 Welcome once again to the breakfast and plus TV Africa now. Let's move to off the press and look at the stories making headlines across Nigeria today I'm starting with the punch newspapers, and we'll be introducing our guests right after this. It's going to be in the screen in just a few seconds Yes, it says federal government revokes 5,793 mining Licenses in six years operators blame insecurity Revoked licenses not used operators failed to start mining says ministry official and also miners shown in mining sites because of kidnappers and insurgents as association Fier spreads in southeast as hoodlums murder Queen Lee's husband and eight others Nigeria's without an IN won't get passports or driving license as the NCC and also declared bandits terrorist Launch total war against them Senate tells Buhari We can also find here. I'm surprised some people opposed electronic voting says former president. Good luck, Jonathan And this says also southern governors should have consulted northern counterparts on 2023 That's from the governor of God on a seat L5 For the government approves 14-day paternity leave adopted children's fathers covered And also Buhari orders ex FII RODG's trial for collecting 18 year salaries with phantom certificate another bombing error kills 20 residents in Borno and Also this morning again bandits hits Niger kill 30 Katana shots phone services. Those are the ones on the punch newspapers this morning on the daily trust Senate to Buhari declare bandits as terrorists Bomb all their locations on the daily trust XDG says that decision to declare bandits as terrorists is longer overdue Police men missing as bandits of dots 27 in Tokoto community EU UK FBI others support EFCC strategic plan Jonathan asked National Assembly to adopt e transmission of resorts Recruitment into security agencies politicized that's according to Zulm Outrage over killing of a Cunilese widower seven others in Anambra L5 to southern governors. You can't get presidency by force Those are the stories we're looking at this morning on the daily trust right from the daily process to could a daily independent Senate to Buhari declare bandits terrorists wage total war Also bandits attack Niger community kill 30 FEC okay is 14-day paternity leave for civil servants Insecurity Katana shuts down telecom services bans motorcycles and also reps a Nigerian worst economic situation since 1983 Like it all gates military never fired live bulleted end-tiles protesters says a forensic expert Southeast under siege on as a cries out says killings in Anambra emo and in a go call for retrospection Outrage has gone men killed cheeky a Cunili and nine others Court bars EFCC from retrying or G ozo Kahlu those are the stories on the daily independent Lastly on the leadership newspaper hours after Senators damning verdict bandits kill 30 in mind Yeah, lawmakers want them branded terrorist same military should bomb them wherever they are Entity groups Kadoona residents as government shot down telecoms networks today Aguilo community mourns as gun men killed doctor a Cunili Labor says governors should focus on security not next election Court bars EFCC from retrying odd user Kahlu Independence Day federal government declares Friday public holiday Also, let's look at this other one on the on the leadership newspaper Workers to enjoy for 10 day paternity leave 2023 El Rufi is saying that the northern governors didn't oppose power shifts Allow a transmission of election results Jonathan tells the National Assembly law and says diaspora voting is our wish Also PIA and then PC complete CAC on cooperation now limited liability company PMB replaces NPR board nominee I think we're looking at those are four papers this morning and we can say hello to our guests public affairs analyst Mr. Izzy kill yeah, I talk good morning. Thank you for joining us The morning always a pleasure to be in your lovely station On the daily independent newspaper on the daily trust as well And we see the story here where the Senate is asking the president to declare bandits as terrorists and wage total war I don't know why this has been a subject of debate for a long time now I'm looking at the terminology and the difference between hoodlums bandits a terrorist Do you think they're one and the same and do you think the nomenclature should change from bandits to terrorists? I've said this before on this program and it Sometimes you have very hard choices to make in leadership And one of such choices is if you have an accident and your hand is bleeding You have a choice either to keep managing the bleeding till you can get it fixed Another is that the risk of managing that bleeding is that you can bleed to death But it might be easier for you if you chop off that hand so that the rest of the body can leave It's an extremely difficult choice to make But it's something you have to weigh all the options that are before you to that extent There is what you call rules of engagement When you are dealing with bandits, they are setting things you do not do if not so you go into the realm of human right abuse Okay, let's see if we can try to reconnect with mr. Ezekali. I talk there Shedding light on the issue of the Senate saying you know declare bandits as terrorists Bomb all the locations decision-long overdue What's very good if you recall we had a security experts, Mr. I was I get to a few weeks ago. I'm basically explaining the Difference between the a swap the Bokoram terrorists and the bandits He really tried to make it clear For us to see that when you're talking about your swap and Bokoram These people seem to be like in the highest class of society regarding Education qualification and their international network, but when you're looking at bandits They seem to have little to no education cannot read and write and do not even understand the fundamental