 Hello and welcome to this webinar. My name is John Hitchman. I'm the Student Advisor, Immigration and Finance at SOAS with my colleague Shontel Buñez. She works in master's admissions and she's involved with the immigration side of the admissions department and we're here today to talk about tier four general student visa applications and how to make them outside the UK. The presentation lasts about 15 to 20 minutes and if you have any questions throughout if you'd like to type them into the chat screen and then at the end of the presentation we'll answer your questions so feel free to tap them in but we'll get to them at the end of this 15 minute presentation. If you find that you're having technical problems viewing the webinar you may want to try opening the link in a different browser so it may work better in another type of browser. So I'm going to start the presentation now and then as I said any questions you have throughout just tap them into the chat box. Okay so that's me Student Advisor, Immigration and Finance. My name is on the front of that car and this is a web link on this web page on the SOAS website. We have some very detailed guidance that will help you with the tier four application that will help you in two different ways. One of the guidance documents there is going to take you on a step-by-step route through the questions. The questions that you're going to be asked on the online application form and it will tell you where to find this for and how to complete it and any difficult questions there the answers will be there or explain how to answer them for your situation. And then the other bit of guidance we have there is going to tell you about the documents that you need to make your tier four application. This will be things like bank statements or financial documents and we're going to talk about the financial requirements and those documents in quite a lot of detail in this presentation. So you can always view this presentation again, it's going to go off onto YouTube where you'll be sent a link but then please refer to this page for more detailed in-depth guidance. So this is what we're going to be talking about today, making your tier four general student visa application and how you do that, how you make the online application, where can you do that, where should you apply, when should you make your application, what documents do you need, how much money you will need, that's a big important one. We're also going to talk about whether you can bring your family or not and then at the end as I've said if you have questions please tap them into the text box throughout the presentation. Okay so firstly who can apply for tier four student visa? So in order to make a tier four application you must have been accepted an unconditional offer at Sova. So you'll have been sent an unconditional offer by admissions and that means you're not waiting for anything, the results of any any English tests or any qualifications that you're studying, you have all those results in hand and you've been given an unconditional offer. Once you have an unconditional offer then you need 40 points to be granted the visa and now 30 of those points are going to be given to you for having a CAS and that's the thing called confirmation of acceptance for studies and that's a document that you can request from the admissions team. Once you have an unconditional offer but these CASs won't be issued until three months before the start of your program. So our programs are going to be starting at the end of September this year so the CAS issuing process will start at the end of June okay and the 30 points for this CAS document the CAS itself is an electronic document details of which will be emailed to you by the admissions team and the documents created on the UK visas and immigration computer system. So the home office are aware that you're going to apply UK visas and immigration are aware and you have a unique number that you can use for your visa application and then aside from the CAS you also need 10 points for maintenance or money that's what UKVILI refer to as money and we'll talk about how to show that you meet that requirement as we go through. So next how do I apply? So you can use the online application system which as I said we've got guidance telling you how to do it it's pretty straightforward probably take you about about 20 minutes to fill in the application form. You also have to pay the immigration health surcharge this is a charge that's you pay at the end there's part of the payment process in your visa application and it covers the cost of the national health service in the UK. So once you've paid this you're entitled to access healthcare throughout your time here as a student. Now the cost of the immigration health surcharge is currently £150 but it's going to go up to £300 sometime this year we don't know exactly when we believe it may be in September so hopefully if you're applying for a visa to come before September you should pay the small of the lower rate but we can't guarantee that. And then the application fee for the visa is £348 you have to pay that as well or the local equivalent and as part of the process you print a cover sheet and you submit this cover sheet normally by post but sometimes in person we're supporting documents and those documents will include things like your bank statement but we'll talk in more detail about the documents as we go through. You'll also have to submit your biometrics so that means giving a scan of your fingerprints and also a photograph of your face and that will be taken at a visa application centre and then stored on a thing called a BRP which we'll talk about later and you'll also have to do a brief interview which will be done via a secure skype line at the visa application centre. That will be very brief probably about a 10-minute long interview just asking you simple questions like why you decided to study it so as and why you decided to study the United Kingdom but pretty straightforward stuff. And then if you're a national of certain countries you may be required to take a TB test as well to confirm that you don't have tuberculosis and you'll be able to find out whether to do that or not via our guidance. So where can you apply? So you normally