 For the season, oh for the season, I know. And they have lost all the scoring opportunities. Your sister with a thingy? And it was raining. She's like disturbing a couple of trees. Sorry to hear that. Oh for the season, oh for the season. I know. I mean, it's the champions. I know. Julia. It's like they're turning into the chess. Oh, don't say that all out. I've enjoyed actually not watching football because the weather's been so nice. But I have enjoyed seeing the either of the four. Every time. They've been playing lights up. Well, they're not playing great teams. Yeah, no, but they're winning. Seeing it's hard to win any of them. So these guys are doing a good job. Washington is doing pretty good, too. Yeah, they are. We're going to do a little something for Channel 17 because we're coming up next week is community meeting. We're going to come to the front door and have a community meeting. So we have a sign that's not nice. Happy community meeting. Yeah. Happy community meeting. Yeah. I will do my best, but I'm going to warn you at the end of the day. I said I'm Andrew Vermont from Housing Crowd. That is really funny. It's awesome. I couldn't believe it. Is he bad? Yeah, he's bad. Yeah. He's bad. Yeah, but he wasn't too bad. Okay. So let me see. I'll give him time to get here. Do it now? Yeah. Okay. Are you okay with that if we do the thing now? Okay. Exactly the minutes. So folks, we're going to delay starting the meeting for a moment because we have a special up here stand now. No, just in time. Dan is going to join us. Are we going to stand up? I think we have to. One of us in the front, right? Yeah. Okay. We're going to stand up and we're going to wish everybody a happy community media day. Media. Not medium. Yeah, not medium. Media day. From the Essex Association of Trustees. Okay. There's just cool pictures. There you go. You're going to do a cheer. Okay. So you want to do one, two, three? How about you two? Okay. I'll count down from three. Three, two, happy community media day from the Essex Association of Trustees. Thank you. All right. Thank you, audience. Okay. We don't like going for it. And now I would like to say welcome to the Essex Junction trustee meeting. Please join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, invisible with liberty and justice for all. Welcome, everybody. And if you haven't signed in, please do so. First order of business, agenda additions, subtractions. That's right out. Thanks. I would like to subtract me from the agenda, but that's not possible. So we're going to add 4C. Lieutenant Ken Bolio is here from the Essex Police Department. And also you have before you the internal copy of the winter operations plan, which has phone numbers that should remain internal. So other than that, that's it, sir. Okay. Thank you very much. Do I hear a motion? I'll move to approve the agenda as amended. Second. Any for the discussion? All in favor? All right. Great. And so, Pat, I had one question. We had discussed a resolution beforehand. Is that? We did. I'm going to mention that in the manager's report. At the manager's report. But we don't have a document to go with that. That's just part of the manager's report. Okay. Great. So first order of business. Guests, anyone in the audience who has a comment question about something that's not on the agenda tonight. Okay. So we will start right in. And we are going to hear from Mr. Tim Shea from the CVE regarding the 2017 Wolfscar Auto Show. Tim, do you want to join us up here? Yes. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight. I'm Tim Shea, Executive Director of Champlain Valley Exposition. And I'm here. I think the topic was discussed at a meeting last month. Yes. And soon after Pat and Robin reached out to me as far as to talk about the Wolfscar show. I have a memo I think that you received in advance here that we host every August or so. And last year in 2016, there were some questions about the sounds that came out from the event. And we met I think in September of last year and with Pat and Robin and they asked us what we could do to limit the sound that comes from the event here. And I addressed this in the memo. It's a few thousand people that are there for the weekend. We have a couple hundred that camp out back on the Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights. What we did this year, and I'm repeating what's in the memo, but we one worked with a promoter on the group. We increased the overnight security. We did obtain a sound waiver for the event, which we hadn't had before this year. And so we did have the, I'm not sure if you've received the sound report from the engineer. And it did stay within the parameters of the sound waiver or the sound ordinance whether. So we monitored the sound. We added one issue in 2016 was the feedback from Essex police and our security was that in the camping area where it happens mostly nighttime when the noise occurs in the evening hours, was that with the limited lighting in the camping area it was hard to really manage the crowd. So we added some light towers this year, which helped out quite well. And then we had Essex police have a more regular presence during the evening hours. They weren't stationed there, but in working with Chief LaRose encouraged his folks to look through as often as they could when they're passing through. Which they do oftentimes in the fairgrounds anyways and we appreciate that. And then we had added private contracted security there about 24-7. And I thought that this year went better than years previously. We hadn't received any calls with our sound engineer there. We were within the parameter. And as you understand the sound ordinance it can peak for a period of time, but not more than the five minutes or a certain level of more than an hour and we were within that. In fact, when you look at the report some of the loudest noise occurred at five in the morning. And that could be the garbage trucks emptying the dumpsters in the shopping center next to us. You don't really know what the source of it. Because we're in the mic-less position not that far from the shopping center either. So you really don't know what the source. I can say at five o'clock in the morning most of those folks were sound asleep at that point. That's not saying there weren't some spikes also at ten or eleven o'clock or nine either, but not for a period of time. So when... Chris Sheikwin did let me know that he's coming to the meeting in September and I was the first I had heard that there were any issues because we hadn't heard from our report and our discussions and I'll be... I didn't talk specifically with Chief LaRose after the event that something had occurred. Typically if something occurs in our place we hear about it pretty quickly. So the first we had heard that there was an issue was that conversation that Chris and I had back in September. From our perspective and the event went well I was a bit concerned that the minutes for the meeting in September and I have... it was reported as a drunken something and I don't think that was a fair reflection upon the event. They were all of age. They were consuming alcohol. The average age is probably 25 or 30-year-old mostly brownling male. They do have cars. They may rev an engine here and there but sound doesn't come from that. But by no means was it an out of control thing. I think Essex Police, and I can't speak to them certainly but I've talked to Chief LaRose since then and I don't think it was an incident that they were concerned of public safety nor sound coming from the fairgrounds that had to be changed or controlled. I like to think we are... we try to be good neighbors and I like to think for the most part we are... there are probably eight or ten days throughout the year where you can hear activity going on there. The majority of those are the fair but one thing I never realized so I started working there about five years ago was what a community... what a park the fairgrounds is as well and we're happy if you can do that. A lot of our neighbors come out there and they walk their dogs, drive their bikes. They let us know hey it looks like somebody was doing something they shouldn't be doing last night and they'll call Essex Police if somebody's out there doing donuts in the back 40 there and we appreciate that and they appreciate having this green space next to them for about 345 days of the year they can use. So I'm happy to answer any questions I don't know that I have the silver bullet answer to make it all go away but I want to make sure that you folks know that Pat reached out to us last year and said hey we need to put some things in place to manage this more effectively we take that very seriously and we spent more money on as we should obviously to make sure that we are being the best neighbor in managing the event as best we can knowing the nature of some of the events that occur there they're not all craft shows. That being said not a raucous drunk out of control event either and I think we demonstrated that we have managed the crowd effectively. Happy to answer any questions you folks may have. Any questions? This is just a general not specific to this