tenets of Islam And simply are motivated for money But that there is a fact that the Bokoram and it's what seem to be integrating these bandits into the fold Seen that they need men to do the groundwork for them But really still not about do we qualify them as Bokoram terrorist? Well, I think I think you know, Mr. Ezekali is back But I would just you know say that I personally don't think it matters if they can speak English or they are learned with their professors What's important is the Nigerian government's stands on the security of lives and property of the Nigerian and the value of life of Nigerians doesn't matter who they are or how well-trained they are or how smart they are it shouldn't reduce the you know the Whatever Yeah, but we're gonna be having yells again, so this morning locally so we might get back into that the same I talk welcome back Yes, thank you. I don't know where you got me lost, but I was trying to say that with bandits You have what you call them a roof of engagement. They are setting things you can't engage them by if they are bandits But when they are terrorists there is an international So with bandits you can't engage them in a certain way, but terrorists you can engage them You can actually get in and really really Bomb them out. That's very important. Like I gave the analogy before now if you have your hand Cutting a certain way and really bleeding you can choose to you know manage the hand and hope they can do it Well, but they will tell you that you are better off cutting that hand so they can stop the bleeding immediately That's the same thing the choice that we have to make a very hard decision concerning these bandits That it should be called terrorists when they are called terrorists You may need to flush out, you know, wherever they are They're going to be collateral damages, but you are allowed within certain rules of engagement to engage terrorists that way So I think it's more than long overdue that these people should be designated Terrorists so that they can be engaged properly and our army are careful to work, you know the lines So when you give them that designation, they don't have the full right authority to engage them as a war Because we're actually in a war. So that's that to me One question I want to ask really is does the name matter Yes, it does. No, I'm asking because we call someone a book on terrorists They rape women they kidnap children you call someone a bandit and they do and commit all three crimes So should it matter that what their name is? Shall we not just put out the full weight of the law for all their crimes? No, it matters. You can't put out the full weight of the law on a bandit who is just like a criminal An armed robber is a criminal You can't say because armed robbers are raiding a certain place you go and bomb the place We're not talking about bombing now. Mr. Yatok, what I'm trying to say is this I'm talking of the rules of engagement Mr. Yatok, I'm coming. What I'm saying is Wait, the designation allows certain rules of engagement That's where what the point I'm trying to make If you call them bandit, you can't engage them in a certain way But if they are designated terrorists, you can engage them, you know, as in a war situation So that designation is extremely important because it allows our army to decide how to engage them Okay, so away from engagement, right? If an armed robber commits crimes such as killing a man, raping a woman And a bandit does the same and a bokeharm does the same and they're all arrested Are you saying the punishment for these crimes should be different? Because oh, no, you're an armed robber. You're a kidnap. Are you this? Should the punishment for these crimes be different because of their different brands? No, the point is how the engagement is the most important aspect Not prosecution for the crimes Yes, not the prosecution right now is how you engage them The military our military are careful to walk the lines of international conventions They are saying things they cannot do. Okay, but in a war situation You are allowed to to engage them differently and right now what we need is not how to treat them when they are caught It's how to engage them to exterminate them. It's now no longer Managing them. It is now it's gonna be a war situation and that can only be done against terrorists are not That difference is made. Thank you. All right I'm guessing well, I think I understand that get the points it's trying to make you're also not gonna send The military against bandits you would expect that there is state security The police the NS CDC and the likes who should be able to handle banditry? But I think the challenge we've also had I think the challenge we've also had is really also being able to properly identify the person responsible for these Crimes against the Nigerian state at some point. I've also felt like people really just call them bandits to reduce the severity of their crimes You know reduce the attention that the crimes were getting whereas they were committing the same things that the book armor committing But let's move away from there and also talk about things that are they are also, you know affecting This says the federal government revokes five thousand seven hundred and ninety three mining licenses in six years The operators are blaming insecurity as the reason they are not being able to utilize these Licenses, I'm sure we've spoken over time about how much we can also generate from mining Nigeria's mineral resources, which doesn't seem to be, you know Generating much so miss I talk quickly share your thoughts on the revoking of these licenses, you know, you know that that that That headline is very instructive. You mean we have as much as five thousand seven hundred almost Six thousand licenses for mining and yet this does not he's not captured