 Peace be upon you all, and welcome to tonight's live show on Imam Hussein TV. Inspirational women, why is it that so often and almost always we continue talking about men, Noah, Adam, Jacob, the holy prophet, Amir al-Mu'mineen, Imam Hassan, Imam Hussein Islam? Surely we have neglected speaking about women. Last week we spoke about Fatima al-Zaynab as-Salaam. We've also touched on Khadija as-Salaam, and also we previously mentioned Sayyid al-Zaynab as-Salaam. But also there are other figures, another figure that we should all also talk about. In sheer circles she is known, but to millions across the globe she is still unheard of. She is of course Umul Bani as-Salaam. Often women have done, we have done injustice to women. We do not speak to them. Many non-Muslims also speak about retreating Muslim women unfairly and that there is injustice towards them. Let's look at this topic in detail tonight. With me we have Dr. Sayyid al-Mu'mineen, As-Salaamu Alaikum, Dr. Sayyid al-Mu'mineen, As-Salaam, Privilege once again to have you on. Thank you, it's my pleasure to be here. This great, great lady, Umul Bani, As-Salaamu Alaikum, so rarely we speak about her apart from the Shahadat as it were. So we'll continue as it were talking about inspiration women, but first of all say now, why should we study this great lady's life? There are immense lessons to be learned from this great lady and lessons which are all applicable into our lives today. There is an emotional attachment to the lady, as you can see around the world, many have a great love for Umul Bani, but there are certain aspects of her life which are easily applicable as lessons for our life today. There are wives out there who can relate to Umul Bani and if they study her biography. There are mothers out there who can relate to Umul Bani and if they study her biography. If you want to know the meaning of sacrifice and the meaning of patience, and above all else, the meaning of absolute loyalty to the message of the religion of Islam and the family of the Prophet, peace be upon them, nobody exemplified this like Umul Bani. Okay. Because in the 60 years that she lived on this earth, the love that she showed towards the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt is a lesson for all of us, that many of us who face difficulties in our life today, there is a lesson for all of us in terms of how to hold on to our beliefs, how to maintain a relationship with the family of the Prophet, peace be upon them, but I think also at the same time there is a wonderful lesson for many in the world today who have struggled having lost their children or lost their families because of war or other difficult moments. Because when you're looking around the world today you see that there are many situations where there are people who've lost family members and many find it difficult to recover. Those mothers who've lost sons find it difficult to recover and so what you find as well in studying her life is the personality who went through absolutely everything. She was a mother, she was a wife, she was a widow, a mother who's lost sons, a mother who's lost family and so many aspects of her life are lessons which I think we can definitely apply to us. Right. Okay. Okay. Thank you for that introduction. If I can just start off talking about this notable figure when was she born and you know what was happening in the Muslim community at that in that period as it were? Yeah, she was born according to my research in the fourth year after Hijra. Right. The Holy Prophet, peace be upon him and his family at that stage had migrated to Medina from Mecca. Okay. And as we know the calendar when we're saying after Hijra is on the basis of that migration and what you're having is this community that's being established in Medina. Right. And there are members of tribes either from Mecca or outside of Mecca who are slowly beginning to learn about the message of the religion of Islam by coming to Medina to come and visit the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him and his family. Now for woman at the time he begun to establish this reform process which he had started in Mecca. Okay. In Mecca you already had the call to speak out for the rights of woman when it came to, for example, the babies that were being buried alive, the female babies. Yes. When it came to inheritance, when it came to rights in marriage as well. Right. And so what you have at that time by the fourth year after Hijra until about the ninth year after Hijra, many prominent Arab tribes are converting towards the religion of Islam. Okay. So even some of the most ardent, polytheist tribes, the ones who were steeped in Jahlia, were now coming towards the religion. You know, you find the likes of, for example, Thaqif were affected by the call of someone like Aruwa bin Mas'ud, the great-grandfather of Ali Al-Aqbar and others who were slowly coming towards the religion such as Benny Mostalaq who previously were enemies. Right. So but I would say by the time that she is five years of age, a number of different delegations have come to Medina, visited the Prophet and have become enamored by him. Okay. Her tribe was also a prominent tribe because as we know her name is Fatima Al-Kilabiya. Okay. And the Kelabis were a prominent tribe in Arabian circles. And that is where the link comes between Umm al-Baneen and Shimmer bin Al-Jawshan. Right. Because you know that many times in the Majalists, you hear there is a relationship between Ab al-Fadl al-Abbas and Shimmer. And he offers this sanctuary for the brothers. If I'm not missing a great uncle, as it were. Well, no, you know, I think too many people think the relationship is much closer. It's not that close. Okay. You're going back ancestors. Maternal. Yeah, there is a relationship somewhere because of Ben al-Kilab. Right. So the Kelabi is many of them start coming towards the religion of Islam. And they are a tribe who are renowned for their warriors and so on. So in her early days, Islam is being established. It's the land of Medina. The Holy Prophet, peace be upon his family, is now ensuring that this nascent Muslim community is a community where everybody is living by the principles of the religion as much as they can. Okay. Okay. So you've spoken about the tribes, as it were, and her notable tribal name, as it were. And also her real name being Fatima, as it