 One of my boys said something that I don't even know if he realizes how deep that shit was he said that shout out to the Struggle News Network He said We're the only ones who don't know it's a race But we called it they call it race. It's a race This is a competition. This is an international Competition and we're the only group who does not do it that way Wait a minute, say that one more time. That's a shred of fitting We call it The brother said we're the only ones who don't know it's a race Yes Dionne Sanders, where do you want to start Cordy? Okay, so Okay, so before we got live, right? all right, so We talked about Dionne Sanders a few months ago Where he left Jackson State and you asked me what my opinion I told y'all was mad and Then you got mad at me and then we was mad at each other. Yes Yes, see what the people don't know is me and our friendship. Oh, yeah We'd be falling out Okay, so from your perspective because I'll I'll articulate my perspective but from your perspective Explain what it is that Or how it is that you saw Dionne and why the move was so off-putting to you okay, so You know, I'm a If you don't stop, okay, I am an advocate of HBC use because I am a graduate of Tennessee State University so my my HBC you and I Was so happy when Dionne Sanders came to Jackson State because I said finally HBC use can finally be on the map can finally be looked at as relevant And so I was so happy and then when he left I Was mad Absolutely, I was mad Then you got mad at me But okay None of the finisher but finish your butt. I'm gonna jump in after the ball I Understood your tape And I think your take was pretty much how Jackson State treated him and I also agree that Jackson State should have done the best they could do and put more effort in him staying but you know Now that he's in Colorado and seeing what he's been doing. I Mean, I'm gonna support him regardless. I Was hurt This black man going in a white territory killing it. I cannot not support him Okay Yeah, you're gonna come around eventually So the issue that I had with our conversation and you're right. I should have absolutely called you. Yeah Yeah, let's say that okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right all out it'd be is via text Right, he don't call the people So this is the issue that I had so basically You know beyond Sanders went to Jackson State He stayed there. I believe three years. I believe he was there three years Took him to the swag type championship took him to the celebration bowl. I actually went to the celebration bowl Maybe not in the last year but year before last in Atlanta, yeah, I Think that when Dion came Because he was coaching his sons ever since they were little but when he decided he was gonna try to you know pursue it on a higher level A lot of the critique was he didn't have any experience He didn't have any experience, you know, how is he gonna get a coaching job? He doesn't have any experience. I assumed I Assumed that the majority of that critique was coming from white people and white institutions Because that makes sense, right? You're supposed to think that the black man is intellectually or Dispositionally incapable, you're supposed to think that despite his Qualifications or his achievements. You're supposed to think niggaz ain't shit. I get that But when black folks started regurgitating some of that rhetoric as well and Specifically black folks at a Jackson state. Mm-hmm. That's what started pissing me off because it was framed as Jackson state gave Dion Sanders an opportunity as opposed to Dion Sanders put Jackson state on the map Okay, right and and the the the the problem that I had with that is As black men a lot of art the chip that we have on our shoulder is That niggaz ain't shit because it runs deeper than just like women saying niggaz ain't shit It's the world doesn't think niggaz is shit. We they think we are intellectually inferior We're not even able to Protect our women. We're not able to actualize any of our visions or whatever the case may be So if anybody should believe in us, it should be us Especially if we are in some way shape or form Overqualified Dion Sanders is a pro bowler Dion Sanders is an all-star base. They could have coached baseball if he wanted to Right. He he's he's a legend at Florida State. He's a legend in NFL. He's got his a gold jacket the whole nine But for whatever reason He's still unqualified because that's our default with black men so for me when it got to the point where He had done all that he was doing for the for for Jackson State that he's now doing for Colorado But despite that his son's cars were still getting broken into despite the fact that he brought three of his children to a When it comes to facilities a subpar school Just because he was overly invested in its success But to still be upset with the brother I'm like, man What does a black man have to do? Right, it's kind of like when when people were burning LeBron James Jersey when he left Cleveland Mm-hmm, and I'm thinking like yo without LeBron y'all wouldn't be shit like thank you LeBron That that should be the energy and I know especially black men who found some success in their life They have felt that sense of never being good enough