 So Elaine when people approach you and ask I want to become a service designer or a better service designer What is your ultimate tip that you give them? Okay, I think especially in Asia the number one skill a designer needs to have More than you know visualizing skills is actually communication skills because in order to do great service design you have to be able to convince businesses and And if you cannot convince you know the bosses the managers actually it's organizational change, right? Designs need to be equipped with the communication skills to be able to transform minds You know make them think things differently have a persona to inspire or charm or evangelize You know our work. Yeah, so communication skills. I think is critical