event. If people do people have an avenue that they know of to call and complain and then what happens? They do I mean they'll call our office they'll email us they'll message they will they'll leave a voicemail they'll email the events going on for instance we had the conference this summer we were there answering the phones and so yeah we respond to them when folks do call in and they do call in I think for the fair most folks know what's going on it's the events outside of the fair that they don't know what's going on that they'll call and say hey what's going on and if someone calls and leaves a message do they get a phone call back as a courtesy? Oh yeah they always do and now with email especially my email is on the website there so I'll get a friendly email once in a while as part of that went on but I like to think that we respond when we had the two concerts this summer July 1st was that reggae one and it has a different sound and we found that out on July 1st and when the staff was out doing all the very important work of running the event I was in the office and answering the phone and I probably feel that 20 or 30 phone calls and some people were less than pleased I think they were pleased though that someone was there to say and we were having the sound was being monitored and we were within the parameters and you can always debate the parameters but we were within the parameters well that's not going to happen because we've contracted with someone who's brought a performer and they're paying an exceptional amount of money to we just can't go public and we're liable and we make the sound ordinance clear to any artist any band coming in or the concerts this summer it's higher ground as a promoter they know clearly and they convey to the artist here's the parameters you need to work with and so as long as they're working within those parameters for that evening we'll tell them now I will say on the reggae show on July 1st we did go say hey can you turn it down a bit and they did did it solve everyone's issues no but it did bring it down so we do try to respond knowing that we're neighbors but also knowing that we have a client that we've is living up to the guidelines established a long answer to your short question that was great thank you didn't we at one point if we could get a visit from the sound engineer yes yes revisit the whole measurement process I'm sure he's in the area here I'm sure he'd be welcome to come in could be helpful just to understand what the process is yeah any other questions comments the other thing I was noticing is I don't recall seeing the sound report from the wolf's department I couldn't find it in any of the other meetings we shared with us especially I think this was one of those that was within our purview to wave so if we've waived the ordinance it'd be nice to have that report Tim I appreciate you coming in what all we can do is adjudicate this thing and ask that you respond and you respond and you respond well and if everything is within the parameters we can't ask more of you and certainly in my view going the extra mile and coming here tonight talking to us and telling us that I think for a lot of people anyway the idea that something is annoying them and they can call it it probably helps most people just being able to vent a little bit and I understand that's extra work for you but I appreciate you doing it so thank you I'm curious if you got any phone calls this weekend this past weekend Saturday or the Saturday before with the color run no just this past Saturday with the wagon forward on Sunday we did not but it was during day it was normal and I think it was the wind blowing to your point some things I think bother people simply because of the noise that it creates or something like this wagon forward it was a little bit different than a reggae party but I was just curious if you guys we didn't also wind plays a big and also the density of the air and a heavy sticky day which it was on Sunday which it was on the reggae show as well by no means am I a sound expert but when he comes in to say that keeps the sound down low and penetrates more as opposed to a high pressure system coming through the air the sound yeah but no we hadn't heard any on the dog one there any other questions comments good Chris I'll let you can you yes thank you go ahead just a few things one there's the noise warning and then there's the waiver that was granted now the waiver that was granted allowed them to have a concert at three o'clock so that's ridiculous that you basically gave them a waiver that said it's exactly what you get for all the concerts and those are the weapons now if they were being tracked against the noise ordinance there is no five minute average in the noise ordinance it's a instantaneous reading and so by those levels you violated the noise ordinance 29 times between midnight and 7 a.m. and and it makes perfect sense why because somebody shoots off a bunch of fireworks at one o'clock in the morning that's going to wake you up and it doesn't matter that it didn't go on for five minutes the line of communication as I always understood it was called the police and the police will contact the fairgrounds and it sounds to me like you didn't hear anything from them and I called twice and so who knows who else called but clearly there's a broken line of communication here somewhere you said that they, yeah occasionally they'll rev the engines that's one of the rules in Wolfskarts page is no revving of engines after you know in the in the camping area and you will be escorted out if you do was anybody escorted out from that event? I didn't think so there were fireworks during that you will be escorted out if you do fireworks they weren't was it a drunken party? I don't know 220 to 25 year old males with seven beer pong tables I'm guessing that there was quite a bit of alcohol consumed particularly by the and that's one of the reasons why we don't want to escort them out of there yeah so you're setting up a terrible situation you're putting them in a place, you're giving them a lot they're bringing in their own drink they're going to get drunk and they're going to have a lot of noise I don't need you to direct your comments to us because what we don't want to do is have a dog it's too awesome and I agree with Tim they did a lot to try to do something that was much more lighted down there but it's just a formula that doesn't work you know the following night was fine everybody was too tired to party so if you could do that that would work the other thing you could do is put it at the other end of the fairgrounds and then you wouldn't bother me I don't know who you would bother but you wouldn't have me on your case thank you very much okay so we'll just stay tuned and see what happens next year but I think we've had some good dialogue about this and I think everyone's a little sensitive about it and we'll look for the and set up a meeting at some point in time got to go well a good time to do that might be isn't there a time in late winter, early spring when we sound we do the waivers we don't do it at the trustee level I think it's done at the village level so maybe that would be the occasion to have the sound engineer come in keep that in mind so next we have Lieutenant Kimbele the Essex police and regarding an incident at Maple Street Park and the multi-use path welcome Lieutenant appreciate your coming, thank you for coming and so we had a we had a report but we didn't really get too many details with the report and I understand that you can probably can't give us it's still under investigation but whatever you can tell us would be appreciated okay, first of all, my name is Ken Bollier I'm a Lieutenant of the Essex Police Department I've been there for about 20, 29 years so regarding the incident at Maple Street Park that incident is still currently under investigation the information that came out on the rec department on the website is fairly accurate and is actually a pretty good message I can tell you that thus far we've discovered that the initial complaint is it was made up there wasn't a weapon involved and there was really no risk to public safety on that one okay so we're still trying to wrap up a few things some trespass issues have been trespass notices have been issued help to people involved in that but we're still trying to tie a few loose ends on that okay this was two teenagers underage at around what time like 5, 10 later in the evening not quite like after park load that later in the evening it was somewhere around when the football was going off it was somewhere between 5 and 8 did it have something to do with the football practice or was it just unrelated okay and whatever we can know about this and you can tell us that we might be able to do something if there's anything we can do or the recreation director can do after your investigation that would be helpful like I said I can't predict whether or not there will be additional charges filed or any charges filed unless if we do that that will all become public record alright other than that I would imagine that the department will interact with the rec department