in our national budget And yet that is supposed to be what is exclusive to the federal government, you know We run a country where people really take things for granted the other day We saw a state government coming to sell gold to central bank So the point is if the federal government has this number of licenses that are unoperational They are not even telling us the ones that are operational The question is please which part of the budget have we been able to capture these resources like the oil? That we deal with I need to know Miss I am talking I have to reconnect with you. Maybe via phone It's been a struggle getting a clear feedback from you to get your thoughts really about those mining licenses I'm I want us to get back to the security conversation and we're seeing this on the Daily Trust newspaper Still something we've repeatedly talked about as much as whether Bandit should be branded as tourists and it's about the politicization of recruitment, you know of you know nationals into Security agencies. This is a statement by governor Zulum. He says that It's been highly politicized the way people get into security agencies in Nigeria and that really this has been left in the hands of Jobseekers people who are simply unemployed. We've talked about this many many times and Miss I talked we'll have you back. Let's have you finish up on your thoughts regarding the mining licenses Hopefully we don't lose you this time what I was saying that if we have almost 6,000 licenses Non-operational that they want to revoke how many are Operational and please which section of the budget captures that natural resource as that of the oil because it seems like This even the banditry we are looking at in the north It seems to be a ploy because while this is going on some people have learned how to operate within the system So a lot of business is going on in that place people talk about things on white men They are still there it seems that they've learned how to operate But my main concern is how is it that these are not these are natural resources like oil That we fight over the other day we saw a governor coming to sell gold to central bank Why is this not captured in our national budget do we now have two parameters of dealing with our natural resources? It's a question. We must interrogate And still about you know the question I was I was going to There's a story on the daily trust that says bonus a governor But I got us about an asylum is a legend that the recruitment Intersecurity agencies have been politicized and that it simply gets into the hands of job seekers and the unemployed and that Those are listed 20 years ago Intersecurity agencies are performing well because they entered for the right reasons they have passion for the country passion to serve They receive the right training there was commitment and dedication and that what you see today in 2021 is a far cry From you know what we had before do you agree that this is true because he really went on to talk about Slots and how people just plug in their own people Extremist so he couldn't be more correct That's the honest truth and the fact of the matter Every profession has said in things you know when I was in secondary school I want to have attended a school where you have guardian counseling officers who would come and tell you about the different professions So you got into nursing because you had that human sympathy Imagine somebody who cannot stand the sight of blood being a doctor You know now there's some people if you listen abroad literature and say I want to be a firefighter I want to be a this I want to be a broadcaster. They've been watching you some ladies young girls have been watching They have that passion they build over time So when they get into the profession they get into the profession with that passion, you know So it's not about money is not about fame some things are just about you know That what my friend called psychic satisfaction that drives them and that drive brings about excellence It brings about extra commitment. It brings about the sort of results in the sector Some people want to be in the army because they understand what it is But today why do people want to be in the custom? Why do they want to be in the police also can stand on the road and collect money They look at professions have become no monetized and not the essence The essence has become distorted has been worked has become blurred has become almost irrelevant as a result We're starting to have people in professions who are not there for the essence of the profession, you know Now in terms of security you must have passion and patriotism love for country love for state You want to make sure that peace is maintained? You want to be an upright person yourself? People need to profile you what your life has been like But today as soon as one of my friends got a very big appointment and when I was telling him about somebody could help me Said my guy, you know when you come in there There's a slot to they give you his slot that he had already given the letters They people have not been able to start to work And so it's actually slot business. It's actually slot business one of my friends again in another very big company Says that my guy they have not stopped employing. Oh, but every day new people are coming in every day New people are coming in and yet. There's not supposed to be so Nigeria employment The government is about who you know, I thought about merit as absolutely nothing to do with merit and with that How can we have a system that works? Imagine me wanting to employ architect in my in my in my firm, and then you send me names No, no, I'm not gonna take I'm gonna interview you and find out what you know Which areas that you work with, you know, and I'm not gonna have an architect Work as an electrical engineer or an