 Hello. Everyone's saying hello quick. Oh, hi. You took too long. You ruined it. So wait, no, we got something good this time. You know, we're all reeling from the fact that bat will be so long with us, hopefully so be resurrected, though. January, right? That's the earliest possibility. It's probably way later in the universe. Ruby Rose, Ruby Rose's Kate Cain will no longer be in the show. So I doubt they'll kill it, but she's gone. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah. But what if, right? Crazy scenario here. We do an Elsewilds episode. We watched something that's not actually terrible. Oh, what? So a good show. There's a show that's getting another season in, I think, 8th of October. I think they're doing it. I don't remember. Either way, we got to hurry up and get this season watched. But ahead of time to know if it ruins it or if it builds on it or if there's nothing to do with it at all. And our wonderful cast today, I may as well make it clear. I've seen it and I love it a lot. Fringy's seen it and I believe likes it a lot. I don't know, I don't know. I do really love it. All right, there you go. Metal's seen all of it. You thought it was all right, didn't you? You thought it was all right. Yes. Bragg's seen up to episode six. I've seen the first episode and it's pretty stellar. And Theo and Jay have seen Zeher, as they say in front. I've not seen it, but I hate it. So we got a wonderful selection here. I've not seen it and I love it. Oh, my God, it's perfectly balanced. You're supposed to like, you're not supposed to hate things. If this works out, it should work as like a companion piece. Like if someone was like, I'm going to watch the season. And they were like, I want to talk about it with somebody, but I have no friends. And then it's like, hey, you could watch this video after seeing episode one and be like, oh, I can listen to people talking about it. See what I might have missed. And it could be fun. Could be not for all I know this video never even is. And so yeah, that's about it. So is everyone ready? Three, two, one, go. Oh, my God. Matt, let's look at. Oh, that's a bad sign. It's true. No live organism can continue to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality. Silence, they steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House. And whatever walked there, walked alone. Are you awake, Luke? Because Nellie's awake. But that's not what he. Oh, her again. You remember what we talked about before about our dreams? They can spill. But kids' dreams are special. They're like. An ocean. An ocean. That's right. And then is a blue. Yeah. It's the dead devil talking sequence. Oh, that's a pretty good one. It's fucking perfect for tone setting, especially after that. And then I looked up at the ceiling, and there he was, hanging there. I mean, if you actually saw your husband hanging upside down over your bed, you'd see more than I ever have. I've never seen a ghost. Look, you're dead. She just stares at me. That was a cool staz. Yeah. Bring it back, man. It's a style that needs to make a cover. I got it. Or a pony. If there's a pony in there, it's dead. What the frickin key? Don't say that word. You say it. Can he just use that big hammer? I want to see what's in there, too. Let's go see if Daddy has any more keys. Shockingly good job, after all. Daddy, we need more keys. They're fairly good. Suspiciously good acting. Yeah? You working? That's right, Cheryl. Something else you want to add? I'll hint. Jeez. So does this stuff capture the supernatural? Don't believe in that word. I'm talking about the word itself. It's natural phenomena that we understand. And then there's natural phenomena that we don't, once we understood what it was. Well, it was just natural. I prefer preter natural. So does it capture that? I mean, who are you? What do you do? What's that about? I'm just kind of a germaphobe. I have to work tomorrow. What? Was it something I said? No, we just did what we came here to do, yeah? Hi. Now called me today. We still haven't talked since L.A. Theo. No, I'm just waiting for an apology. Luke will show up when he needs money. What if he doesn't? Jeez. Uh, Monday's all right. Where are you? I'm at home. I'll see you there tomorrow. Yeah, I love you, Daddy. Are you? I'm fine. I'm sorry to wake you. Your eyes closed no matter what you hear. You don't open them. I need to talk. You don't just get to call me and tell me what to do. When you're closest and your sister needs you. I'm not even. I'll see you there. I'll meet you there. I'm living at home right now. You used to be a stop sign there until recently, yes? A four-way stop without a sign is bound to have a few near misses. It was only drizzling last night and I even got a few drips. You might want to get that looked at. Water damage is no joke. A ghost can be a lot of things. A memory. A daydream. A secret. Grief. Anger. Guilt. Most times they're just what we want to see. Why would I want to see that? Because it's better than never seeing him again. Most times a ghost is a wish. The fuck, Steve. What's going on? My brother just raped the family is what's going on. Hang on. I sent you guys the manuscript in case you had any objections. I object, Steve. Let's calm down a bit. You be calm, Lee. It's not your name in here. He said it was haunted. Those are his words. What the heck? I need to start a real life for my own family. We're your family, Steve. You publish this. You know what it costs. Something up with Nell. She may show up at the house today. At my house? My dad told her to. I didn't get a chance to tell him it's... I'm sorry. You can just point it at me. The stuff hasn't lived on the ground since 1948. My dad found a bunch of stuff in the parlor. Tarot cards and Ouija boards and all that. And you know what those things do, don't you? Science isn't an exact science, you know. The only light is the light on the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you know the Gospel's young man? I'm familiar with the Talmud, the Tao Te Ching, the Torah, the Koran, Greek mythology. Because there are more things in Heaven than Earth's ratio. And are dreamt of in your philosophy. I don't suppose either of you have seen Luke. I assume you tried the Treehouse? Very funny, Mr. Mom, is it good for you? Trying. Every closet. Never occurs to her you'll be in the Treehouse. Is this the family? Yep. Who's this? Someone got a light cell by the woods. Where do you get the ideas for these drawings? Hey, Luke. Hey, Steve. This isn't what it looks like. I'm sorry. You just stood there and watched him loop me? What's so damn important now? What? Yeah, consider me hooked, I guess. Jesus. Yeah, I figured the best way to start talking was probably Jay and Theo go first. Thoughts? Yeah, that's a fucking strong opening episode. Holy shit. Yeah. I mean, the hook there for me is his worldview is about to go on its head just because of the explanation he just gave to the woman who thought she'd seen a ghost that it was her seeing what she wanted to see. It was her hallucinating. And then that's gone now because he just saw the ghost before he knew she was dead. Yeah, before, certainly before he'd accepted it. He thought it was nonsense. So thumbs up then, I guess. Yeah, for sure. Excellent. Free for all. I adore it. Once I'd seen that, I was like, yeah, so I need to watch this whole season in like a day. Yeah, I'm the same right now. I need to have watched both at all. It's not soured in memory. That episode is as strong as I remember it. It holds up so well. Definitely set up everything. Anything that could be going on very effectively established in that episode. Everyone's relationships. Yeah, they put a hell of a lot of work into constantly reaffirming who's who without trying to be obvious. For example, cutting from the past to the future selves to connect those while also having characters' names pop up on screens and obviously just casual references. It's not like every scene opens with hello character. I am character and I am relating to you in this way. That was a worry I had when I saw that we're going from very early childhood to, well, I guess, them as adults. I've seen these people and heard their names probably like once, maybe twice each. How am I going to... Oh, they're doing a fantastic job of making sure I know exactly who is who. Which is surprising because they make you work to pick up a lot of details. For example, I'm assuming you guys have grasped from the many pieces that Stephen is not with his wife, unfortunately. Yeah. They never say it, but you get the ring shot. You get the past memory where he's clearly with someone. In fact, he's not now and the way they talk to each other. And when his dad said he need to get to your house and he's cut off for it to say I don't live there right now. It's all really nicely and naturally done. Instead of just having him say like, Dad, I can't do that. I have broken up with my wife. I no longer sleep in that house. I don't see why in that circumstance, it would be bad to have then his explicit exposition because it is a natural thing to see in that circumstance. I don't see why that's something that's improved by having to piece it together. I would say it's to do with him as a character by the looks of things. It's not something he wants to really be talking about. He's not... You can gather pretty much immediately that he's not forthcoming about everything. Not super open. He's the most cynical, which is probably pretty clear. Very. I was just going to say, I don't know if you've gathered. I adore the structure, which is episode one is him. Episode two is going to be a different character. This isn't spoilers. The first five episodes are the five children and their POVs. So we're going to rewind and go from someone else. Obviously, the way it works is we get most of the episodes with that particular character. We get a couple of pieces of B-plot from other characters. It's all delivered to give you maximum reveals here and there. Right now, obviously, we started with what seems to be the most skeptical character. He even wrote the book, and yet he doesn't believe in it if you caught when she says, like, oh, your book's fucking great. He rolls his eyes. He's like, it's all bullshit, though. He thinks his parents are nuts and that the kids got drawn into it and that he was... He's kind of disappointed and annoyed. And he wrote to get... I thought it was particularly... The way they try and transition between scenes in the past is to, like, connect them. They did it with sounds. They did it with visuals. Then they'll do it with lots of things. And some of them, you have to figure out exactly why they're connecting. So when he has the flashback of basically being guilted for making the book, he's having it while discussing whether or not he'll make a book or a story for this woman. And in the prior one, he's doing it for money despite the fact that it's going to cost his relationship potentially with his sister. And she's like, you know, incredibly disappointed with him. Meanwhile, now, he's not doing it for the money. He's doing it literally to make this person happy. She wants it. It's like, it's... That's why the scenes are connected. That's why we see it. And yet we get a whole dose of, ah, so he wrote a book and he did it despite the family not appreciating it. It may not cover actually the events. They're just from his perspective. He made loads of money on it. So much is being done all at the same time. It's amazing. And then, of course, there's... I was just going to say, like, all the production stuff. So, like, cinematography, acting, sound design. Looks fantastic. Yeah. Child actors are fucking outstanding. Like, I think I've never seen such great child actors. Like, whoever directed that, she knew what they were doing. You can see it all throughout. It was very clear, like, vision in the whole thing. Very effectively executed. There's so many long shots. So many. It's insane. And obviously, when I refer to long shots, I'm not referring to what they call one-ers. I'm just talking about a shot that lasts for 10 seconds and then 20 and then 30 and then 10. It's just, like, wow, very rare. And loads of actors get to deliver, like, long performances. Even if it's just... Because, like, we open with him getting a ghost story delivered to him by someone and he debunks it almost instantly in a very casual way. Like, it was obviously very clear that he just thinks it's all bullshit, which is why the ending is just so, like, ooh, this is gonna be interesting. Yeah. Now what? Oh, so, like, this is all right. Those last couple of minutes were like, oh, oh, fuck. So what do you two think of the spook factor? Too spooky, you don't like it. I'm not big into horror. Generally, it affects me more because I'm not used to the... You know, if I watch this shit every day, I'd be... Yeah, it's very effective for me. I'm finding it very spooky. I appreciate how it uses, I guess, do they counters jumpscares? If they come with, like, as, like, a snap of the tension it's been building over a long period of time? So I was actually gonna bring that up. I think there was four in the episode. I like two of them. I'm iffy on one and I don't like one. And I was curious if anyone categorizes them in any different way before I sort of do it. I don't imagine that the very first one, like, just right before the title sequence, is one of the ones that you'd considered being good. Yeah, so the reason I think that one's so good is that this, the person who's made this is aware that we've seen a lot of horror, or at least it's likely. And so the door being opened, when it shouldn't be, it's weird, he closes it and goes offscreen and the camera hangs there. And if you've seen parallel activity or whatever else, you'll be just searching, especially for apparently showing this stuff. But it's nothing. There's nothing there to see. Absolutely nothing at all. And he's gonna get into bed. Which, if that had happened, the moment he'd left screen, it wouldn't be a jump scare. But because we're all silent and staring, the act of getting into bed is like a, huh, fuck, okay. That's fine, we're fine. It's a movement in the back. It's like something covering up and it's like, don't just go into bed. It's like, oh shit. There's a jump scare when the dad is in bed with the mum and she screams at him and then it, like it's very sudden. I'm okay with that one because it's in a nightmare. Like that's the context. But this one's very soon after that, where it hard cuts to him getting his bag and it makes like a boom sound. And it's just like, what? That was a bit much. I actually didn't realize that as a jump scare to be honest. If you literally lose the jump scare sound, I think it's fine. I don't know why they would like, look, a light is turning on. It's like, okay. I don't quite get that one. I guess right at the end where Nell is like standing in front of Steve immediately. I guess that's kind of a jump scare, but there's no sound. I'm mostly okay with that one. Cause again, she came up behind him. He turned around. It's the same experience for us. We're just like, I'm fine with it too. Cause you were searching for a jump scare. I guess you can categorize that as one. Oh, the other one was when the car, like the car beeping outside goes off when Steven's looking at the, the leak again, I'm okay with it because that's how he debunks the actual ghost story. Yeah. So yeah. What about when they, when they all wake up at two or three? I didn't actually register that as a jump scare, but I guess it probably was. It was spooky. I'm not sure if like I would cause there was like a sudden sound and a sudden motion is basically the. Yeah. Yeah. What we got was they show, they like hyper focus on a time and then they all react and make a certain motion at the same time. So I don't understand. My internal reaction to that was, oh geez, what the fuck? That's when I was like, I guess, properly hooked cause that's fucking interesting. Yeah. I don't get what it's implying. Oh well, of course. It's pretty much anything you have questions for, we're going to be going forward with, with different kinds of results. Not going to promise everything is perfect or anything, but you'll be rewarded for having picked anything up. That's the, mostly the position I'm in right now is like, I don't have a huge amount to comment other than like, because anything I comment on, it's just that's probably something coming up because this is very much a setup. Yeah. There isn't really enough plot in this to be like, you know, the whole, like from what I've seen so far, this could have like the messiest plot ever. And I just wouldn't know yet. Yeah. I mean, plot wise, all we know is one of the kids are acting up and what we can understand, she's dead already as well. And Steven's plot line is pretty mundane. He's just like, I was visiting someone now, go back home. That's it. That's all really just setting up the pieces. Yeah. So we can, and I think the big thing that all of these character, even the characters that you've only spent like a minute with, they feel like really well formed and well realized, like even before you've gotten to know them. You do a great job, like just with the way character introduced of giving the, like, yeah, they have a lot of text. You get the tab bone. Like it's, it's funny right because obviously I've watched it, like you can, you get certain things about those people, even in those introductions that become just more apparent later on. We're super interested in how everyone talks about each other casually. Yeah. They'll do a lot really quickly, how dismissive or serious they are. And yeah, getting everyone's jobs. We've gotten a couple already and just the interactions of those as well. It feels as though in the first episode, the main concern you want to get is establishing everything. And it's just so well done. Yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. Something I've written down, which I also thought on my first watch through when you see the father for the first time in the flashback and you see shit is going down the house. You see him not acting like a fucking retard, which I found super refreshing back when I first watched as well as like, he's being quiet. He's just like quiet. You can see he actually cares about his family apparently. He's careful. And apparently something is going down and they leave the house immediately. They're not just staying there and look for clues or something. So as you probably guessed, we're getting pieces of both timelines. That's going to be the goal of the season or at least to us, maybe a particular episode. The fact that in the first episode, they show us what looks to be the climax of the end of the timeline of the past and it's stressful as hell. It's just, yeah, that's pretty genius. It's going to get us. And the entire episode has got to be when he was trying to open the door quietly and every noise. Yeah. Then it seems flinch when he opened up the door like click is like, ah, loud. Damn it. Everything was moving like so slowly, but it hung on every shot of that sequence for so long. Like the sounds of all of it sound original. Like they recorded the actual sounds all of it was making like putting the microphone right next to the fucking door handle. I don't know how you can tell that. So something that has annoyed me a lot with lots of different things. It happened. I want to say with something good recently. I think it was the boys. No, it was dark. There's there's a couple of things and red light media point this out as well. There's loads of stock sounds that you're all probably very aware of, but you need them pointed out and whenever I hear them, it drives me nuts because it means that they grabbed it from a bundle of some kind. And I think I talked with Fringy about this previously, but something I loved about frictional games is they make their own sounds. They've got like a feature. They stock sounds. Yeah. So, you know, and this isn't to say that you should never use stock sounds because there are some sounds you just don't know how to make. It's just I like it when everything sounds genuine. And of course, like for all I know, someone could say like every sound in the haunting of Hill House is from a stock thing. I'd be like, huh. Okay. When you recognize a sound as like, I guess a sound you've heard before that can be really damaging to immersion. It reminds you that it's like, oh, I know this. Yeah. From something else in this piece of media that I am watching. Yeah. You think this is the sound effect? Not. This is an effect that creates sound. That was pretty deep breaks. One of the things I thought was interesting. And I just like, I would hope that I would talk about this whether or not I had seen the show, but the dad said to Nell, Steven is closest. You go to him and she ended up with him at the end of the episode. I just thought there's a lot of little things about all the different lines. There's a lot of context to certain events and lines that if you hang on to memories of having watched these previous episodes, you'll be able to be like, oh, fuck. That was actually that. Like, yeah. I really get the sense that rewatching this would be super rewarding. It is. Yeah, it is. So that's episode one. Would everyone like to do episode two? No. Yeah. In fact, I'm already, I'm ready for it. Hang on. Like someone here said they'd seen Hoops, right? No, I saw the trailer for Hoops. It looked terrible. All right. That's close. You've seen the main character though. Yeah. Yeah. You always play Peter B. Parker. Wait. Hold on. That's what you mean spider-man. Spider-verse. Spider-man. Where did you drop off? Oh, you made his voice by the guy who plays him. I see. I didn't mean he's literally voiced by spider-man. Yeah. I was going to say at the same time, there's only one thing you could have meant, but you still could have been less vague. What's vague about saying the name of the character? So Paul Fringy sitting there with no context is told someone is the voice of Peter B. Parker and something else. It's like, I guess you mean the voice of that person as he said, which is like, yeah, you could have helped him out. No. How will he grow strong if I help him? True. Also, the house itself is pretty, pretty, you know? Yeah. Well, the entire show is really pretty. Yeah, that's true. I just, I like, I like old shit. You know, it's cool. I can, yeah, I can agree with that as a historian. I can agree with that. It's a nice looking house. It's something very spooky about just a big empty house. He was like, hmm. There's a reason it's one of the, it's one of the staples. Yeah. Hello. The bigger it is, the less immediate for you all, you know. Are we recording? We have been the whole fucking time. All your racism is on record now. It's quick. They come. I panic. All right. Everyone ready? Yes. I don't want to go. Netflix. We're going to make mediocre comedies. Like Bojack. I often think about things I'm picking up and whether or not it should be shared. Yeah. Like even lines of dialogue, like, isn't it interesting? It's like, wait, maybe, maybe not. Yeah. Cause it's like, wait, interesting. Hold on. I've got to pay more attention to this specific thing. I actually think this show is really, really bad. Wondering if the visual of the shifting walls in the opening is significant to the story. I always like looking for symbolism in openings. Netflix has some good openings. I like the opening to become a thing again. People are trying really hard with their openings. The last night was bad. She looked different. So I'm not going to look at her tomorrow. And I don't want to see her in the open castle. The open casket. Before she's ever even in the casket, I'm going to fix her. That's what I do. So when I'm done, she will look just like she always did. Just like you remember her. Just like she's supposed to. What a great transition. Is that Hill House? No. Which one of the thousands are you referring to? Yes. This is our forever house. I designed them. Daddy built some. It just looks like a lot of lines. Will you please have a tea party with me? Everyone keeps saying no. You can play outside until dinner. But when I flash the porch light twice. Time to come home. Very grown up and sophisticated. Sophisticated. Ask Leo. You good, Luke? Uh-huh. Don't forget the hole. It's so old. Like flashed. Come home. Do you have any other ideas about that red door upstairs? I'm afraid not. Not for that one. Oh. Hi. You're just the cutest little thing. It's okay. Built it around this. Halloween mask. Old one. Well, we can't just leave them here. Dogs. Mr. Dudley, have you ever seen those dogs? Do you think they'd go after kittens? No dogs on the property. Come on, Mom. I told you I wanted to be Daredevil. That's why I got you that. So you can decorate it however you want. I don't want to decorate. Can't you just decorate that to look like Devilman? Devilman. Or whoever means more when you make it yourself. Yeah, I find that offensive. It's almost time. I need a costume like we're in the black. We have to do better, though, right? We're doing more than well enough to give a little relief to families who need it. It's not relief, Cheryl. It's charity. There's some jewelry in here. Some pictures of Mom like you asked. On the phone, you said he had entrance? Right. We thought so. I'm sorry. Did you say 6,000 a month? That's right. Sorry, Cheryl. It's fine. I mean, I could still do some of it. Give me back when you're a famous writer. We love you so much. You got this. Weird. Solo account is named on the checkbook. Ask him. I'm sure it's nothing. I don't want to seem like that. Should I let your imagination get the best of you? That's the first step. Imagine the worst thing possible. Assume it's true. And go from there. What? I don't need your imagination. I don't need your imagination. What? I don't need your imagination. Why are you