apply for your tier 4 visa in your country of nationality so we've got a star next to that. The reason for that is if you have a right of residence in another country so if you're living in a third country, not the United Kingdom, not your country and maybe there is a student or a worker then you can make your visa application there. Now if you're visiting another country as a tourist you won't be able to apply if you have a tourist visa you'll need a right of residence in that other country in order to meet your tier 4 application there. And you can book an appointment at the end of your online application okay that's how you that's how you can go and attend to make the application and you need to read instructions about where to go for that appointment. In some countries that's going to be somewhere quite local to you hopefully it will be quite nearby and then you attend that you give your biometrics as I mentioned you attend the interview which will be done by the Skype line and then you submit the cover sheet the form and supporting documents and at some stage it should be turn around times should be 15 working days for this it can be longer than that occasionally. You will get your 30 day vignette okay and this is a visa that's valid for 30 days allowing you to travel to the United Kingdom in time for your studies. Once in the UK you have 10 days you can go and collect your biometric residence permit which contains your biometric information that you've given and that visa will contain the full length of your visa for the rest of your studies in the UK. When should you apply? So as I mentioned you can apply up to three months before the start of the course so that will be around the end of June for most of our programs will be when you can start applying and before you apply there are certain things you need to think about that are very important so firstly you need to make sure you have all the academic documents that are listed on your CAS to say that these are documents that so as as you use this evidence to give you an offer on the place of the course of study that you're going on to. So maybe if you're doing a master's program you sat an undergraduate degree somewhere else so you might have the degree certificate or the transcript something like that you may also have an English language test that proves you could speak English to a certain level and that will all be listed on your CAS as evidence that there will all be a document you've already provided to so as but you'll need to provide the original document again as proved to get your tier four visa. You also need to make sure you meet the financial requirements and have documents that prove this and this is something that we're going to talk about in a little bit more detail as we go through this application or webinar and so in general the documents you require aside from that would be two passport photos your passport normally just one you may require to submit more than one if you have two valid passports your confirmation of acceptance for study so this isn't a physical document it's an electronic document but you're going to need this email version of the CAS to hand when you fill in your visa application then you're going to need all the qualifications as we mentioned that are listed in your CAS as evidence and then proof of English language ability if it's listed in the CAS so that could be an IELTS test proving that you've got a certain proficiency in English and then you need proof of maintenance which could be bank statements could be something else but we'll talk about that in a bit more detail in a minute now I've mentioned at the bottom here low risk nationals some people are from a country that is classified as they describe it as a differentiation arrangement or you're considered a low risk national so people from these countries don't have to provide the academic and maintenance documents now the guidance and the form you're ticking boxes in the form to say that you have the academic documents and you have the money but it's just that you're not submitting a document so we would advise that you have those documents at home and they're all prepared and ready for action if you need them but actually you're not going to be submitting those okay so the big question really is how much money will you need to show so if your program is longer than eight months in in duration you're going to need to show you the fees for your first year just your first even if it's a three year four year long program and 11385 pounds for maintenance now if your program was less than eight months it will be the full fees excuse me for the first year plus 1265 for each month or partial month so if your program was five and a half months long you need 1265 pounds times six so the partial month five and a half would round it up to six months if your fees are shown as paid on the cash so once you've paid your fees to so as you could have your cash amended to show the fees are paid you don't need any more evidence of that and if you're sponsored or receiving loans then depending on how you get this sponsorship if you're getting some sort of scholarship via SOAS you may have that mentioned on your CAS but if you're receiving loans or a scholarship you're going to need a formal document to confirm that as well and the kind of loan that you get would need to be an official government student loan from your home country and if you are receiving loans or a scholarship if they're not going to cover the full fees plus the amount you require so maybe 11385 if it's more than eight months length of your course then you need to show the remainder in a bank account so the funds that any funds that you don't have from loans or scholarships you show them in a bank account the money could also be held in a bank account of a parent if you're going to use a parent's account you need to have their permission and you need to prove your relationships and by showing a birth certificate as well and any funds that you show in your account or your parent's account have to be held for at least 28 days before the date the apply for your tier 4 application so at least 28 days longer is absolutely fine and then can you bring your family with you yet which you can if you're a postgraduate student