were. So her father names her Fatima. Was this a common name in Arabia at that time? Yeah, I think Fatima was a common name in Arabia. Right. If you look, for example, if I was to ask you, for example, let's let's turn the table here. If I was to ask you, name me a Fatima who was living at the same time as Omar Benin. The obvious one would of course be who? Fatima. Fatima Zahra. Name me another Fatima who was a prominent lady in Islamic history, mother of one of the greatest personalities in the history of Islam. Who would that be? Another Fatima. Imam Ali's mother. Yes, Fatima Ben-Ezad. Of course. Yes. So you've got Fatima Zahra who's alive at the time. Fatima Ben-Ezad is another Fatima. Then you've got the Holy Prophet, peace be upon his family, has a cousin by the name of Fatima. And I think on the night of Hijra, if I'm not mistaken, Imam Ali, peace be upon him, when he sleeps in the bed of the Prophet on the night of Hijra, he's asked by the Holy Prophet to ensure that the Fawatim are bought safely to Medina from Mecca. Yes. So it went to highlight to you that it wasn't just one being called Fatima. Fatima Ben-Ezad, Fatima Zahra, Fatima Zahra the daughter of Salem, if I'm not mistaken. Fatima, if I'm not mistaken as well, Omar Ben Khattab had a sister by the name of Fatima. So here you have another example, and then you've got Fatima the daughter of Hisama al-Kilramient. Okay. So all of this highlighted. Fatima was a common name at that time. Okay, okay, okay. Thank you. So, when Fatima Zahra, peace be upon him, dies. We find that there's a huge gap, as it were, in the life of Amir-e-Malini and Ali-e-Bind Ali, and what exactly happens? What does he do in terms of marriage, as it were, going forward? It's very difficult, and I think that's why Ahlul Bayt, their lives, many of us can relate to. And when I say that, I mean every aspect of their life is something that anyone can relate to wherever you're living in the world. There may be, for example, a father who's watching this program who lost his wife because of, let's say, cancer. And his wife, for example, and him, they had between them four kids. Who can that person relate to? And one of the people you can relate to is Imam Ali-e-Salam. Imam Ali-e-Salam, when Fatima al-Zahra, Ali-e-Salam passes away, he's the father of a few orphans. And these orphans are older than eight. I've heard many people always say this line that how can we relate to Ahlul Bayt, Alaykum As-Salam? They lived at one time, we live in another. Ahlul Bayt, the trials they went through, are trials which we can relate to. You know, when you lose your wife, it's not easy. No, no. You can't tell her, I say, Imam Ali, well, he's Imam Ali, so he's not going to be affected. You see from the sadness, you know, a flower came from heaven, went to heaven, left its fragrance in my mind. He loved Fatima al-Zahra. But when Fatima al-Zahra, Alaykum As-Salam, died, then Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, wanted to get married. And she had requested him to get married. I see. Before she died, she requested. She had a niece by the name of her mama. And she said, I want you to marry my niece. A niece is very close. And you know, many say that this niece was possibly a step-niece, one of the step-sisters of Fatima, her daughter. Irrespective, Fatima al-Zahra, Alaykum As-Salam, she wants Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, to marry her niece. So he marries her. Okay. Then Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, marries Asma bint Umays. Right. Asma bint Umays originally was married to Ja'far al-Tayyar, the brother of Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, who, inshallah, soon we're going to have a show on Ja'far al-Tayyar. Now, Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam's brother Ja'far died in the battle of Mu'ta. Yes. A couple of years before the Prophet, PSB, opponents family died. When Ja'far died, Asma bint Umays married Abu Bakr. Okay. And she had a son from Abu Bakr by the name of Muhammad, who later on would be amongst the closest companions of Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam. Yes, he adopted me if I'm not mistaken. Muhammad and Asma. Asma remains alive, married to Abu Bakr until Abu Bakr passes away a few years into his caliphate. Right. Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, marries Asma. Asma, as you know, was very close to Fatima al-Zahra, Alaykum As-Salam. So Imam Ali marries Asma. And then after Asma, you have another marriage, which has to be mentioned. And that is the marriage to Khawla bint Ja'far. Right. Khawla bint Ja'far gave him the son by the name of Muhammad ibn Hanafiyah. Okay. Okay. So Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, is married Amma. He's married Asma. He's married Khawla. And then after these, he marries Fatima, the daughter of Huzam al-Kilabiya. Okay. And this Fatima, no doubt the way he marries her, his brother, Aqil, deserves a lot of credit. Right. Yes. Okay. Okay. So you mentioned Aqil now. So just in terms of Aqil and his brother, and the link now as it were. So the voice of human justice, I mean, Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, what exactly was he seeking in this marriage? It's interesting. Because he's had notable figures that he's married before. And, you know, this is his fourth marriage, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Well, historians differ on the exact order. But, but definitely you're right. What's he looking for? I think the first thing that's interesting about this is why does Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, have to ask Aqil? Yeah. Because, you know, in Shi'a belief, Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, is this person who Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, may inspire with knowledge of that which is not known, knowledge of the unseen. He is the gate to the city of knowledge, which is the holy prophet peace be upon his family. Yes. So why would Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, ask Aqil? Is it because he was older? One angle, one may argue out of respect, that's his elder brother, because Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, had three elder brothers, Talib, Aqil, and Jafar. Right. So what may argue, one angle is that he wanted to ask the advice of his elder brother. But the reality of the