electrical engineer work as a point of order. You're not gonna work You're gonna have to be in the right place with the right competencies and capacities That's why I have a wrong the company that runs because the right people are doing the right jobs But in government today, all you need is no senator. No this no that and he's wrong. We need to stop that All right, let's move over. Well, sadly back to security discussions and go to the southeast. Well, and there's a Says that the southeast is on the siege and of course, I would like you to speak on the death of Dr. Chike Akunili Which of course I'm broke yesterday Yes, I First my heart goes out to the man many people have died But I can't tell you that the man had a wife that was loved by Nigeria and loved on account of her Passion for this country on account of which she took great risks And these people have not forgiven her till today for the things she did and I do not know if Nigeria as a nation has released, you know, been able to Honor her enough to inspire others to know that when you lay down your life for this country This country remember you I hope she does not become a metaphor for a country that does not Appreciate and people say oh boy relax. Oh, remember That's all she died. That's all she don't go. Do you understand? So if to make a statement that Yes, you have been killed as the kill so many people But you are not just one people one person they killed you are the husband of a woman that this country holds there and for her state We want to leave no stone unturned to make sure that we get to the root of the matter Just to inspire Nigerians to know that animation that look you give your life for this country This country will go on out in your defense. So for me within that content I'm on his loss But I think that it's a great opportunity for Nigerians to make a step to use a sledgehammer to kill a fly to say that woman Never again no more So what do you have to say it really about the fact that it seems that you know We're getting segmented the South East is on the siege and the IPOB have said that his death was orchestrated by people who poisoned his wife And it has to do with the Anambra state elections You see all those things for me The indigrams of conjecture whatever is the reason let the please get in get the work done Let them do it with a setting Intent of animating the fact that this woman gave a life for this country and on account of her several lives We're safe because fake drugs. I don't know if we forget so soon. They said the memory of man is treacherous fake drugs was killing this country ravaging this country almost worse than a Boko Haraman the rest because you have you know Antibiotics, you know, we want to take not knowing that you're taking powder And imagine you get worse. So it was terrible It was like you buying death with your own money, but she fought it with her life And she literally fought it with her life So for me, she is one woman that at this country should use a sledgehammer to kill a fly Just to make a statement that she did not die in vain And I hope we'll have something to say about this electronic transmission of results before we leave Yes, exactly where we're going to be honest Former president Jonathan is telling the National Assembly we see that on a leadership newspaper that they should allow a transmission of results and I think Also on another paper the way it puts is that he's asking them to adopt it and that he would not understand You know the opposition to each transmission of results You think Jonathan might have any leverage, you know to influence the National Assembly, you know to make them Agree for the e-transmission of results electronic voting and all of that Former president Jonathan is the most authentic voice to make that statement Because he was one Nigerian that was willing to take the risk And he paid like my sister Dora Akrili that I just said he paid dearly for it and he has no regret whatsoever Because he believes that the greater good of this country is higher than his personal gain And that is a statement that is very rare. So for him to lend his voice He is in my mind the most authentic voice to to to be made the second Which should really be the first was the beneficiary of that, you know a electoral electoral process that is clean And as mr. President While he was a sacrificial lamb, mr. President was a beneficiary And he's not going for a third term. I expect that mr. President just like he Be the the he would realize that being a minister of petroleum is nothing Close to being the champion of credible election because the country runs based on people they choose And if you right choose the right people, we have the right country. So electronic transmission of results should be What mr. President champions and animate and I'm happy that leaders of conscience Like I've said that and from what I've seen plus TV Africa is one of the people that tomorrow being the first of october There is a national Converge on on electronic transmission of results and the least I've seen is almost unbelievable And I think it's going to run on several stations. I believe that um plus tv will be there directly or indirectly So this a time has come. I think um president former president Jonathan has shot the first salvo But by tomorrow The the list is almost if you check the social media, I'm sure it's going to go viral everywhere They've decided to come and say this is not about inyx saying we want. This is about Nigeria saying we want Nigerians across party lines across ethnic lines Everybody is coming to make a national statement tomorrow on our national televisions and media that we want electronic transmission of results And that the national assembly should not see this as a call from a sitting quarter But they call from nigeria and I think the worst thing