banging on the wall? I'm not. Hey, what's with the screaming? Pipes. The hot water pipes. They're old. It's old. She's dead. What the fuck do you mean? Who told you this? Dad, call me. Well, he's wrong. She wouldn't call him. Sorry, Cheryl. I told you she was in trouble. I told you to find her. I told you. Wake up. You know how when you take one of your pictures, you capture something forever? Just the way it is. Stories do that too. When we die, we turn into stories. And every time someone tells one of those stories, it's like we're still here. Stories in the end. She's alive. What? She really is. I know this. I need you to head up there, pick up the body, and bring her back here. Why not send her to Carlisle? They'll do a great job there. I think it's a bad idea, too. Honey, honey, let someone else do it. You need to focus on you. She's my sister. Luke's probably high as a kite. I thought he was in rehab. He missed her wedding. We're not going to let him miss her funeral, too. He has time. But I'm not leaving her in a freezer until Luke gets his shit together. You can do this. Oh, her this. This is too much for anyone. No, fix her. Interesting choice of words. You feed the kittens? You care how you get here? You're taking on too much. You have to get two grown men to a goddamn airport. Get it done. Kittens aren't supposed to be without their mommies. Why didn't you let me take care of it or at least say goodbye? I don't believe you. Sure. I wish I'd been part of that conversation. Would you have said you had to go to the woods and put this sick little kitten out of its misery? You let her keep a box of diseased kittens in her bedroom. And now she's traumatized. This was not our finest hour. No doubt. I won't lie to you. Any questions you have are completely normal, okay? Why did she die? I'm so excited. You're gonna look amazing. How lucky for us a famous author at your wedding. You promised. What is it? Nothing. I should be right back. Finish up. Hold on! What? Hey! I'm fine. I'm fine. I just wanted to make sure that I get to tell her that I was happy. Look at me. You're high. Guess who they called when you ran away last week? She's expecting me to be here. Oh no, she's not. Nobody is. There's a hundred. You can shoot up the rest. I don't care. Is everything okay? Everything's perfect. We're gonna have a perfect wedding, Nellie. Almost perfect. You... It wasn't as hooking as the first one. It was very strong. You've got everything in terms of the frame, if you will. And now we're filling pieces in everywhere. You'll have your bigger questions. And of course, we're only inching toward all the answers. While, of course, this episode being, you strongly should understand Shirley now, as you should understand Stephen. Though I think it's pretty interesting that of the five kids, what you should have picked up already about the five of them, we've covered the two least unstable. They've both got, you know, steady careers. They're both pretty reasonable. They both don't really accept the whole ghost thing. Can we end with Luke then? I thought we were gonna end on Nell. Oh yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah, she's a lot less stable. She's dead. That's like the most stable. You're not gonna go that far off the rails when you're dead. I'd guess the next one... In many ways, that's the most stable you can be. I think we've got Theo next, which is always weird to say. I've only ever met one other Theo in my life before, so this is weird. Speaking of you noticed that they're trying to push you with something with Theo. I was gonna say the thing on my mind in a few of the scenes so far is that I felt like I was being visually pushed towards the statues. They're always just in the background, but they're always very clearly and deliberately in the frame. In regards to that sort of thing, there's stuff that... I'm not sure about Rags. I have no idea if we talked about it with him, but I know something that will be cool for you guys to either figure out or know by the end of the season, and it relates to certain things that could possibly slot in that way. Who knows? Good to stay nice and vague on that one. Very diplomatic. I gotta tread carefully, see? I wouldn't want to do exclusively praise, so that one is my least favorite out of the character episodes. I like Shirley a lot, and I think the episode is great. The thing is we're dealing with a really high bar here. Yeah, I was about to say that it's one of those situations of, when you say the least favorite, it's still really good. To be critical, I'll start with something easy that I think most people would probably agree on. The Beetle CGI is fucking garbage. Yes. And it's actually distracting me from being spooked. I'm like, ooh, that looks wrong. That episode annoys me a little bit because of how they do the spooky stuff with the eyes and the jumpiness of it. It annoys me. I think the Spooks are weak in that episode. Yeah, it's like, ugh, and I roll my eyes and that was cheap and dull. The last bringing back the Beetle with Nell was too much. Yeah, too much, if it'll want to say. I'd say that's the thing is in this episode it's like we get it by the end. I think the first time was really good because yeah, that's how a child ends up rather fucked up. Yeah, and I think that if you had a lip move, maybe even twice, that's enough. Just have Shirley see it and Shirley recognizes the fuck's going on and you could even have it be angry and afraid just for the situation having happened. But having the Beetle come out in all of its ugly CGI glory. I'll learn everything. It's like, okay, fine kid. The fact that the first kitten dies first and then the other four kittens die except one which goes fucked up makes me assume that that's what's going to happen to the five of them. I don't know if it's going to be that literal or not but that's what it's telling me with its language right now. It's like the kittens are a standard for the kids. One of them dies first and then the other four. Well, three of them die and then one of them is weird. There are definitely symbolisms that somewhere for sure. After she finds the scene of her finding out Nell is dead, the following scene is the cat dies. Yeah. And this thing is it's not... I think this is probably one of the more overt of the episodes. It's clear that if Stephen was considered the skeptic, Shirley would be the fixer of people. She seems to be very obsessed with maximizing good feels for everybody at any cost to herself. That seems to be the case. It really implies the word fix in this episode. I think they would have been better off using more synonyms of fix instead of repeating fix. I think it's like fix four or five times. It's hard not to notice it after a while. Again, this is what I consider to be strong. It's just I would tweak. I really liked when they did the flashback to six years prior and Stephen's looking like relatively disheveled and the idea of paying for anything is daunting to him. She says don't worry, when you're famous as a writer, you can pay me back. It's like, ooh, ooh. The way you enact is the figure just looking down. It's just slumping. You can tell he wants to try and tell you it's not worth it, but she pushes right through and he's like, okay, all right. Luke not looking great in these first two episodes from the little we know. I would say it's really interesting that all of the flashbacks so far have shown the mother to be pretty damn normal, sane, loving, bubbly. And we know that she's considered insane by everybody at this point. Again, more just like, oh my God, how are those pieces, fill them in. Gimme. I wonder what. Yeah, it's the whole thing. We know the end outcome and we just want to see how we get there. I kind of empathize with Luke at this point. I don't know. I think I would probably break the fuck down if I was in a situation in life where I had seen evidence to make me believe that ghosts are real in a way that I don't understand and I could be in danger at any time from fucking ghosts. I would not deal well. If I had actively seen that, yeah, I'd probably end up like Luke, I think. Just really interested in exactly what happened to him, where he ended up. Nell is currently dead and she's the only one that we've seen blatantly addressing ghosts like already. It makes a lot of sense that she'll be number five. And if we're descending in order of like unstableness, it would be Theo next and then Luke. And I wonder when getting POVs from each of these characters, if things shall change. I was gonna raise that actually because now that we're moving out of secure, stable territory, it's especially given the way Theo reacted to getting Luke to her Nell's funeral and the reaction to him missing it as well when, of course, we find out later that Shelf barred him from it. Very different perspectives on each other, I guess. The picture is still unclear, but you've got two completed characters. Actually, a visual thing I realized from the first episode with the info of the second one, which I didn't pick up on in my last one. Oh, Jesus. Does that just on my hands? You have a really fucking mental distortion on your make there. Oh, I think you're crazy. You live in a spooky house when you're a kid. I guess before I move on, the very final, I guess, it might have been obvious, I don't know if it is or not, but the blinking light on the model house. Oh, yeah. Again, this is a moment where I'm like, am I supposed to say this? Yes, I am. Because it's a light of the episode you just saw. When I flashed the porch light twice. Time to come home. That's the rule. Yeah, exactly. All right. I forgot. I heard that going, oh, yeah, that's going to be very, like, that there may be a site, there's may as well be like a screen going. This is explicitly important. And then I literally see a porch light blinking and I'm like, nope, no connections here. I must return to my notes. I'm not sure. I would say. I'm not sure if it was what you said or not, but I had it in my mind that each of the character episodes are going to be the same day playing out, but from each of their different perspectives, but clearly not. I did say that. I mean, of course, it's not that strict. Right. Because of course, I think it's halfway through Shirley's episode. We're at the end of Stevens. So you could see what they're doing. I swear that happened right at the beginning, that we got to the end of Stevens. Like, it felt like it was going on. Well, so I remember clocking it was about halfway through that she finds out the kitten died. And that's right after she's on the call with Steven telling her that Nell's dead. So I don't remember much happening before that. What have I forgotten? Doing all the funeral stuff. Oh, yeah. Well, and you get some, this is the thing with these episodes is that it's not exclusively the character you also get. We're filling in scenes with some other people here and there. We're dropping shit all over the place. I swear to God, so many of the things they're telling you in scenes is just like, oof. Which is the kind of thing you watch back and think, how can they be that explicit about it? Kind of, but it's so natural. So it's fine. No. Oh my God. Ah, Netflix. God's again. Ah. That was short for Nazi. Yes. You're squeezing too tight. This hand was out. Yeah, okay. I'll concede. She did not need to say that. Yeah, balance. It's almost like they're thinking, would a kid say that? Yeah, I wonder because it's not something we needed at all. It's not that they think we're so stupid because it's a hand. I'm curious about that one because it is just so pointless. It says something about what she's thinking there because my immediate reaction wouldn't be, who was that? Where the fuck did they go? Well, yeah, see if it was my choice, I would just have her looking like she's freaked the fuck out. Yeah. Yeah, my first question wouldn't be, in a house where I live with a lot of people, wouldn't be who? Where'd they go? Were they even there? Could that have been anything else? I stayed as quiet as I could, thinking maybe he'd just stay down there. What does Mr. Smiley look like? Just a big smile. Too big. He's always smiling, but he isn't happy. Where does Mr. Smiley live, Kelsey? In the basement? But when I was scared, I would imagine myself building a big wall all around me made of these strongest bricks in the whole world. I knew I'd be safe in there forever. This could be normal. The foster care system isn't the easiest place to grow up. That's always been like one of my super creepy things is kids drawings of like the shit they say. Yeah. Trash. These transitions. She says it wasn't every time. Yes, it was. Hang on. This is... fancy. 49, Clota Riera. Damn. How did you know that? Hmm. I don't know why you threw a box without opening it. Yeah, that's odd to me. That's a tough one today. I couldn't get anything from her. She's like a brick wall. I know the type. Huh. What? It's like a telephone. Always with that sound. Keep doing that whenever she touches things. That's the other end. All right, then she wants the gloves. Smell. She smells the same in here as the rest of the house. There they are. That's a sick bud. How do you know? Um, rice? No, it's chocolate, but no, it's chocolate. I love that conversation. I'm Theodora, but I like my friends to call me Theo. It's rice now. Will you call me Theo? I was trying to take ownership of something that doesn't belong just to me. So you're pulling the book? I'll give each of you 8% of any royalties, and if it sells as well as my publisher thinks it will, it's... I'm trying to do the right thing, you sure? The right thing? Awkward while you pack up for California? Whatever. Whatever? It's all about the money for you, Steve. We're well aware. Of course it's about the money. I've heard Luke and Nellie's ghost stories, no offense, Nellie. Okay. I've heard you and Steven do your best James Randi impression, where you say how crazy everybody was. I just would rather focus on living my actual life right now. It's blood money, Steve. You're welcome to every bread scent. Blood money. Right. Want to let go of his arm? Why are you yelling at him? Because the dumb waiter is not a toy. We're dangerous. That's all you need to say then. She's scared. What makes you say that? You got some kind of like actual touch sense powers. I'm almost getting tired of how good the transition is. That one was like a change of pace I liked that one. Luke? Trying to take a ride in this elevator? Dumb waiter. This one ride? You hop straight out and you don't tell anyone I did this for you. Okay? Okay. Such a gorgeous shot. Luke? Yeah. Bring me... Oh jeez. There's something down... There's the light. Oh jeez. Hello. Did you rip your shirt? Must have got caught on the door. Tell me, girl. What the hell were you thinking? Is he okay? Go to your room. I'm gonna check the kitchen. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're good. Okay. You don't have to help me. I'll find her. Beats the cold shoulder from Shirley. One minute to go. I'm sorry. I'm ready. It's okay. Yeah. I wanna check your makeup. No, it's fine. You'll be fine. I wanna see who's in there. It's gotta be Henry. Hey. We didn't know you were a... into... Bridesmaids? I love you. Can you get my dress? Oh yeah. My kids are gonna ask me how she died. Don't elaborate. Don't offer information that's not requested. Tell them you're sad too. Better they ask you than me, because I don't wanna have to tell them that I'm fucking pissed at Auntie Nell who should have known better what this does to a family. They don't believe me. About what? Anything. First they said Abigail's not real. Now they said the basement's not real. It's not in the blueprints. Nobody ever believes me. I believe you. Maybe we can prove it to them. I'm sure it's fine. Jump scare. Bless you. Thank you. I didn't realize you made house calls. I don't. Normally I was just out and about thinking about your case. Give us a shout if you need anything. I'm about to go back to work. What are you looking at? And social services too. I haven't been wrong before, have I? It's a book of secrets that they were trying to hide. How do you figure that? Give me my love. These will help with the cold and the other thing. Pretty good of secrets. No hugs. You got a couple things wrong in there by the way. That was really wild stuff considering that you were asleep for what? Like 99% of it? I'm gonna get my fucking PhD. Thought I heard somebody down here. Sorry to wake you. Charlie found your checkbook. Hm? Individual account. I mean, it's just as bad for you as it is for me. You might want to come up with an excuse, though. A secret family. You know, something that's gonna piss her off less than the truth. Last night at the club, you completely ignored me. Yeah. I found out that a nine-year-old that I was treating was getting molested by her foster dad. And she buried it so deep, she had to make up a monster just to compartmentalize and cope. Guy folded like a cheap suit the moment he was questioned by the cops. Yay. The girl goes back into the system, so it's a gamble at best. Good job, me. She just needed help, and no one was listening. Come on. That was quite a specific blast of visuals there. Yeah. Which bit? The face. Just what she saw from the dad grabbing her. Yeah. And does wonders for your imagination. This whole episode does. Her reaction to grabbing Nell is like, oh, fuck. She's a pretty good actress. Yeah. This episode is interesting as fuck. Yeah. And I don't know about you guys, but like Theo just is ultimately my favorite character right now. It's like, oh, fuck. I mean, it's weird for me to say, but yeah. Like slam dunk easily, but I guess we'll see about the last two episodes changing. Oh, shit. Oh, just, yeah. Evil laugh, but yeah. And after you see like the whole, this whole flashback at the end, she's like, oh, that's why she's so, he doesn't tell us anything kind of. Well, yeah, it's such a, like you can tell if they were sort of stat bars for what the, what piece of writing is being focused in this show particularly is like writing for characters is like 12 out of 10. Yeah. They are so heavily character based and just, yeah, the amount we've learned about Theo. It was pretty neat. They're not subtle about it having a power, but they are subtle about what exactly it does and how it works and what she gets from it. Until, I'd say by the end of the episode, it's mostly clear. But I think they go from like a slight focus on the power to like higher focus. Like they do like shots onto the hands at some points like, oh, okay. It's definitely by degrees. Yeah. What with the fact that the last instance of it is like the most major severe and traumatic. She gives, she does, she grabs the kid's hand in the beginning like this almost speech about how to get over the problem and it does nothing. Yeah. Like the kid is just like, well, no. And then she literally at one point says she couldn't get anything out of it. And of course the thing is this was like such a deep trauma that it was essentially passed over without her realizing. It's almost like she was given subtext rather than text. So she was just figuring out a deal that meanwhile we get an example that's really quick with another kid who she shakes his hand and diagnoses him like immediately. She just writes out all the problems and it's done. This kid's giving her some problems. And I don't know if you've noticed but three is a pattern. Each of the characters we're exploring, each of them have a ghost story to deal with in their lives. And they're all different and they all have different results. And I really like it. It's really neat. There's only the second one. The granny who's at the foot of his bed and he can't. He sees her as like without a hair and without a teeth. Oh right. Yeah. That one didn't really play as big a role as far as I remember. Well, the idea with that one is that he's too afraid to see her in the wake because he pictures her as being horrifying. And then it's obviously running parallel to Shirley which a lot of them are because Theo interestingly is the middle kid. She's caught between the two skeptical people and the two major fuck ups. And you can tell she's like super to herself building up that wall she's talking about. No one's ever asking her talking to her about anything. It's always to do with one of the other kids. Yeah. And when she tries to like reach out do whatever major moments of punishment and you know just scolding in general and a power that would automatically make her not want to touch anybody. But I love how it progresses through the episode of like understanding exactly what it does because at first she's like desperately looking for anything for that girls experience. But once she grabs the sofa like fully it almost looks like for a moment she's trapped inside it. Yeah. And then with the Nell one that just makes that even scarier when we've seen that happen already. And then with that last one her reaction to the dad being like terrified of him just like damn and what she saw in Nell must have been so traumatic that she's desperately grabbing onto that girl basically just to flood it out. Anything else. Wonderful work for all of our brains to just picture what the fuck's going on with all of it. Theo gives the actual advice to how to talk to the kids. Yeah. Yeah. My kids are going to ask me how she died. What do I say? You answer the question that's asked. What are you doing to her? I just finished embalming her. It helps her look how we remember her. Tell him you're sad too. I know you're curious. I'm sad. I'm sad too. I'm going to ask why. Tell him you don't know. No one knows. That's okay. Why did she die? Like almost word for word? Yes. Is that how you're supposed to like tell a kid if someone they know themselves? I'm assuming what Mel was saying was we saw the advice given in episode two and then we saw in episode three why she gave that advice specifically that response specifically and it's all informed by the fact that Theo fucking hates being lied to. If anything the connecting sort of theme throughout a lot of her episode is just she just wants to know what the truth is. But interestingly she's holding what seems to be a significant secret from Shirley. Yeah. There's like valuing it for herself but only letting people other people know what she thinks they should know. Yeah. She wants to know the truth about everyone else but is perfectly content for like brick walls all around her. Wasn't Shirley trying to make other people happy at her own expense? Yeah. And this is sort of same way different rules for me and different rules for you. The fact that her job is child support and she is talking about like how she like gets upset just talking about being seen heard or being able to express themselves and stuff like it just perfectly slots in and she's like well that tells you a lot about her as a person. Very middle child. And yeah whenever she's praised or congratulated she always seems really happy in the past scenes for being noticed and stuff. Really good stuff. Yeah. Really nice consistency when we have the scene in the second episode when Nels corpse can stretch out you know they always say they hear dogs even though the Dunlead guy says there are no dogs. Right yeah. The few times that we ever see the whole family together is usually pretty bad but there's that one wedding scene that they find out Theo's gay and it's all it's just so well maybe by who knows it's such a nice little scene. It's a like in a show that's full tragic mode it's just a moment where they're all happy and yeah it's natural if it's real. You lot like well I don't know who specifically but there was a laughter just like just ahead of the characters bursting out laughing laughing the just because it's an absurd scenario but then not really actually you must start laughing at you don't laugh one of the other collection bits when they're all telling Steven there's no fucking way they're taking the money it's blood money I really like his reaction it's like he doesn't think he's done anything wrong but he's getting parried for it it's just good shit because that's all they're chipping away all of that kind of story as we go ahead as well. I didn't quite follow was the guy later with his checkbook was he taking the money behind their back? Well I wouldn't want to confirm anything but what we know alright okay so I wasn't sure if I'd missed something So I'd say the important detail is when she says you know you need to sort out that account and then he says like this is about as bad as it is for me as it is for you and Theo took the money it's well yeah took some of the books as well would be yeah they accepted the blood money I guess why shell's husband would have I don't know but assuming that would be the case they describe their their companies in the black meaning that they're breaking even right we're in the black though we are but barely and Tyson's saying it again just like Bob's quarter we're in the black we have to do better and he seemed very uncomfortable with that yeah they're very tentatively okay but it's very clearly an unsteady financial situation yeah what do you guys think about the whole they no one ever found the basements in all these years the fact that there's a dumb way to go into it is kind of dumb yeah they're just kind of stuck stuck out to me but it doesn't appear on any plans no one wants to know that they don't want anyone to know that this basement exists except for the dumb way that leads to it well you would think that the dumb waiter was installed I don't I guess I have to check the dates on those and prohibition prohibition was 1920 through like 1933 I think is when it ended the basement was the dumb way could have been installed after so the dumb waiters they were invented in the 1840s so I guess it's an electric you know how it became electric yeah well so the reason it's not on the plans but it does seem