whole story is that Aqil was a person renowned for his knowledge of genealogies. SubhanAllah. The Arabs used to pride themselves on who used to know the Naseb and the Ansab. Okay. Okay. And until today, many of us will say, you know, what's your Naseb? Where are you from? Right. Which Sadat? Are you from which group? Are you from which city? Are you from which village? Are you from some people will not marry except if they know, you know, the Naseb and the Hassab and the back and the forth. And I think that's exactly what happens in this particular incident, because Imam Ali, Alaykum As-Salam, knows that his brother Aqil is a master of genealogy. Right. There is maybe a geographical story where they say that Aqil, one day, Muawiyah made a big dinner and a, you know, quite lavish event, feast for Aqil. Okay. Now, how Aqil got to Syria, was Aqil blind? How old was he? I leave this for another discussion where we look at the sources. Yeah. But let's just go with the story that Aqil and Muawiyah supposedly are having this discussion. And Muawiyah knows very well that Aqil is not just the brother of Imam Ali, but Aqil is a master of the Naseb, master of the genealogies. So really, his fame was well known? Well, not just in a family. Yeah, it was well known. And so what happens is that Muawiyah asks Aqil. There are a number of people who are sitting around and Muawiyah asks Aqil, you're the master of the Naseb. Tell me about Amr ibn al-Aas's Naseb. What's the family tree of Amr ibn al-Aas? And Aqil made it clear that if you want to know about the genealogy of Amr ibn al-Aas, six different people claimed they were his father. Clearly, in the days of Jahlia, Amr ibn al-Aas had a job where many men were welcome on an hourly basis. And then, of course, I always I always mention that Yes. Shana is your most severe enemy, someone who has amount of hate for you. Abtar is when you have no continuation of your line. If an animal's tail was cut off, they'd call the Abtar. Al-Aas ibn Wa'il used to be the one who used to make fun of the Prophet when his baby son dies saying that your line is cut off. The Qur'an said, no, no, no. Your most severe enemy, his line is the one that is cut. Meaning that Al-Aas was not the real dad of Amr. So when Aqil therefore said that six different people claimed they were the father, Muawiyah then asked, well, how did you find out who the father was? And they said, well, six different names, we picked a name out, whichever name was shown on the paper. We said that that's his name. So he was called Amr ibn Al-Aas. Now then Muawiyah says, how about my family tree? Yeah. And the reply comes that if you want to ask about your family tree, go ask Arabia what your grandma's job was, then you'll know your family tree. Now Muawiyah is not someone who just takes something like that lightly because Aqil just ripped his grandma. He's made it clear to him that, you know what, your grandma had a particular profession, you could find out what your nasab is from Muawiyah turned around to Aqil and he said to him, he said, Aqil, how's your uncle Abu Lahab? Is he still burning in hell? Because of course, Aqil's dad is Abu Talib. Who's Abu Talib's brother? Abu Lahab. Of course. Muawiyah got Aqil back but then Aqil replied to him, he's in hell next to your auntie because who was Abu Lahab's wife? Abu Sufyan's sister. Muawiyah's aunt. So what you have here is this interesting confrontation that occurs but the main discussion in this whole confrontation is that Aqil is a master of the genealogy, okay? He's gifted. So Imam Ali, when wanted to get married, Aqil used to lay out a small mat in the mosque of the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, his family in Madina and people would come and see Aqil and they'd ask him questions about genealogies and so Imam Ali, peace be upon him, comes and asks his brother. I want you to find me, a lady, from whose line there are the most brave and valiant of warriors. That's the criteria. Now, does that mean that Imam Ali is not looking for Aqlaq? Imam Ali is not for the... No, that's a given. When Imam Ali, peace be upon him, tells you, I want to marry somebody, you don't then turn around and say, but you mentioned bravery, you didn't mention religion. No, you know that Imam Ali, peace be upon him, religion, Aqlaq is our fundamental. But the Imam Ali, peace be upon him, said, I want a special trait. Okay. Find me a lady whose dads, dads, dads, dads are ferocious warriors. That if I'm going to have sons from this lady, these sons are going to be full of valour, full of bravery, but with a real, and this is the fundamental word, chivalry. Right. In Arabic, we talk of futuwa. Okay. La fatah illa Ali, wa la saifun illa, futuwa is not, you know, sometimes people translate this as there is no youth but Ali. That's right, in English. And that there is no sword but no, there is no chivalrous. Right. It's the weakness of English and the translation. Chivalry, a composite of virtues found in one personality from their teens, possibly till the age of 40. Just forgiving, generous, brave. This is what we're looking for. Okay. And this is, this is this futuwa existed in many of the many different schools in Islam would talk of futuwa. Some would learn swordsman skills. Some would learn ancient martial arts and samurai skills, but while maintaining a discipline of food and patience and so on, it's as if that chivalry, that futuwa is what many want to come back. And I'll give you an example of what futuwa could mean in today's society. Yeah, sure. You're on a bus, you're sitting and there's a lady standing. Futuwa is when a person says, please you sit down, I'll stand up. Okay. You're about to enter a restaurant and your missus is with you. Some will just open the door, go straight and some will say, no, ladies first. That's chivalry. Chivalry is not just a person who's skilled with the sword. Okay. But rather chivalry is also somebody who at times their heart is soft. At times they are swordsman-like. At times they are noble, generous. They're altruistic, all in one personality. Right. And so Imam Ali alaihi salam asks Aqeel. Aqeel tells him I'll get back to you in a month. Okay. Or give me a month. Right. You give me a month and I'm going to get back to you. Now it's interesting the connotations regarding matchmaking today. