taking you other places and here and there. And eventually, at the age of 17 or 18, you're brought in front of the commander or whatever and asked if you want to move ahead in the program and become a cadet or flyer whatever they have in mind. And the, the individuals that sign and join that day, then become part of what they call the 20 and back. So they're taken to usually the first place they go is the is the lunar base, where they get their sort of basic training. So what they have signed up for is a 20 year tour of duty and at the end of the 20 years through the genetic magic that we actually have at our fingertips and that we've learned and taken from other beings and our own research. We are able to arrest those people in time back to who they were as a teenager, when they come back after their tour of duty. So suddenly they're a teenager, you know, and all of that implies with weird feelings, and big splotches of stuff missing. And yes, they're in their room and it's all familiar but they're, they're really 20 years older. And so that's, you know, somebody I don't know if you've ever had him on the show but someone who would be wonderful guest, good friend of mine will be Captain Randy Kramer. And he's, he's been on Gaia numerous times and he is has some incredibly in depth memories and experiences and he's very convincing so I would, and he could answer many more of these questions about the functioning of the secret space program but in recent time I have a lot of men and women I have a lot of these people waking up and coming to me and I have a real I have a real soft spot, a soft spot in my heart for veterans and veterans issues and all that goes with that. And the thing that angers me the most about this aspect of the secret space program is that we probably have millions maybe at least thousands of individuals who served, who served their country who served their world and experienced trauma and this that and the other, and and they're completely unacknowledged, unacknowledged. So, you know, that's, that's something that kind of kisses me off if I can say that on the radio. Absolutely. What about hypnotizing someone if a client comes to you. Have you had the experience where the contactee suddenly started channeling an extra terrestrial. Yes, I have had experiences like that, to be sure in fact one of the, one of our goals when I, when I work with these wonderful people is that we're looking for real time communication, which we can get in when the, when the person I'm working with is inducted into trance they can reach out to the beings that they, that they engage with and freely communicate with them. And that all we it's like all we have to do is set our intention. And everything is open to us. We create our own roadblocks. And one thing I did want to mention too, because I know you're going to ask me I think you're going to ask me. I believe that we are in the same soul group with many, many beings. And when I have worked in the areas of past life regression and interlife regression. When people have the experiences in their afterlife and they go to a council to, you know, talk about their next life coming in. These councils and many of the beings walking around are not presenting as strictly human. And so we are in a soul group with many beings that are that are related to us. And it's possible, for instance, you may well have had other lifetimes in the Liren system. We I believe that most of us who are really active in these in this field now have been at least one or two times, you know, having a life on other planetary systems. So can we find that out through hypnosis with you? Can you take us through a lineage regression? I can do that. I can do that. Absolutely. Anything that you can imagine can be done because it's all about the person in trance and what they want to do. Anything anything is possible. And, and I tell you, you know, I know that lineages are involved and you may well be carrying very special DNA just from being descended from ancients. You know, we there's a, for instance, you know, there's we have the issue of O negative blood, which still remains a mystery. The I am O negative myself. I'm telling you a high proportion of experiencers are O negative. I'm not sure why but I know that O is the oldest blood type on the earth. They know when the different blood types came in. And to not have the Reese's coating on your blood cells, which every other blood type has and every other creature on the earth. That's a little bit unusual. We find pockets of high, high percentages of O negative blood among the best people, like 90% of them 8090% of them have a have O negative blood we find it a lot in the Celtic peoples. So my feeling is that these that we are still carrying parts of ancient DNA that that is is part of our the very fabric of our nature. And when we wake up, you know, we're simply turning on and activating what we already what we already have what we've forgotten we have, we have global amnesia. What do you think, based on the work you do the people you meet the experiences you've had by virtue of your clients, what do you think it is that the extraterrestrials want or desire from us or with us. Well, I, I think that that is a big question considering how many groups of beings interact with us. But unequivocably, I, from what I have seen and heard the messages are the same. We are one love your fellow man, clean up your planet. I mean, we're, we're, we're getting the same kinds of messages, all the time. And it must be very frustrating, you know, for the benevolent ETS to be to be looking at us and saying, Oh my goodness, you know, what a planet of diversity. And on one end, you've got, you know, Charles Manson or Trump. And on the other end, you've got, you know, the Dalai Lama. I mean, we have a huge, we have a huge. You lump them together. I'm on board. I just got that in there. But it works, it works. There's stories are there because you've worked, I am assuming with some very fascinating cases. Yeah, are there a couple that you could share with us because I'd really love to hear. Okay. