 once in blue and the other once in black. So in that case it is much better to try to find some usage statistics or some patterns or anything measurable or any measurement how to decide like if it is better to have something blue or if it is something better to do in black. When even this fails like there is no possibility to actually find some statistics or some measure of the way then we have to use human interface guidelines. That's because like sometimes we just need to decide even where it is like not completely given that one way is better than the other. Previously we were using the GNOME Hicks because they were existing but we are now in the process of building our own Hicks and this is mostly thanks to work there of Haiko and also of Jay Phillips who are the main authors of the GNOME Hicks. Also for the conflict resolutions it is important not to block stuff so if it is not possible to decide like what is better but there's code for some feature or new feature let's just try to integrate it and then we will see the feedback of the users maybe the ones who previously didn't like the idea will start liking it when they see it for real or maybe it will just turn out that we will be just terribly flamed in the bugzilla and then of course we need to go to the step one try to find against consensus or just to revert it or or anything like that. Another concept that we would like to have and I hope that we are having in the design team is that we are results we are oriented on the results so that means that when you are just doing something building your crystal castle somewhere in the corner and nobody pays attention to that and you are not getting it to the git repository you are doing something wrong so we try to encourage people to actually when they are doing something to get it directly to the to the LibreOffice code so it works perfectly with icons so we have lots of people committing new icons directly to the repository so it is not necessary to have some developer that would take care of the icons the people can do it just themselves it is also similar with the with the dialogues because dialogues can be edited now using glade so it is possible for the people to actually like take the dialogue improve it in some way and push it themselves. The Garrett code review system of course needs a bit of technical knowledge how to how to work with that but again as I pointed out we have a dedicated LibreOffice design channel where we are glad and happy to help how to how to get set up and and get it into the repository. About the communication I mentioned once that that well some debates or some some well trying to find what is better can lead to to some huge amount of comments but this is something that we would like to avoid so avoiding bike shedding is is a very big priority in all this so when it smells like a bike shedding it is good to get it to some communication channel that that is like more fit for resolving of some things of things like this so when in bugzilla you see that that that an issue has 50 comments something is wrong and you want to get it to to IRC or even to a hangout everybody is welcome to to our gplus hangouts currently it happens every Wednesday we would like to change the the time a bit but we will we will create some some doodle for that most probably but so far it is every Wednesday 7 p.m. of the European time so count your time zone accordingly and the the URL for the for the hangout is is announced on the LibreOffice design IRC channel and also I invite people that that are usually coming to these meetings of course and yeah so we want to include as many people as possible as I told you at the very beginning you do not even have to know that you are part of the design team if you happened to to create some feature that touches you do I I try to collect these things to the in the reports from the from the design meetings weekly so more people will know about your work that we have done I also encourage people to actually add their work to the to the release notes pages so that you know more people knows about this we appreciate every contribution so whatever small you do as the improvements it counts so every every paper cut as Michael said like if there's too many paper cuts you can well cut your entire hand so so yeah just come to us and and do stuff with us and one thing that that that I mentioned already we are we we are open to change it is not necessary that the thing that we think it should things should be done is the best way so of course it is possible to persuade us that that something something is done in the wrong way even if we think that it is not and like if you have code that supports that we will just integrate it and like we'll see what's what's going on in there and feel encouraged to to just do user interface changes better if of course if you if you talk to us so that we can we can see if it fits the hicks that are in development but even without that like the code the code is important so so like push it commit it and we will try to work with you how to do it better if it if the first first cut of this is not the best one so in action how it looked like so LibreOffice 4.4 was actually thought as to be the most beautiful LibreOffice ever but it is not true anymore because we have LibreOffice 5.0 and it is even better so I hope that that this trend will just continue because there are so many nice features that that are being developed now so counting Shimon's new approach to the to the opening of remote files or Moggy is now working on the sidebar for actually like editing charts and adding stuff to charts and Tomasz is doing doing sidebar for document themes so lots of lots of nice things are in the in the development just now so I hope that it will it will become in the 5.1 and if not then in some in some later version so just to summarize what has happened in the last year it was the SIFE icons and breeze so so SIFE icons are constantly in the development so it's it's an ongoing effort but breeze was just a complete surprise it started with a few icons from Yuri and