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I believe that in our community is matchmaking is very undervalued. And I believe that we should focus greatly on matchmaking because there are so many wonderful brothers and sisters out there, but they're not getting the chance to meet each other. And we need to develop innovative methods. And I know sometimes people come to me with different methods which have been innovated regarding matchmaking. And I find people mocking these methods. I don't see a reason why they should be mocked. Yeah. So for example, there's people out there who are talking about, let's say, speed dating. You know, you go to these events, if you talk to somebody for like a minute and then you move on and you mention, well, I like that person. So I think more of these events are needed. I do believe that our mosques should also open up a little bit in allowing the brothers and sisters to get to know each other better. But what's interesting is that Imam Ali alaihi salam highlighted there is a great reward in the person who brings two people together. I don't know what your experiences are, you know, of the matchmaking world. But I believe that, you know, it's usually should give a lot more support for our community. I think usually it's just by word of mouth introduction. Well, I know so and so and that's it really. But there isn't anything more than that. So I think you're quite right that there is a lack of vision and a lack of dialogue required. And also people, you know, are sort of still in that mode that, well, it's not right, as it were. But, you know, you've got to move in a halal way, as it were, that's where we can actually exercise, you know, meetings in terms of compatibility. You're right. And that's not clearly happening at the moment. So hopefully, inshallah, that will change going forward, inshallah. Okay. Thank you so much for that. So we've spoken about matchmaking and how we can actually learn from this. And you've given wonderful insight, I must say, in terms of his brother, Aqil. So from the marriage, the matrimony of Amir al-Mawminin, alaihi salam, and Umul bani, alaihi salam, alaihi salam, it's interesting, they have four sons, if I'm not mistaken. And what are exactly the names of the four sons? And, you know, what do they represent as it were? You know, what happens as it were? Well, what happens is that Aqil gets back to Imam alaihi salam and he says to him that I found you a lady by the name of Fatima al-Kilabiya. And he begins to tell him the names of her family members. And the reason he tells Imam alaihi salam the names of the people in her and Saab, in her nasab, is because he wants Imam alaihi to tell him, yes, this is the people who I know, will ensure that these traits have continued, or that the sons that I have in the future will be sons who will have those traits. So Aqil tells him, well, do you know Amir bin Saqsa? And Imam alaihi says, of course, one of the bravest warriors in Arabian history. Right. He says to him, do you know also one of her ancestors is Mulaab al-Asinna? He says, yes, of course. So Aqil begins to list the people in the family tree of Umul bani. And Imam alaihi salam, when he hears these names, he recognizes that these are the names that will definitely mean I'll have some brave sons. And, you know, when she gets married, you know, her father accepts the proposal straight away. Okay. He is absolutely in honor of the fact, you know, he's elated that Ali ibn Amir Taalib, alaihi salam, is the one who's come to propose for my daughter. Yeah. And the daughter from the very beginning made it clear. I have not come into this house to be a burden on Hassan and Hussain, Zaynab and Kulthum. On the contrary, I'm a servant to them, for they are the grandchildren of the Prophet, peace be upon his family. You know, it can be, it can be quite intimidating for somebody to go into a house where you have, you know, you're already seen as the stepmom and then on top of that, you've got the, the kids there as well. And they're at a young age and they've, you know, been through a traumatic experience in their young age. But what you find is that she, she walks in and from the very beginning for her it's an honor. Right. And then Imam Ali, alaihi salam, you know, he treats them the best of ways. She has a real closeness to Imam Ali, alaihi salam. Remember, Imam Ali, alaihi salam, when he marries are still in his 30s. Okay. You know, he's, you're not talking somebody who's in his 50s, he's still in the prime of his life. And he marries them, they have these four sons, right? Abbas, Ja'far, Abdullah, and Othman. Sometimes I've seen in historical narration and sometimes difficult to reconstruct the biographies of these great personalities because scarce material out there. And you really have to work your socks off to try and find names and dates and so on, especially with the anti-Omai, the anti- palibid propaganda that existed from the Umayyads and the Abbasids. Yes. But what you have is that you've got Abbas and Abdullah, Othman, and Ja'far. And each one, their name has a different meaning. And I think this is something very important because I have heard some absurd names in our communities recently. Absurd in the sense that either someone's just going on Google and typed cool name and it's just come out with the most absurd name. But just because he'll fit into society, or his wife will fit into her friend's circle, or sheik according to them. Sheik or even it's just like, well, it has some Islamic connotation. And the Islamic connotation is some crazy sect that existed in the 12th century or one of the fighters against Imam Al-Husaynah. But anyway, so when you look at the Adil Bayt, Abbas is a name that is important to them. Ja'far is the name that's important to them. Abbas, he names him Abbas. He wants him to have this particular insight and foresight where he is able to pierce through the lines of the enemy just by looking at them. There's a frown, but a frown of a man of dignity and honor. So they have these sons and you find that there is this wonderful marriage at six places and a very turbulent parent by Jew because Imam Ali, when he becomes Khalifa, he has to move from Medina to Kufa and Umul Bani goes with him. And sometimes for some ladies in marriages having to travel from one place to another, it can really take its toll on the marriage. But you never ever find Umul Bani ever