Never being good enough for thank you. It's always. What have you done for me lately? Mm-hmm And for us to project that same energy to Our greats our legends people that if they died tomorrow would rock the foundation of the world I think it's just it's in poor taste So it wasn't just you but generally the conversation I was seeing around Dion like this nigga sell out This is I'm like you ungrateful bastards Because if it wasn't for him if it wasn't for him You wouldn't even know this school exists and I understand, you know Being an HBCU alumni it's hard to hear because it's like, you know swag this isn't but let's be honest Let's be real because that same energy He's bringing that energy to Colorado now and it's being reciprocated Right, so we can continue for example to talk about How You know men get some money or they become successful and they get a white Right Or we can we can actually talk about the fact that when that man gets successful. He's a target in the hood When that man gets successful instead of young doll You know, we're one of the only communities that oh you think you look good is supposed to be a compliment Who do you think you are it's supposed to mean that you are somebody like we don't even know How to see ourselves as great? We don't know how to celebrate the greatness in ourselves let alone the people who've like statistically and objectively checked off the boxes and Unfortunately, it's not until these men go even like we're talking about the passport bros It's not until they take their talents to South Beach or Thailand or whatever the case may be that they actually get their flowers And we can either keep shaming them But we can talk about it and make sure that the next NFL athlete the next NFL Great who looks at Morehouse or who looks at Tennessee State and says, you know what? I want to bring my resources my know-how and this this night He's not put off by the way that people are crucifying a man Who did more than he was called to do in a way that was more beneficial to the institution Than it was to him. He didn't make no money off of that. I agree with what you're saying. I Don't have But I'll go add to it from a a different perspective being that you know, obviously I am HBCU to the DIL You know Affirmative action ending in these Schools Harvard and things like that I Think me being proud of being a HBCU grad is because I'm invested in my community and I Wanted to be the best it can be for us fooboo for us by us And I was upset when Deion Sanders left Because I just saw so much potential finally HBCUs has we can now compete in sports or we have someone and our eyes are looking at us finally We've been Centuries for HBCUs and finally we have something now I was pissed off at Jackson State because again, they should have treated him like a king and they didn't Now Deion Sanders come into Jackson State He should have he should have known that Mississippi is the poorest state in the United States Mississippi is the dumbest state in the United States. They're not smart and they broke so Him going there that should have kind of been like, okay. Well, I know what I'm getting into when you go to a HBCU Unfortunately, the facilities are not the best They're not it's a hundred and six. I believe HBCUs and they are struggling and a lot of them lost accreditation Some of them just finally got it back So when you're going to a HBCU, these are already what you should know him going to Mississippi He's gonna be around some dumb broke folks With bad facilities. So because of that for me, I'm just like What did he expect going to Jackson State? Those three things were assurance dumb broke and bad facilities, but he decided to go there He decided a contract for five years He reneged on the contract. He had a five-year contract for $1.5 million And he left within three years. So he left out on the contract Mm-hmm. So he didn't stay the full time. I would have left at the year one, but that's okay. Keep going Okay, but again Tennessee State University, of course, you know, we got Eddie George. I love Eddie George Okay, Heisman, Ohio State, Tennessee State, Tennessee, Titan, you know, or Houston, Orla's my guy Number 27. He is the head coach. He's been a head coach since April 2021 We treat him like he garbage. We do not Retreat him like a king go and Because of that, we you know a couple weeks ago, we went and played at Notre Dame, which It's unheard of from HBCU playing in Notre Dame Unheard of. I Wanted that to be Jackson State legacy with Dion Sanders And it wasn't I blame Jackson State But nah, I was that that he left I really really was I think I think oftentimes Because the masses Never get to experience what it's like to like wear the crown or whatever They assume that Being the guy is the easy job. Mm-hmm. Sometimes being the guy is the most difficult job you can have Particularly because You get all the blame and under the credit Right, it was it was set up in a way where if they were successful it was Because the HBCUs are successful it gets spread out but if they fail is because Dion Sanders, right and to your point, I think if Dion was treated like Eddie is being treated at your school He would have stayed the entire five years because I think