unlikely that it wouldn't have been found by somebody at some point yeah that's all they're just stuck out to me like yeah like the hills you think they would have known about it there was a dumb waiter leading to it so yeah I don't know if is the show trying to imply that like nobody ever realized the down was there so nobody ever tried is that is that what they go on I guess no of course and then up by another one you would hit then but the fact that there's a down button you'd think someone would be curious enough to say hey does this go down yeah well no because the down button you could just assume brings it down from no of course but once it gets to your bottom level you might be curious enough to say hey let's press down one more time well it takes in a hurry mispressing it one cent when it's there you'd be able to see there's no space under it you can see through the door you might question that yeah sure there's not well I was going to say there's not much that comes from them discovering that as far as I know anyway it just no no it's just stuck out to me it's like spoiler it pretty much just gives us an in road to a bit more about Theo and about the fact that's never going to stop and they're not like it gives us an in road to nobody believing Luke and that being something he's I guess yeah because apparently the Dudley's didn't know about it either because they they were standing there with the dad's like yeah it was just weird I mean it doesn't really damage the show greatly it's just I mean stuck out to me I guess you'd call it a dumb way to no something about that I find fascinating is I'm very curious what like receiving all those impressions or emotions and experiences from people at one of each that with gloves on with gloves on being very jaded which I guess how you get to I'm curious if that's going to tie into the the actual haunting itself or it's just going to be like two separate spooky things that have happened I would hope that it all ties in together because you know there is a horror trope of just showing loads of creepy looking stuff and then the explanation at the end is that the show is perfect so prepare for like not everything being as good as you may would hope it to be wouldn't want to over overcharge anything though I will say unequivocally episode six is one of the best episodes of TV that ever existed it's easily top fucking five yeah I'd probably say not bad which one sorry episode six five is really good but six six is six is kind of insane but is it too scary though yes oh this shit because like we obviously as has been seen we have criticisms for it but I wish fucking media was about this good for most stuff how nice would that be oh that would be a good job to live in yeah because I've seen a lot of TV lately it's all shit compared to this to be not about to break down the writer's door over the dumb way a thing no I am the scares in this are good but like for me at least far from the core feel of it to me yeah that's what I would say more interesting characters the characters are phenomenal the horror is fine I guess similar vein to Silent Hill 2 in that way but Silent Hill 2 that's quite good horror yeah I wouldn't want to throw too much shade there's some scares I like a lot in this in terms of execution there's nothing in it usually original it just feels like the tropes done so well I don't necessarily disagree with it is you know a ghost story haunted spooky house premise but it's just executed really what I will say is we just got passed out of the five characters we're done with the three you would consider to be the non-spooky tisms yeah that's true so maybe who knows what will happen next fucking hell by comparison right Luke is the one we've seen the least stuff so far I think right yeah that makes him interesting at the moment is most of what we know about him is people talking about him and he's rarely ever there and what we see of him is not good that's that's gonna be enough for me for the day everything that I hate me in here bitch raggleton all right give me a second let me see if I can just a second I need a boogie all right hang on there was a thought in my brain that's hanging no thought come back all right here's episode four metal did you just get jump scared nah stuck a crack I even ripped my shirt they still didn't bleed me they don't even bleed me about you don't sweep to the point well what's interesting is we'll be like oh fuck yeah course those random little scenes in the previous three episodes now we're gonna be getting the bigger picture on this shit yeah hope I think that it's both it's enticing for every character when you see them you're like oh yeah I don't know things are for them okay go but these two yeah I'm wondering if we're gonna get a focal episode on the dad if that's what episode six says that's my wonder at the moment during the service you know I'm thinking it would straight me out 2004 my second tour in Iraq my company secured the ruins of a bombed out hospital in Baghdad we came across this little Iraqi girl I mean she was blacked out dead most folks don't know what happens the eyeballs in a fire and the right kind of fire they they can melt I mean that pretty bad um anyway six months later I'm back in the States and pretty soon I start seeing that little dead girls face everywhere and pretty soon before I know it I'm using again I mean it's growing out of the god damn wall paper you know I mean and she's staring at me eyeless even I can tell yeah so I grabbed this knitting needle seemed like a good idea at the time so then I'm blind the thing is is I still see her well I can't I see her but um I'm here two months I've been clean I leaned on my habit to get rid of that face and my habit made sure that I never would that's why I'm here two months Luke how about you follow that Luke uh addict I like you Luke I've never had this much time before you know 90 days seven it's normal for kids to have imaginary friends nightmares but has anyone seen Nelly it's okay I just thought she might like these cool little buttons I found upstairs I can't can I have the hat you know big boys they know the difference between what's real and what's imaginary so what do you say champ he loves it well how do you know that it's a twin thing having a total deja vu right now two no three kids share an open center for play kids books are on the lower shelf so even a little boy with a wheelchair can reach his favorites I got really specific and I see an accident waiting to happen if you don't pull those down bodies swinging back and forth right there yeah a fearless moral inventory moralistic is our secrets okay okay I've burned Shirley for thousands of dollars I like to feel like it was my job I'm stolen from Steve on countless occasions I broke Nelly's heart Mr. Whiting I even robbed my asshole of a father although that one doesn't exactly keep me up at night you're nine months clean at Joey nine months I said right it's full-time it's a fully formed little baby anywhere nine months clean as a palace no house is wildly improved by loud typing seriously what's wrong that's the sister of yours the one that dropped you off she seemed to believe in you tons actually yeah more that's the twin thing I said I'm ready but I only got two it must be stuck you're scared no I'm not I can tell how because I'm scared I hate that so much there's nothing Jesus that's a good one her image was there the whole time 21 she turned did you notice her was that the oldest that's just grandma's really there's a reason why the program encourages us to stay out of personal relationships the first year we're not in a relationship any kind of relationship how the fuck do you expect people to get through this without friends we don't as we can start to hang our recovery on someone else instead of on ourselves and you lean too hard on another addict shit we didn't all end up in here because we're so reliable Luke hey hey it's uh it's me um I just wanted to make sure that you're okay it was fantastically uncomfortable that was so uncomfortable Jesus I was so relieved for it I was like oh I just wanted that you're not kidding about more he just wanted his bath how'd you know where to find another spot it's okay I found her we're coming back we can be there in 20 minutes this is in a hotel Luke you know that you run you give up your spot that's the way it is please page I'm sorry to yourself I knew the rules when I left I just I slept on a funny last night I'm sorry can you get money what about your sisters or your brother do you think you can call them I'll get some okay I'm gonna fix this I'm gonna get us a place to stay tonight tomorrow too and I'm gonna get you clean again kind of in each other's heads you know it's been like that since we were kids once I broke my foot and they'll call me a few minutes later and she was just she was just watching TV and her ankle her ankle just went nuts now she's she's always believed in me the rest of the family not so much so yeah of course they came it's what she would've done for me when we get there just just hang back I don't want her to see your eyes she always fucking knows how are you I'm good I'm I'm really really good 90 days good in fact I can tell you look different thank you I got a date pass is uh Steve here just kind of need to talk to him about some he didn't tell you tell me what we separated a month ago uh 90 days like like I said and I said that's great well I need to borrow some money just a little Jesus no it's not it's not like that you just give me Steve's address then please you can't make calls in the first 30 days unless a case were besides off so well that's a little harsh isn't it it's not as harsh as an overdose well what if you want to call your mom till Luke tells me you're a writer I did um surprised you mentioned it where do you get your ideas from yeah the short story with the imaginary little friend in the garden of the one do you know that one Abigail yeah I put her in one of my books too something tells me Luke won't get as much blowback for his it's just an essay I keep telling him he should publish it off his name alone maybe get a sweet place like this for himself this is so awesome you guys got it all man where do you go from here mm-hmm nothing left to do except maybe fill this place up with some kids I guess so is this your first rehab Joey uh as far from it not Luke's first row here either I mean you know that the definition of insanity Steve doing the same thing over and over over and expecting different results sure man sure in a sense I guess you could say it looks like the same thing over and over again but that's not insanity out there on the streets that's insanity doesn't mean you stop just because it gets a little repetitive I get it she's charming she's articulate she's funny might even say slick you ever seen someone in withdrawal Steve nope they're freezing all the time LA in July no air conditioning freezing muscle aches stiff as boards nausea shakes I wouldn't know well she does I'm not asking for her hand in marriage I just wanted to be a friend to dinner and you're not even giving her a chance fresh out of those I gave them all to you just because someone's a good person just because you care about them doesn't mean they won't burn you you know I'm so glad we got to show this milestone that's all I wanted 30 days clean so you could make me feel like shitting in get freezing in here keep the cash and sell that old camera I need the iPad it stays here POV look at the plan with POV just the shots because last time we saw it he was far away this time Steve's far away amazing amazing makes them seem distant damn this is cold tonight man I don't know if I'm making another couple blocks to that I'll just pop into the little junkies room and be back in a minute you got a fever yeah my arms and legs you know muscle aches no I'm fine what are you doing? be back in a flash Joey Joey wow remember what Steve said? yeah just because someone's a good person doesn't mean they're not going to burn you it's taken me 10 years to get 90 days clean now I've been called a lot of things in my life but fearless is not one of them I thought I'd get braver as I got older but I didn't my mom committed suicide when I was six years old and my siblings and I were sent to live with her aunt I just expected her to to come back you know to come take me home those taillights they were the worst red eyes in the dark just taking hope with them but other things from from when I was a kid they they came back and I guess that's I guess that's why I started using in the first place you know to keep those things away my family they're not going to believe this they never really believe me and I don't blame them you know I fucked them over so many times I stole I guess I'll I'll never know how it felt for them to be done like that I hope I never know I couldn't help her but I was like it's so stiff I just I need I need a bed like a couch I'll sleep on the goddamn floor just please please we'll come get you awake oh yeah cause you're awake they say she's a nightmare but she's real I know she is mom dad Steven Cheryl Theo you me it has to be seven that keeps you safe sometimes you gotta do it a lot one two three four five seven three four five six seven one two three four five six I'm so good are doing my honors live this is staff you you both even right now it's dead hell when it was suicide you boys it oh that's interesting I think Luc存C is my favorite character so far then he's pretty easy to love from that episode that's the watching I fucking big monarch holy Carwyn Yeah, the silent like him in the faces he made when he found out that died. I was just watching him like believe he is excellent. He is excellent. Round of applause to the actor. Jesus. Yeah. I think they're all damn good. Yeah. Well, yeah, they are performance demanded so much more of him than other than I think the other ones did. And he brought it all. Yeah. So that was really good. Yeah. Yeah. I could easily see people picking it for their favorite. Out of the four we've seen is my favorite. And then Theo and then Steven and then Shirley. The only thing I don't was that they had another good side character cast with the blind guy in the beginning. Yeah, he was really good. Bonus ghost story. And yeah, the amount of times they'll have a camera sit on a person. Just tell a full story and they'll even have little like moments of stopping or stuttering that I feel genuine. They really up the spooks this time as well. Yeah, seriously. That was that one scene, really. And that was terrifying. And then the rest was just sort of normal, I guess. I was I was even the old lady. But yeah, right. I forgot about her. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like this one's got some real spooks. Mola, you mentioned that her reflection was in the brass thing the whole time until you only noticed it. Not not the first brass thing. The second one, you see it. You can see her turned away in the first shot. The second shot, she turns to look. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking it would be so cool if she was there for like the whole. Yeah, man. Some stuff maybe that would be inconsistent with the ghost rules. Some stuff with a lot of these, a lot of these episodes, some stuff you might miss if you're not really looking. Yeah. Well, of course, now we've got we've got everyone except now now. So it's like, give me that. Give me that last piece. Yeah, I guess we're going to see her die then. Has my my own. Yes, structurally, you could call it simple and yet genius, just the way they've done this because we've built up to to to the one that is all really caused everything else out of place in the first place. A huge thing would be other writers would tell a story chronologically but then just deliberately not have the characters mentioned the thing they don't want the audio yet. They've structured the story in a way, you know, it's not chronological, but they're just drip feeding the audience the information they want to have when they want them to have it, which is so much more efficient than just trying to tell your story chronologically, but keep information from your audience. The inciting incident for everybody getting together is her death. We get that in episode one, and we're just seeing everybody circling around it. And now it's like, I suppose it's time. Yeah, to see what's going on. Also, you know, the big Spookyman with the walking stick. Yeah. He's a I don't want to say this one 100 percent certainty, but I'm pretty sure when I first saw the show and looked into it, he's like all real. He's on like a big like a green screen crane, mini crane thing that they've got him moving around on. That's super cool. Yeah, when you watch him, there is an element of just like that looks good. All the things I was expecting when he peeked out there, that is low on the list. Yeah, just this lurching while floating. Yeah, you remind me of something from your first thought is like, oh, yeah, a little, little a coat that's hanging from the wall and then starts moves like, oh, shit, the Tizmyman's smaller. The gentleman. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's nice and subtle. And this is again about like, I guess, recontextualizing. In the first episode, Stephen asks why Luke is awake. He says because Nell is awake and that we've had many lines like that throughout the show now with why is one of them X like the other one is to as if there's some kind of connection where one feels the other one will too. And of course, it becomes pretty like, like he explains it to the to the girl as he like sprained or broke his ankle or whatever and she felt crazy pain in her foot. Of course, with her dad, he's progressively over the episode getting stiffer, colder, more anxious. Yeah. And yeah, the connection they have setting that up is so they never say it explicitly, but it's so clear. Like, like the idea that he's sharing the experience of being dead because she's dead. It's just like, yeah, and obviously doesn't obviously doesn't help this like withdrawal symptoms. Yeah, that's assuming that he's just taking drugs again because of course, the few times we see Stephen and him interacting, Stephen just doesn't fucking believe him. He's cynical touches his neck a lot. I'm wondering if that's like a tick or if that's well, no, no, because because when they touches his neck a lot. I'm wondering if that's like a tick or if that's well, no, no, because because when they because when they when I assume is the time she died at two or three, all of them wake up clutching their necks. Yeah, he gets killed in the neck. Yeah, to the neck. Okay, I'm pretty confident. I know how she died then. The time when the choice of words are so just wonderful where he says like explains the experience and then he says, I'm not using you believe me, right? And all Stephen says he like poses for him and just goes you got to come with me. He's not answering that question. He can't say yes, but he can't say no. Yeah, insistently the cynic and it's just it's wonderful now that we're, you know, four episodes in so we've gotten such strong personalities have built up for each of these people. So now we can watch them clashing and it's even more like understandable and straightforward. And just recontextualizing that scene from the first episode on the stairs between Stephen and Luke. Like that cast Stephen is such a different light. Like he's just at the bottom of the stairs. He looks up. He's like, oh, oh, you want money. That's my stuff. Okay, I can give you some money, but just give me my stuff back and that's all there is to it. Are you cold? Are you cold? How'd you know where to find me? How'd you know where to find me? Yeah, we've got all of this bonus context that Luke is just trying to make the best of the situation and it keeps getting worse. Yeah, pretty shitty day. I would say. Yeah, they tear him right down to the D-End. He's bloody and freezing. He's like, oh, I hope I never have to go for that myself. What I did to all my families that once like, oh, yeah. When she kisses him and you could tell it was so awkward in the, didn't seem right. And he was like thrown off by it. You keep an eye on your hand when she's kissing him and you can see her go for his money. Yeah, I didn't notice that. Big shame, but yeah. Yeah, I guess. She was like nine months clean when you're relapsing. None of that means there's anything or nothing right I mean to anything other than get next high. My expectations are sky high. There shouldn't be. Not for episode five. It is good, but six is the one word sky high. Sky high. My expectations are sky low. Nobody watches about that lady. I don't want to know about guy low. She sounds scary. It meant that clay. Oh, look, these next two. Let's get to it. Okay. Yeah, it comes now. Oh, so it's an hour and ten minutes. This one's longer than any other Netflix does that. God makes long episodes. No, makes inconsistent length episodes. Oh, what if a kid is like, mom, just one more and it's a two hour one? It's like that's fucked up. Ah, scared of children. But that's that's that's got to be a phobia, right? Jesus screams so loud. It hurt my ears. Maybe it was you. No, it wasn't you. You can hold on to it tonight. And when you're older, I'll give you this one. It's a bit like Paranova too. So we're just like, oh, no, nighttime go away. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's going to be left. No, I hate the scene so much. Such a cool shot. I'm frozen. I can't talk or move my arms or legs. And how long does this last until you're able to move again? Maybe a minute, maybe two, but it feels like hours. Sometimes sleep paralysis is actually more common than you think, but it's completely harmless, which is easy for the sleep tech to say, right? Uh, it's funny the things people sometimes report. Shadow people, animals, dead loved ones. A little spill. What's that? Just, just call me Arthur. So what now, Arthur? Well, it won't stop the process, but could get rid of the panic. It's nice to be listened to. Do you drink coffee? Yeah, I, are you, are you asking me if I want to get coffee? I, it's for the health history section in your file. Oh. I was planning on waiting until the end of your visit to ask you out for coffee. But since you brought it up, yeah. Okay. So when you go, she doesn't seem to be around when, no, the current, let there be a happy thing. Jesus. Yeah, we just had a whole overload of misery. I'll buy it for half a second. Control your breath. Don't get the light. Any second now. It's taking her forever. No, any second. Fanny's going to drop. It took her almost 10 minutes. Luke said he might move out there too. It's following you west, huh? That's twin thing. I wouldn't get my hopes too high. Who knows if he'll be in any condition too. I hope he does. It's very nice. This is the best. Too much champagne, maybe. In a long time. He was dead and she was back. Arthur died of an aneurysm. I know it looked like an aneurysm. I know what's to blame. Hill House. Hill House. I don't expect you to believe me. Your hair is awful tangled, Mr. Ristles. Maybe I can find a brush for you. Where? So can I keep it? Yes, I'm sure it's fine that you keep the tea set. Nellie. Mommy, can we have a tea party? Not now. Young lady, we have a very, very important job. And that's to take care of this house. Would you like to tell your sister what you did? I didn't. But you said she didn't. I have a steel poker in my head and my daughters are trashing my... It didn't do it. I swear. You didn't. You can tell. I don't see why it matters. I'm pulling down this wallpaper anyway. I actually caught this by a time shell. I'm proud of you. It doesn't matter where you do it. It matters as you want to change. Where were you? I've been having a hard time sleeping in that house without him. Yeah, it's just been... Can you take a right and pull over, please? I just need one more favor. Why are we... Okay, so here it is. I need to get well before I go in. You get well on this time. He had to kind of go through the gates and he had to kind of get it out of your system. He's just not going to sell me. But he doesn't know you and it's going to take, I promise you. Look, I'm tired of this shit, okay? Look, I can bullshit Steve and Cheryl and feel if I got it never you. Believe me now. I always believe in you, you know him. Now I get it. I've been having a really hard time too and nobody wants to see it, you know? I want to see it, okay? I want to see it. She's not collecting those buttons? Just need a little help sometimes, right, Nelly? I wish you would have called me. That is not the way you help an addict. You said you would. Please, you know I don't like... You said you would. Where? The pillow. Anything? No. Theo. That's where he died. Nelly, I don't want to... You said you... Hey, hey! You just... No, all right? I'm feeling serious fucking concern. That is what I am feeling. I just want to know if he's still here. He's not. And that fucking sucks. But I didn't think I would be treated like a goddamn... I'm sorry! Does Shirley know what he made you do? Like you're above taking money from family. Yeah, you really want to talk about what Shirley knows and doesn't know? What does that mean? I guess that's a no. She might not let you freeload anymore. Nelly, I have my limits. Only with us. And never with yourself. You've never cared about anyone more than yourself. That's sad. But don't lecture me about adulthood, Theo. Not from Shirley's fucking guest house. I'm so glad you're here. Why do you keep lying to these people? To sit here and listen to you talk about things that you don't believe. No. And you tell me I'm crazy. And that mom was crazy and Luke's crazy and we're all just nuts. And then you tell our stories. And you're supposed to be my big brother. You're supposed to protect me. And then you make so much money. No. I'm just asking