complaining to Imam Ali, that look I've been raised in Medina for the last 25, 30 years of my life, you're taking me to Kufa, no in the country. Okay, and approximately we'll just extend the theme of the names as we were in a moment or two, but what approximately what were the ages of the four sons as you were when they migrated to Kufa? Yeah, they're all young. They're all young. Just for the viewers, how much younger were they than Hasnain al-Islam and Bibi Zaynab's Islam? They were at least, I would say they were at least 20 years younger. Yeah, yeah. At least 20 years younger. Right. Yeah. Okay. And now you mentioned the names. Yeah. And we're going to go to a break in the next few minutes, but just just to continue this theme of names. Because for Zaynab, Abbas is like a younger brother. Yeah, right. You know, that feeling of having a younger brother. Yes. You know, there's between Zaynab and Abalfad al-Abbas, there's at least a 22 year age gap. Okay. And so you've mentioned that these four sons as you were, some actually people doubt or some people there's traditions about Uthman al-Islam as one of the sons. What can you mention about that as you work? Well, I think sometimes this comes up. Yeah, I think this show that Imam Ali had a son by the name of Uthman, some narrations mentioned Imam Ali had a son by the name of Omar. Right. And there were great personalities who were called Uthman were called Omar, such as Uthman bin Mad'un, such as Omar bin Muqran. Right. And nobody has a freehold on any name, probably except Allah and His Prophet. Okay. Okay. We'll just continue to show you in the next moment or two, but viewers, please do do join us this Thursday. This Thursday is the 21st of February. There will be a special program this Thursday aired live. And the topic of the show will be I am Hussaini. What exactly does it mean to be Hussaini? Are we doing justice to the name of Imam Hussain al-Islam? How can we finance initiatives and projects and so on and so we'll have special guests on Thursday, Friday and also Saturday. And we'll be taking live calls. So it will be a fascinating insight in terms of new material and also give you an opportunity to voice your questions, speak to guests as it were, telephone in as well and more. So please do join us on Thursday as well, inshallah. 8 p.m. That's 21st of February, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Say it now. We're just going to be going to a break in the next few minutes. But just in terms of if her name and we might need to come revisit this just after the break, if her name is Fatima, then why do we refer to her as Umulban? If you can probably perhaps shed some light on that. Sure, the narrations and it's always sad when you hear this, but the narrations mention that she requests for a name change. As soon as she, it marries up to Mamali Islam. Why? Whenever he calls her Fatima, there's a sadness enveloped on the faces of Fatima to Zahra's children because they at that moment remember the oppression and the torture and the injustice that was meted out against their mother. Okay, we'll say that. We'll just have to come back to that. We're going for a short break. Viewers do join us again for this fascinating topic today on inspirational women. See you in a moment or two. Salam aleikum and welcome back to tonight's live show on Imam Hussein TV. The theme tonight is inspirational women and we're looking at the personality of Umulban Islam. Viewers do call in to pose your questions to Dr. Seyed Aman Naqshwani. The telephone number for WhatsApp is 07-939-917-163. Once again, 07-939-917-163. Alternatively, you can also call in on the landline 0203-515-0109. Say na salam aleikum. We just prior to the break, you were touching on the name of Fatima and why we actually refer to her as Umulbanin. So if we can probably just go back to that point. Yeah, as I mentioned, she is the one who altruistically, it really is an unbelievable moment in my opinion in her life because you've been given this name Fatima by your parents. It's a great name. But you notice that there's a sadness edged on the face of the orphans known as Hassan and Hussein, Zaynab and Kulthun. And therefore she tells Imam Amir al-Mu'mineen, alaihi salam, change my name. Why? Because whenever you mention Fatima, this brings pain on the young ones. Now, a couple of important points. Firstly, Ahlul Bayt, alaihi salam, are so hurt by what happened to their mother Fatima. It couldn't have just been a natural death because of sadness or depression. When Umulbanin sees that the grandchildren of the Prophet peace be upon his family are distraught when they hear the name Fatima, second lesson is that Ahlul Bayt always come ahead of our interests. There are many moments where we have to ask ourselves a question. I want to do something, but would Ahlul Bayt be pleased? Because their pleasure is ultimately the pleasure of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. What she does at that moment is says, even though my name Fatima is so important for me, if it brings less sadness to the family of the Prophet, that I have another name, then so be it. Let me have another name. Does she take another name on? Imam Ali alaihi salam picks for her Umulbanin. Umulbanin means literally the mother of the sons. I see. You've got these sons, Abbas and his brothers, and therefore this will be your title. And subhanallah until today, when you talk of Fatima, you talk of Fatima at al-Zahra, when you talk of Umulbanin, she has her own place. There is no way whatsoever that Umulbanin could have envisaged all those years back that people would admire her because of the name that Imam Ali alaihi salam gives her. Because of the name that she herself says, I want my name changed. So in this one incident of the name change, we see the meaning of not just what Fatima is martyred and its effect on the family of the Prophet, but also how placing Ahlulbayt's interest and happiness. And that's why in Ziyarah we always say, bi ebi anta wa umumri. May my mother and my father, may my father and my mother be sacrificed for you. Anni silmun liman salamakum wa harbun liman harabakum wa waliun liman wa laakum liman. When we say I'm at peace with whoever you are at peace with, I'm at war with whoever you're at war with. I take as a guardian those who you ask me to take as guardian. I'm an enemy of those who you saw as