I think when he came in he and Again, I'm speculating but I think he knew that Jackson Was shit. He knew the facilities were trash He knew that you know, the the the players weren't up to par whatever the case may be and I think he sought that out intentionally to Not just prove himself But also set the example that we are not disposable as black people. We don't get to just Turn a blind eye to the worst of ourselves, right? but it only works With the collective effort. There is no Jesus. There is no savior in Our situation is black people, especially in a modern day like back in the day It might have been a Martin or Malcolm the whole night But now it absolutely relies on the collective effort especially now that everybody thinks they're Malcolm and everybody thinks they're Martin and I think over years of experiencing not just the disrespect but the obstacles and Also the Minimizing of his impact. I would have left after a year Me being honest why and let me make because because I believe in Covenants right You uphold your end of the bargain I'll uphold mine Jackson clearly did not At different levels Jackson clearly did not and Dion clearly went above and beyond What he was contracted to do? So with that being the case Yo after a while like if you're just doing business that way or anything that way You're gonna drain yourself and you're gonna end up being jaded and I don't want to be somebody leader Whatever the case maybe who ends up jaded so I think the best thing he did was leave I would have left sooner, but I'm not as great as the Sanchez. Let me say this because you know I have to Sometimes you have to be a little bit more clear for the people. Okay. Yeah, I did not say that Dion Sanders should take disrespect Okay, I didn't say that at all What I said is that when you go to a HBC you you can expect things not to be like a PWI Meaning financial aid is always you're gonna get messed up on financial aid. That's just HBCU Facilities is not the best at HBCU. So these when you go into These black colleges this this is already what you know, what's going to happen or what you're going to see I don't know about him leaving within a year I think Eddie George was on Shannon Sharps podcast and Eddie was like, you know when I went to TSU, you know, the facilities was needed some work and I knew going to Tennessee State that it's going to be Some hurdles that I'm going to have to go through and I know this already before I took the head position as the head football coach So he already knew The thing is that he had alumni In the city had his back, which I just don't I don't think Jackson State did I Think on top of that Okay, let's let's compare in contrast number one Eddie George was a great player. He wasn't Dion Sanders. Don't don't you don't Listen I'm a fan of Eddie George. I was an offensive player. I was an offensive player back in the day So I'm not even supposed to like put Dion Eddie George ain't you know I'm saying like Eddie Eddie George like you could put Dion in some people's top five Eddie George ain't there. Let's just be real That's that's number one number two number two like you said What Eddie was greeted with at TSU versus what Dion was greeted with at Jackson State You know I'm saying it's not the same So so he had a better team, right? number three Dion is coming with three children one of which is a Heisman candidate Eddie George coming by himself I'm playing don't do that Who's this on? That's the point I Haven't seen him on nobody list, but the point I'm making is like it was it was a lot It was a lot more at stake For the I wish Dion would have went to Tennessee State. I Wish Dion would have went to Tennessee State. Okay, so here's the thing too because because of this whole debacle, right? And then it just made HBC use look like we're just Horrible and it's just why would anyone want to go to HBC you now and it just we struggle so much And because of this and because it wasn't kept in home We've put it on the the world to see again Talking shit about our culture of HBC uses our culture So we put it out here for the whole world to look at HBC use as if it's not worthy enough to go to and HBC is so bad. No, that's Jackson State But come on over here to TSU Go to fam you go to North Carolina and see that it ain't the same and I think and I think That's where HBC use dropped the ball, right? Because I think the mistake we make as black people sometimes is when we think about keeping it in house We typically think about sweeping shit under the rug If HBC use had come out and said this is unacceptable Jackson State is not operating to an HBC you level That would have been able to separate HBC use level of excellence to what Jackson State is doing reprimand Jackson State checks and balances within our Institutions the problem is What we tend to do is instead of being able to call out the bullshit that we do we try to sweep it under the rug and then Villify the person who was actually affected by our bullshit. So even even, you know, let's say Jsu they did exactly what they did But the other HBC use more house Howard said that this is unacceptable Deion Sanders, we would never treat you like this Deion Sanders We appreciate what you've done for not