they can do is to ignore if nigerians form a consensus on an issue all right and um well Once again back to talking security challenges And of course seeming like knee-jerk reactions To the insecurity challenges in Kadena state It's reported that the government has shut down telecom services and banned motorcycles It's also reported in nigeria state that 30 lives were lost yesterday To of course or once again banditry In the community So quickly share your thoughts On these numbers dozens and dozens and dozens of nigerians Who would not get to see october 1st And of course it moves by the kaduna state government To of course address these issues I am governor l rufi is somebody I have a lot of respect for because he is cerebrum But Just like every human being we have a blind spot. I what goes on in southern kaduna. I do not know Why he cannot move his his his seat of power To southern kaduna and say this must not happen And there's this all this animation where you say, okay, because it does not happen to your people southern kaduna is predominantly christians and things like that and then he is this and that I think that Leadership means ownership of your constituency Whatever is your constituency you forget your tribe You forget your gender you forget your party you become the leader of all the people So if they are finally taking decisions hard decisions because shutting down telecoms is a hard decision It affects everybody If the surprise that they have to pay for them to allow people to live in southern kaduna And probably the rest of kaduna generally I think it's a welcome idea And like I said, please we must be willing to make sacrifices and there's going to be collateral damages But it is better for us to chop off an arm so that we can live Then allow that arm to continue to bleed until we die We have a case that is between the rock and the hard place and whichever decision that we take is got to have some Consequences some of them are going to be very very unpalatable We will have to lose some innocent people But these people need to be smoked out need to be fished out They need to be to be to be exterminated. They need to be exterminated Okay, um, we've been talking about this situation where it seems that there's a misfiring technical glitch, you know failure In coordinates, whatever it is But what we see and what we've seen over time since as far back as 2017 that I remember Is a Nigerian fighter jet opening fire on civilian Population and then killing them we've seen the one that happened in run in 2017 We saw the one that happened a few weeks ago in your base states. We saw the one that happened Yes We saw the news yesterday, but it was something that happened on sunday And we're seeing another one here on the punch newspaper that says Another bombing error kills 20 residents in bonus state Is that seeming to be a pattern here? Because the army released releases statement saying oh, that was a that was a mistake We're going to look into it and then just a few days again We say another story of a bombing error killing residents in the north It's it's um, it's something that I've had sleepless nights over Technology is very straightforward and it must be handled by the competent And the asset in technology is that I don't get into because I have not got the competency If you want to be on a zoom, there are protocols outside of which you will not get it right You will not get connectivity As the world goes really digital and technology advanced Do we have the demand power adequately trained for those protocols You can keep telling me about technical error Once in a while I can understand, but it's been not just one, but so many too many And I think that the Nigerian army and you know when they say we're looking into it They are giving us this animation that we're looking into it. It's just a general answer as well. Let's move on. It has happened. It has happened It shouldn't be so so I think that the Nigerian army should really really look at the technologies we are deploying Look at the the the competencies to that technology And if they need to hire Competencies until they adequately train our people into it It's just flying an aircraft and plotting the coordinates It's you don't need you don't need you don't need 10 people. We don't need 20 people You just need an expert 18 If we need to hire that team in for now except for a case of sabotage If there is no sabotage because you can rule that out Then let us hire the competencies until our people are trained enough While we are hiring instead our own people and give a timeline maybe six months maybe one year So that by the time they come in they can use like this to kind of jet that they are doing really While we were waiting for them to come where we're sending people for the training Are the people that we send for training the ones that are back here or are we managing? Don't worry. I'll manage some things you don't manage some things are so sensitive That they can take a life and a one life is bad enough for there to be to be major mayhem in a country America sent the whole of american troops to america to nigeria to rescue one life So we need to be careful and know that human lives matter in this country Um, well now that you brought in america, i'm gonna you know continue from there. Um, I shared it I spoke about this yesterday We're in afghanistan The u.s. Air force Or an on-man aircraft, you know by the four the u.s. Air force had uh, of course it mean error killed you know in afghanistan Man with three of his kids. Uh, they had mistaken His roots that day, you know for someone who was doing work for isis, you know But of course when there was investigation It really was him fetching water from his office and taking it back home And you know, there was some communication that was also misunderstood There