enemies. This is when a person takes Ahlulbayt ahead of themselves. And that one incident highlights this. Thank you so much Sina. So now we have questions. Salam in what year did bi ebi Umul Benin, Alayhi Salam, die? Was it a natural death or was she martyred? She dies in the 64th year after Hijrah and I will come to it towards the end of the show when we discuss her natural death. Okay um what Salam, what was the age of Maula Hassan and Hussein when Fatima Zahra, Salam Alayhi Salam was attacked? Eight and seven. Right okay so those two questions have been answered now. Just moving on swiftly because we've got I think just 25 minutes Sina viewers that so if you can call in please do call in quickly because we only have about 20-25 minutes for tonight's show. We very eloquently I must say you know mentioned the sacrifice almost as it were she's let her ego go you know made sure that you know her name isn't mentioned as it were. But in terms of Imam Ali's last moments now and in his last moments he ensures that the pledge is made the passing on as it were of Imamat is made to Imam Hassan Alayhi Salam and what what exactly happens to Abbas Abba father Abbas Alayhi Salam as it were at that time what you know in terms of what is his state what is Umul Benin worried about him what happens as it were when everyone's asked to give your pledge give your allegiance give your bayyat as it were to Imam Hassan Alayhi Salam and the continuation then what happens then Imam Ali Alayhi Salam dies in the 40th year after Hijrah at the age of 57 and what you find with Imam Ali Alayhi Salam is that when he passes away sorry at the age of 63 when he when he passes away Imam Ali Alayhi Salam he leaves a will behind to his sons right and that will was for them to all pledge allegiance to who to Imam Hassan Alayhi Salam because Imam Hassan is the Imam after Imam Ali Alayhi Salam naturally and there is this narration that he asks Imam Al Hussain come pledge allegiance to Imam Hassan asks his other sons who are alive at that time let's say Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah and others and Umul Benin comes and asks him you asked everybody you requested them that they all come and pledge allegiance to Imam Hassan how about my Abbas yeah this is quite a point in history why why so because because it's as if there's this message being given okay that Abbas and Hussain your relationship is unique now this doesn't negate that Abel Fadl Al Abbas Alayhi Salam will be the most loyal to Imam Al Hassan Alayhi Salam we know when Imam Al Hassan died nobody was hurt as much as Abel Fadl next to Imam Al Hussain and Abel Fadl was angered by those who attacked the funeral of Imam Al Hassan Alayhi Salam however Imam Amir al-Mu'min tells Abel Fadl your pledge is to also look after Imam Al Hussain there'll be a day you remain loyal to him that is the day you were created for subhanAllah and no doubt when we come to that day when we come to that day there is no loyalty like Abel Fadl yeah okay so um just now moving on swiftly Abul Fadl Al Abbas Al Islam he gets married so what i want to know and i'm sure most of you is probably do you not know this actually um but who actually does he get married to and what role does Umal Bani Islam Alayhi Salam have as it were in making that choice if if any yes interesting i remember when i gave my lecture on the life of the wife of Abel Fadl Al Abbas Alayhi Salam a few years ago and the lecture can be found online on Lababa the wife of Abbas many said to me they did not know until that day what the name was of Abel Fadl Al Abbas's wife she was from the Abbasid line from the line of Abbas the uncle of the holy prophet peace be upon him and she had a really traumatic experience at a young age right because her her brothers were beheaded by Muawiyah bin Abel Sufyan's governor Basar bin Arta and she even though seeing her brothers beheaded her iman remained very strong and this affected Umal Bani Umal Bani saw her and thought you know it's not easy for a young girl to see her brothers beheaded but for her to see her brothers beheaded and to remain strong not affected seemingly this would make a great wife for Abel Fadl and she was like you know his second cousin and so on okay so they were cousins they were cousins yes and and and so Umal Bani is extremely happy but she wants approval from Imam al-Hussein al-Hussein as if Abbas you cannot do anything unless your brother Hussein gives the green light now Abba Abdullah is not that type of person who's going to stand with a gun saying if I do not give you a green light you cannot move on yeah but it was that respect that just existed sure um and so they ask Imam al-Hussein the daughter of Abaidullah ibn al-Abbas what's your opinion and Imam al-Hussein approves and they get married yes it's uh so they're second cousins yeah so just in terms of that if we just extend that to today in this modern era there's no problem as it were cousins getting married as it were in islamic law there's no issue with cousins getting married yeah or second cousins getting married you know Imam al-Hussein married Fathullah Zahran she was his second cousin sure and you know Abel Fadl Abbas marries Lababa and she was his second cousin however of course if a person is given medical advice that there has been a continuous stream of cousin marriages which could result in something fatal or something difficult to handle then they should take the medical advice and in terms of the relationship now and this is quite key as well because we've spoken previously about divorces mother-in-law daughter-in-law relationship what was the relationship like and because viewers actually should take something away from this show as it were and also from this great personality of Imam al-Bani islam al-Hussein what was the relationship the mother-in-law and also you know the daughter-in-law relationship yeah we should take this so sure sure i think you know i hear some really bad examples about how some father and mother-in-law treat their daughter-in-law recently i heard a case where i was told that there is a father and a mother-in-law they expect their daughter-in-law to live at home with them and if they don't the daughter-in-law doesn't live at home with them meaning as she tells her husband let's live somewhere else they'll they'll cause trouble for the daughter-in-law and for their own