and let them know because they don't want you to just do that sure and I notice here that we also have about the multi-use path well I think that came up during our trustee to the joint meeting we've had some neighbors complain I walk it daily just because I walk the community and I was just curious if there have been the police have had complaints if you've controlled it all, if you've seen anything we haven't had a lot of complaints there but I want to caveat that by saying that because of the way the system works and how you search for an address it may be hard to compile all those complaints in one area because there's really no specific address for that so a lot of them may be you know filed by the complaints address for the most part I can tell you that you know we find some stolen bikes there or some abandoned bikes there we've lost a couple of bikes out of there but there hasn't been to my knowledge any crimes of violence there hasn't been any big you know there's been a drug arrest there that I can think of I think we have picked up some needles in and around that area but that's been a problem in that general area for quite some time and we're doing our best the patrol officers are well aware that that's an area that they want to keep an eye on and we do make very good patrols through there we're probably not out on foot walking that although on some of these nice warm nights it is nice to take a walk it's a nice path but you know we are on Central Street a lot we've had some issues on Central Street we're very nice to that but are you going to eventually find somebody sitting on that you know sitting the week back there having a beer pretty likely at some point that might happen which we were before our response to that is going to be we're going to check on that individual you know make sure there's no criminal wants for him or anything like that try to move them along or if they're drunk we'll get them to where they need to go whether it's home or if you have detox or whatever but there hasn't been any big issues on that pathway especially since the lighting prior to that the railroad traffic has some trespass issues but that pathway is helpful just curious from your experience with other areas if you think there's anything we could do to prevent things from happening there you know you say the lighting is pretty good you think we need more is there something for the retaining walls so people don't sit and hang out just curious to get thoughts until there's unless there are some sort of warrants against the border area like that you know if we keep up you know with the wrong presence over there if the complaints start increasing in that area you know they don't want to be approached by the police every time so they don't think it's great then again we have to be judicious about not just talking to somebody or pushing somebody along to step down and take a break so you know it's kind of a fine balance but I think for the most part we just keep doing what we're doing until we get there and then we can change what we're doing okay thank you any other questions good thank you very much for telling me thank you and so it takes us to old business and we have acceptance of the public infrastructure at Village Haven Robin and Jim thanks for coming gentlemen so we're going to acquire some more some more road yardage yes Robin can give you a little more of the background of the type of development that was there, it was a village neighborhood yeah it was the first Vermont neighborhood and I just arrived in the trustee's quiet king to have the first Vermont neighborhood so it had particular criteria in terms of price of the units would be sold after all the prices that we got there it was like 80% we didn't any country, any country so that was approved it was a PRD not called a PUD and as part of the approval the village was to take over the road, the infrastructure from West Street basically up to the pump station right and there was some design changes after the initial approval that led to looping into some neighborhoods for water systems which is why it was in municipality's interest to consider taking that okay and the big issue I guess is the it's a court so a truck needs to go down and then be able to turn around in the middle of it and then come back out again it's not the through way there so there's enough room for that to happen and we have easements to get to the pumping station as well and then easements through the development should there be a problem so everything seems to be in order there is one carrying out with that there is a valve that's not accessible during construction it was accessible during degradation and public work said it would be easy to take over they'd be able to go in and do the work after the trustees approve it or it's up to you whether you make that a conditional approval okay what would you recommend with that should we make it a conditional approval I think that waited long enough that we can just take it over it should be a relatively simple fix according to the discussion any other questions I mean I've been on the road what is the mileage that we're taking over a mile about a quarter quarter of a mile that's really small I think I've seen there's plenty of questions when this application came through and I remember there were a couple of redesigns of it the part is involved there was some questions about things but I thought there was an easement easement on the back part or your chair key for a fire truck is that what we call but that's not something that could be utilized for just general no it's locked and that's where the water connects to the neighborhoods as well provides a secondary service some of the other changes were the forest main ran through the development as opposed to the west street so again just some semantics in general the concept remained the same and part of the reason for not taking over the stormwater system was some of the complexity with the utilities that were running the roads just out of curiosity who's been paying for the snow residents pool their resources and employ it I don't know all of the details but having been on the developer side typically it's part of the David Overs part of the operation any other questions do we hear a motion do we make a motion that we authorize the municipal manager to complete transfer village Haven, Rostco court main roadway, water distribution sanitary sewer and sewage pumping station over to the village of S extension for acceptance as municipal infrastructure I'll second any further discussion questions all in favor aye negative thank you so we are now onto the lease with the Essex Westford school district for the ACE program in the Park Street school yes well the issue is whether or not you folks will approve the lease with the Essex Westford school district to continue to use the former Park Street school for the ACE program as you recall and have lived through that when the school district was merging they offered us the opportunity to take ownership of that building and we agreed it looked like a very good deal and as a consequence there was also a request that came along with the offer about keeping the ACE program in place for a period of time until the school district could find a more suitable place for them to relocate to and to that end a long awaited lease has been drafted and looked at by both the village attorney and the school district attorney and it contains a few pertinent points such as the time period of July 1st, 2017 the June 30th of 2020 we will accept a dollar per year for our compensation the lease C shall keep the premises clean and in such repairs they are expected to do as a function of this lease the lease C will not sublet the premises sign the lease without prior written consent of us they will indemnify and hold us harmless from any loss of cost damage or expense resulting from injury to any person or damage or destruction of any property caused by any act omission or neglect of the lease blah blah blah the leasee shall be responsible for closing windows off lights etc but we are responsible for the maintenance and I believe those are the essential aspects of the lease and so therefore other than the maintenance costs we have anticipated will be two owners it's recommended that the trustees approve the lease with the school district for the ACE program to continue on Park Street through 630 20 Ken I just since Brad is here Brad have you anything to add to this you good with all this yeah the timeline aligns with what we talked about and Lauren and I met a while back and talked about breaking up some of those expenses the rec department's taken on some the village building maintenance fund that might not quite be right but is taking on some of the maintenance expenses and hopefully they'll all transfer over to rec if rec were to occupy the whole building and the general fund is picking up a few non-budgeted items like electricity gas and trash pickup so you'll see those on the report you know long term are we thinking about if they are serious about moving out in 2020 are what else might be going in there any thoughts about that it's kind