was a full-scale investigation after the washington post, you know carried out their on-ground work The united states president and of course a spokesperson the white house spokesperson, you know spoke, you know concerning this They admitted to error There's talk about compensation. I don't know if they will go ahead and compensate the families of the afghanistan You know that person who was killed citizen was killed Not long ago also there was a video clips of Haitian Immigrants who were trying to cross the border into the united states the video clip showed us border agents on horses You know using whips or reins for the horses and you know, it just was a very very bad Look for those border agents the united states president joe biden and kamala harris spoke concerning it. They were questioned They spoke about it. They also addressed the public White house spokesperson also, you know mentioned that there would be investigation And whoever is meant to be punished will be punished to ensure that that never repeats itself And that's not the way that you treat people who are seeking a better life in the united states In nigeria 150 people were killed reportedly in rand in 2017 in barrio state in ube And I think back again in barrio state We've heard of you know closer what 70 or 80 people now who have lost their lives in three different misfires by the nigerian air force There's not a word from president mama debori or the vice president. Yeah, mr. Banjo Um, as okay, uh, yeah, I talk I'm sure you know where my question is Very well very well you see We really honestly don't know what governance is in this country even to really put it where it is We have mistaken politics for governance Politics is the roots is like the engineer That fixes the aircraft and makes it available Once the aircraft is ready the pilot Comes to pilot that aircraft Okay Now our president unfortunately Does not seem to understand that He is given a role to play In the larger interests of the people and not that he is rewarded A political office is not a reward. It's a call to service And I think I hope I'm wrong that the president sees himself as a man that Nigerians should be grateful to a man that That that Nigerians is like an emperor. He's like an owner of the estate that like the owner of the company And not the ceo that has a board that he reports to and that if that board is not doing well He can be fired Unfortunately, the first board is the national assembly and the national assembly have said we are his boys He is our boss Whatever he says that we will have and that does not help mr president because I said it before and I say it again There's my mother used to say that A toy in a denier and back is you are looking boy What that simply means that the child has nothing to fear never amounts to anything in life You've got to say what will Nigerians think what will the national assembly do you've got to have that that That guardian fear if I use that word, you know advisedly and if you don't have it Then you you you are you are not just reckless you you do anything anyhow Why would so many people be killed so many times and mr president will not address the nation Will not show himself as a father of the nation will not feel the pains of the people Will not go out of his way to ensure that this can't happen again This is one too many and I will do whatever it takes. I use that expression probably with the last time today I'll use a sledgehammer to kill a fly to let people know that this can't happen There was a story in the bible where a king was going to meet his brother somewhere And then this is his lieutenants told him that some we have to rush we have to hurry and he told them no You guys can go in my camp. I have children and pregnant women if I overdrive them. I might lose some Now that's the heart of a leader He what is going to achieve is not as important as making sure that these people are covered are comfortable are fine Are Nigerians fine? Are Nigerians okay? The greatest chapter in our constitution that I can never quote enough chapter 2 section 14 subsection 2 b says the security and welfare of the people Shall be the primary purpose of government is my security my welfare as a nobody The primary concern of mr president or our governors I think that Nigerians should wake up to this issue of leadership recruitment and understand what government is Government is not their estate. It's not their enterprise. It's not their property. It is our My governor has a private jet. He lives in a 50 billion naira mansion. He has a retinue of eight We want him so comfortable that he works for us We're not rewarding him for winning election. No, we are making him Very comfortable so he can sit and work for us There's going to be a reward for that level. Look at our president He falls ill we let him go abroad to get treatment. We don't care what he cost us We don't care that we don't even have the healthcare. We're saying just get well be fine He has private jets not one not two to the best of my knowledge We say no problem so that your movements are not hindered. We allow him these things So that he can serve us That's what it is. It's not a reward. It's not a gift. No, we want him so you've got to be well You've got to be comfortable. You've got to be in the best state that is possible Whatever it needs to give you give it to you so that you can serve us effectively and efficiently But they turn around And our welfare no longer matters Not okay All right We're looking forward to having more discussions really about the state of our nation Where we're coming from and where we're headed tomorrow being friday a public holiday in the first of october mac in nigeria 61st independent anniversary Thank you very much for your analysis sofa public affairs analyst mr. Ezekiel. Hey, I talk. Have a great day