son yes i heard a story once of a mother-in-law who expected that when she would wake up her daughter should be awake to make her breakfast yeah i've heard stories of unbelievable torture on daughter-in-laws where they are expected to act like slaves and this by the way is from religious families not non-religious families so-called religious families who's you know who's who've got Mawlana's and their families treat their daughter-in-laws in some of the worst ways and you'd expect a family that has you know people who are who are you know learn it in the faith to be people of respect but you find even the ones who look religious can treat their wife in a way where they'll tell her that listen you are the slave of my parents believe you me don't let the appearance fool you sometimes the ones who look the most religious are the ones who met out the most oppression against their families and so what you find is the Amal Benin is extremely soft-hearted right when you have a son like Abbas who has the softest heart as displayed in the heroics of the 10th of Muharram where he could not bear to drink water while his brother his master his niece his sister were thirsty and what do you think of the mother of Abbas she was an extremely soft-hearted lady there is not a single narration in any books both the books that praise Ahlul Bayt the books that try and find problems with the legacy of Ahlul Bayt not a single narration that she ever raised her voice against her daughter-in-law that she ever forced her to be awake at times of the night just to be a slave to her father-in-law that this is the lessons that we need to take yeah absolutely when I hear that there are parts of India and Pakistan where daughter-in-laws are literally slaves they haven't got married they've just become a slave with the title married married this is something extremely sad and far away from the ethos set okay so now we have a quick question for clarity that's how to early on in the marriage basically and also that it's mentioned that she had sons but this person thought that it was given to her early in the marriage that she didn't want to see the father-in-law to grief or the children to feel grief early on so was it was it was it just on the I think there's an argument for both I've never ever come across a date which says for example on June the 27th you know 38 ah that was that day I've never come across anything like that but I think it works both ways yes it makes sense that it's early because obviously being called father-in-law in front of these young kids and it's causing them pain and the fact that they are now moving on in their lives so I think it must have been extremely early when this was given and you know a little bit can give you a title the mother of sons knowing what could happen in the future okay so we had another question and this question has been answered but I'll just read it out because said no doctor said Amarnak Chauhani has already answered this question that how many sons did Amarnak Chauhani have so and also how was she introduced as it were to him so that's also been answered on today's show as well so I do urge you to watch the rerun as it were on YouTube in Mama Sane TV channel but the other part of the question is interesting in that which sons were present or martyred in Karbala so I'm not sure if you want to answer it now or later on or how you want to know now all four sons were present and all four died as martyrs on the 10th of March okay fine so we've just had about 10 12 minutes left just moving on so you've mentioned also you know the relationship that she had as it were with her daughter-in-law and how she treated her as it were what are the narrations as it were what does history tell us about her was she present in Karbala and and if not why not as it were what were there's a few personalities who were not present at Karbala some reasons we know some we don't okay why Khomeil was not at Karbala we don't know okay and yet he was alive at he was alive why Qambar was not at Karbala we don't know okay why for example ibn Abbas or Muhammed ibn Abdullah ibn Ja'far some speculate about eyesight illness old age there are differences of opinion Homeil banyan it seems there's an order given from the Ahlul Bayt a.s that she remains behind and that she does look after for example Abel Fadl al-Abbas's young son by the name of Fadl she is the grandmother who looks after okay and just about half a dozen questions left now say no so it's natural for any mother to be waiting as it were from a different land okay or a different part of the world geographically that the sons are fighting in Karbala what what impact could this have had on her and you know it must have been hard for her waiting as it were being patient God only knows God only knows how difficult it is you know if a mother sent her son or daughter to college she's anxiously waiting when they've turned up five minutes or 10 minutes they haven't turned up late imagine over a month and not hearing news or hearing news but not being able to verify from someone like Zaynab al-Salam because it's over a month until they return back from Karbala yeah and she can only be so strong it must have been difficult but one thing interesting about her Imam al-Hussain al-Salam is more important to her and his survival than even her own son yes yes remember Ahlul Bayt first first and foremost may my sons be sacrificed for the family of the Prophet that's a slogan for all of our lives subhanallah subhanallah so there's a person by the name of Bishar bin Hathlam yes i hope i pronounced that correct and he brings back the news that you know the really sad news as it were to Umar bani al-Salam when she's residing as it were in Medina how does she react when she knows and hears about her for signs have been slain yeah Bishar bin Hathlam brings the news to Medina she is narrated to have held Aba al-Fadal al-Abbas's son she's holding him and she then asks this is Fadal himself yeah she asks is there news from Karbala what's happening and and and he asked who is it they said don't you know who that is that's Umul bani the moment he hears that's Umul bani he says may Allah give you reward for the death of your son Abdullah you'd think a mother at this moment would break down that would be it she says tell me about Aba Abdullah may Allah give you reward over the death of your