of different kind of a space upstairs probably no point to think about really a family center a parent child center continuing the two classroom preschool classrooms but expanding some options for you know currently we have a playgroup that happens two times a week at rec so building on some of those opportunities as well as expanding into maybe some more guaranteed classes or consultations that kind of stuff any questions comments guys do we hear a motion I'll move the trustees approve the lease with sx westford educational community unified union school district number 51 for their ace program to continue at 21 park street through june 30 2020 second any other questions all in favor yes thank you thank you so we're into new business and Mr. Dennis Lutz and to discuss the winter operations plan for the coming winter sure it won't happen this year may not happen it seems to always it always does here or fortunately depending upon your view of winter you got a copy of the public version and then you can hand it off the internal version which has all the information on radio call signs and phone numbers and things like that we did put it on both town of village website we went to the select last week they approved it as you can see from it there's not many changes I haven't given the copy I've given to you is the same as the public one meeting marked up in red with the changes so you can see what they are there aren't many there were at least one item that I know Rick wanted to have in the village that we had talked about towards the end of the year and that was the fact that when you start to get into late spring the way that was written last year was that they would continue to do sidewalk following and his concern was that there are some times in the late spring when it turns to mush all you're really doing is turning up a whole bunch of lawns and you're really not doing anything that's very proactive at that point so we added an item on page V5 sidewalk clearly will be reduced and generally starts in late spring when conditions indicate the sidewalks are usable and the sidewalk clouds will do damage to private property and lawns it's kind of a general statement but it's an out somewhere to say well why aren't you doing that there's a reason for it and I think like my guys the village guys don't know when the appropriate time is to put that in place I know last year there was a question of trying to make both the numbers in terms of over time materials look more like the towns in terms of quantities and usage and things so we did that the roots really haven't changed as far as the mapping goes obviously if a road gets accepted by tonight that would change in terms of adding it probably onto the list other than that there aren't many changes in the village there were a few in the town but again they were not substantive more information that way we haven't really added anything in the town of the consequence other than the fact that the Carmichael street area Essex center is really for all intents and purposes of downtown area we don't have the sidewalk plows we don't have the equipment to do that at any time type of schedule the remote business to open on time so we're contracting that out it's fairly expensive but we're doing that so the sidewalk plowing up there in a lot of cases from the front door the business to the street that's angle parking it's the kind of thing that we don't have the people with the equipment to do it we've contracted that out it's more expensive this year because we're expanding it a little bit as that grows out that's going to be a larger problem for us at some point we're going to probably have to look at do we have another employee, do we have more sidewalk plowing equipment or do we continue to contract it right now even though it's expensive it's cheaper to contract it than to add the other employee in the sidewalk plow at some time down the road that may not be true it depends how fast the town center built out that's about it and then I'm open for any questions that you have about the plan and the request is that you approve it when you do that Chris has already re-typed we've taken out all the red typing and converted it over and we'll pull the draft version that's been on the web pages since mid-September and put the final versions on both the town and village web page so if people want it we can refer them to it we probably will not get you a black or clean copy with ultra-red markings it's too expensive we did it once we don't need that I only suggest that one of the things does this get advertised in front porch forum that this is available online that people know how do we tell people about this maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea we heard something about this any questions looks good looks really good the folks a lot of work went into this it's great it's fantastic so do I hear a motion I'll move the trustees approve the winter operations plan for 2017-2018 second any further discussion 2018-2019 never mind I think it's 2017-2018 okay then we have a typo on the agenda I'm sorry I think we got the motion one so any further discussion all in favor opposed unanimous thank you very much Dennis thank you Dennis our on to information on grants for stormwater improvement projects and Dennis when I talked with Pat about this one of the intents was to put this basically on the consent agenda but we thought it would be worthwhile to bring it forward for a couple of reasons because of the meeting the timing of the meetings we tried to get a whole bunch of stuff on the agendas in between obviously we got ahead of ourselves I think you already saw one man went back in August basically Mayor Copa saying although we don't have your approval we're going to request grants now all of a sudden we turn around and we got both grants congratulations so that's great and Jim Chelsea Annie and myself met and we decided there's so many grants right now floating around for stormwater and availability of funds obviously the legislature is trying to do as much as they can and the agencies are to try to kick out as much money as they can early to basically show EPA that Vermont is on track in terms of trying to clean up the lake I would not use the word free money because it's not free at all but it's a little bit easier to get now than it's going to be in about four or five years and everybody realizes that the trains left the station and we're not quite at that point yet so what we did is the one grant we haven't gotten our MS4 permit yet that's scheduled to come out in late December, early January they're late on that I don't know if they're going to make that timeframe but they've told us that's what they're shooting for we'll then have a period to reply to that to do a notification of intent of how we're going to meet the puts in that permit but essentially it takes everything that we've done so far and says keep doing that we did a flow restoration plan for the two impaired waterways it's going to say keep doing that and it's going to say oh by the way do phosphorus and so that's the next big jump we kind of have a feel from meeting with the state what this is going to be but we haven't got the permit yet to tell us exactly what's required but one of the grants we put in for was a grant both of these are through the transportation agency which for us is a better source because those are 80-20 grants a lot of the agency natural resources are 50-50 I'd rather get an 80-20 should we can do that so the first one was to basically do a phosphorus control plan like we did the flow restoration plan do a phosphorus control plan taking some of the stuff out of the flow restoration plan which projects weren't going to build under that plan but might have the capability to move phosphorus part of it's going to be the back roads which the notice doesn't have part of it is going to be some of the better roads portion though the outfalls from catch basins which you do have so that's a Dan keep going take a short break should I call 911 I don't know was he just drinking he just had some water went down the wrong road did he fall down I think it was something you said to us I have to walk to him say I have to walk to him say Dan see we've done that and it never happens at a good time no, terrible can't say I've ever done that on TV though no that would be famous you tried to picture it back there all these different types how did that happen how did I do that it was a pinball it seems like a poorly designed system it seems like a poorly designed system well a long time we were at a meeting and I didn't realize that was the root of the nuts between baked cookies before Christmas he took one bite of the nut and all of a sudden it was gone oh my god it doesn't help to poison your boss but you're still here I think I'm good no more cookies for you it was just water I remember inviting one of you to rotary when the same thing happened it did you stopped now no more no more drinking water I don't know what the intervention means are we good so let's do 3, 2, 1 and we're back on track sorry so two grants we decided that the village applied for one of them which is