on a programme of more than one year in length or if your government sponsored and on a programme of longer than six months and when we talk about family members or dependents the people we're talking or referring to are your husband your wife your unmarried partner or your child under 18 any other family members I'm afraid you can't bring on as a tier 4 dependent but those people could come and visit you on a standard visitor visa and the maintenance for dependent is slightly less so if your programme is more than eight months your dependent would need 7605 pounds that would be for each dependent and if it was less than eight months they'd need 845 pounds for each month or partial month so that's a brief run through as I said there will be a link to this video again you can watch that get an idea of how to apply but we also have our online guidance and if you use all those resources hopefully the visa application should be really straightforward and we will see you at Saras so thanks for listening and now as I mentioned it's time for any questions that you have so I'm going to let Chantel answer this question from Anirag he says currently my offer is labeled as conditional after the submission of the transcript of my last semester and the undergraduate certificate so as and after receiving approval from master's admissions will the offer be translated into unconditional yes as long as you're you know you have been awarded the grade that we mentioned in the in the offer letter then we'll revise the offer and make it a conditional yes from from lina yeah so I'm just reading it at the same time yeah lina you said you've submitted your your request for CAS well we're going through them now we are initially issuing CAS is for students who start early because we have programmes that start at the beginning of September and we also have students that need to attend a processional English course so we are prioritising these ones first and then we go through the the CAS where you know the programmes start on the 24th but as John mentioned even if you have a CAS issue and the programmes start on the 24th of September do not apply now you have to wait until the 24th of June before you can submit your visa application if I apply for a visa in July June says Shruti if I get a visa by mid-July or end of July then the visa is applicable for 30 days do I need to reach within that period so no the 30-day vignette maybe I didn't make that clear enough the 30-day vignette will be will be designed for you to come in the day that you say you're going to travel to the UK based on when your your programme starts so you know normally that would be you could be up to 30 days before the start of your programme if you apply late for your visa and it's less than 30 days till the start of your programme then the vignette will start as soon as it's issued and you'll have a bit of time after the programme start but hopefully that's not going to happen in everybody gets here on time so yeah you know you decide when the 30-day period is it's not it's not just um falls upon you so Manish has said does a dependent visa holder need IELTS results also so now the IELTS results would just be for you the tier 4 applicant Manish your dependents would get a visa just by showing they meet the maintenance requirements and also by proving their relationship to you so after your your your husband wife or unmarried partner of two years or more you prove those relationships or your child would you provide a birth certificate and so on um Anna says if I want to use a step parents statement how do I prove we are related well in terms of a step parent they need to be your legal guardian for UK visas and immigration to accept the statement from them so if they actually are your legal guardian you have a document from a court that confirms that that would be the proof that you need okay otherwise if if that's not feasible it will be a good idea to if they're happy to do this to ask them to transfer the money into your account now and then let it sit in your account for 28 days before you apply um Hassan has mentioned should accommodation fees be mentioned in the CAS or application for home office unfortunately because accommodation fees so as are paid to a third party so our halls are actually run by uh an organization called Century Housing then we can't mention any payments in the CAS so anything you pay towards accommodation can't be deducted from your visa application so the answer today is no I'm afraid and then Hawaii Wing has said when when you say we need to prove the amount of money in our parents bank account is birth papers suitable so yeah a birth certificate would be fine and also a letter from your parent to give permission for you to use their funds as well and then we've got a question from Hannah in order to obtain an unconditional offer from so as do we need to send a hard copy of our diploma by post or is a scan of the original sufficient I'll let um yeah we don't expect our copy because that would be too dangerous if you're sending the post and it's get lost because you wouldn't need that for your visa application anyway so a scan of the original document is sufficient it has to be in color and you send it to master submissions at soas.ac.gov thank you right and Jake says is I always needed if I received the required grade mentioned as a condition for my school's English exam for Chantel I'm not sure whether that's PGT is that an undergrad or post-grad I don't know Jake get back to us and let us know if you're an undergrad or post-grad student and then we can we can advise you about that and then Sara says do I have to take the English proficiency test if I've done the international baccalaureate with English as my first language sometimes we can we can look at the grades that you have in the IB so I would suggest that you send a copy of it and then we will just assess it and then get back to you and let you know and confirm whether you need a notice or not okay and then Rahi says do I need to show a certain amount of money in my personal parents personal bank account even if I'm funded through the SOAS research studentship so essentially if you're funding from the SOAS research studentship it covers your full fees and 11,385 pounds for the