son Othman she says tell me about Hossein may Allah reward you over the death of your son Ja'far tell me about the son of Fatima al-Zahra but of course the next line breaks her may Allah give you patience and reward you over the death of your son Abbas she drops the child because Abbas was everything to her yeah Abbas was her life but so was Hossein and of course and Hossein's her iman yes and so she gathers herself tell me about Aba Abdullah you will never ever see devotion and loyalty because that's the recipe of success to the family of the Prophet peace be upon them like Umul bani the first thing she wants to do is look for Zaynab because she knows that A Zaynab never traveled except with Hossein on one side and Abbas on the other B Zaynab's gonna need a backbone for her now in the way Hossein was a backbone Abbas was a backbone for him and Hossein al-Zahra yes and say the Zaynab is narrated to have told say the filtha okay or maybe filtha that don't let anyone in the house but then when maybe filtha hears the knocking on the door she turns around she says say that it's Umul bani and it's this moment if you put this into a film Zaynab seeing Umul bani and Umul bani seeing Zaynab and Zaynab calling out Wah Abbas and Umul bani calling out Wah Hossein and this incident breaks her heart and it's very difficult for her to recover because not only has she lost her beloved boys but she's lost the person who she admired more than all and that was Hossein saying this is very difficult for absolutely years after yeah great lessons of sacrifice and obedience as it were and you know serve into it we've just got about six or seven minutes so we're just going to wrap up in the next three four with the next three four questions we often commemorate Majalis now in honor of you know the Shahada of Karbala peace be upon all of them what did she specifically do to honor the Shahada as it were living in Medina was there something specific as it were that's you know the view is really ought to know as it was she was a renowned poet and that's why I would love to hear more of our sisters who are writing Qasidahs, Noah's, Marthea's in honor of the Ahlul Bayt alaykum as-salam because that's what she did and she'd recite the Masaib of Ahlul Bayt she'd find it an honor to be of those who recite the Masaib and I think there are many sisters out there who are very very very able very eloquent very literate well educated right about Karbala yes do a journal article on Karbala a book on Karbala a poem on Karbala and she would go to Jannah al-Baqih okay put five different houses or five graves small graves and you know we all know she's buried in Baqih when you walk in Jannah al-Baqih the four Imams of Ahlul Bayt on the right and she's to the left may Allah bless all the viewers that they visit Jannah Baqih very soon and what you have is that she would sit there and she'd remember Karbala and it instituted for us that wherever you are in the world organize Majalis organize Majalis in your houses because Umm al-Bani and Sayyidah Zaynab the strength of their Majalis is what in short Karbala remained alive to the extent there are narrations that say Marwan ibn al-Hakam mm-hmm those of those who would start crying when witnessing Umm al-Bani in Baqih and this person's heart is sadly made of stone and and umayyid heart and yeah and even he got affected by that right okay um communities worldwide okay um we sometimes we have a sufferer as it were for Umm al-Bani and Salam and Aslam um some people Asian communities you know will naturally make you know curries some other communities may make bread cheese as it were um other communities may actually distribute sweet dishes is this actually Islamic as it were you know in terms of any right you know remembering you know I think any any food mm-hmm which is cooked and given to the poor and the needy yeah or brings love between the community in honor of one of the Ahl al-Bayt is something meritorious right we're not going to say there is an actual narration called Sofrat Umm al-Bani or Khabz al-Abbas or lad or this Kier, Halim all of these things I can't say there is an actual hadith for that yes but doing a never yes mannet in honor of such a lady no doubt if it brings us closer to her and helps to for the you know feed the poor and the orphans and the needy why not okay so now we just literally have a moment or two so I'll be very quick um we often hear about the power of Fatah for Umm al-Bani Aslam alayhi Salam and Amal um is discussed by ulama so that's I'm being very quick now and also what lessons has affected you say now from her in terms of ulama ulama always say that whenever you want difficulty I I've met a couple of ulama have said when you want difficulty do 100 salawat on Muhammad and al-Muhammad and dedicate them to Umm al-Bani others have said recite al-Fatah for Umm al-Bani others mention Amal for Umm al-Bani whether there is a particular Torah a prayer and salawat to be done and you know the books will show you all the details ahlul bait loved Umm al-Bani so much that Shahid al-Thani may Allah bless his soul he mentions how they would do Ziyara of Umm al-Bani on the day of Eid you know many people go to the Maqbar or the Qabristan ahlul bait would go okay and like I said if you ever face a difficult time in terms of your loyalty to the ahlul bait um tests in maintaining your religiosity tests and maintaining your devotion tests and having lost those who you love yes just look at this lady's biography 60 years for AH till 64 AH but 60 wonderful years okay and it's a shame yes that there are millions of Muslims who do not know anything about her life okay very briefly if you can just quickly wrap up the show because unfortunately we've almost run out of time just what's affected you you know from in life and also you know viewers do please join us again on Thursday Friday and Saturday for the special show that I have mentioned say now if you can just quickly wrap up the show very briefly in terms of what lessons I'll leave I'll leave the viewers yeah with one line yeah and that is if Abbas is Bab al-Hawaaj then imagine if you ask Allah through Abbas's mother subhan Allah yeah and whenever you're in trouble Lafatiha for Umm al-Bani and Lafatiha for Abu Talib you should be okay inshallah viewers we've run out of time inshallah see you again next time inshallah sallallahu alaykum