the phosphorus control study so we can look at a control plan and figure out what are we going to do and that's before we have the requirement to tell us what we have to do but they'll meld in together so it's interesting that the town and the village staff get together cooperate the village writes the grant but the funds are taken from the town's capital stormwater account I pay the bills but between us and the stormwater courting committee we're going to figure out what we're going to do so it's an interesting mixture of marriage of talents and people but it's working so that one will get underway the other one is for the other one really surprised me because we just took a wild shot we knew we had one last full restoration project to do which was the LDS church site and that was expensive we knew that was like a 1.5 give or take $7 million project quite honestly I had no idea how we were going to fund it we got a grant so we got $478,000 federal funds $598,000 state funds and $269,000 and local funds the issue for us is that we have not identified where those local funds are going to come from the way these projects work there's a lot of scoping to be done in the beginning there's at least a year of design work we're going to have to acquire easements from the LDS church they've agreed to that that took us so long to get to this point so that's all in line we're probably four years away from construction so it's not an immediate problem so if we kept funding our capital stormwater program at the current rate we would have enough money to do this and we can also have enough money for the $10,000 on the one that Bill has put in but we don't have a whole lot of extra money and so one of the things I mentioned to the select board is that and we're going to talk about this because we have a joint stormwater coordinating committee coming up in about a week we're going to meet tomorrow with Jim and myself and Annie and Chelsea and try to look at other projects because we just got another announcement there's another series of better roads grant coming out we can use that in the town some of our gravel roads to stone line ditches that's an easy one we know some of the segments that have been identified so that's an easy one to go after it's low cost, it's a low value grant less than $50,000 total dollars those kind of things but then do we want to start to look at some of those phosphorus projects that we've talked about in the past we could take some of our stormwater ponds that don't treat phosphorus and convert them that's expensive we've thought about taking a couple of there's a couple of cul-de-sacs one in the village and one in the town that are very large and paved take them out and create gravel here in the middle with trees that's pretty, that's aesthetic that has an under drain system that basically treats stormwater that might be valuable one in the village, one in the town, put it together in a grant we might have some ability to do that that might be on the order of a couple hundred thousand dollars so if we're going to do this I think what we need to do is even before we have a plan in place we know what kind of things are going to qualify for that the approach to the select board was it might be wise, and I'm not suggesting this yet I'm just throwing the idea out that rather than we could increase our capital funds towards stormwater each year start to really ramp that up to a much higher number we could go to a bond vote in the spring for a set amount of money which would allow us the funds to keep applying for these grants the intent would not be to use that kind of bonding capability to just go out and build projects because you'll run out of money pretty quick but if we can get on board and get, pick off some of these grants early while the money is available and before other communities have put together their plan and as long as the money keeps coming why not do that is my argument why not go out on the limb a little bit because anything that we build along these lines is going to be countable towards that end game of cleaning up the lake but it means we're probably going to have to be a little bit ahead of the the group that's out there maybe taking some risks calculated risks but I think that the residents in the town of the village would probably my guess would be would probably support that kind of activity if they knew the grants were in hand and instead of paying 1.5 million for stormwater pond they're now paying $267,000 something I'm going to have to do anyway for the LDS churches so Dennis let me get you what you're proposing let me say we did something like this back when I first came on to the board Lauren you're going to crack me in the details but when the federal government had a lot sending a lot of recovery money down the pipe and we took out, we got approval in the village for bonding to take out money to put specifically to match grants that might come available and we had I think up to $3 million or something like that it was something big amount it wasn't more than that I think it was for sidewalks mostly for sidewalks I think it was sidewalks and infrastructure I thought it was infrastructure but we have wording in one of our in-reports do we still have that? we still have that that's just the village maybe that wouldn't apply that's the kind of thing we're thinking and I think we have to do is have a pretty good handle maybe not this month but by the time we get into the end of the year and we start talking about budgets and what might be on the March ballot and a lot of other things we should have a better feel for how far do we have to go to remove phosphorus in both communities and what types of projects are likely to get funded early and what are those projects cost so there's a lot of work that's got to be done by staff and maybe some outside help as well to look at those and figure out where are we heading on this but if we can get some of those answers early that might be a discussion later in the year so the good news is we've got these grants the other piece of this is that with these four grants in the town we will meet the full restoration plan requirement so that's a check mark done they're not built yet but they're moving in that direction and so the next thing is attacking the phosphorus issue we'll head to the curb I think on all of this stuff so it's great, I appreciate that appreciate your effort Dennis it's a joint effort it's everybody's I know Jim and Chelsea and Annie everybody's pitching in and working hard to get these done that's more information than anything else, any questions good? Yeah, just one then the the total amount or the approximate amount of the 20% match $270,000 was there any thought of having a penny a tax rate because it generates about 250 plus or minus have a designated penny there for local matches in general? there's a lot of I'd like to plant the seed at this point for smart people to look at and say how do we go after knowing that we've got this coming knowing it's going to be an expense to the community but knowing that we have the opportunity to pick off grants how do we structure that in a way that we've got the funds we need when we need them so we can jump on board and do some of these things we're in much better shape than our neighbors in terms of being able to meet the standards and we're farther ahead than a lot of communities that haven't even started yet but we're still going to have a local bill to pay for this that probably is beyond what we're collecting today I guess is the message I'm just thinking in terms of not paying any kind of I doubt it would be another way or some half a penny or whatever it might be there may be a way to structure that I have the funds available for specifically for stormwater that might be able to relieve other areas as well sure that's up discussion thank you very much Jim next item of business is to discuss and set FYE-19 budget goals and I guess I'm supposed to have some great insight into all this I don't other than to say you know even keel so to speak but I'll throw it open to any other thoughts that folks have and maybe more and do you have any specific questions for us in terms of guidance and what we should be thinking of at this point it's a little early I mean the only thing I wonder about if our management or manager recruitment effort is successful how might funding for the manager's position be changed but I don't think we're talking about a major budget adjustment there I would say not not major it'd be close to what it is right now or less a little bit less it depends upon of course what the final offer would be I think it would be safe for a year at the current level I can't see any other big changes coming down the pike at this point anyone else? no so I mean the usual guy who says always we want to try to at most keep it within the rate of inflation I know how hard that is it's easy for me to say and hard to do because the rate of inflation has been pretty low lately so it's a little bit about aviation I was a cost school up higher artillery costs I mean generally speaking the village is in the right direction as we all know I think