Andreas but then Andreas Kainz just did a tremendous amount of work and in three months he has designed all the 1000 icons which are now included in the in the 5.0 and actually we did it as the default on OS X platform because many people were asking us for for doing that and really that was awesome and and lots of work that he has put into that so thanks so much templates the approach to the templates was was improving over the years we have got the templates a selector improved thanks to many consequent summer of codes finally it was integrated into the start center so you are able to select the templates directly from the from the start center and also during the the release of 4.4 we run a contest for people to actually contribute templates and the results were quite good so we have many new templates since the 4.4 for the for the presentation for the presentation backgrounds and presentations in general we were running also a competition for 5.0 but unfortunately we didn't we didn't pick the the results in time so it was not not included in the 5.0 but J is now going through them and I hope that soon they will appear in master so that they will be part of 5.0.1 lots of effort was by J done in the area of toolbars so the toolbars were reworked based on the usability statistics that were done done quite some time ago even in the open office times but he has put lots of lots of functionality that was used by people and was not like quickly accessible in the toolbars so finally they appeared in the toolbars he has done it for all the applications I think he has started with with writer but extended that to to calc and as well also there was the change tracking toolbar thanks to Samuel and thanks to J as well context menus that is another area where J used the statistics so like one of the things that is very used are the copy cut and paste so they became became more prominent in the in the context menus and also the context menus became much more compressed because when there were some 20 entries in context menus nobody was actually using them because nobody was able to find the way in the in the context menus so they are much more packed these days with a much better much better selection of of the stuff that you can do with the context menus new color select selector that was initially implemented using during summer of code but then many people actually start using that new color selector in various parts of LibreOffice where previously there was only a list of colors so I think in impress we had a only list of colors which is very inconvenient instead that was switched to using the new color picker that even allows you to choose a color from the RGB scheme and and all these things that you would expect from color selector better drop downs so so again for example that was one of the things that was that was missing in the in the toolbars that spacing was not there and so luckily we were able to reuse the the drop down that was originally designed for for the sidebar so we have extended that a bit so that it was possible to use it in the in the toolbars as well and so so the code is shared and and the function is there similarly for the for the ballots and numbering and styles lots of things has happened in the styles so the the previews in the in the toolbar tool for the for for the styles selection was was extended so that it is even possible to update the styles similarly how is it in the google docs and also tomas created this previews of the styles also in the sidebar which is which is nice to use and also a great new feature that appeared in the 5.0 was was cropping an image using mouse because previously it was only possible to actually crop the image using typing in the the numbers and of course you usually do not know like if you want to crop it at like 10 centimeters or 12 or whatever so it is much more convenient to use a mouse so thanks so much to philly for implementing that so what's next of course like as i explained there is no no way how to force somebody to actually do something new for the for the user experience but our hope is that we make the the the work on this fun enough so that you actually get interested in hacking and the the user experience and and the UI in general and if you do so please come to our rsc channel and we will we can talk about like how what what is the feature you are working on how we can it how can we do it visible user friendly and and usable the best way j also collects something that is called design ux roadmap but it is more a collection of things that is ongoing it is not that like we would say like you have to do this and this that's the other way around it's collecting things that are going on that we know about and that we would like to help from the design point of view so if there is something that that we are working on and we do not know that please tell us so i have the document downloaded here i think so so it contains like it's it's tracked now in in the google docs document but here you can see that for the four five dot one quite a lot is happening so the reorganization of the menu bar of the menu bar is ongoing j is working on that document themes that that tomash is working on thanks so much um then uh the already mentioned burq uh in the in the charts is some somewhere here as well i think but you can see there's lots of lots of things happening already for the for the five word one so i think that it will be even even more beautiful version than the most beautiful version ever so that's basically it what i wanted to say help is most appreciated we have non-programming tasks so like the drawing icons or improving the dialogues using glade also collecting usability feedback you can also help us in the bugzilla just by reporting things that that you know that are done bad badly and even if you have ideas how to do it better ideally with uh in a way that for which you can provide some implementation that would be awesome of course we have in programming lots of things to work on starting from the easy hacks that are reported as easy hacks with topic ui but