first year no you don't and if you that should all be confirmed on your CAS but if the studentship doesn't cover your full 11,385 pounds or the full fees then you'll need to just make up the difference with your own funds so whatever that difference is so Ho Chiang is saying hello John my undergrad transcript will be issued at the beginning of July after submitting my evidence of transcript to get an unconditional offer will it be too late to apply for the tier 4 visa in July or August so no it shouldn't be too late um as I said they they turn around time the UK VI advertises is 15 working days generally they stick to that occasionally in some countries it might take a bit longer but essentially if you had about a month for most people that should be long enough so even if you're applying in August you should just about hopefully have it in time to get here but you know ideally apply as soon as as soon as you're able to really okay Dina says I'm a dual citizen living in a non-low risk country by only hold a low risk country passport can I apply with a low risk student application so yeah that's fine you can use your low risk country passport if that's the passport that you travel on I think yeah I think that's fine you apply as the national of the lowest country ah but Dina this is the important bit that I've suddenly realized so because you're applying as a low risk national outside of a low risk country you still have to show the evidence so even though your visa will be issued on a low risk national passport you still need to show the full amount of funds you won't be considered low risk because you're not in a low risk country so Selim is asking how much time do I have to find an external funder I mean again yeah you know you could be making a visa application probably right up until the end of August Selim and and still get here in good time you know if you're once you're getting into September you're probably getting quite close to the wire people can you know we'd like you to be here and join us at the start of welcome week so you can get the most out of the week and meet all your tutors and also get involved with other activities and find out how the services at so has worked but if you can't it is possible to enroll late and normally you can roll up to a couple of weeks really from the start of welcome week so if it comes to that you might still be able to get here but at some stage you know if you're starting to miss classes I think it will be problematic so you probably stay in touch with us about that if you're going to be delayed get in touch with admissions about that so Marine says I've received a conditional offer from so has I must submit my IOC score in 13 days let's assume that I was required to do a pre-session of English course what is the best way to do that with the CAS would it be possible to get one CAS instead of two in this way I finished a pre-session of course and then start the MSc program so this is all based on the English level that you require and I think if you're going on to a if you if you assess as becoming a four-week or an eight-week pre-sessional then we can issue a joint CAS so one CAS so you don't you know you can once you've finished the pre-session of course then you can you can go on to the master program without submitting a fresh visa application but if you're if your IOC scores one on the 12-week pre-sessional then you will have to apply we kind of issue a joint CAS and you would have to have two CASs one for the pre-session of 12 weeks and then one for the master after us. So so Marine if you have to do that we will be providing some extra support for you to make that visa application in the UK towards the end of your pre-sessional so don't worry if you if that's something you have to do every year we have a few students that do that and we can we can help with that. So Kyra or Keira is saying if you are designated as a part-time student doing a two-year post-grad program holding an unconditional offer will I need to reapply for the visa during the interstitial summer or would the visa cover the full duration of the entire frame from this part time so the visa would cover the full duration of the program as part-time. Just a reminder tier four part-time is new this year and it's something that we might have some students taken up it's important to remember that you can't bring dependents on tier four part-time and this wasn't in my presentation but I know we said that you can't work you don't have any right to work in the UK whereas a normal tier four student at this level of study would better work for 20 hours a week. And you can't change your model studies either in the UK if you have to to leave. Yeah you wouldn't be able to switch into full-time. Hassan said should accommodation fees be mentioned on the CAS so we've kind of covered that already now we can't mention them I'm afraid you just have probably it's better if if you've just got enough money to pay for your accommodation don't pay your accommodation until you get to the to leave applied for the visa. So A-Ram Park says hello I'm currently completing an MA at SOAS but I will be enrolled on a PhD in September does this mean I'll have to apply for a fresh TIF or visa in my country no not necessarily you could apply for that visa in the UK as long as you are finishing your master's program in September so get in touch with registry to or actually get in touch with the doctoral school about the CAS and then they'll refer you to us for advice but you can get in touch with student advice and well-being. As a recipient of a SOAS research student ship do I need to pay any amount of income tax well students are not exempt from income tax but you don't if you've got a part-time job Rahi you probably won't be required to pay any but the threshold for income tax is 11 and a half thousand pounds a year this year. Manish is asking can a dependent visa be applied at the same time as a student visa it can you can do it at the same time it's as separate online applications it's not all on the same form it's probably a good idea to do the main tier four application first and then the dependence applications. Jessica is asking so basically if I show my official full transcripts and get a paper from my university statement