why. I just want to know why. What the fuck, Nell? It was a fair question. You don't come in here and embarrass me like that. Me embarrass you? Have you read what you wrote about us? You've had six years to file a complaint. Why the hell are you doing this now? Are you off your meds? No. Bullshit. High depressant phase. You don't get to just start smashing up our lives because you're transitioning into a new treatment, Nell. Not the time or place. And I'm standing up for myself. For the first time. You're certain you're taking your medications. It always comes back to one thing. The house. And I think that if you were to look at it today after all these years, you'd find it's not a monster. It's barely even a house. Hi. What would Arthur say to you if... what do you think he'd want for the rest of your life? Back for mom? Not yet. Stevie, I need you to be in charge, okay? He looked her in. When? I'll bring her back. But I have to go now. Come here. You were the last one out, what'd you see? Ted woke me up, carried me out. I'm not sure what idea. Did you see anything? I don't know what I saw. We were in the red room having a tea party with Abigail and Mommy. How? The red room's locked. What? I found her. She's okay now. It's just paint. You hold on to this. I'll try to be back here as soon as I can, okay? It's hard to explain, but I'm worried about Luke. Which way did he go, Nelly? You're so beautiful. So are you, Mama. I'm sorry for everything I said. I always should have believed you. I'm so sorry that we've fallen. I'm so proud of you, Button. I'm clean and sober all thanks to you. Hi, gorgeous. It's yours now. It's time to wake up, sweetheart. That was a terrifying scene. So what I was thinking through it was, yeah. Just yes, I was right. Ooh, Jesus. Very good. Yeah. I demand more commentary than that. I need to get my thoughts in order. Take it away, Jay. Yes, sir. No. I think it's everything I want to say. It would be spoilery. Yeah, that's why I've been watching the whole thing. So something to appreciate is that most of the scenes with family stuff, they're almost like filling in the end of the picture that is the full characters and how they interact with each other. We've got answers to a lot of stuff now. I think they established in episode one that Nell and Theo, something happened between them. We still haven't talked since L.A. Theo, I'm just waiting for an apology. And that scene is pretty fantastic. And got all the context of the book at this point. The tumultuous journey that Luke has been on with his drugs, despite the episode we saw, basically putting him in full, like, good mode. What he did with Nell in this one is like, damn, dude. Yeah. But of course, that's the struggle and that's what a lot of them see in him rather than anything else. Yeah, we've got the full relationship map now. What's missing is the mother and father at this point. Yeah, we know how the father relates to them or rather they relate to him, I guess, not the other way around. But we haven't really seen much of present day dad yet. Yeah. Nell, in this episode, goes from super happy and stable and just falls the fuck apart all the way right until the end. Just destroys her. Everything crumbles, yeah. And she gives her everything she wants to the point where, of course, it's entirely blatant, like every character gives you the one sentence that she wants, basically. Yeah, it's very on the nose. I'm almost hesitant to call this, but unlucky, I guess, on the aneurysm because it's a supernaturalisms, I guess. I'm hesitant to raise that card, but yeah. And currently, if it literally is just like, we needed a character to die at this point in the story. So they had an aneurysm, fuck it. Like, that's not great, I feel. It helps us keep suffering onto Nell, so. Can't comment on that until the show has told us everything it wants to tell us. I, like, kind of adore her in that she's constantly had to deal with just horror, just in and out every day. And she has even, then this is a bit harsh, but at least with Luke, he was using shit tons of drugs and he would take money from people and all this shit. She's, like, done nothing but be. Yeah, she's like the pure soul of the family, pretty much. Yeah, and a lot of them want nothing to do with it once she's lost herisms. She's so disconnected from all of them. The many hundreds of ways she's tried to deal with it until the fucking therapist suggests, hey, go back to the house, how about that? You can deal with your fears. I just quite like this. It was like a good mixture of the supernatural of normal because of the information he has, like, just check out the house. That's the whole thing, right? Like a character like Steven. It's like if this was in the real world, he's totally justified in the way that he views things. Why would he believe any of this stuff, especially if he hadn't seen it? Well, no, he's justified in what he believes. It's less justified when he wrote the books about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's definitely pretty much what. I always felt bad when he shouts the fuck out of her whatever it is. Of course, I get why he did, but like, oh, I feel nothing but bad for it. He's like towering over her and all she's doing is curling up the more and more as the scene goes on. Yeah, everything goes to shit for her and it ends. Well, see that scene, it's like, it might even get you for a second to be like, this is nice. It's like, you know, she dies. Like, well, yeah, of course, they don't, it's not like they lie at any point. They keep reminding you this is not right. This is very wrong. There's no pretense of trying to deceive you. Another little thing in one of the first episodes where the mother says like, oh, you need to tidy up the ropes up. Yeah, that was just the last episode, I think. I think it's four. I remember picking up on that. That's what made me so that combined with, I guess, all the other prodigious number of hints the show draws was what made me so certain. Yeah, when I first saw this, the second the rope came into frame. Yeah. The bent neck lady and the... It was the way she fell into frame when she went to get the water. For me, it wasn't even just that, it was literally just the fact that everyone woke up at the same time clutching their necks and that it would then her go through the bent neck lady. Like, that was the thing that made me... Grabbing her neck constantly. So I guess Luke is dying to a pain in a hat. Of course, you will drown in hats. When Luke spots her medication in her purse as well, and he just goes, oh, fuck. Like, because he knows that she's desperate for help as well, but he's too busy with his own shit. Of course, that's pretty blatant when he's like, how are you doing? And halfway through her explanation, he's like, take a left here. She's like, oh. Yeah, it feels... Yeah. I don't know if you've noticed, there's been a huge amount of references to how Nell is invisible. The amount of characters, of course, all of the phones being knocked off when she's trying to call people, interruptions. She says in like, I think it's episode two, she's like, nobody will play with me. Nobody will have tea parties with me. And now we know it's all tea parties, like a major thing that happens at some point. Nobody wants to deal with her. That's where you get with an estranged family. She pops up at one point. I think it's episode four, and the mum is like, oh, my little Houdini. And it's like, no. She's around. Nobody fucking pays attention. And it makes me feel sad for her. The way the dad reacts to her mentioning the bent neck lady again makes me, again, reinforces. He knows a lot more than he lets on to, well, anyone. These episodes are particularly good at giving you pieces of information. We are like, oh, that's, oh, what does that mean then? Oh. Yeah. Oh. They start the story and now we're here and everything just starts tying together. It's like, oh, wow, that's really well made. Do you wonder how this would play out if someone edited all the scenes? Oh, to be chronological? Yeah. Yeah, that is what chronologically means. You cut out your fucking idiot. Oh. You didn't touch my balls. What? You want me to touch your balls? Imagine you had sex with someone, and they just lay back and go, ah, that was entertaining. So we've got all of our characters set up. Yes, which means it's time to knock them down. Okay, slap yourself, because this one, seriously, this is some of the best shit you've ever seen. Did you hear that? Someone just slapped. Yes. I was like, before I could even think about it, I was like, oh, sure. And then I did. Netflix. Ah. So bright. Belgium. In movies, they always say that they look like they're sleeping. It doesn't look like she's sleeping. She looks like she's sleeping. She doesn't look like she's sleeping. She looks dead. She looks great. You did a really good job, as usual. But she doesn't look like she's sleeping. Most of what people say at a funeral is a wish. They're in a better place. They're at peace. They're smiling down. People just wishing out loud. How bad was it? You might want to slow down. It's going to be a long night. We should have told him not to eat dinner first. Plenty in the kitchen if we burned through that. He says he didn't even have shoes when he found them. I mean, hide our purses, though. Please, Luke. Don't fuck this up. That's not going to cut yet. It's just a little rain. I sure am. I'm sorry. I can't. I can't. I can't. He seems a lot better than I expected. I think he's like actually clean. Real wild. So what was it, the jailbreak? The long story. I thought I could do it. I know. She's right here. Take your time. Where's Lee? She'll be here tomorrow. We're taking a break. If it's all the same to you, maybe we can save this conversation for a little later. If you were married, you'd know that sometimes people need a little room. Getting you a drink. That's her detective. Positive. Positive idea. That's... I get it. Crazy. Right. I'm drinking every time. I feel like punching something. That's fucking fair. Fuck. I still don't get why she'd go there in the first place. Well, mom. She barely remembered mom. Well, what then, Dr. Crane? Punch. You put yourself in first class? I put him there too. And made dad fly coach? He insisted. Listen, it's not like we were really talking each other's ears off before that. Well, it's... It's coming down. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm a little late. That's okay. How was your flight? Thanks for being here. Good. Can I get you anything? Got tons to eat, plenty to drink. This is Kevin's coping mechanism. He turns into a waiter. You know, to see all of you in the same... Well, not all. Under. Neither can I. Well put, you want to do the eulogy tomorrow? Because it's... You want to go see her? Yes, actually. If you'll excuse me. Of course. Shirley. You... You did... She looks beautiful. Is the... I could use a bathroom where I would do... Just head up that hall. Okay. Left at your end. Okay. It seems a few bricks show. As it were. Same ride at all. I think it's a cut. Hey. I don't know why it would fall. Where'd you go? I don't know. I guess I was wandering. Maybe I was sleepwalking. Jesus Christ. Honey, don't say that. You just said it. You're right. I'm sorry. Someone broke the sandalier. Sandalier, it just fell. What the hell happened? Why, Greg? We don't know. Grab that other side. I want to move this out of the way, so no one's tripping on it. Got it. Ready? Yep. Come with me. Let's go sit down. My window just broke. Seriously? It exploded. You okay? I'm fine. Let me go check it out. Can I come? Um, sure. Go ahead. Go with your sisters. No, okay. Not quite. So for every five seconds, that's only one mile away, so that one was actually closer. Hey. Flashlights in the kitchen. Okay. Mommy's seen things, too. Sometimes mommy sees people here, too. But they won't hurt us, okay? What do you see? Everybody okay in here? Everybody's fine. Thought you hated this house. What I tell you, Nellie, it's what storms do. They... Where's your sister? Theo? She was right there. I was holding her hand the entire time. No! Where could she have gone? It was only a few seconds. Maybe she went to her room. You think she went upstairs? I don't think she went to the halls. Don't worry about me. She's going to be okay. How do you know? Because I won't let anything happen to her. To any of you guys. That's my whole job. Luke. She gets fed up, but she tells Nellie to stop using whatever it was and speak properly. You're ten years old, speak properly. Nellie looks right in the eye and says, all words are made up at first. Puffaloat, padded, puffy envelope. I know those stories because I was there for those stories. I just want to hear some new stories. Just to tell Nell that her letters to Santa would be safe and warm in the north pole she used to puffaloat. She only asked for presents for you guys. God... Damn it. Your mom would say, oh no, we water that seed. So that's her tree. Always, you know, handwritten. She wrote them once a month. Just telling me the amazing things going on with you guys. There were seven of us and now there's five because two of us decided to die. She knew the price the rest of us pay when someone does that and she did it anyway. I don't know why she didn't feel like she could talk to me. The bear thing. Yeah. Steve, I was outside pretending to be a bear banging on a tent and Nellie says, extend his magic. It makes us indivisible. Still, in the bear voice, I think you mean invisible and Nellie shouts at the bear. I meant what I said, bear. I'd like to go back to something you said. So maybe she mentioned something in one of her monthly letters that might have raised the flag about, I don't know, her state of mind. You see, we're all aware of how you like to hold back information when a family member off themselves. You want to do this now, huh? Nellie mentioned in one of her puffalopes that she crashed a book signing of mine about a month ago. Oh, she had done. She just screamed at me. Wait, what? Does that sound like Nell to you? No. Any psychiatrist worse their shit would have kept her on a much shorter leash. She's a fucking quack. She said the bent neck lady was back. Clear as day. You let her believe all that bullshit, which makes you comfortable frankly. Who is the bent neck lady? Just like mom, you ignore the signs and you hope it'll go away and then you hold back information. Why held back anything? It was to protect you kids. He's entitled. What? What is that? What's that? Theros drunk. I'm just pissed. And this is the part of the show where you break out my goddamn book. Propagating delusions? You took all that paranoia and craziness and you mass marketed to jumpstart your rating career. That's why none of us ever took your fucking money, Steve. Cut it out. And you're fucking drunk. But we're supposed to be honoring Nellie. And you don't know what I feel. And I am allowed to process that any way that I want and dictate how we all grieve our debts. Fuck! I'm fine. If I have enough of my own grief, I don't need yours too. Whatever that means. I took some money, Cheryl. I got my degree. I started my career. The book was a hit. The royalties still haven't dried up. I am fucking glad that I took it. Live under my roof, eat my food, and lie to my face for how many years? That's not gonna fly. All right, all right. Slow up, Cheryl. Fuck you! Fuck both of you! You can fuck off back to Cali, Steve. And you can start looking for a new place to squat. Dr. Crane. If I were you, I'd get down off that high horse before I fall. If you were me, you wouldn't be such a fucking asshole! We took the money, too. No, you didn't. Cheryl, you keep cutting prices down to cost. How else was I supposed to keep the business going? I mean, we took that money and changed it into something that helped people on the worst day of their lives. Both of you. Cheryl. I can't look at either one of you right now. I didn't. Someone thought, what, this was funny? This was... Here. Just put batteries in. Okay, you get fresh ones. I'll keep looking. Nellie? Liv? Strange, strange. You missed yourself. You either did mom, did she? As soon as we leave the room, you start working on him, too. Steve. Oh, let's hear it. He's not gonna want to hear that. I'm talking about... I don't understand why this family has such a part-time, acknowledging mental illness. Nell didn't kill herself. The house did. You don't understand Hill how Steve. You never did. Well, you want to hear this or not? The haunted house. You don't even... Well, Steve, get it. I don't... You're the ghost. You are, Dad. You're all of a kind. We were worried sick. Don't do that at work anymore. I thought the health things had gotten you. I thought they took you. I'm so glad you're okay. Right here. I was right here. The whole time. None of you can see me. I was gonna say, geez, you weren't kidding about one of the best episodes on television around. Masterpiece. That's what that is. Nailed it from every perceivable angle. It's nothing like what I was expecting. They just finished setting up like the snooker table and that was the break. Mm-hmm. Yeah, obviously, there's way more to come. It's just that... Mastercraft. I don't know how they managed to make everything so perfect in those fucking long ass shots, man. Imagine pitching that you want to do like 15 minute long takes with child actors to Netflix. But also... And about the fact that they built a set from which this particular area connects to the house. Yeah. I wasn't sure if that was... if they really did that with a set. I think the cut might have been with the chandelier but they could also have the upstairs and everything too. Yeah, I was gonna say that cut is probably because the house as our actual house isn't connected to this actual part. They're instead... There were totally hidden cuts within the 15 minutes. It's possible. There's no way to prove without talking to the director. But there's a couple of pans that the second there's no actors in frame it's possible that we have trickery effort. It's not too often that happens and it's still the huge argument that they all have is so amazing. I love that argument. I love that argument. So much shit that they did. Yeah, there was a... I can't remember what the actual number was but I remember reading something like 50 to 100 crew members all running around getting everything right while they were doing this. Can you imagine? Lighting effects. I'm fucking that up. I'm sure a lot of people during that production it was their turn to mess up and they just sort of were like, yeah, it's gonna happen. We're trying to do something really rough but it's gonna take us a few attempts to get this right. Yeah, I have to imagine they recorded this more than once. They had to do it a couple of times. There's even this moment where it's unclear if it was a part of the script or if it's just a partial flub but at one point Steven says... As soon as we leave the room you start working on him too. But I mean, people do that so... That's why I'm saying that that could very well be a part of the script. There's no reason for it not to be. They all do amazingly well. The really cool thing about the really long shots and the way they use especially with I guess themes of this episode they're very infuriating with it. It almost gives us a look at Nell's perspective throughout both of those nights. That seems like the entire point of it. The camera's Nell. Here's a question for you. Did you guys see Nell in the first long take? We get a picture of it so that he knows... Oh yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw that. Oh, I didn't see that, fuck. I almost said I think I saw her every time she turned up unless I missed any, but of course I wouldn't know. Oh yeah, I... One of the many hundreds of jobs I suppose the crew members had would be... Obviously, because who knows how much of the storm is real stuff. This is like a green screen and then they just do everything imposed. So she goes into the room. She sorts out the water coming in I think anyway. But when she comes back out it's part of the difference. Yep, now the first time that I had watched this with you I asked, wait a second. It's one of those statues shifted. Oh, that's really cool. Wait, I'm stupid. The house is evil. Oh, good. Everything is so deliberate. It's fantastic. I'm trying to see what the difference between the statues is. It looked really hard, I guess. Yeah. The first picture where they all lined up behind Hugh, the dad it's pretty much... At least I feel like they're in line in terms of their relationship status. I feel like. Like Steve basically leads them. He's all the way in the back. Steve and Theo are both like way back. If you remember when the dad hugs them before he leaves to go back Steve and Theo don't hug him. No, I legit can't see the difference here. Look at their heads. No, but their heads are in the same positions. They're not. Remember, it's from the same angle. This is the same. I thought this was from the opposite angle. There's a lot. Both the time where they all get traded out for the younger visions in the pan around and when young Nell is in the coffin that hits the old heartstrings quite a bit. Yeah. I can't get over that argument. I guess that's your reward when you spend five episodes just building up like underground tension between people. It's a sort of a fascinating look into like, I don't care about this situation if nobody's dying because that's high stakes. The stakes here are exposing this blood money that's been switched between hands. But it's like explosive because we've lived so much about all these different people and all these different situations. The stakes here are just these people's relationships to each other. We have to blow up five planets and how will we know how will we know people are invested if we can't? I just feel like this is the perfect way to, in what six hours you can tell someone like this just have your characters right. Get your characters right and you'll be right. I'll see the rest for you if you get them right and stick to that. Kevin is like so relatable as fuck in this scenario. He's like hey, can I get you anything? Shout in and she's like the only one who hasn't taken it and he's just fucking sweating. There's still so much left to resolve it's just, it just exploded. That's all that happened really. Well, funnily enough right, if the show ended on that episode, I'd be confused but I'd still be like holy shit there's some amazing character writing in here for six hours. Yeah, plus you'd have, but it would feel like there was enough there for you to unravel everything but you have to put in all the work. That was the other episode of the show. What I would do next is look up people trying to figure out what it all means. Yeah, and see what clues were missed to explain what is clearly what must have happened and what they wanted us to think happened with everything. Yeah, there was two kids talking about how she was missing and couldn't be found and she's like crying while trying to explain it all. I remember when I first saw it I was just like I'm sorry, are you like 20 years old inside a kid's body or something? I don't understand how they found such amazing actors that are so young I've never seen child actors that don't annoy me in this way. Funny enough, the worst of the kids actors as far as I'm concerned is the fucking oldest one. Steve. Yeah, like he's the only one there's a couple of deliveries where I'm like I don't know about that but the rest of them are fucking great and at that point you're just like is the director doing this shit? As well as obviously the work from the actors. Must be really hard to direct kids. I do imagine that's what the director does. Imagine legally they have to have their parents there as well to make sure everything is tip-top and so if you were like please do that again but actually Kay, and the parents are like wow, here come. I think we also only have them on set for like three or four hours at a day. Christ, imagine pitching something with child actors. Yeah. 15 minute takes with child actors. Yeah, and it went really well. Like, if this was shit we would all be going, what the fuck did you think was going to happen? You were doing 15 minute takes fucking more on it. Well, I have a lot of respect for ambition just, you know, less so when it's misguided. Screw it up. Imagine like watching this as the writer for Batwoman. Why would she even say that? They'd be like, oh, they did terrible. I was going to say I'd love the idea if they would. Right? Yes. The way the argument starts it's so beautifully written. It all begins with just memories of Nell then how she made up a word she would always write about how much they all need certain things and she wants them to have it. The key detail he threw in was every month she would tell me about how well you guys are doing which means if he hadn't have thrown that in that he was getting them monthly he might have avoided the whole fucking explosion maybe because of course Steven was like they're looking for people to blame all of them are. Yeah, yeah. So Steven was like you should have been able to pick something up from the fucking letter. And then it naturally goes from there like because you can see him sort of fuming a little bit, you know, as Luke's telling his story, he seems fidgety he's sort of thinking about something. The stability levels have switched from the first five episodes basically Steven is having a meltdown Yeah, while Luke seems pretty focused the blocking throughout the episode is amazing by the way it starts to pan around as the dad's telling a story and Theo goes from grabbing the drink over there to just resting against a wall I can't imagine how meticulous this was like at all times making sure everybody gets into the frame that needs to be Literally I was getting like it was so good that I was realizing