also there are some larger things that would be in the pipeline in case you would have more time and would be more interested in in in hacking is this so whatever join the LibreOffice design on on free note and we will help you to get started so this collects all the resources that are here and that's it from me thank you so much so questions no questions so currently the statistics that we are using are quite old they are still from the open office times from 2009 I think because there used to be some horrible hack how to actually see what what command and and where it was used in the meantime in the meantime this got bit rotten and this is not possible so we have only the results of the actual of the actually collecting of the feedback but do not have a new way how to how to do it currently so I've hacked some some basic basic implementation of what would be possible to use but it is currently currently not finished so the feedback cannot be collected you can switch it on in your LibreOffice and you know use that and see what you were using and like what commands were called and how many times which is which is written on your on your screen when you finish working with LibreOffice but of course like none no collection of these things is happening at the moment unfortunately yeah I'm not sure I would have to ask Jay because he's doing the work so but then he uses half of the screen saying that like okay it's in the sidebar but that's not the full functional replacement so please put it back to the toolbar I'm just wondering because I have to say like the the general concept that is that is working so far was that the functionality that is like like general should be in the toolbars and stuff that is more like context-like should be in the sidebar but as Bobly explained like it doesn't work it doesn't work completely because of the way you use it any other questions yes so the question was if I can give an example of non-programming and programming task so the non-programming would be something like like the designing new icons so so like when you when you have some skills in in in drawing you can you can see what icons doesn't fit the theme that well and you can improve them also when you are not happy with the layout of some dialogue the dialogues now can be edited only using glade which is a GNOME tool for for laying out dialogues so you can you can use it without any programming skills to reorganize the tools the the buttons and the elements that are there inside that so that's for the non-programming or do you want some more examples or okay and for the for the programming tasks so it it can be some small things for which I so for example you wouldn't be unhappy that that something is missing in the in the for example the search toolbar that we have so because it doesn't contain all the functionality that is in the search dialogue so when you open the search and replace dialogue you can see that if you open there more there's much more choices than you can see in the in the toolbar for the search so in case you would be missing like some functionality that is that is in the search dialogue but is not in the search toolbar I think we currently have there the switch for uppercase and lowercase and and stuff like that but we do not have there for example switch for regular expressions so in case you would be using it that much that you would consider it that it should be there actually in the in the in the toolbar as well then it would be quite easy programming task to actually add this functionality to the toolbar so that so that people are able to to search for for regular expressions in the in the in the search search toolbar you're welcome yeah point by for example try to customize the dialogues via blade and for example for translation requirements meaning that as you may know maybe somewhere is longer in a language level so I may need to move the game that we just within the dialogue so the question is if I do that and I find it's a good choice and it works well what's better is it possible to feed you back this modify and eventually having it in the package in the localization package meaning that yeah we've done the running your version and after that you develop also the localization and you apply that you install that as well I guess that it does apply it does install the language translations and so on would it be possible to install also those little files ux files within the translation package it's a good question okay so to repeat the question if it is possible if it is possible to have like localized localized user interface files so in the first place I'm not convinced that it is necessary to do it per language because the the entire point of using this layout was to to sort out the problems that some of the strings may be longer and some of the of the strings may be may be shorter and in general if you see some cutoff that is caused by by the word being too long it's a bug that that we need to fix in the layout algorithm of the of the of the dialogues so if if some cutoff like this happens it's a it's a problem of the of the code not of the not of the dialogue very usually so so that that should be reported and and we should have a look like what is the exact cost of this and then the other thing is that like if you if you change the dialogue to to fit better your language it is usually that it will fit better other languages as well so it is usually best just to find some some consensus how to do it the best way so that it fits all the all the languages and fix it just on one place and not to do it like per localization because the localization localization packages contain only the help and the translations themselves are part directly of the of the LibreOffice installation so so it even from the from the distribution point of view it wouldn't make much sense to to just split it so that's possible and I will teach you how to use get it so the next time you can do it directly via gary to yourself but of course like for the first contribution anything works even pinging me on irc okay so thank you so much