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Absolutely. Well, let me tell you a little story about, because a lot of a lot of the time when I'm working with individuals we spend quite a bit of time on the childhood experiences and processing them and, you know, and laying them to rest sort of. And one gentleman that I was working with and he had been taken the first time he was taken he was probably three. I mean, just a baby and this is quite common. And so as a child, you know, he was used to, you know, first, you know, there are, there are grays that I don't believe are fully biological I think they're more like androids in a certain sense. And the grays do a lot of transporting, even though they're not involved in the deep experimentation or the big process, and I don't think they're fully physical a lot of time so many beings that look like us have grays toting and doing this and they and that So the grays came to get my client one night and and he was about 12. And this is kind of a story about, about screen memories or artificial environments that can be created by extraterrestrials to make us feel more comfortable. So the ETS in this particular occasion, and he described them as very, you know, when he did see them, which was later he described them as very as humanoid but very slender very tall, hard to tell if they were male or female, but certainly not nothing very far out So, so he was, he was taken out of his house floated through the wall or the window or floated through the ceiling entered entered the craft on a beam, you know was just sort of sucked up into the craft. And the next thing he remembered is he was walking into a children's party. It was like a birthday party that had been set up and all these chairs were in a circle and he said some of the children were completely unconscious like their heads were, you know, and some of them, some of the children were recognized because he'd seen them before in other experiences. Some were just sort of dazed. And while this fake activity was going on. The beam came out of a out of a room and I think the idea was that these were really physical examinations that were going on. Nothing painful or hurtful, but just, you know, measurements, this that the other nothing benign, but they were going to do some, some physical So this beam comes out of this room dressed in a doctor's coat with a big stethoscope and a clown mask. And it, it was so out there and it terrified all the kids so much because clowns are serious where they screwed up clowns can be scary. Phobias one of the most common phobias I deal with fear of clowns. So, at that point, my client, being 12 years old and being kind of surly and grumpy anyway he like turned over the table and start throwing furniture is around and, and the next thing that he knew he was dropped into his bed, just dropped like boom you're back. I think he set up boundaries as a kid he wasn't going to have it and that they accommodated and gave him back to his home life. Yes, I think it's very possible that once you are, once you are aware of the idea that they can create synthetic situations situations or you know screen memories that you can call them that you can also see beyond them. So, you know, I, and, and I think that the in working with children this is kind of interesting what I hear about a lot are the brown doctors. Brown doctors are seemingly always involved with any kind of physical exams of kids they're there. They're frequently present. They don't like to be seen because they don't want to frighten the children. And so they often wear cows and kind of, you know, robes, but, but when I have gotten kids to tell me a little bit about them the skin is always brown I think they might be a type of benign reptilian. I'm not sure, but I know that we, according to Randy Kramer we have, we have treaties with a number of reptilians who are regular people, you know it's not. We can't judge them by the fact that they're that they have that kind of DNA so the brown doctors are omnipresent. And I had one client tell me channel the information that they are really the geneticists the expert geneticists of our part of the galaxy. Yeah, so, yeah. So that was, that was a kind of interesting little kid story. What about implants. Do you have clients who not only claim through working with you that they have implants or memories of that but actually a proof of it. I was very privileged to work on a project with a young woman, who's by the way her father had been in the military, we have a disproportionate amount of these children that are experiences her parents or were in the military. There's there's access there somehow, you know, so she had a very palpable implant, and I regressed her to the memory of it being implanted. And it was also magnetic. In other words you could you could hold a piece of metal to to her arm it was right it was on her arm right there. It was removed, and I believe it was removed and analyze at the University of Montreal, and they did find unknown metals unknown metals is what they said. And for more information about that I know that was Sid Goldberg project over at Gaia but many, many experiences have told me about receiving implants implants but one thing I'll say about that I don't think that they're negative. They're not tracking dots, and I'll tell you why they're not tracking dots because every human brain emits a unique signature every like a like a channel on a radio dial my brain emits its own signature unique to me, as