how he was stressing me out thinking about how someone had to organize this Yeah where the characters are and how they're organized within all of these constantly moving charts Like watching it almost reminded me of like the stress of doing complicated paper I feel like it had to have been storyboarded heavily I hope that every degree of effort went into this thing because I want it to be proof that if you try really hard you get really good shit even like just the swapping out and moving around of objects, items and people obviously the ghosts coming in and going wherever they need to Swapping out the fucking coffin body Yeah, it's seeing wherever everyone ends up whenever the camera comes to rest is just really interesting to think about It's funny because it sneaks up on you you're watching the episode and you're like wait, we haven't cut in a while something's up I didn't have that moment of realization Have they cut yet? I'm not sure It was an interesting question That just makes me think Oh, are they gonna? And they did When Theo falls over it feels quite real and it is kind of funny and then the second they try to grab her and she fucking loses her shit just before she fell she was trying to explain that no one gets to talk shit to her after what she felt obviously referring to when she grabbed Nell There's so much going on It's not clear on how much of it she knows It's not necessarily that she knows like a story but that she might know a feeling Yeah In fact, that's the impression you get as opposed to explicit very detailed clear memories Maybe I said it earlier that she only knew the She sees flashes and experiences a strong feeling The fucking statues I think I know now I'm surely completely disregard her offhand comment I've got enough of my own to comment on that It just misses her entire coping mechanism How dare you cope this specific way You and Theo have caught up to rags now all three of you are at the same level for knowledge while metal freeing and this is the thing, if we do season 2 as well we get to speculate after every episode as a team We have to go, oh I think the butler did it What if it's garbage I hope it isn't The sort of flaws seem to accentuate in these scenes being that it surely takes her like being a good person all the way up to I'm better than all of you Yeah, the most holy as in that Theo just drowning them sorrows Just drinking and staying in the back and saying stocky things and being mean to everyone Luke and the dad mostly were just watching them deteriorate Up until Steve just fucking explodes in his face You get the impression that Luke is constantly thinking like just thinking about what happened Luke and he seem to have a rapport over the whole supernatural The whole idea of who knows what which is an interesting version and who believes it who knows the least and the youngest know the most who cares about it The dad was pretty explicit about it He's like you don't understand the house and you never did and he's like it's mental illness I mean remember he even said hereditary That seems to be what he thinks And that's even more fuel for the resentment fire against you Right, yeah like it's almost like just your fault that we're all like this because you gave it to us And you made no effort to curtail it In fact he reckons he encouraged it If characters don't piss you off even if you disagree with them that tends to be a good sign that you've done your job well Characters are screaming over the top of each other at each other to the point where you can it's hard to make out what anyone's ever really saying but you're enamored rather than Frustrated Frustration You've done pretty well with your characters Good job I feel like I know all of these characters pretty well Yeah And they're a third of what like five of them I actually know the names of the characters and I'm fucking terrible with names of characters Yes Like at the start of this I was thinking it would be cool if like there was kind of like subtitles you could have but it doesn't tell you the dialogue it just tells you the characters names as they enter the frame But that's the thing that first episode they do seems to be everything they can to keep re-establishing everyone's names because they know this is going to be a little bit complicated to follow I didn't have it by the first episode I knew like Steve I think and that was Wow, because Steve was out here with the characters and I think that they take care of us in that way because they get you invested one by one by one by one now you'll know all of them it's almost like a fucking crossover when you get to episode six Yeah A lot of effort to get you invested but they don't treat you like an idiot make everything They're so well realized they feel like real people A really solid understanding of all the cogs turning in their psychologies I give it five stars I'm speculating out of ten? Ten half stars I'm not I'm not sure of the fact that they don't all the rest of them don't have a very clear specific ghost they see makes me think they survive but the cat makes me think they don't Speculatism when he leans into himself and starts murmuring he is like assuredly talking to the ghost of the mother oh yeah yeah yeah I think the first time he does it he's like murmuring about the hell what they all are as if he should respond to someone saying something to him I love how they react to it it is entirely how I would in real life where the first time you look around you're like okay that was weird second time you're like okay that's good and then by the third time the fucking steven being like what the hell is that what are you doing fairly just a file pool position because man looks completely insane oh yeah he does like he seems like he's just had the life drawn out of him he looks like an empty shell he does it so well he looks like he's helped yeah like the fact that he is casually just talking to a ghost that he probably knows no one else can see but he doesn't care and seems like he's fine oh yeah that's a good question actually wow episode 6 that was great that we just watched it right yeah that was awesome yeah it's good stuff like it was just a moment ago and so there's nothing for us to really discuss because we did discuss it unless any lingering thoughts about episode 6 some people may even feel it was so long ago now like 2 weeks or something I remember much but I think there was a couple of storms yeah yeah yeah is everyone rooordy no yes I am ready ah pedophile industries hey they were making a statement which means it's okay yeah they were saying pedophiles bad idiot no no speak it out bill oh no oh no man when you're doing that at half past nine in the night you got somewhere to be anyone with a loud vehicle we have a small penis smaller the car the larger the penis I drive a mosinata so I'm fine with that if you're watching this and you drive a large vehicle it is a statistical fact that you have a small penis I feel sorry for Derek who just heard that all the people who have big haunted houses very tiny very tiny micro did you say you took cream of sugar yeah I forgot I'll run grab I'm sorry about that close okay I gotta get back to my kids you know you can leave whenever you want it's just to be honest it wouldn't look so good I gotta be honest you it's a mess it's a real mess you're good at fixing things I keep hearing this about you is that right I'm not so sure anymore I will run and get you your cream of sugar no I don't need it we can talk now and get this over with sit tight it's no trouble how about this we're a grandfather that's right I don't care about their order where have you been you miss breakfast I know you're upset with him because he took Steve's money but he was only looking out for you and this if you want to lecture someone lecture Theo since she was three years old Shirley needed Shirley space this wall feels squishy no way all this came from a storm not no way I can fix it please don't be down here father mucker really dad swear I'm gonna see a face in the hole like I'm on serious business do you get it maybe rats could be what happened to the pipes I'm um I'm literally he's uh he's looking a lot better now right doesn't he I guess so you on the other hand thanks dad no it's just you look a little uh the if I make it through today alive I'm gonna have to pack this all up and find a new place to live I don't think Shirley is ever gonna talk to me again I'm sorry I should have made more of an effort with you people fuck up this doesn't have to do with Steve's money does it I'll combine these plans into one master blueprint uh drop something that represents the actual piping and then we'll find out how fucked we really are the ghosts are making everything wet what wet ghosts they're cooming everywhere oh no oh that was all the sector plus I'm coming from don't say that for the hangover makes beer and tomato juice does it work not as well as a shot of smack so you're saying the best hangover remedy is heroin by a mile I saw in the obit and I wanted to be here you thought you'd what exactly awkward there she is we're gonna make a tent over this whole area and then we'll bring the fans in the master blueprint was that right what old time step and the glad return think of her fairing on I um I was born 90 seconds before no and no she looked at me and she said you go in there and you bring my brother back always always my big sister probably ain't my place but maybe she could use a little time away from the house it's probably not your place you know my mother worked in this house I was actually born here that was alright my mom she never liked her house she'd be scattered you might say towards the end she'd wander into the woods at night barefoot I sleep out there sometimes too so yeah scattered so mom died and um I met Clara when she got hired on working for Ms. Hill we even got married on the grounds Clara got pregnant our first real real blessing Ms. Hill made it keep on working even with the baby coming so the day comes the doc comes and my little girl's still born oh I'm so sorry it was a dark time my first one and uh and Clara is a brave woman and these nightmares they had her down in a corner shaking so bad I thought she'd seize up debt she's cleaning the master bedroom up there this is before Hazel passed she's cleaning Hazel's room she has a baby client here's another rooms too and she goes looking so I came back here with her one night and that was my first little girl's cry that first cry the one she never got to never spend a minute inside after dark it worked no more crying no one acting scattered but if you find your Mrs. is acting scattered maybe a little time away would do the trick that was a good performance rod with us I'll meet you there Cheryl Jesus Cheryl today even today not everything's about you Steve need a ride one day wake up and it'll be too late stay the fuck out of my business there it is your hand told you to unplug the I want to help it's okay you've helped he has a bandage on she did raise her it was mom and Nella and stop it look at me I know all about it I write about it hell I've seen things this week but it's not real shit together you're gonna end up just like them you understand it's a sickness it's top talking like a fucking crazy person I don't want to bury you too you understand what you you're holding a fucking screwdriver to my throat no I wasn't we need to talk what I didn't know what this was it's a footprint to our house to our forever house it's not real it just snuck up on me all of a sudden you did good finish your drink say your goodbyes how do you hold on I'm here I'm okay but you don't have to feel crazy because sometimes big boys know the difference between what's real and imaginary isn't that right dad you little shits are dead good lord I'm gonna keep the children upstairs I'm here but missing since 48 the tools weren't there with them that man the scratches I guess he had second thoughts and I'm sorry I didn't listen and I'm sorry I wasn't there and it's the regret of my life why you fly safe you have to find my credit card and the caterer's gotta be paid did you tow my car in here you saw him where the hell is it my god damn wallet you saw him but you didn't want to believe it he was looking at your and then he he wanted to have a smoke he went outside about an hour ago I can fix it I can fix it I can fix it I don't know why he won't help me I am helping you twice now you say that the house killed her I know what I said your daughter Shirley says she woke you up the stairs to the the red room that door's been locked since we moved in so it was nothing it could be like that they've managed to make the opening of a door pretty like it's like oh my god what is the story telling if not mystery boxes no it was just about to say a door being a door that's cool but imagine blowing up five planets imagine opening five all the doors on five planets it's five doors it's not even a big door it's a normal sized door imagine the lasers open to the doors on all five planets there were very few spooks in that episode yeah again I'm just so much more in it for seeing everybody talk just talk talking is great but five planets though like wow the modern day stuff is really good but it's the early stuff where I'm on the edge of my seat yeah it's like what the fuck happened I gotta find out what happened that said all this stuff in motion I assume they're all gonna go back there and like either the last episode or the second last episode and I'm guessing they're all gonna die that's my guess all except the dad I don't think we're gonna get that many deaths honestly I'm basing this on the kittens that's pure like hunch I'm basing this on the fact that they found just I feel like the kittens were just like a very clear foreshadow which I certainly want to throw back like almost too clear to the point where I might almost call that on the nose yeah I mean like it's but it depends on like they find the kittens that don't have a mother one of them dies first and then the rest of them die it seems very explicit and what it's saying what if it was metaphorical death metaphorical oh like something else happens like allegorical death yeah cats give a fucking dessert I mean there's still time to blow up a few planets I do wonder if they're gonna like burn the house down in the end or something my hunch is that's what Luke's gone off to do oh yeah that makes that makes a lot of sense to me Luke might have gone off to do something as well we still don't know what happened with him and the little girl as a kid that little girl he would see any true pictures of like I assume this episode was gonna focus on that and she's barely mentioned in it quite like the opening that the cop is like super super nice but if you watch all he's doing is just hoping that Hugh doesn't call for a lawyer basically it was just standard cop move because when he goes to get his cream and churro milk or whatever he's like super threatening despite he's just like oh you see you stay right there it's like okay it's no trouble and yeah I think this episode has stuck the big ol seed in your head that the mold could in a narrative sense explain the mental illness for the family being that it would have possibly exacerbated it on a non-ghost level but obviously and that's what's causing everyone to go flumpy possibly I enjoyed an attempt to like blur the line yeah because of course they're pretty explicit in this episode I feel with that message when he's like yeah my therapist says that's how people deal with stuff but at the same time it could be real and Steven says mentally ill people see the show all the time I've seen it and it's him rationalising what he saw in episode six again that's a huge like he's never admitted to seeing it before that was like a big moment I feel where he said where he's talking to Luke and he's trying to go you know you need to get the shit sorted out I've seen it and I'm like oh yeah I think subtextually he was just talking about himself in that conversation rather than Luke he was just raging at Luke because Luke's probably the the closest to going insane now out of all of them it was pretty high up there though I think fuck is now yeah after I quite like the dad yeah I do too he's probably my favourite character in the whole thing I thought Luke was oh no yeah Luke is but he is as well well it's a really good selection to choose from there's a lot to think about with Hugh about what he says that his watch ghost or whatever that maybe tells him to say and what he chooses to reword or not say at all she often advises him to go one way and he won't she'll say stuff that he's thinking and won't say it's a really cool little dynamic she's like the smart voice in his head almost she's not saying anything last thing right is she an actual ghost pestering him with what he like actually or is it just another part of his conscious trying to tell him what to say I've taken it as projecting his better more reasonable side out into another voice all of the episodes that focus on a character I've had a separate ghost story that isn't a ghost story that's either not paranormal or it's not connected to Hill House the only paranormal one was Theo's handy hands and all of the rest of them so I assume that's his because all the ghosts are very clearly dead you can see they're dead I would have thought the ghost story for his story was Mr Dudley's whole thing with hearing the voices but that's an actual Hill House one though yeah I don't see why they couldn't be the rest of them have been like a non Hill House ghost story and I think yeah they've all had a non Hill House ghost story in their episodes I think and then we've got he's seeing the mother in his head and she's clearly different from all the other ghosts they've seen which are all very visibly dead they've got like the greyed faces and the weird eyes plus the biggest disconnect for that would be I think the ghost of the mother is at Nellie's grave drawing at Luke and trying to get him to go in and then she's right that bit back there talking to the dad and he'd be like why'd you do that yeah there's something spooky about the drawing him into the grave sort of thing it's like she seems way too cognizant to be the same as the other ghost last thing I want to say is having been to a funeral like in the past couple of days that funeral was too real yeah lots of it having similar thoughts watching it yeah just surprising how many like things are happening all at the same time and everyone's different connections are all just one person moved from one to the next and you're like oh we move away from that awkward thing oh now this oh and also if you haven't said anything you fuck it's just good I don't know what to say it's good I'm just being careful with what I say yeah we're almost there now something a bit more optimistic than everyone dies I see this either ending with everyone dies or like they blow up the fucking house like I don't see another way out of that everyone they blow up high I was gonna say why stop at one house yeah there's a whole city to blow up I could see it with like the cycle ending it's like oh it's all happened before it happened this way before and it's like they've essentially reset the house to infect the next people I honestly don't really know I see it going a lot of different ways and I still there's so much I don't know I don't know if I can make a guess honestly I just hope it's not super fucking depressing who knows allegorical hunches between like ghosts from the past and the fact that their relationships are all currently estranged and fucked do you see like a big satisfaction like punch out of the house winning those like I want to see like them begin to reconcile at least before the day is done unbripped Mr. Hill I think they've just unleashed a new ghost because they heard the clawing from behind the light meaning like his ghost was trapped in there and unbricking it I think is going to make him appear like actually in the rest of the house and I think he might be the big scary one or something dude ghosts can go through walls come on the presence of the cane in there I think he was the tall man I'm not sure though I don't think I'm not sure that maybe I guess that is a very clear indicator that he was that he like came back for the hat they found in the house just seems like a fairly natural connection yeah with the time travel stuff like with now like going back through time when she becomes a big spook first of all why the hills actually died is play a big part in it and we don't really understand that yet I feel like we may find out that they died trying you know essentially for the same reasons Mr. Hill bricked himself up that's very similar like you know and then they say he had second thoughts he was trying to scratch his way out that's almost identical to Nell like hanging herself but then realizing at the last minute that oh fuck what's happening oh my god I've just been like hung by like these ghosts and then yeah hang I'm hung yeah that's the same that's the same thing pretty much is no they're different no hanging hung to very different yeah and being bricked up and then clawing his way trying to claw his way out afterwards oh like that that screams like oh the ghosts fucking killed him in the same way wombo witness marks wombo's not real wombo's not really can't hit you that's the thing that you represent wombo then do you think they would fund a netflix original series called wombo that sounds amazingly terrible it's like the most dramatic and well realized and produced drama in our time and it's just called wombo with an exclamation point the thing like wombo is the name of like the detective no we're making music of now is how you can make every piece of media better by taking the print the main character and replacing their name with wombo first wombo the vampire slayer i'd watch it the haunting of wombo i like the these intros are meant to set the tone with just like wombo wombo wombo we've been trying for two years and four months we'll test your sperm for count and motility percentage and how far away are we from your period very often the genetic testing for the man will become sounds fair we've got a talk Steve he has quite a neat spook that one he didn't have to break the house i don't think he did me neither someone ask you what you think theodora sorry families especially twins yeah i'll go with you i got this just wait a bit we'll see if he's using the car call me if he does we're really not going to tell them what we saw i just want to help your mom's going to go to your aunt janets in a few days stay a bit maybe a week i could really use your help watching your brother and your sisters while she's away yeah i got you of course you're safe with me mom are you sure i'm fine sweetie he's not a holy family he's probably not going to instantly i'm looking for a beat up green jeep not one but two annie defranco bumper stickers and i'm looking for it where i know he used to score what's going on with you and lee how's your marriage you're kidding i wasn't right whatever you need to fix between you and lee i really hope you do i swear to god dad candy candy candy you'll be back at the hotel pretty neat continuity with the daredevil costume there he couldn't get the regular red so he goes with the black which is what daredevil has before that he's a true fan if he had the yellow one that would have been a cooler little reference ten yard shut up shoulda leave you alone he's 90 days cleaning he's your brother he's a good man they're not mutually exclusive he's my brother but he's a junkie he's my son you know i don't know what i do if i lost him any of you can't lose anyone else you know one day when you have children you'll understand that i'm never having children kids are the best thing in my life everything i did i did to protect you i know just like you protected mom you left her there alone and she threw herself off the goddamn staircase and that was your best one person that was supposed to take care of her didn't do a goddamn thing to get her help i miss her upstairs you know i think a little paint maybe fix those drawers and she might really love it i'm sure she will if you really want this to be a surprise for your mom i'd suggest you don't work on it in your room i was just coming to apologize wait not now i can explain i doubt that shouldn't you be packing i know what it looked like last he pushed me away is this supposed to make this better it wasn't even him it's about you getting out of my guest house and off my fucking property you just let me talk i don't care what you have to say do you understand ice people out you always have ice people out have you met yourself so i chose to live there to help try and keep you warm you fucking suck at apology i am a fucking doctor you're fucking slut you do not just get to shut me up did you just punch me in the boob yeah if you kiss my husband that's what you get you get punched in the fucking boob and you get evicted from my fucking house gas station 202 just east of amherst amherst is on the way yeah i know where it is you guys are gonna stay there we're gonna go to amherst it's a good enough spot for nell it's a good enough spot for luke he always wanted to do what she did his whole life i think you know you don't understand our family has a disease that's never been treated because it was easier to listen to your crazy stories about an evil house our fucking family is on the brink of a breakdown seeing things that aren't there hearing things that aren't it's not the house there's something wrong with our goddamn brains it was sick to me right out of college before you met lee i thought it was being kind i really thought that you see we're all fucking crazy just tell me what a shitty husband i was go ahead i'm just so sorry son thank you i love it mom build up some cans like five cans five cans you see what