officially finished studying then my offer becomes unconditional which means I get a cat so I'll let Sean tell. Well yes in theory but we need to see if your transcript mentioned that your degree is being awarded then that's fine we don't need any more you know documentation from the university otherwise yes we will need something stating that you have officially completed your study and being awarded your degree. Can I when Lucian said can I apply presenting TEFL instead of IOS well you can but again you have to reach a certain level of English before we can assess your the scores on the TEFL and in which case we will if we accept the TEFL certificate and you meet our English requirement then we would we will put a paragraph on the cast saying that you are exempt from submitting further evidence of English we can do that as a higher education provider. Supertan is asking will I be offered accommodation after my offer becomes unconditional. You can apply for accommodation if you have paid a deposit and I don't know how that works whether you put on a waiting list or not but as long as you paid the deposit and you've accepted your offer you can apply for accommodation even if the offer is conditional. Yeah I I I know about you because I know you are you've applied for a scholarship or SOAS and you have a 12 week at the moment the the you have a 12 week processional to to complete I am not sure if that is covered by the scholarship so you need to discuss this with the scholarship or SOAS and see what they say. If you want to attend the processional anyway and pay for it that's fine as well you have to apply separately to if sales but you need to do that very very quickly because the processional starts on the 29th of June so you have very little time to to apply and then you know for your visa etc. So William says how much time should I allow for the visa to be processed in return should be 15 working days should be the maximum but you can check local processing times on the UK VI visa processing time website we've got a link to that in our guidance so Jake you're an undergrad student well I can't what was that question from Jake I can't remember no sorry Jake we've we've really got a bit over one with questions here if you like to email undergrad admissions at soas.ac.uk and they'll be able to help you with your your query Jake so apologies for that. Manish has said do we need a confirmed ticket to be booked before we apply for the visa no you don't need to do that you could just make it clear when you plan to travel so that's fine. So Rahi's mentioning that the scholarship they're going to receive is our studentship says the money will be paid in transfer to me when I'm fully enrolled and have a bank account what is it considered what are you considered to be fully enrolled do I need to arrive well before the beginning of term to enroll well enrollment takes place during welcome week so you can enroll that week the bank account needs to be in the UK or British bank branches in the India so it's probably going to make more sense to get a UK bank account it's quite easy to do that once you're enrolled and you have a bank letter in the UK so it's a good idea to bring for that for that sort of period between arriving in the UK and opening a bank account which could take a week or so to open so you could be looking at a couple of weeks it's a good idea to have a credit card or some availability to money from your home country please don't bring lots and lots of cash with you so that's not such a good idea but travellers checks could be okay but otherwise a credit card or a debit card from your home country that you can use in the UK would be a great idea until you've actually opened an account here. Yeah the pre-runner I said though I finished my bachelor degree requirement the convocation is in August and therefore I will receive the degree certificates only by August with the transcript plus an official letter stating that I have completed the degree requirements of this I'm not too sure where you are currently studying but if you for example we do accept provisional degree certificate from India and and that's fine that and the transcript would be okay for visa application and for us to to issue the cash. Okay a seller says I have a PhD offer and keep looking for an external funding option may I learn how much time I have to find it well if we're talking about applying for the visa seller then yeah I think you ideally need to be applying for the visa by the end of August really to get here on time to start you know the absolute latest probably be the beginning of September so Ashley says do I need to take any English proficiency test or that isn't mentioned under my conditions required I'm a post grad student and no if it's not mentioned in your letter then you don't need to um to submit everything English evidence no uh I think we'll also touch on that question how long does so as required normally to issue the cash as I said with certain issuing cases for students who stops early early September or for professional students and then we take it you know according to the dates the the request has been issued has been submitted so it depends on when if you have even submitted your cash request so it could take a couple of weeks we are we are you know there's quite a few requests at the moment pending so but we're going through through them as quickly as we can okay Anna Anna says there's no British Embassy in my country residents how do I send my biometrics well for some countries if there's no British Embassy you may be required to travel to another country for instance people in Iran would travel to the United Arab Emirates or Turkey to make their visa application but also there may be facilities for um doing that in your country even if there's no embassy there you may be doing stuff by post so what I suggest doing is going to the British Embassy website for your country and then seeing what the arrangements are for visas it should be quite clearly laid out there but if it's not um then get in touch with us so okay and then Majiba is asking if we need translations for financial documents should we wait to show you 28 days so yeah that's a really good point Majiba if you're going to get your documents translated