in terms of the consolidation things have been positive for us I mean I know that those costs have been shifting and been divided those town residents within the village and town residents within the town outside the village etc not a lot of residents generally speaking I think that's the what we've been doing we just want to change the trend just one thing to give you a little bit of a heads up I'm working with the chiefs actually I'm letting the chiefs work with each other to try to get alignment at some of the major areas of the fire departments and one of those areas is going to be on the salary structure organizational structure and to bring them into alignment normally would in the fire salary line item or expense line item depending upon how it shakes out and it's just going to be a difference of what gets paid for what do we pay people for training do we not pay people for training are we supposed to we haven't been or so there might be a few little adjustments there but nothing monumental nothing that's going to cause any major headaches but it would be a different discussion this year than perhaps in the years past but other than that it should be pretty much what you're accustomed to seeing I'm going to put in my annual recommendation and request for a communications director for the village in the town I think this is the third possibly the fourth year I've asked for us to have this in the budget I really want us to talk about it and actually maybe come up with something well Elaine would that be we're having joint meetings with the select board is that an appropriate topic to discuss with them most likely but if we're to it sounds like something we might end up sharing so we would have to find room in our budget for it they would have to find room in there so we should be talking about it ourselves but I just think we have a really deep need for it do you see we're not closed on the option that there may be somebody currently working within the complying staff if we could explore that yeah I'd be happy to explore it but I think we're what I have in mind and I think in past conversations we've had in mind somebody with specific qualifications and not part time and you know so we have talked about it a little bit I know I hear you it's not just curious I know you brought it up for him thinking back to my past career you're talking basically a public information officer the face of the community basically so that whoever from whatever department whatever the issue may be addressing media putting out what the boards do on something they contact us we interact with them and they're our face to the media source and they're either typing it up and doing it digitally that way they may be interviewed by the press or TV stations the radio whatever I see that I see three roles for this person the person who handles the public face of the community the person who handles the internal communications or who at least works with all of the staff to communicate clearly amongst each other and then the person who also helps us and the staff communicate with our residents I think that's very valuable there's also some recommendations in the document that Matt always forgets last name Landiger did which would be beneficial and it was also a recommendation of the Essex governance group the Essex who group the governance group I just keep ringing up I don't know what we're supposed to do I'm going to keep ringing that bell someday we'll find the money for it so any other thoughts about this particular agenda item one nice thing being consistent with Elaine's topic I just think one of the things it'd be much more consistent we have that one person taking it on as opposed to getting a different message depending on who you ask and this will streamline the process and make it much more consistent and I think that's very valuable not to mention the example of the thing that happened at Maple Street Park if that person were then charged with dealing with what happened on Facebook maybe a response would have come a little bit faster but it's dedicated to that instead of it relying on other people who already have full-time jobs exactly I just proposed a question is there enough communication work just in the village to employ a full-time person 40 hours a week that's my concern is that there might be if you have the town and the village but for just the village for us just to take this create a full-time position I think it would be I think it would be counterproductive to have just a village person and also another responsibility of this position could be the websites of the village on the town which desperately need work anything else? we good ready to move on okay so we are on to the managers report thank you now that I can talk again it's the always popular meeting schedule I believe there's a typo here November 6 should be November 8 we agreed on that it just didn't get in I'm sorry please forgive me I've had jury duty last week and I got it for next week and I'm kind of mentally AWOL at the moment the other meetings I think are pretty accurate of what we have discussed in the past the topic that George mentioned the congregational church as their seswa centennial birthday this year 150th and I was approached by Tom James who was very active in that church as part of the birthday celebration and asked whether or not we could as a local government entity participate in some way in helping to celebrate that and he mentioned the word proclamation that was proclamation is something that the governor the governor's office is going to be doing so I would shy away from something along those lines but the event that's going to be the parties will be held in October the 20th and we will not have another trustee meeting between now and then so I was wondering if one you would feel okay with offering some something to help them celebrate and to say that this is a group that has been active in the community and they've been here longer than we've been here actually and it brings for the residents of this part of the community and staying away from anything that's religious but staying secular in our appreciation for them as a community family member and willing to help out in community events such as the parade and the pantry etc and would you be comfortable if George and I put something together since George is a much better writer you guys can help too put something together that wouldn't really be approved by you until after the fact unfortunately we just did one for the little league it was perfectly fine you okay with that I think there was some concern about the separation of church and state the proclamation for the governor I saw was completely non-denominational it didn't loo to any religious spiritual issues whatsoever it just described that the church is wonderful and amazing work it's done to help marginalize people for the last 150 years not just locally but globally and it just honored that and that was really all it was saying that's really what we would be saying we wouldn't really get into that if George is comfortable with doing this then we can probably do it too it should be fine with our community really better and what we could do is we could sketch out some resolution and Elaine isn't bad with the pen either so I can shoot her the resolution and see what she thinks and we can scoot it around and make sure we're all happy with it is that good absolutely my silence is that I want to just double check that what we'd be doing would not be in conflict with having a meeting with this guy's religious business outside of if you guys want to write it and just send us a draft this is what it is we won't be meeting we can draft it and then we can send it and then each person can just add or subtract and then we circulate it back and we won't be actually meeting or discussing anything and then lastly of course is the budget and capital adoption schedule and at the last meeting I do believe we were talking about the week of December 18th as being your choice of the week for budget day with the trustees it's I think the same week I'm not mistaken Lauren that we met last year for much the same reason I'd like to be ready with some fairly solid numbers well you're meeting on the 12th already so we decided because that's what we normally meet but you have a new normal so and first week it's too early it's too early it's when you're ready it's really more when they're ready it's too early yeah so if you were we'd be looking for some guidance either tonight or sometime to have that day solidified anyone any immediate conflicts guys I know I can't do Mondays this is an all day thing well yeah pretty close to that well we've done afternoons but now we have the rec department added in Tuesday the 19th or Wednesday the 20th good other day whatever sorry I had my phone off so 20th or 20th you're fine 20th changes so for Tuesdays 20th break up the week for everybody I think we'll pencil that in and if something comes up we might be able to change that is that good thank you very much and that's it for the Managers Report alrighty thank you thank you very much pal and thanks for doing jury duty we appreciate