are you doing i'm driving this is my rental he's not going there to kill himself he's going to burn the house down well that's a relief he's in more danger now than he's ever been you really didn't hear a word i said yeah i did now you're gonna listen to me our family is like an unfinished meal to that house and your brother is walking right back into the most dangerous place in the world for all of us especially for you for me you are the last person that should ever step foot in that house because of what you wrote and how you wrote it and you walked by the man repairing the clock and then you saw your mother looking into the twins room staring at their empty beds i had that clock evaluated by professional before we even moved into the house you hired a slew of workers toward the end for that clock i didn't there was no man there and certainly not one in old overalls with a handlebar mustache that man wasn't there i never built you kids a tree house what Luke was in there all the time how would i even have the time to build you kids a god damn tree house maybe he was already there there was no tree house and very sorry you have to be taking all this in right now but you have to do you understand me you have to because your brother's life depends on it i'm not perfect you know i know try again i was really drunk swear to god and the lights went out well we were down there and i i was in the dark that whole night and i just needed i you know what never mind i'm trying to tell you forget i asked just we've all been dealing and we somehow managed not to try to fuck each other hey that's not what this was about i touched now's body the night before what is wrong with you you are not making excuses i'm sorry jesus christ okay i touched now because i had to know you know what happens when i touch people a part of you knows it always has and i felt nothing and it spread it spread everywhere in me this nothing until i couldn't feel anything anymore i was just this dark empty black hole i tried to mourn at the wake and i felt nothing and so i drank and i drank and nothing worked i couldn't feel anything surely and then we're in the basement and the lights go out and i can't see and i can't feel and i wonder if this is it if this is what death is just out there in the darkness just darkness and numbness and alone and i wondered if that's what she felt and that's what mom feels and it's just numb and nothing what if that's what it is for all of us and then the lights came on and there he was and i raged for him because i had to feel something i had to feel anything i didn't see him and he stopped me he stopped me he took my hands and he said no and then i saw him and then you walked in i'm so glad i did it though because it worked i felt shame and i felt grief and i felt scared so fucking scared that i was going to lose the only sister that i had left that thorough fucking shame was so much better than that horrible empty nothing i can't surely please i'm so sorry 10 out of 10 Jesus possibly my favorite speech in the whole show it's amazing that was the that was the change from the the picture of the dresser the episode is good episode where we go yeah i'm blown away by the show when you said it peaks with episode 7 i was like oh no with episode 6 sorry i was like sort of expecting okay so like i guess it'll have a few problems after that it'll go downhill he'll go downhill half so it's like it's still up there like i was just as much as like they're not all done in one take sure there's not as much like it wouldn't have taken as much to make them but i think they're still just up to the same standard you know yeah no i think they're all really highly raised i guess i was expecting it to attempt stuff that it fails to achieve what after that it's attempting less but it's still achieving everything it's going for well you know we'll see how it closes out but the reason i love that speech so much is because i still remember on my first watch through when she catches them in episode 6 i was like how could you possibly explain that what she's doing i almost felt annoyed i was like really on everything we have you're throwing this into and i was like i don't feel we've set up those two have any connection like that and so i was just what i'm saying is i was surely the whole time just like fuck you really fucking rude and then of course i have all the information i actually need already to figure out what might have been happening there especially with episode 3 being the whole touch me thing to get the feelings of nell out of her you've never touched like a dead person before i assume then i don't think so probably is a good thing to avoid yeah well if you remember when um when nell was trying to get it to touch where her husband died yeah very against it she has there's no way to how do you explain it like first of all you just explain that you have a superpower then you explain how the superpower almost backfired completely in when you touched a dead body of your sister like these are all things they're all require their own fucking it's exploitation of their own all of it is to try and get to the point where you explain why it looked like you would fucking to home wrecking yeah and every time she tries i was kissing your husband because of my superpower i promise she stopped she needs to start the story somewhere every time and every time she does it sounds awful so she's like okay so i was really drunk and it's like oh for fuck's sake you know like you already you're like you're gonna use that as an excuse like no actually it's just to set up everything it takes ages and yeah so her speech where she just lets it all out is amazing to me seeing the walls come down on top it's just this huge payoff the reason it's not my favorite of all the speeches is i prefer the more subtle ones because she's pouring her heart out in that and it's like it's good but it's like all of the emotions are like worn on her sleeve there's not much like subtext to take in on that scene i feel that's what came before is the many times she's been trying to give explanations of it but she's given up at that point which by the way i found it interesting that especially with this episode a lot of the spookytisms at this point should have been noted that they keep like turning up whenever people are arguing all the time people are having bad family tisms well it's unclear exactly what the connection might be at least for now you could probably speculate Nell specifically shouts the shit out of them when they're arguing with each other it's like because again that's a jump scare depending on how you contextualize it i'm not at all annoyed with it because it's it to me seemed like Nell was reacting to them Nell could be trying to do something like if she's still her and she's still conscious there could be so many like things she's trying to achieve with that she could just be like in pain because of their arguing she kind of get shut up re-looking at the thing again so like at first i thought obviously i imagine some of you are similar when she touched Nell's body that she had seen maybe how she died or who did it to her or a collection of nightmares things but no it was the she for the first time experienced what it's like to experience nothing experience death yeah i think that's what it was essentially impossible which is as if i could believe all of it because i had it in my mind that she like touches her and then starts screaming i didn't really like yeah she touches her and then starts to come branded i do like that yeah she touches it she slowly like her eyes widen and she falls backward into the table and then starts crying and i could believe that that's like all feelings getting taken away that just nothing like when she said the lights go off and you can't feel anything like the kind of nightmarish and she said she couldn't see him it was just a light that i don't know i just i really like it fully explains everything she did there's no problem whatsoever yeah it's almost like it was thought out from the start maybe according to what was going on inside her head but we the audience don't know yeah but five planets that's pretty impressive also this show has been doing it a lot some people make fun of it for it the many speeches characters give i hang on like everyone's words though i really don't mind i'm really i think it's great i feel almost like the show knows it can do them though so it's like piling them up like hey look at the cool thing we can do like i do get like oh okay we've got another speech because the show is really good at them well i think the idea that if you can keep somebody engaged for like five into uninterrupted minutes of somebody telling a story you've done a pretty good job and especially when the actors are doing such a good job yeah and it's just letting them perform a good chunk of time uninterrupted it's really cool i think that plays very like appropriately as well like it doesn't feel like it's going too hard to try and force another speech because it knows it's good at speeches the show i do i do kind of tired of it a little because like it's so they're all good though they're great they're all justified they have a lot to say to each other it's my crack like i can watch them forever if they're this good interesting with the the three car conversations the first one is steven just rips into the dad the second one is steven admitting that he's fucked up with his wife and the third one is the dad being like okay like i've listened to everything you said now to be serious the house is haunted i wanted to point out it was it was neat the when that part when he started talking about that he was in the driver's seat yeah yeah oh yeah that is really neat i'm wondering if next episode people are gonna start seeing luke's ghost like or if he's gonna still be alive now yeah so that was the first scene like every other scene that there's been like a jump scare and or a big spook it's been very blatant like oh this is a spooky scene you know be intense in the scene so what else i was gonna say about that i think was actually knowing that at this point it's almost getting to be formula that we listen very intently to every conversation and with the camera slowly zooming or staying on point and we're just like waiting for the climax of the conversation and then suddenly ghost goes he's like oh jesus christ because i think they do at this point that we were all set in our ways of just staring and listening to everything that's said overload of sensory information spook ghost up up up and you're like oh oh oh they're like blah it's like oh shit and it keeps happening every time she tries to explain herself it always some detail like when she said she touched mel's body and she's like what the fuck and it's like yeah well and that's that that you need to explain a lot i guess she wanted to find out you know and like the time you spend taking to explain that you're like oh this whole time i was trying to explain why it looked like your husband cheated on you fucking hell it's also wonderfully crafted so i'm just gonna do what i usually do and just shut up we got two episodes left of the um then in the house now i guess which is i'm hyped it's like it's it's it's um it's a rare feeling of getting to the end of the show and like just being like yeah it's all been leading to this i'm i'm ready for it now you know i mean obviously we can't talk about it as a whole yet but since we're not able to start you're at eight episodes in how does it rank with tv shows so far very high i haven't watched tv show this good a long time i mean it's a craft it's probably up there with like on the top level at the point it was like yeah they achieved everything they're going like everything beyond this point is just like what do you prefer most part just yeah bull's eye but the funny thing is like even if um they were to completely like imagine the worst possible like the production values go to you know fucking one out of a hundred and and the acting everything in the writing goes to shit in the last two episodes i would still be like oh those first eight though yeah like what could be like the most insulting ending for this now i don't know i think if if we open like a police station and then they go we found them all dead sad like from completely different characters perspectives people we like that's when wombo comes in detective wombo is on the case picking up all the pieces well like some other character arrives that we've not met before and just like saves them all and then they leave like thank you carlton these like i'm always here for you guys you know what's funny is that uh the hype you've got right now is like what i want back for season two again i love that experience of being invested in a story your 90 days clean morning no i mean i'm gonna be in a house down or five planets and five planets down yeah wouldn't you it's more exciting yeah i guess i wonder in the writer's room where they were like should it be four planets six planets and jd was like five five that's the way you know well of destroying six planets he'd be like well that's a bigger number yeah that let's do that but he didn't think of it that they're all looking for like a promotion like seven times he can count yeah he can't count to five he said three and then someone went well what about five and he went i'm not sure how you got there but let's do it i like the idea this one says six and he goes that's ridiculous yeah i'm gonna take a moderate position and just say five planets five yeah jj he's grinning all smug and happy with himself and they say that i can't temper myself should we should we build the audience's investment in anything on any of those five planets my first fucking video i called the i called it carcin i was under the impression carcin was blown up in those plans i didn't realize it was hosnian prime i was like okay what the fuck is hosnian prime you know it's like obviously that's where and everyone was celebrating that's like oh thank fuck they didn't drag it down with politics because that's what that is right no in the name of a planet is politics anyway want to watch the next episode no i want to have fucking sequel trilogies trash oh why do you hate women well what have they done for me lately there's women in hillhouse acting so yeah do you know that i shit punched me in the boob yeah did yeah protect your kids nithflix or a gynel series or a gynel pretty soon they won't be caught dead like this oh they'll go full thio on you you can't prevent it well you know that one she would never not even when she was little just freeze them keep them just like this forever you guys coming yeah god i'm so far i've just realized how hyped i am here uh my friend is like oh yeah right this is the second last episode of hillhouse i slept through most of it too but it gave me the strangest dreams my daughter though is terrified of them i hope she moves past that it was a car accident and one day was there the next day he wasn't and i didn't really know how to handle it didn't even cry not even at the burial my mom left me at home with my my little sister and i was sitting in the living room in my dad's recliner always made me feel so small sitting there and i felt it all finally i started bawling the day i'm just broke it had been sunny just before and it wasn't supposed to rain but but it but it got it it got violent so i cried harder the hail came harder too i've been through hail before but not like that one of the windows in my sister's broken jenet shrieking and i ran in there and and i could see it it's about this big and my mom came running in when she was she was bleeding from her scalp i remember that just from running up the driveway she got hit she grabbed me and janet and and she held on to us and we wrote it out just stopped i thought it was my fault when daddy died i made it rain abigail isn't real luke yes she is tell mom where abigail lives in the woods he'll be in my reading room if you need me see the face between mr. reading room i don't know if it's the mold or the chemicals the noise down there i just i spaced i love what you did with the room you try and try and keep them safe and you can't keep them safe forever can you the storm that i lost my little girl perfect aren't they so what if they was having a dream i mean bad ones if they was stuck in that dream you'd wake them keep them just perfect just like they is wouldn't you you're holding a fucking screwdriver to my throat no i wasn't it just snuck up on me all of a sudden but um i'll sort it out what if i dream that you kill us you send us away out into the dark and my heart breaks bright in half and i can't feel anything happy what if i'm so sad scared of the dark out there that i put poison in me i poison myself for years and years until my blood turns into poison my body breaks down and it was you that killed us because you sent us out there in the night would you wake us up from a dream like that of course mom are you okay kids are safe it's just in my head no i'm sorry but if you're worried about your children you don't let anyone tell you to relax especially someone who didn't carry those souls in their core feel them growing, stand firm between the world out there and these little souls because the world out there has teeth and it is hungry and it is stupid and it eats and eats mindlessly it doesn't care that they're innocent this house all i can tell you is that it's just as stupid as anything else and my child is not allowed to step foot on this place i'll pray for you, Olivia i appreciate that this is beautiful you did this by yourself thought i might cheer you up mommy you'd have to handle the kids i won't let anything happen to them it's not that simple it is you guys be good and take care of your poor handsome dad for me okay can i have the girl spend the night with mom like a sleepover she can have my bed it's fine sweetie he says hi no you have your hands full i can hear you bud okay just missed you all so much are you dreaming too you and steve theo too kittens need their mommy's and then they don't i'm sorry who are avagail tea party i know you've been so patient it's open you found the key we are the key i'm sorry i'm sorry thought you said mama's at aunt janet's how do you take your tea you're so beautiful the three of you you don't have to worry now sweetie at what just a moment then there'll be no more pain she's safe drink your tea he's driving them into the dark he's killing them he's killing all of them shut up and find those little bugs safe in their beds this is it oh don't be so dramatic yeah it'll be awesome all summer long i gotta get my cramp camera do you know which bag i have my camera blue bag still in the car in the summer haven't you always wanted it in the summer there are so many books in there you guys can take books for your summer reading are you coming it's all you gee thanks you guys go on without me how could we there's a mom episode the final episode is Mrs. Dudley we finally have the whole story finally get the most of us in the station he's just chilling a weird fucking house over there there was a what at the hell house so do we have the full picture of the first night now of the last night even that's the last night well not quite there's still half of it left when the dad comes back yeah yeah remember how there was three hours that he's unaccounted for and if you remember when he left the kids and then came back he was covered in blood I don't remember him being covered in blood I swear I should remember he was totally covered in blood yeah and then the clock came oh yeah it fucking was right of course Jay, Theo, Rags what did you gather from that episode what point do you think it was making there's a few that come to mind I would say it's probably that you can't be too worried about letting go of things you love oh I meant I mean yes to that but I was more so like I would say the purpose of this episode is to fully inform the mum oh all of her yeah of all that you fear to lose lots of choice dialogue throughout that episode she's seemingly more focused on the twins than the other kids in terms of having to save them well get that I'm setting this up you fuck when she sees Shirley and she's like are you dreaming too just to see if do you need saving like they do and she says you, Steve and Theo you all grew up so fast kids need their mummies and then they don't as if to imply like those three will be fine but I have to tea party the other two yeah but these two they're still on that stage yeah and there's lots of lines like just at the end there it's like having you always wanted an endless summer like infinite and eternal safety warmth, care and togetherness if if they wake up I'm re-playing the scene from the first one now where they're chased by the scene you know the scene that they recreate well they recreate a lot of scenes in this one but the first scene where she's at the door handle I want to watch that again from episode one where you see it from Steve's perspective and he looks and he sees the mum chasing him wow it's just her like but obviously it looks really weird from that one because we don't have the context like how memory works you um you don't actually remember like in video you know your memory isn't a video playback your memory is just like ideas yeah like oh god zombie question mark so when I pictured that scene in my mind I see like a full like the ring like ghost yeah because yeah you can't see her face in it because it's in shadow like when I pictured the scene in my mind I thought like I was convinced that like she had hair all the way over her face and her face was covered in like a massive like scruffy hair it's just a woman chasing them now when I look at that in retrospect because of the context in which it's presented and the fact that she's shambling like that it's like oh it's a ring ghost and like that's how I remembered it yeah yeah it's the recontextualizing so they just keep doing in this show they do different experiences one of the opening scenes is her explaining like when her father was dead how badly she took it and how alone and scared everything was right up until her family was reconnected back together like in a unit her mum came home held them both and everything went back to being safe again the whole episode just keeps pounding that's what's going on in her head she just gotta bring that family together red room's weird yeah I mean just looking at it and it's a single table of that like ghost the inside is completely covered in the fucking mold so if we're going with the idea that the mold has something or anything to do with what's going on that makes it like the heart of the place I assume it explicitly does right not only do you see the mold like around the house you also see like it formed a face in the wall and it moved there with the forever house one that goes destroyed that not explicitly doing anything it's absolutely representative of something yeah it was all underneath that vanity that Steve painted and that was the crazy ladies who was the one urging the mom to do all that stuff so I don't know how the fuck she got in there or if getting in there was easy as it appeared to be why he couldn't in the red room I mean genuinely I don't know the fact that the house at this point is all but confirmed to be some kind of entity I wouldn't be surprised if the door is open and closed at the house as well yeah that's what I was kind of working with I guess it lets people in at their whim like the fact she says we are the key makes me think that like certain people can get in certain people can't at certain times like it's all dependent on what the house wants does that mean maybe we've seen scenes in the in the red room the centres did have an ending we have they were in that episode you know what I mean like ones where they're in there not explicitly it could just be somewhere else in the manner just a thought that occurred to me I don't think so because like it is very like it's got that black mould all over the wall and it's like it's quite clear but it can the mould and shit can like change shapes but I don't think we've ever seen it move I think we've seen it grow but uh Carla Gugino I think her name is but the actress for the mum is so good she does um she does like loving, caring and warm while being completely unhinged at the same time so well it's a wonderful world we're in where like the unhinged like crazy characters even them even they are like incredibly well informed I really wouldn't be expecting that to be a focal episode for her by the way I was like I was ready for it to be this is where everyone is now back in the house yeah I think everybody was expecting it to be that but it's uh they had because a part of me was thinking that it would be you know continuing with the current stuff but then I was like man two whole episodes where they're just in the house like I don't know about that I assumed it was going to be split 50 50 so it's an episode it's like half what's half like on the first night and then that continues you know like it's like part one and part two of both the last night and the night now in the house I thought of the the spook with the the two dead kids in the future and when the kids start explaining how they could possibly die in the future it's fucking creepy yeah also the great actors the fucking dead guy in the wall of the kitchen right um well does anyone know what Jay's talking about there Theo rags I notice you calling it out but I didn't see it myself so um I get I mean that's close enough for us to just tell you I think this has been this has been happening all season I wouldn't be surprised some of them are hot but some of them let me show you one of the most blatant ones that I was like holy shit how could Eddie would miss this alright I'm ready to see that cause I was so I remember when I saw him