does yours. They don't, they don't need a metal tracking dot to find us, or anything like that, if they're looking for someone they want to engage with, they can be found by their brain signature it's. So, it's my belief and from what my clients have told me, many of these implants are kind of like step up transformers. They're designed to help us stimulate psychic ability. That's a lot of what they're about. Interesting, and, and by virtue of stimulating the psychic ability, what is created that benefits the extra terrestrials. And what is created I mean there's the obvious what we could create by knowing, but what's the next step after that for us. Well, you know, it's, it's, it's hard to know but I believe it's all about communication. I believe it's all about communication and making communication easier. And I believe that the ETS a long time ago gave up on dealing with federal governments as far as disclosure. I think they've just had it, you know, and, and I know that there were several times where pleiadians came and offered, you know, the people in the White House and said, look, we could, we, you can have free energy. We can, we can clean up all this fossil fuel mess. And, and the government said, Well, no, because our economy will collapse and that's more important to us than, than this future that, that we don't believe is going to happen. I think that I think disclosure is a grassroots movement. I think it's happening happening person by person. It's happening through you. It's happening through many of our colleagues it's certainly happening through Whitley Strieber. We are really, and I love this term I think my next book I'm going to call this we're midwives of disclosure really. We're here to birth a new era because if there isn't a new era, there will be no eras. You know, I mean it's that serious if we don't get ourselves together as far as far as our violence to one another. As far as our, our inability to feed babies and children and people and women at the disgrace of our earth. You know, if we don't get it together. You know, I don't have much longer I completely agree and it seems to be the one thing in common between all the extraterrestrial experts that I'm talking to that they absolutely concur with what you're saying. I know that you have, Leslie, this knowledge of the abduction phenomenon going back to pre biblical times. And you've done a lot of research in that area so I'm kind of fascinated can you share some important points about that history. Well, I would just have to say that that, you know, the contact with the tease and what we call the abduction phenomena is, is nothing new at all. All you have to do is, is go back to the Bible, and you know Ezekiel was taken aboard a craft, even the prophet Mohammed was taken aboard a craft by the angel Gabriel and shown the world, as it was as an orb. And remember we're talking about these accounts of of these ancient biblical figures being taken and shown space and the fact that we live on an orb. You know, you're talking about a time when it was the flat earth society, you know, no one had any idea about the fact that we were living on an orb and that there were other or saying it saw stars but they didn't know the real deal. So it's, it's, it's something that has been part of our part of our genome, really. And I think if we look back to the beginnings of civilization to the Anunnaki and to the ancient Sumerian culture, many of the early answers start to come up there. The work of Michael Tellinger, we know the Anunnaki were mining gold in Southern Africa. We know that we know that they were extremely humanoid and very tall. And we know that from the translations of the cylinder seals of Zachariah, we know that one particular, one particular member of the royal family of the Anunnaki, Anki and his sister and his, and his son, they were very involved in the, in the kind of what we now know as the, as the Homo sapiens sapiens. We are a, we were upgraded. And, you know, Anki talks about in the last book of Anki he talks about how he observed many different, you know, myosin apes or early primates and he found a group that seemed to be passionate. And so he began his experimentation with them. And, you know, many of these terms like blue bloods this all comes from our early ancestry I believe the Anunnaki have copper based blood not iron. So it was a different, their blood would have been different. You know, these the cylinder seals are in great museums all over the world the information is there for us to us to learn about our, our origins or at least this aspect of our origins. And I think that one of the interesting stories about the Anunnaki are that when they were creating Homo sapiens sapiens. The only thing that they couldn't, they weren't able to create was Well, how should I put it they, the Anunnaki men all look like they were uncircumcised already they didn't have a foreskin. And so this foreskin that men have is comes from our more animal ancestry, and that is really where the tradition of uncircumcision comes from wanting to look more like the gods. So the foreskin has to be removed, because we want to look more like our ancestors. So that's where that kind of comes from. And, and then the Abrahamic tradition is all wrapped up in in encounters with different beings it's my feeling that the, the, the kind of angry God of the Old Testament was Anki's brother and leal. I don't believe it was God with the capital G. You know, I think that there were manipulations of human beings going on from the dawn of our creation. Powerful stuff. So what are you next year to dream Leslie, this is dear to dream what are your future dreams and goals. Oh boy, I would, what I would love to do would be able to travel and and speak more to individuals at different gatherings in