that too you're more than welcome we are now on to trustee comments and concerns and reading five board member comments that's a question go ahead I read on front porch forum today the select board approved a revised code of ethics and I was just curious what the change was if you remember couldn't tell you at this very moment what the changes were I think there were some minor changes to it we're reviewing many policies and that was one of them conflict of interest was another one right now I can't tell you what it is just curious we get Greg to the author of the changes to send us if you wouldn't mind, I'm just curious to know what the difference is sure any other I had something I wanted to this is actually kind of significant I had a conversation with the regional Amtrak director and two Amtrak engineers we had a phone conference here and Robin Pierce involved I was called over and those two guys were here and we had this phone conference with the folks down in Washington they had come up and looked at the Amtrak station and they had the money and they were given the legal not just the okay but the sort of the command that they are they must upgrade make this station ADA compliant and this is going to happen next year in 2018 they have the resources and the engineer they hired an engineering firm that came up and looked at it and he came up with this very elaborate plan which involves building if you recall when we did this before there's a raised platform that goes the entire length of the tracks from the station up to Main Street that's going to be built I won't go into the details there's a lot of detail but anyway they sent us this plan and apparently when they did this they didn't check somehow the regional director didn't realize they had come up here done all this work and didn't contact anyone in the village government who didn't speak to anybody they came they saw they came up with the plan and they went back to Washington so then they sent this up to us we'd like to talk to us about this plan and that's the reason for the call and I said well speaking of plans and I sort of said we've got this whole plan here for upgrading the station that involves a lot of the same we anticipated a lot of the stuff that you guys would be doing but we didn't think you were going to be doing it and a lot of the stuff we're doing is to make it more ADA compliant and we actually studied this a lot we spent a lot of time you came up one day we spent a lot of time but they were very interested in they were very accommodating and so we sent them I sent them the plan that we chose for the alternative four for upgrading the Amtrak station with the circulation changes on Ivy Lane and the parking and all the stuff and they're looking at it and they're going to try to align as best they can the two of them but they are going to look at ours and they were very willing to work with us but the bottom line is that if anybody has one thing that they're not going to do is upgrade the actual station building there's no money for them to do that although it would seem to me that would be an ADA compliance issue as well since there's only one little small bathroom in there there's terrible accessibility for the building so it would make sense that if they're going to do all this work which is substantial that we would want to do all of the work at once so anyone who has any ideas and I'm certainly going to pursue this but anyone wants to work with me or take it on your own to try to get in touch with our federal representation to see and probably the overall cost would be reduced because Amtrak would be picking up a lot of the cost that's going to be I think we estimated about 1.4 million for what we were thinking it would probably be quite a bit down from that but I just wanted to let everyone know that that has happened and that's going to be happening and I don't know how we're going to, I haven't even thought about it I talked to Greg Morgan and what should we do should we get back in touch with Layhi's office maybe we should try Sander's office maybe Peter Welch because all of them but we have been talking about this with some folks at the state too so maybe I'll bring this on to put this actually on to the agenda at some point we can have a bigger conversation I mean it sounds like we should be approaching all three of our delegates as a board saying we have done all this work and now this opportunity is here please help us get to the end zone so if they're planning on doing this in the summer of 2018 when were we planning to do the reconfiguration we have a plan maybe we have the funding so now we have to come up with the funding for that and the train station all at the same time and we're doing the connector Amtrak is paying for all the airplane right but if they're going to be breaking ground over there it makes sense for us to do the changes to the road so we have to find the money for that and then are we also going to look into finding funding for the train station itself the building so we're talking about two huge projects they're not that huge they didn't have a number I'm guessing but I believe it was just over a million dollars and is this going to impact what needs to be done to the train crossings no different train stations completely unrelated this is Amtrak and that is Genesee in Wyoming it's a different issue it's different agencies different funding streams, completely different projects but the reconfigurations of railroad street were, I forget what the dollar amount was that we were talking about for those and then the train station was another no, the train station and the reconfiguration of the parking in the street was up 1.4 million understood the whole thing was that included all of those pieces the railroad street that's part of the CERC or the impressive connector project that's separate the switches, that's different that's a different project and that's funded that's just a question of the engineering in the right way we're not looking for funding the state is funding that but I wanted to let you know that's happening so that you can just think about it because we really, it'd be great to really press to see if we can just find even if we have to get like a couple of different sources and try to piece something together and with everything else going on just talking about budget day, but boy it'd be a terrible missed opportunity if we don't try to at least do something this is all hands on board on this yeah, I think so if Amtrak's really going to come back and do this I think so yeah, which is a portion yeah what did Amtrak give you a timeline of when they were going to look at the plans you provided and come back yeah, we're supposed, they say I think we're going to be back in touch with them I think we said by the end of October 1st of November and interestingly Greg Morgan is taking the lead on this because they said, well who's your economic development guy you know, and so they contacted Greg Morgan and Greg Morgan got in touch with me and said, did you know about it like they came up and did all this stuff and didn't really tell anybody so we'll probably maybe shift it up to a higher level with that, but keep Greg on board Greg has been very aggressive about getting in touch with Lakey's office and getting them up here and being told no and then he says we're going to drive back again and he does it again so you know, he's been very persistent I don't think we can take that on this one we've got to find the money Timing is also interesting that the Senate is currently in recess so now could be a great time our two senators may very well be in the area Bernie's in Castleton right now like right there right now so sooner rather than later could be effin' contagious otherwise it's Thanksgiving week and the fact that this is this might raise it on their radar the fact that Amtrak takes this seriously enough that they're investing in it it might raise it to give us more prominence with them too that's all I have, I'll let you know I'll bring it back to the board I'll bring it back to the board if you are able to get a meeting with any of our senators this week let me know, I'm happy to do what I can I'll come for that okay yeah and let's use all the contacts we have to get in there I would have to think someone from the staff would be willing to see us any ideas for pursuing this let me know well I'd say reach out to Charlie O'Brien Charlie O'Brien and Michelle Blumauer Michelle's in the state now she's in the state now definitely okay and that's that anyone else all good Pat, sorry yeah on this brilliant international airport this noise compatibility program I'll take I brought this up select board and what you're asking for what we're hoping for is to not have me attend any more meetings I haven't attended any but on the contact person for this tech advisory committee because I met with the folks with George and Max and Deke who was doing the work on the noise thing and they needed a contact and I was lowest on the totem pole at that meeting so I was the contact person but this is a person who's going to be on their tech advisory committee so the town and I