carrying them I was like worried that the actor would hit his head on the wall and so I was staring at his head cause I'm like oh don't hit that kid's head nope didn't see that at all there's like I've been taking notes for every episode wait is there one in that first image can you use the one them in the masks oh so you can't spot the one in the masks yeah anyone else find the cop oh that's a person shit and again another reason so with re-watching loads of the shit's happening in the background and they're all still nice and subtle and there's a yeah there's like there's articles that show all of them I have time stamps for almost every background at Anakin I have time stamps for almost every episode when I was seeing the scene of like the guy in the background in the kitchen I was like I noticed him as soon as it cut to like the scene with him in it and it was like watching it I don't understand how anyone could not miss that when I asked oh did you guys see the face and no one answered I assumed like the silent reaction was just like yeah obviously shut up I'm trying to watch the thing like how could you miss that face can you see oh hello there's actually a lot of those where they're just standing in like doorways and shit they already have all those screenshots I'm so jealous I already took a few of myself I'm getting some for a website but I don't recommend you guys go searching until yeah fucking if I keep being the fucking like would you just stand and look a man sitting in the background of the shit well I have to imagine with a lot of these they were like come on how's someone not going to see this it's too obvious it's like no you're right it is that uh that gorilla thing right look count the players walk past and only half of the people ever see him that one's nice and creepy oh that's good oh yeah this one I definitely saw that one yeah so I'm down the why didn't you say nothing but like it's the focal point of what we're supposed to be looking at and he's there whereas in these other ones it's in the background or it's not at what you're you're supposed to be looking at that I thought you guys would pick up on there's a long shot of just zooming into these two while she's talking and you can just see that girl in the background it's like yeah it's really cool that they did this already planning to rewatch this sometime pretty soon but thanks for the extra incentive I know right oh it's very rewatchable super consumable this this season that's why the fact that there's a second season is like praise and critical coming in but uh it was definitely this episode that I've noticed holy fuck they need more variations of the main theme for sure yeah well yeah because it's the same one all the time and there's a couple yeah I like it super fucking hell it can't come up in every single conversation that someone has with someone else it's like it gets a little bit upset and all I think you need to do I say this is if it's easy I know it's not but get some individual themes going get ones for each character each character that is easy to like decide you know yeah it's it's obviously work but can't fill every single time you need a song with the main theme especially if they've got whoever made the main theme they seem to be knowing what they're doing so use them you can do variations yeah that too I've noticed it keeps because some hypocondas in the music in like scores and stuff but uh well maybe if you try being invested in the fucking story well what if you pretend it's what you wanted oh yeah I still don't believe that's a thing someone actually said sound strategy why didn't we think of that earlier we should have thought of that ourselves really I do think that episode is strong though I think a little bit too much of the time code is stuff we've already seen yeah there was a bit of you know a little bit of retreading repeated information they'll show like how a scene was reached from her POV and then the scene will continue oh show we've seen this we know what happens it's okay yeah anything else because I guess we'll just do the best time to talk about the show will be once we finish 10 so yeah I'm ready to progress and get this 10th one out yeah boy how exciting I'm ready alright also 70 minutes not so long I'm going to bet finally we've almost reached the power level of being a movie on its own okay so that's the house but what's the hill or a pony not a pony this isn't working it could be a pony something was moving congratulations Theo there's a pony in there it's in the game room the what room so we all have like their own oh I'd have a com room it's full of commas you walk in all the black molds everybody like oh you know when the shining when the blood falls out the elevator it's just cum I don't want to cum elevator oh yeah dad you know I was playing in the cum elevator don't be silly we don't have a cum elevator the heaven had cum elevators and houses for ages it brings up all the cum from the basement I am home I thought and stopped in wonder at the thought I was going to cook I know but she wants fries all the fries nothing but fries I always said I'd never going to do a follow up to hill house and I think this is why some houses are born bad too much it depends where are you we now luke bought the gasoline honey we're about to go inside you said yourself you're never going to publish I do though to see it to really see it it was a house without kindness not a fit place for people or for love or for hope dad it's okay come on fear is the relinquishment of logic the willing relinquishing of reasonable patterns I am home I am home maybe with the two of us Steve wait I can't say what happened after the door closed I don't remember how I got out of the house because you haven't written it yet I mean is anything real before you write it Steve the things you write about are real those people are real their feelings are real their pain is real but your life is plastic you are a plastic parasite I don't remember how you healed our marriage or made our baby because you haven't had it have you you haven't shouted out in prose she's kicking oh she's hungry will you lose your mind like your mother took the money and you ran away I never found you no I came here I have something for us one last time just to get well before we get clean I'm 90 days clean you're never clean you're thinking this is what I did with your money I mean Steve's money let's be real I put it in my arm in some alley and maybe I died there it's good I won't Steve wait I guess that's the thing about starting your own home they just never tell you it's not like buying a house not even a little I didn't sleep for two years and mine was pretty own too I've got all the makings of a mini martini in my room and one in that cap I'm gonna say good night that's not what you said though what you said let's see what kind of martini it makes you walked out of the bar crossed the lobby into the elevator and you had that martini didn't you the bills were screaming and the children were screaming and your husband just drifted out of focus didn't he it was gross you were don't lie that ring closed the deal you went upstairs with me because of the ring because the ring meant as much to me as I did and that was a calculation you got dressed and you flew home and it was like nothing happened you got away with it good wife a good person we never did it again but you never told him did you so righteous you don't want to look at it do you underneath she is a horror and we pickle it and paint it mother spanked me for throwing a rock through a greenhouse roof for the only time in my life she hit me just once it was all she could take and then never again but a simple rock through some glass taught me so much about my mother taught her too and after thinking about it very seriously I went out and did it again I don't feel anything that's okay man take it no I don't I knew a man once so we built a wall outside that silly man thought his wall would keep them out but there was just enough room for him and them his voice left him and he scratched whimpered his fingers were shredded on his own bricks until his scratches just sounded like rats and a wall and when he woke up it was tall no no no no Leo you're awake oh I've missed you so so much you big boy hat no but um we're so glad you're finally here go I'm sorry mom no don't you apologize to me it wasn't your fault never once go why does she keep saying that I don't want to be dead I but you want to be in here I think I've been here before we have everything's been out of order time I mean I thought for so long that time was like a line that our moments were laid out like dominoes our moments fall around us like rain or snow or confetti mom says that a house is like a body this room is like the heart of the house no not a heart a stomach it was your dance studio Theo it was my toy room it was a reading room from mom the game room for steve the family room for surely it's free house but it was always the red room put on different faces so that we'd be still and quiet while it digested I don't know how to do this without there's so many pieces sprinkled on your life like new snow I'm so sorry our last words were in anger they won our last I'm sorry that I didn't get through the fall so many times I'm sorry I wouldn't have changed anything I need you to know that I loved you completely and you loved me the same that's all the rest is confetti the first was young Miss Grotten she tried not to let him in he stabbed her with a corn knife that's how his crimes begin the last was baby Grotten all in his trundle bed he stole him in the short rails until that child was dead no way forgive a girl for being lonely nothing sadder than a cold bed I still had you with me no love that wasn't me that was just you and I held it so hard I didn't have arms left for the kids the monsters got through anyway they're out there and we're in here and the children are finally safe but no they're not you kept them from me you took them and you hurt them Hugh and they suffered they did they all do even if they're broken or addicted or joyless or yes even if they die we have to watch it all because we're parents it's a horror it doesn't have to be but our wedding, our smile was like a light and it was reflected in everyone's faces cars die they explode to death and if you could reach up with some great hand and pull them down just before they burst you would this is our forever house nothing bad will ever touch them ever again nothing good will either I won't let you take them away again they'll die they will die if they stay they're dying now our babies are dying then go I'll be alone again stay awake start the car deep breathing probably best you didn't say anything to them dad what did I see live? don't know I can fix it I can fix it put it down no I can fix this why are you even here our daughters snuck out of our bed tonight and we thought maybe no no no no I didn't know burn this house to the ground or else you can't carry your body back to the woods buried by the cottage in the garden that she loved we'll say nothing do you understand Hugh she barely left our house her whole life we kept her out of the world to keep her safe we're the only ones who would even have a mother in any way with the way that she truly was and we can protect that for you if you keep this house keep us on keep everyone else away don't let it take anyone else never again let it starve but leave it here so I can see her it's dangerous I don't care this is where she is now I'm her mother I won't leave her here alone I wish you would have told me some things can't be told you'll live them or you don't this is all yours now I was so lucky I've lived with ghosts since I was a kid since before I knew they were even there ghosts are guilt ghosts are secrets ghosts are regrets and failings a marriage can be haunted and I let that happen to us and I'm so sorry Lee you're scaring me to love me for the next few minutes and it might be the hardest that you've ever had to love me six years ago I went to that conference in Chicago I wish I've been a better son better brother what are you saying Steve I thought that wall kept us both safe the walls don't work walls never work that way all of that I just want to fix this fear is the relinquishment of logic the willing relinquishing of reasonable patterns we're here we're here love is the relinquishment of logic the willing relinquishing of reasonable pattern but we cannot meet it halfway silence lays steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House and those who walk there walk together wouldn't expect them that yeah so I'll just rip the band-aid off there I don't think that's a good ending I'm not satisfied with that I'm not satisfied with the fucking ending was that's my feelings more but I don't think I need to like think more on it I don't know I am not I do not feel the catharsis that I was I can agree with that there's some real like mixed messaging in this this is going to be the longest part where we talk because that's it that's the whole dick of Hill House now half of us here knew the episode 10 is where it kind of falls off a cliff unfortunately every other episode is pretty much really strong or mostly strong so something to keep in mind this is going to keep coming up as we talk about it there was originally a much darker ending tragedy complete I'm pretty sure if you go look for something like all the characters did originally die but the director when essentially creating it when filming it with doing it all was like nah it's too sad we're going to make a happy ending I don't want this like oh it's fucking sad everyone fucking dies but I didn't want like this I'm down for a happy ending in fact I think that's what it felt like I was leading up to as people like reconcile but that's not what the fuck was that I think it's absurdly happy this is a case of they've made several decisions with the goal of being like what a fun happy time we all edited on and I'm sitting like what the fuck are you talking about oh Hill House is great it's like no no we don't well so that's there's so many ways we can start talking about it this is like the two categories I was going to say was it the ending we wanted and then how well did they do the ending they wanted there's like the two ways to break it down so I don't know which one you want to go with first but let's say we all were happy with the broad strokes of the ending as in everyone lives except the dad and now of course and the mum and the thing with the dad let's just I guess we should go through mechanically what we were dealing with this whole season because world building wise I kind of think episode 10 does a terrible job of explaining to us how the fuck any of this works yeah yeah I'm left very confused by a lot of that I was hoping for a more concrete explanation of what the house is the best we can see it for an origin point was when Poppy was saying she was she was like taunting the dad while he was on the floor about how a guy came into the house and killed the whole family apparently she said yeah so is that where the original family died and became spirits and then the Hill family came after and they've got a story that I guess we'll never really know and then these guys were after them I felt like the best thing to do here you don't want to pull a dead space three and then try and explain everything and just be like oh that oh that's how oh okay yeah we don't need huge detail I want the mechanics of the house and how it works to be consistent but I don't need an explanation as to like the origins and how it got started almost as if the house is just so I'm all satisfied with the idea that the haunting start when several people were murdered on premise the house became haunted at that point yeah I'm fine with that now what does it do so it's a house that when you're in it it taunts you, fucks you up, makes you see things and makes you afraid of stuff until it then contrasts that with the red room being the thing you want and it makes you really really happy and then at your happiest and most comforted it'll kill you and that'll be it eating you turn into a ghost which it'll then use to spook future people that to me is fine unfortunately that doesn't account for a shit ton of things that just happened in episode 10 yeah because they just all get teleported into the room almost well I have a theory Steve, he just walks in there because it opens up like my theory is that what I just said is possibly what it was when it was originally constructed and written and then they changed it all at the end to be quote unquote happy and now it's just fucked everything up we should probably bring this out because this is the biggest floor of the show as far as I'm concerned because I can get over will building fuck ups, I don't even know me and Fring have talked about this before but I can't remember, well we'll just see how this goes I was comfy with the idea that the mum was dead the moment she died, there is no mother anymore she's just wrote the house using her as a puppet like her memory and everything else I way prefer that but apparently apparently that is the mum and that means that she's not only murdered Nell but she actually got the dad to kill himself by essentially holding the children hostage she's horrible yeah, but yeah, she's a bad person but the show wants to kind of treat it like oh look the family you know part of the family unit back together it's like but she's bad though dude dude she never recognized what she did was terrible she never like says that oh yeah what I did was like fuck the show of the dad returning to her and Nell knocks me up because Nell was killed on his trap there with this person who killed her yeah whatever happened does she not care about her husband anymore is he just gone forever the idea is that she wants them to be with her forever in the house as far as she's concerned she likes the husband he'll be there forever but the conversation they probably shouldn't have done it this way she's like no they live here forever happy if you want a character to believe that is true that's actually gonna work better than her realizing that's not true which is what happens in the conversation he says no nothing good will happen to them here and they'll die here and then she switches to I don't wanna be alone nothing bad will ever touch them ever again nothing good will either they'll die they will die if they stay they're dying now our babies are dying let them go I'll be alone again so it's like oh so we have dealt with her motivation being strictly that she thinks it's better for them to die here she now realizes that it's not but still I don't want to be on my own it's like what the fuck it's the weirdest like hard pivot right at the end it seems rushed did they feel like they needed more like big reveals big hard hitting like changes in perspective to really contextualize stuff is that what they were like is that what they wanted I'd have to check but like it's not hard for me to believe that Luke died in the original script considering what he does like injecting rat poison into your veins yeah I feel like you're gonna be dead well I don't know what your mound but it's not in that syringe it's probably not to kill you and if we just talk from the perspective of I guess internal consistency it didn't take much in terms of just sipping from a tea that had been poisoned with a rat poison for Abigail to kill her putting it directly into your blood seems like cheese man I will admit up until this point I had assumed that he had got some heroin injected it in and then just I assumed that the needle was heroin and he just I assumed I had assumed that he the needle was heroin and he'd eaten the fucks sake I'm watching the circles now I had assumed that the needle was heroin and he was he just eating the rat poison the rat poison does Theo not need to wear her gloves anymore for some reason right so that's another issue they're doing it's thematically on point quote-unquote but it fucks yeah it fucks with mechanically so she's like accepting and open to people now and it's like but that wasn't why she was closed off it was because it gives her a flood of feelings that she doesn't have as her own the idea that she's like yeah I'm cool with touching anyone now it's like no that's not no no no no no that's not yeah yeah if it's based on a novel I assume the novel has the original novel is very different this is unrecognizable compared to the novel I thought it was just the ending that people said was different no no all of it it's a closer adaptation to the Owen Wilson Liam Neeson film The Haunting from 2009 than this is all this has is the names Eleanor is the main character in the book and now is the name of Eleanor and the therapist is named after the main doctor in that story the story in that's completely different there's a scientist who wants to study people's sleeping patterns in a house that's presumably haunted that's the storyline for The Haunting as far as I know yeah I just want to re-write the last episode yeah same do something else I don't feel like all you can have is a bad ending like unfortunately we can have rays of sunshine but we have to be more people are gonna die fucking Luke is so dead like I don't Luke is my favourite character but yeah if you want him to live and you're gonna have to really work something else out I still want him to live don't have him in Jack Rapp please don't have him do that that parts the no no I still want it to be cyclical I still want their fate to show why it was happening in the first place like I'd want them to die and then suddenly be filled with a longing for like more people there and it then shows oh and they're now gonna trap the next people in you know and then it shows there wouldn't ever be any next people though nobody like there wouldn't be next people if all of them die there it's gonna be pretty hard to sell the mansion but you know characters all you'd get there is people just wandering in for a laugh so my biggest issue is with the mum because I think it destroys a character big issues with all the world buildings I don't think we'll go back to that in a sec the ghosts just don't make sense in terms of how they work in the season but possibly the most incompetently written part to me is the Dudley's it blows my mind that they have this kid and they do reference them throughout the season in cleverish ways one of the best ones I was gonna mention at the end was when he talks about the stillborn baby he describes it as our first born my first one nice little hints that they have a kid but I'm sorry you want me to believe that they have no public record of this child despite being that old she was home she was homeschooled home birthed and as far as the earth knows she doesn't exist that's quite convenient you really want to know and it's like do you also want to go out to the house and you know there's not just that though cause the very night that Liv decides she's gonna kill the twins or wake them up whatever she happens to sleep over for the first time the parents have never seen her before and they don't know she exists like so many things have to be completely broken in order for that thing to happen and you might be wondering like so why is it so broken cause the whole reason is to prevent Hugh from destroying the house we have to make a reason for him to allow the house to exist instead of bulldozing it like you don't even need that to stop him from destroying the house cause Luke tried to destroy the house and it didn't work just have him do that cause it's killed his wife right that's the whole thing and he thinks that anyone who goes there is gonna be potentially killed or tormented whatever so it would follow that his goal now is to literally just bulldoze the place it's a nightmare fuel place I can believe his character wants to do that but the show presents it as he wants to but the Dudley's are gonna stop him because they have leverage which by the way they watch their daughter having been poisoned to death and then like in seconds they're like hey let's make a deal it is absurd and it's rushed and it's annoying cause it's stupid yeah I don't know how I feel about the room being everybody's own thing like you'd think it'd be really difficult for you to have everybody have that room be totally different than everybody else I'm cool with the house fucking with them to make them like the opening credits right how did they physically get in and not know cause they show shots of them entering all of these rooms they're never the red door they're always like a normal door and so the people entering them think it's the normal the only like I just see it as from what Nell said about the stomach it's just that's where it's consuming them making them really happy contrasting with everything else in the house and that's where it like feeds until it's gonna kill them I guess yeah everyone's happy there we have to head canon that cause the house all we get is it's a stomach and it feeds on X and you're like what exactly it shows them they're always content in these rooms these are what they want and so it's like does it feed on that then it's like yeah but okay well then why does it just make them happy all the time why does it then kill them well that's where I was gonna say why what what is the killing part do exactly I don't I don't I feel like I feel like I'm happy worries that like there is enough to head canon there well they would be if not for multi layers so the house is like an entity then it has these ghost spirit people like the tall guy and the whatever who run around spooking people like that seems to be their only then we also have poppy and a couple of other ghosts that actually talk to you and interact if they're individual ghosts that make their own choices unless that's also the house then we also have live