different parts of the world. You know, and that's this, this travel and this sharing of information in a person to person way is something that we, you know, we haven't been able to do and, and we've been denied a bit so I guess my, my, my dream it sounds like a simple one, but it's a profound one because I believe that I would be able to reach so many people personally, and in those kinds of situations and help so many more people that I'm that I am doing now. When you mentioned earlier about the own negative I've never heard that before that was intriguing. That's often an indication. What about a positive. Is that also something a demarcation that that makes a separation there or positive is very basic. Well, all blood positive or negative is the oldest blood type on the earth, a and B and AB came along later. So someone, anyone who has all blood is carrying some pretty ancient DNA, whether it's positive or or negative. I love that. Oh, positive here. So yeah, yeah. Are you all positive. I am yeah. Oh my goodness. What about you. Oh negative. Very interesting and copper blood. That's like yeah, yeah. It just makes me think that wherever they live, whatever the atmospheric or non atmospheric system there must be something that would cause that to be healthy. Well our blood is is is iron based I mean I don't know if you you know working in the medical field unfortunately I've had occasions to, you know, to smell some big quantities of blood and it just smells like a piece of iron. It really does. I mean that's that we are an iron based being, and there's no reason why if you develop that another planet that that had different metals, why you wouldn't become a copper based blood wouldn't be copper based I don't see why that couldn't happen. Interesting. So for people who want to find out more about you they go to light work hypnosis calm. And is there anything Leslie and I hate that it's the end I do. Oh no. This is so yummy. What would you like to tell the listeners and the watchers here at the end. I would just like to say that knowledge is power. So if you are struggling with what you feel are repressed repressed memories if you're, if you're afraid to talk about this, if the memories are becoming more specific. Please, please reach out and you can always get me at Leslie les le y at light work hypnosis.com. And I'm also on Facebook as both light work hypnosis and Leslie Mitchell Clark so I would love to hear from anyone even if you just want to talk, even if you're not sure and you just, you just want to have some question you just have some questions about the process. Do not be afraid. There's nothing to fear. There's nothing to fear but fear itself. And along those lines Leslie when you make that recommendation and that kind offer. What if there is somebody out there says I don't know if I can be hypnotized or I don't know if I believe in that or I feel very self conscious and I may get in the way. Do you have ways around that you have 100% success rate and how can you work with people like that who may feel resistant to that kind of process. Well, frankly about there about 30% of people in general have difficulty being hypnotized. However, I must say that there's something very special about experiencers, because they generally go right into the zone. And, you know, I think probably getting people into trance is one of my, one of my strong suits my co workers call me the velvet hammer. I can pretty much conk anybody out without them feeling a thing so. But, but there have been there have been people who have been resistant I tell you what what it what can cause the most resistance is if there has been childhood trauma in in the physical life, you know, and you we were talking about that earlier. I have encountered that where I have not where the person was so they had suppressed so many childhood memories. So many, not just abductions that they were, they were terrified to go back and look at any of it. And that was more about the, the deep familial trauma that they had experienced than about anything extraterrestrial but it was all, it's all mixed up it's all in the subconscious. So I have experienced that where where childhood trauma has has gotten in the way. Very sad. Yeah, absolutely but I like that idea that when you bring somebody under you can have them be an observer, rather than a reenactor I think that sounds. Yeah, very healthy. Well you, you know Debbie first do no harm. That's the thing that's the hypocritical first do no harm. And, and also as you could probably imagine I, I have to be fairly careful on a certain level. About the mental health of people that I'm working with hypnosis isn't always indicated if someone comes to me and yet is exhibiting signs of more of a dissociative disorder or something profound. In which case, I have several colleagues who are psychiatrists psychologists psychotherapists who are open to the phenomena of, of contact, and yet they are legally and medically able to treat somebody who may technically have a mental health disorder. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you, Debbie. May we next meet at Cantors. Yes, I look forward to meeting you in person when the borders open up a little bit. And more will be revealed. Thank you for the great work you're doing. Thank you, my pleasure. I end today's show with this quote from verner von Braun. Our son is one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of the billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of presumption to think that we are the only living things within that enormous density. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation dare to dream with Debbie dashinger. And thank you for your comments. I do read them all I do get back to you. 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