checked it today I believe that the draft has gone out to seek somebody who would volunteer to represent us at this tech advisory committee and I know one person who's not working who represents the village in the town very nicely when given an opportunity but he can't just hand pick people I would just have to go through some kind of a process but Bob McEwing is pretty much familiar with what's going on with the airport and you know he's he's been around a bit at any rate there's going to be some kind of an interview process as the select board goes through and since S extortion and S6 town could possibly be represented by the same person I was wondering what your thoughts might be you want to piggyback on the ad that's going out do you want to have your own ad do you want your own person do you just looking for some guidance is this the group that this resolution from South Burlington totally different thing this has nothing this is all about the noise compatibility program update and the technical advisory committee that is the growth outgrowth of that and they're looking for a human and if you go to the last paragraph they wanted us to they wanted to meet them whether I was going to be interested or I was going to go to some meeting in September 22nd and obviously I'm not I can't so they if you're willing to just sort of co-tail along with the ad that's already been placed but the ad has been placed just ask me if anybody who wants to volunteer for this committee to let this select let the manager's office know the select board has done that well I checked on it it should be out there now it should be I don't see why not in the past recent past we consolidated several of our board representations into one person for both communities with the water quality and I think Bob would be an excellent individual he's got a lot of experience over there if he wants to do it is this going to be voting and is there some disadvantage to having one instead of two do we lose a vote or something like that I don't know George I can't think of any reason why and it's role you know what I think maybe it would give us a little more strength just like with Al Nye when Al Nye is representing us for the solid waste that you carry a little more weight in the process and since I have been representing both the town and the village I would be carrying forward the same for whoever is appointed I didn't want to just do it one day at a meeting and say hey and then secondly well George this is I'll take this one over so yeah the Council of Thomas Chittenden and this is the second piece on the reading file regarding the airport resolution to do a study South Burlington manager Kevin Dorn and Councillor Thomas Chittenden requested to meet with Max and I informally over coffee they came up with this resolution urging the city of Burlington to consider relinquishing control of the airport and authorizing a study to look at potentially look at having a regional airport authority or some kind of an entity like that running Burlington International Airport right now as you all I guess you all know the city of Burlington runs the air poems the airport and it's in South Burlington but anyway we met with them and Max was headed we were both headed out of town first of all, second of all Wadowski endorsed the resolution Colchester had rejected it and it was posted for consideration at that time and they hadn't acted upon it and to be perfectly frank I looked at it and Max looked at it and we both came to the same conclusion and I would invite all of you to do it as well what stuck out here was that the city of Burlington has been pretty clear and firm all along and in fact Mayor Weinberger of Burlington responded to Wadowski when they were considering this saying they're quite firm they don't want to relinquish control of the airport they're not interested in doing this so that I interpreted that as like this is really not something I want to thrust the trustees into if we said we were going to put the resolution on our agenda it would elevate this conversation and we would it would probably put us in a different situation and potentially add the serial situation with Burlington and or South Burlington and since they didn't seem to be a lot of collaboration at this point it seemed to be sort of forming along battle lines I said I don't think this is something that I want to put on the agenda right now but I also want to bring it to the attention of the trustees so that's why you have it's on the consent agenda and I think you have a copy of the abbreviated form of the resolution and Max had come to the same conclusion for the select board and so that's where we left it and so we then said what do we do about this I don't want to stifle all this information but I didn't want to put it on the agenda either so that's why it's in the consent agenda I mean the reading file so and I don't know if you have any further discussion about this but is there a reason why studying such a thing can't happen without getting Burlington to say yes we're going to a reading question that's why I just didn't understand this whole process you could study anything but I mean if Burlington is saying under we have the legal authority to continue running the airport and we're not going to give it up so you can study anything you want but it's not going to happen and granted it's under the current mayor which can change every that's true the study that comes out and says the airport could be significantly strengthened by ABC and E that'd be great to know there's a report that says it's not broken don't fix it but it'd be good to have information I'd say first of all and I hear you and I agree with you Andrew I mean I hate to be so big but I would say the resolution is not without merit but on the other hand it wasn't just the mayor I got the impression that he was speaking for his government maybe I'm misreading that I didn't watch any of those any of the Burlington meetings where this was discussed but I got the impression that this was pretty much a solid chorus of no not coming from Burlington so and South Burlington on the opposite side and South Burlington on the opposite side and then Winooski saying yes and Nicole Chester and Milliston saying no so wasn't really sure where we wanted to jump into this Pat the city of South Burlington has a representative on that airport board for governance purposes and the city of Burlington didn't have to do that but they did that and that person probably could be outvoted for to one for sure on changing the governance but the talk of regionalizing municipal services for the benefit of the whole we started it we started it with recreation the ball was picked up a little bit with regional dispatch so the airport and the regional economy you know is a natural discussion point but as George has said this is Burlington invited us to participate in a study of their asset that might be a different geek if they were on the fence about it again this isn't for me to decide this was my decision they came to me and asked me to put this on the agenda I couldn't say I'm deciding on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm doing this because I don't have a right to do that so I'm bringing it to your attention but at that point since then I did not feel comfortable putting it on the agenda myself it's probably the right call I don't know first I think we have enough phone view of the law going on as it is trying to find the manager if it pumps up against us we'll know I mean if there's something that really is of import to us it'll come up I would only say if I could to both it seems to me the principal parties here would just say they should try to maybe work this out and then if they want to come to the suburbs and talk about it again then we'd be happy to listen to it just one more thing just don't be surprised if you get some response via our economic development guru who has responded favorably that this would be a good idea and that we should the Burlington City should entertain this study and should go forth with some governance that came from Great Morgan it's difficult when there's mixed messages coming from different boards yes wouldn't it be great I just the reason why I know a little bit about this I was not invited to the meeting no should I have been but the manager of South Burlington has been raising this issue with the managers of all the surrounding communities and pushing it and for noble reasons I mean I'm trying to make a value judgment I'm just saying that at that level that was pushed by the manager and that's why some of the other communities have already weighed in and I was more passive about it and was waiting for direction from my two leaders so whether or not to put it on an agenda for either entity so that's where we are anyone else trustee comments reading file good ok so we are on to the consent agenda will we approve the consent agenda second any further discussion all in favor alright see you again ok and so we do not have an executive session so I will entertain a motion to adjourn any further discussion all in favor great thank you thank you so this was really the central