who's this like fully independent ghost who has her own plans if she's like the boss of the house it's the only one who doesn't look dead because reasons then we have ghosts who like are just standing around I don't know if like again I think it's really cool production wise but now narratively I'm like what's your you just watching people I guess and there's like and there's differences between the same person when they're like because there's no ghost just normal no ghost and then there's bent necklady no ghost right name that's that's another issue now like the live I mean you said it before like who was the person who destroyed the forever house in the funeral home it's like that was live that was her the big like wait so yeah she had the massive head wounds that's her too it's like why they're different versions of the same ghost and why is there like hidden now in the room you know when they're having the tea party like all these things could potentially be answered if we had something foundational to work from as in like what projects them and what what's the motivation of the thing projecting them the many shots we have of poppy being in and around live she randomly reverts to like the old spooky version but why if it is that for us because like obviously it's not for live because live doesn't even see several of them so like what what are we doing what's the goal is it just to spook us I guess and what what are the ghosts do to they just like sort of me and around and so go crazy ghost and then you've got normal goes to go back to the Dudley's I described the end of this story is actually like cringe like the the idea is they realize very quickly and very they're just okay with it that their daughter has died in the house and that she's now a perfect replica of herself but permanent in the house therefore when they are dying they have to go to the house to die so that they can be with her forever they just shoot themselves in the head like when they're in the house right now it's throwing out the complete opposite message yeah they are they are killing themselves in the house because it's such a wonderful place it's it's a little bit fucked up like the show is like oh isn't it nice that they're killing them so it's like no it's horrible and it's confusing because we spent the whole season establishing how horrible it is that the ghosts are here and what they're doing and what the house is now it's like nah you want that to happen standing around creepily kind of act everything that Hugh was trying to say to live as well about again like children, girl disappointment is a measure of a lot of ideas well it's not over yet before we talk about it the more the floodgate of mm-hmm is opened what the fucks with the bent neck lady exactly why how does it work she went back through time to look at herself to book herself to get herself to eventually become the bent neck white was she doing that was the house doing that paradox as well why was she trying to spare the shit out of herself well this is the thing was it the house making her do it or was it her she clearly has agency you know like that's the problem is it meant to be a self-fulfilling prophecy they have like a throwaway line about how time is not a line but I don't know why they fucked with time yeah like that well no if you want your universe to act in a different way you're gonna have to explain it but she has like one line to say oh it doesn't work the way you imagine it does moving on it's like whoa whoa whoa now I love the reveal in episode 5 but I don't think it makes any sense it's not the only reference like right because like the fact that I guess the dad showed Steve as a ghost everything that happened on the night when he went back is an example of I guess how the ghosts can just live in whatever timeline they want and fuck around with it I don't know yeah that's an audit but it's the whole issue of the bent neck lady creates the bent neck lady but yeah Nell shouldn't be happy to be in the house with mom the mom because the fucking worst thing about it is like I feel like the actor playing Nell was like yeah but what this is horrible though because when you watch her last scene when like the dad is going in with them she looks horrified yeah I would say what they're going for is she's crying with happiness that the dad is finally with it which to me is even more fucked up that she's like oh thank fuck I have you yeah it's this is very very complicated and we haven't gotten to the fact that like they do this happily ever after for every other character which is oh no yeah she does smile but like when he's walking up to her she looks horrified maybe she's horrified of the fact that he just killed himself I don't know everyone like instantly just sort of fixes everything that's going wrong and they're like what is the deal like hope for the horizon kind of thing so like the mom ghost was she chilling out over his shoulder was that made up in his head or was she actually well the fact that we in universe got the ghost to say to him that that wasn't me that was your head so no I didn't cast that like I said I'm fine with the idea that a bunch of people died on premise and it premises and and it made it made an angry poltergeist type situation you are else you know why why don't people who voted in other places get these oh well maybe yeah there's places where there's a mass murder this happens this is a universe where maybe there are lots of ghosts and poltergeist all around different areas you could again justify that it's not just death it's it's violent and cruel death or something as well as like other elements being involved like the dreams all the characters have where they're idealized like this is what they want and then it goes to shit and then they get woken up by now like I liked all of that yeah I liked that we got our last dose of Shirley development being that she's so hell bent on being perfect even at the expense of other people having to do things for it to get there as well as herself like she's she's just trying to build over a huge mistake she feels she's made like her limits of stress and stuff I think that's pretty cool it explains a lot about how she behaves in every way I really like the dialogue when the back and forth about how the ring wasn't a repellent it was actually the key to it because they're the same they both have as much to to keep secret I thought that was pretty good I think that helps put her like left you know with the rest of the yeah I think it was what was missing was like a core floor or a more straightforward one well yeah because everybody else is so transparent you know and I like the the the whole Luke about to join them and now is trying to stop him which is great up until she welcomes the fucking dad like Luke you can't die but dad hell yeah fuck him I suppose the argument would be like well it's too late the dad's dead already it's like yeah but it's not it doesn't work you can't have these two together also what is the I guess the son goes back and tells all his siblings so about dad yeah he's actually gonna have to why would they even believe him like oh he killed himself so that we could leave it's like what what what do you mean oh that doesn't make any that's weird writing what do you mean the whole episode is really weird having to play about all this also the Dudley the Dudley old makeup wasn't good yeah it was good I just wonder if it's shit because it was rushed because it was an idea they had late game and that the Dudley storyline wasn't this originally or something I don't know I have to wish and hope that there was a season one episode 10 script that was really good and that this is what we got because the director got a bit upset with how sad everything was what was it being sad I doubt it would have explained the mechanics of the ghost well if it was a tragic ending as in everyone who stays in the house dies and the house is considered a fucking villain I think we could head Canon most of it away the fact that the show almost treats it like what the ending is you know the dad staying in the house is good I think that's what messes it up and I think we should have committed to the mum wasn't the mum the whole time there are no people in the house it's all the house it just uses the dead as puppets I work here do the dead are conscious in there but they're like they're being put around by the house like it is them but they're not in control I'd be cool doing that too I wanted to draw in a house set them free or something but like you even have a chance for someone away like you know when you have people just like ghosts like a pairing and scary like being scary yeah you could even have the dad realises the mum ghost in the house isn't the mum because of the fact that he's had the mum around him for so long is his idealised version of her so he knows her character like in and out and he like recognises along with the family that she's not her and that everything in this house you know how it sort of wins doesn't it if we had Canon that house just manages to get in that's the problem man as I think that's one of the first things that was said when we were talking about this the house kind of wins unfortunately yeah no one was because it doesn't house wins but it's going to eventually fall down and just collapse and to ruin so what happens eventually fall down yes but then what does happen I guess the house has the power to suppress fires you know yes what's to say that bulldozing would even work yeah this house is in festive black more than it's all then it's just it's just got to go we've got to level it infested with the demons from hell we should probably just you know holy water might be it's a really disappointing ending to an amazing season I really hope the season 2 at least has a strong ending doesn't have to be as good as this season as throughout the other episodes because it's a remake of the first one but the better ending all the episodes are the same except Ted you know there's some stuff shuffled around for the new ending to make it all needs to fit together but other than that if we ignore all of the actual narrative mechanics the thing they're going for I imagine is that the ghosts represent all the pain and trauma of different relationships and a lack of communication between people and they focus heavily on like love is the good tism at the end while fear is the thing we want to avoid when we're late into family members it keeps you away from like bad things and love like brings you towards good things that's how it works that's what they're both for yeah this thing it's a very limited view of fear it's just like fear bad survival mechanism no actually it's like fear is what fear is good actually what if you like see like someone with a gun and they're pointing it at you well that was the thing they describe fear they describe both fear and love as irrational in the show which is like hang on there's loads of irrational fears I can fear a man with a gun because rationally he could kill me if he's pointing the gun at you and he hasn't shot then clearly that means he just wants to do that brand me that's how it works and the whole like walls don't protect people it's like um so that's demonstrably not fucking true why do we all live in houses come on I thought that wall kept us both safe but walls don't work that way walls never work that way I would argue he's talking about emotional walls but even still I would argue how emotional walls can be important or useful depending on the situation if you're just completely open to everything that comes in and completely open to everything that goes out like oh man what a mess of a person you're gonna end up being the whole one kitten dies and then the rest of them dies might have been what originally happened in the season finale and that's why the kittens were that way in episode 2 the best you can do without that episode having happened in this one instead is saying that that's what was envisioned by the mother or some shit she was hoping to kill them all I don't know I love the idea that it is still people who died but their motivations are in some way changed by what they feel once they're dead nine incredible episodes horrible ending but still there's so much good stuff in those first nine I mean there is a lot of good stuff episode 10 not being planned at all it's still one of my favorite tv shows of all time I just really hate that ending it bugs me I wonder if there's like a fixed ending out there someone wrote well the people have theorized like the ending is all a sham and it's all they're all in the red room and that's all the like all of them are thinking about what we saw as if that's what happened I don't like that either well no you shouldn't like it because that's fans trying to cop out that's like please let us have our tragic ending please I mean it explains a lot of the shitty writing cause it's all in the head that shot of them celebrating two years clean for Luke where they're all just really happy and together I'm just like I don't know I don't want to be quite that strong it's so corny I do it's the road to a better future I think is how you go with that like they are starting to bridges are starting to be like mended and relationships repaired not everything is now completely fine everyone is fine I don't understand how you can be like watching like an ending where oh we've killed off all the characters this is too sad I think it's a bit too much of a downer let's do and then they were all happy forever that's the right amount of adjustment this is where the confusion comes in cause it's like what if they were like oh we can't make it too happy let's have the dad die and I'm like but you sold that as a happy not a sad production elements of even the finale as well through the roof everything great the actors really well chosen slash directed and this is again why I'm excited for season 2 because we're jumping into that brand new speculation will be through the roof six brains talking about how much autism they may or may not be cynical these days I feel like Blyman will not be as good even with this finale a lofty standard even with the finale like Luke's actor is coming back and I'm like oh my god it's really hard to detach Luke from that guy right now so he better be different cause yeah the actors can surely pull it off it's just that I know them so well as these people I am not Luke I am Franklin I am Duke oh the Dudley is like I guess she's like sneaked out during the night when she was supposed to be asleep because I'm trying to think of like there had to be a good timeline for Abigail to get out for them to not notice their daughter wasn't home you know so it had to have been late they do say ah she's so good at sneaking and it's like so that means she was real throughout the season by the way and that nobody ever caught Luke hanging out with her not one single person yeah it's kinda insane like I said all of it is built in order to make it so the house was never destroyed which to me is like ah you could have done so much better than that oh I'm writing wise they felt such a strong compulsion to have the house destroyed not destroyed rather so our characters could all return to it which by the way I don't think was as good of a payoff as it could have been having them return there after all these years after everything we've seen should be pretty huge it's mainly they all go to the red room and chill and it's like I don't like that she just boosts them on the head and they wake up in the red room yeah I don't again is she her own thing is she the house with the teleported thingy they just all end up in there the first time that happens I'm like oh you just want these characters someplace that's the problem the house is filled with all kinds of different ghosts with different motivations so you're just like what's the deal here is poppy a good man now because it seems that the the hills of well not the hills the cranes have taken over the house as ghosts are they gonna make it a good house now you know in the next family move in the ghosts are like we want to spook up and eat them and the Nells like no don't do that it's mean like I don't even know why y'all did it to us like I'm kind of confused well yeah this should be a conversation all the ghosts should sit down and be like so what is all this what are we doing you guys like is it staving off your you know entry into the netherworld or something is that how this works where's the coming from do we get some of our skull back after they because the house is eating it I don't know also did you make the door to the first daughter of the dudlies are still born ghosts let's screw it up did you kill Mel's husband did I kill Mel's husband yeah that's another thing so Theo brought up when we covered the episode of first though extremely bad luck that he had an aneurysm it's like yeah that's what it was I think it would have been way better once again to make the house super evil and that's some it's tough to write that in a way that makes sense but like it killed him you know like it was trying to reach out this whole time and it finally got him the quality I gave a benefit of the doubt is like okay that's unlucky I guess but it's probably the house fucking with them yeah that's what I know obviously the bent net lady episode is way stronger when viewed on its own once you view it in conjunction with episode 10 I think it gets way weaker I almost feel like telling people to like stop after episode 9 I don't think you can even I would be like please let me see the ad even if it's bad I don't like the idea that the house just sort of kills people I feel like it really takes away from some agency characters can have where like if the house wants to kill you you're just dead I see what you mean yeah you know it's not like a you can't fight back against it in some way and I understand part of horror is helplessness but at the same time it's just like oh book you're where I want you to be oh you're dead now the thing that a lot of writers want to do with the haunted houses that it's not as simple as it wants to kill you it wants to put you in the maximum position of fear and then kill you that's usually like the cop that they try and make but this one's confusing if I'm being kind it looks as if it puts them in those dream positions and then it makes the dream positions so everything they want turn to absolute shit pushing them to their maximum fear and then striking at them to kill them as if that's the process of consuming them and up until that point it just spooks them on the mild set like throwing a big spooky toolman in your room going the explanation was that the ghosts once they die like have like an just given like an overwhelming like urge for more company and so they try to tempt people in and like but they need they need to like they need to be in the red room or they won't become ghosts or whatever the fuck so that's where it will happen and like when they reach out in any way shape or form even audio or physical it doesn't translate the same way like from their POV they're trying but from the persons it's like spooky noises and weird occurrences maybe Hatman wasn't even trying to spook anyone he just we want to create a show that gets us to justify a whole bunch of standard classic spooky scenes right that's how you do it you have a narrative that's like oh this is mechanically totally how it works and so when I was like that's just stupid it's like I don't care that's how it works and that's why it does these things and this is what it leads to it's like okay cool but this show doesn't really do that it makes me really appreciate a story where it's just like oh yeah there's just a spooky demon but it can only do these sorts of things yeah it only has this amount of power and so this is how it tries to use its limited amount of power to make spooky bad things happen and you have to find a way to beat the demon at his own game or something like that and I'm cool with it being nice and nice and simple I don't need a whole season of backstory to explain why the ghosts work the way they do but holy shit just be consistent it's so hard to understand otherwise yeah because now I think that the people you're trying to tell me are good or villainous like I said the wife is kind of ruined by the end of this she's horrifying she's a monster I do feel disappointed by the lack of involvement the hills got it's just like oh yeah there's well so when season 2 was announced everyone's theory was that it was going to be a season about the hills it was their experiences in the house prior to this family coming in and I was worried that if they fumbled that it would make this season even worse and they were like it's completely disconnected and I was like well that's good and bad it's bad that we know fuck all about the family that came here before this show is named for them you see all their graves and you know that they must be tied to this place it's just like yeah they're gone and this is the thing if someone was to argue well you know we didn't have the time maybe like we had the time there was a lot of flashback space in some of these episodes oh it should be fucking be that the ghosts they only become ghosts if like they kill themselves whatever being in the red room is how it like penetrates into your mind and then gets you to kill yourself right up until the end we don't get confident that they've died of any other means than suicide well yeah it's weird because they kind of avoid answering that question with everyone other than Luke it's like Luke's easy you can have him use basically an OD but also rat poison the others are just knocked out what is with the dad getting covered in black goo he gets like fridged and see this is where I feel like episode 10 was especially like we're a horror show we can do whatever we want yeah but that's not touching people to make a go places just like that I'm like oh you're just you just want these characters to be either out of the picture for a moment or in a place yeah which is unfortunate yeah have we even talked about the black mold I mean yeah so in universe could just be a really vicious amount of black mold coming from an unsure situation exactly or it's simply something that they all see it's not necessarily there the represents the infection of the house I don't really know of corruption in some sense seems to be hasn't just applauding the first nine episodes more I guess yeah I actually think that they are through the roof good in every aspect of filmmaking it's a shame how it ended I can see how it happened like how they made it the way that it was made it's a shame and I think most fans wanted something a bit more true to what we've seen previously not necessarily entirely tragic and bleak right you can work with it I was big hoping for because it felt to me like it was angling for the tragic but hopeful ending to clarify it sounds like we're advocating for the house to win in that scenario one of our criticisms was the house that wins it's not just that the house won in reality it's that the show doesn't really know it did the show seems unaware that the house got its meals so it's like getting his meals is now a good thing yeah and the Dudley's dying in the house the house is like woohoo more you know happy meal and then the show is like isn't that wonderful everyone wins it's like what the fuck like this results in we're dead people mm-hmm man that place is gonna get crowded everyone's killing themselves on the property it already is crowded true they didn't do anything with the fucking statue horrible what were you looking for for the statues exactly like they move the one time and then nothing else oh okay I agree I can agree with that obviously as they stand it's just arguably maybe unreliable narrative from the characters that the statues are moving and that it's a cool little effect but if we wanted to make it more meaningful which I am totally on board with yeah I'd be cool with that the statues are the house and where it's looking at them and we can put statues in many places the house reacting and being able to like stop stuff that's happened within earshot of a statue like start like let's say our characters have a conversation about something they want to try right but it's there's a statue there then the house is ready to counteract that whatever they're trying I don't know if I want to go that far because that I'd start to question like how is it the house only season here through statues rather than just the house itself yeah I'd take the statues to be representative of its capability to know what's going on inside it or just the fact that not the be all and end all I fully recommend it to everyone I would just the sad part is because you guys went through the exact same thing that I imagine most people too which is you get super high expectations for the ending and so this ending is like damn mostly entertained and then I started frowning and then I started frowning more as I thought about it. Fully enough re-experiencing this episode I was mostly fine right up until I think it's like two thirds in when things start getting explained I was like oh no yeah I think a lot of the character payoffs you know early on they still look pretty good but once it starts to talk about the actual house and how it works and everything that's where it starts to sort of crumble a bit it's so important especially in horror that if you decide if you're going to go and tip your hand like that you need to be you need to be air tight you need to be fucking ready because you're right at the end well the end is what a lot of people remember right you know yeah biggest impression Hill House it was cool I'm looking forward to season 2 and well that's it goodbye everyone oh my god goodbye goodbye hey fear oh no is it just me and the call come come hey Moodle no wow I'm so alone