into English because they're not in English then it's a good idea to wait until the money is there those statements are ready to be used and then get them translated because there needs to be an accurate translation yeah Rahi that question actually uh you know I nigh hold a conditional offer from SOWAS and was required how copy evidence of having completed an MFIL assume that you're applying for PhD and they have different requirements and so I would say that if you want an unconditional offer you need to get in touch with the doctor school as soon as you can and then there will be the one issue in Kaz is not not me okay so Manesh is saying can a dependent visa be applied for at the same time along with the student visa well pretty much the same time it's a separate application as I said we suggest you do the the main applicant tier 4 application first do you need a ticket no we've mentioned that you don't uh you you uh says may I know Kaz if Kaz is equal to a conditional offer document no it is uh well technically it's not equivalent but you will not be issue a Kaz unless you have a conditional offer okay um yeah Kyra Kyra Kyra is asking if the United States is low risk yeah it's low risk Kyra please check online check our guidance and you can find out more about this Hannah's asking if we can use multiple bank accounts um in order to meet the maintenance requirements yes you can they need to cover the same 28-day period and you need to make sure on each day the funds don't drop below the required amount so if your course is more than eight months 11385 pounds Amira the classes for the MA program does that start a week after a moment so 24th of September uh week is registration week and and the class you start the following one day okay Yahi's asking if you're a sponsored by a scholarship do you have to pay your tier 4 application fee in general yes you do Yahi unless you're a UK government sponsored student on a Chevening, Marshall or Commonwealth scholarship if you're one of those um scholars then you don't pay the application fee and you don't pay the immigration health surcharge but all other scholars will do then Matt is asking once you've applied for and received the there's the visa valid for the duration of your studies um and if and he says he'll be assuming he'll be so as up to three years so yes Matt your visa will be valid for the length of your program of studies for the three years plus four months at the end Rahi I think Rahi you might want to get in touch with us about this it sounds quite complex so if you want to drop a line to but this is a PhD student as well so we need to contact uh yeah if you get in touch with doctoral school admissions and I think about this one because this is a bit of a complex question for the for the chat here so what Wacini you're talking about coming to study the pre-sessional program uh the pre-sessional course and you can get some immigration advice from from Delia Lozano who's probably been in touch with you about your accommodation about your cares she'll be able to help you with with that query about dependent on a pre-sessional course the Marine said when I do when I do the pre-sessional do I have to receive IELTS afterwards no you don't hopefully after the end of the pre-session no you will meet our English requirement and you can go the main course the main program yeah just to reiterate if you your 30 day vignette will be 30 days leading up to the start of your program but you can define when that starts you can you can change your date of travel so you basically you can control when the 30 days start so don't worry if you apply for your visa mid-July you just put your travel date in September or whenever you plan to come your 30 days will start then so don't worry and I am just quickly to wrap it up yes you if you are going to renew your passport it's much better to wait to request the cares and sure you have your new passport issue because if we should get with your old passport number on it we would have to update it amend it so it's much better to wait until until you know you have a new passport so William is asking if the biometrics is something we do in our home country that's something you'll do in your home country William if you're applying in your home country so Dina is asking is there a visa for someone to visit their spouse who is on on a visit visa um so visit their spouse who is on student visa I mean yeah that would just be a visit visa so that will be a six month long standard visitor visa which you can apply for depending on nationality the person the student is they either have to apply at home where they can apply at the border when you turn up at the airport in the United Kingdom um so Manish is asked if you're what if him and his wife are staying with relatives in London do you need to show maintenance fees in in the bank account yeah you still need to show those I'm afraid even if you've got somewhere to stay in London Rahi is asking if you need to submit any medical reports apart from the TB reports no the TB test would be the only thing you need to submit and that's only for people coming from countries that require that test you can find out about that online but Darren I'm just reading your question about you completed an NFL in the UK a few years ago and of course the SOAS would be an MSc in terms of progression that might be a little difficult so we would have to look at your application because normally you have to walk up a level not down the level so maybe we you can email master's admissions about that and then make a look into it and uh and answer your query directly the Manish has said that the funds maintenance funds in the account need to be shown in liquid cash or mutual holdings for all to be acceptable and they need to be yeah liquid cash they need to be money that you could take out at any time not money that's held in any sort of investment can I also just mention something about you know showing evidence of funding it's only your parents or your own money in your own bank account not your uncle or your grandmother or anybody else any other relative which is very important that you know you you show you okay thanks that's the end of the question thanks very much for attending the webinar today and see you next time