 Tell me first about your work. What is this foundation about? What is its mission, and what do you hope to achieve through it? Actually, I have to say that at first I really didn't mean to build the foundations You know, but it comes from the movement and from the heart of young people that cannot just stay and do nothing Looking at the situation so what social issues what human right issue and environmental issues that happen around us in Kalimantan so This foundation just founded last year in 2016 and actually just my 16th, it's one year anniversary actually of this runaway long foundations and runaway loom Itself comes from the word of dayak manyan language. That's my mother tongue. So it means living water The idea is to use the media as a tool for social transformations whether it is to educate people and to do advocacy work and to Bring up the stories and the voice from the ground so to be heard around the world And why did you feel the need for these stories to be heard? Do you find that they haven't had a platform? Yeah, I love that question yeah, so I Mentioned on the stage previously when I go out, you know from Kalimantan I love people will ask me to main question. So first is do dayak people are still if human myth They ask and then the second question is a do dayak people Wearing, you know, like bark skins or naked So they they like many people outside Kalimantan have a top that we were still very primitive Because Kalimantan is very famous in the forest and they think that okay Maybe we live in the forest just like orangutan. That's what they think and I realize that it's because of lack of Informations and the Francis that Provided about us. So you talk about social issues and indigenous rights issues Through your media activism. Do you also talk about environmental issues? Is that a big focus for you? right, so As a diet people really very close with the forest like with environment So when you talk about indigenous group, you cannot separate it from the environment issue because like I said The net tips always the guardians of the forest the guardians of the water the guardians of Of the soil because we really know how to treat it as we live already hundreds years even thousand years in the island So looking at the situation in Kalimantan now, which is very famous now known by forest fire pitland fire and toxic haze issue so environmental issue become one of our focus and Yeah, we started, you know, like keep driving on bringing the voice from the ground related to this issue Because it's not only about environmental itself But it's also about the lives and the identity and the culture of their people. Have you seen a change yourself? You know growing up you had happy memories of a healthy peatland ecosystem today You know, there's a lot of talk that a lot of it is being dried or burned for agriculture So now it's almost a tender box for fire. Have you firsthand observed that in your community? Yeah, so It's it's not by research, but it's really by experience, you know, like I first I mentioned about smell When 2015 Big Boris fire happen pitland fire happen in central Kalimantan It's very traumatic for us and stop from that point. It's very easy for us to smell, you know There's something burning somewhere in the pitland now. We just just only Just a bit, you know, you know, this is a smell up to 2015 we recognize that and it's really, you know, like in opposite bit I remember what I remember when I was a kid and I also like like to go adventure still, you know, like going to the pitland area and pick the wild fruit like what I did when I was a kid and I Realize something the taste is different. It's it's Bitter, you know, but I remember this fruit. It must be very simple why it's bitter It grows in the same pitland or it's already different. So that's why I realized the pitland already changed Now that you've seen these changes. What are some of your concerns? What do you think some of the biggest challenges are? For yourself and your community Previously, we didn't realize anything about this, you know, when the pit and fire happened We just think okay, this is a natural things that always happen because it's already started since 97 so including this year it will be 20 years for us to see the fire around the fitland, but what become our concern now is This pitland actually when it burns, you know It resulted the particle a very small particle only size 2.5 micro and It cannot be filtered by your lung if it enters your lung It will dissolve with your blood and if we go to your like bloodstream or your brain if it causes stroke it can cause lung cancer and also it can cause heart attack and It's different with the particles that produced by vehicle pollution. This is produced by pitland fire and This is the thing that we keep breathing, you know in our body for 20 years So it's very essential issue for me. It's it's really related, you know, the destroy Destruction of the pitland the fire of the pitland and the health of the people because this is the matter about About the lives, you know, so pitland matter people matter So it becomes one thing that we cannot just separate it and it becomes our concern Yeah, and I think on that note in 2015 you you lived through that you experienced that You were referencing some of the things you saw which were quite traumatic. You can just recount Yeah, how that how that changed your community and and maybe spark something in yourself the Thing is It's so painful, you know when you lose someone that you love it's so painful and I Saw that in the eyes of the people that I met I Went to the villages to bring the medicine to bring help for them and they say this is what we need this is what we wait so far and they didn't have any access to get masks and to get medicine and We recorded the stories about those who loved their loved ones and they cried It's it's really painful, you know for us like it's different. You only know, okay there some people died and Because of hate because of fire But when you listen to their story when you watch everything about your own stuff, you just cannot stop It's very difficult for me because I'm not the outsider that come to help the people You know, I'm the one that live there and I experience it that it's very difficult for us to survive in that that kind of situations We live in the town in the city and we have Mask at least compared than the others that live in the villages They have nothing to survive and to protect themselves. So that's why I said this is this is very essential And we started from a very small thing. I started to talk to my friends in my communities What we can do about it, we are not the one that can change the policy We are not the one that have a lot of money to bring these people Maybe like if I quit themselves out from Kalimantan or to bring the tank of oxygen to each house To help their children so they can live and breathe we couldn't do that But what we can do we just start with that like I said in the stage we start with cooking We cook for for the local firefighters and When you have a very good Intentions and determinations to do good things to help others by sacrifice yourself so The way will be open You know, and that's exactly what we experience We just keep ourselves. We ride motorbike for hours to bring all the supplies to the villagers and Start from that point You know like we bring the stories we We make it be hurt and people say we never know that Because now we know we want to help you and and that's what I feel Media is very powerful thing to change, you know for social transformation And it changed us not only in our mind But also in our hearts and even though sometimes it's very challenging to do this because Yeah, like I said we are actually can choose if we want to be a victim But no we don't want to be a scientific thing. We want to be a hero We want to be the one that stand for our people. So that's why we keep doing this