just Jackson HBC use as a whole when Ray Lewis thinks about becoming a coach He now can separate Jsu from HBC use But the fact that HBC use stood in solidarity in the critique of Deion Sanders being a sellout That is what's gonna run off potential Absolutely Solidarity, I think what made silence was condoning it. No, y'all my fuckers weren't silent Y'all my fuckers were silent. I mean Jackson was very up in arms, but you didn't hear more how fail me But but I heard I heard I heard people like yourself Calling him a sellout generally because you took it as you took it as he I Got him But but but you took you took it as he He let down HBC use Right, you took it as he let down HBC use. This is a this is an elf HBC use How dare because even at one point I said nobody knew who the hell Jackson state was you took it as Well, that means nobody knew who the hell Tennessee state was and I wouldn't say in that but you you were like, you know HBC use our small network and you know this and that so it was HBC you pride versus Deion Sanders at that point Which I think hurts HBC use and similarly I think a perfect example of that or a good way to juxtapose it is like Part of the reason why so many men in on the internet gravitate towards The female creators who are calling women out is because we never see that happen Women are usually standing in solidarity with women's bullshit Like women aren't making the distinction between this is a standard of excellence that women should operate by and she did not follow That standard of excellence typically its excuses and it's like well She was this that is it and that's why like they gravitate so because it's like oh, she's telling the truth or similarly, you know people like They're Jackson and some of the pandas That's why women gravitate to them because they're like differentiating themselves So similarly, I think we need to be able to check ourselves internally and that doesn't mean we don't act like bullshit doesn't happen It means that we have the Intelligence and we have the honesty to call it out without it being personal Yes, so Now so like you said though the women and the dairy Jackson and They you finally but the thing is that they don't even hold up to their standard Facts None of them do facts not a one Mm-hmm So now it's validation. It's just people wanting to get validated by the office fact HBC use Deion Sanders was their validation and once you live they have no validation anymore and so It was a L Right, and they were pissed And that that that's that's why we have to put the ownership on our institutions we we cannot expect one man to Sacrifice himself for the greater good. That's not sustainable and I think that's that's been our issue as a black community We've been reliant on one man sacrificing himself whether it was Martin Malcolm Marcus Garvey Noble Jew Ali, we've been so reliant on people sacrifice in it again The only way it works is if people are shielded by our Institutions, okay, right when when that when that brother who's who's got the gift of gab and he's gonna speak truth to power Who's gonna pay his living expenses? Mm-hmm. Who's gonna protect like the nation of Islam? That's the only reason Farrakhan is still alive. Who's gonna protect him? But again, we talk so much about the lack of leadership Without addressing the fact that we don't have the mechanisms in place to support or protect said leadership or Incentivize said leadership. We want this Jesus figure who gains nothing And it's just doing it out of the kindness of his heart and it's not gonna work Well any change it has to be sacrifice Talk about a Jesus figure was speaking of Jesus. He sacrificed his whole life to save the world It is sacrifice in order to change in order for this our community to be better You have to sacrifice something going through an HBC you yes It was a financial Huge sacrifice for Dion Sanders. Yeah, and I think a lot of it was like But we need you We need we need HBC you So in order for things to change you have to sacrifice in order to make Relationships work in order to make marriages work. It's a sacrifice But see that's the thing and I and I think that's that's the reason I wanted to have this conversation Because I think there's so much overlap with this and relationships like black men and black women. Yeah, because I think sacrifice is a consequence. It's not an incentive Right if you're if you're selling anything, you're not gonna come with I'm selling a Mercedes. I'm not gonna talk about the High insurance or the high cost of repair. No, I'm gonna talk about the zero to sixty I'm gonna talk about the curb appeal in a whole nine But unfortunately, I think as a community we have Man we have kind of been expected to eat chitlins and enjoy it right like sacrifice Sacrifice is not just expected for us, but we we are encouraged to celebrate it Mm-hmm, and then wonder why as we're going into subsequent generations Dudes ain't trying to sacrifice no more because again, it's not sustainable. The only thing that's sustainable is quid pro quo You do this for me. I do this for you. You scratch my back. I scratch yours part of the reason why Some of these men are going overseas Part of the reason what my brother's 19 years old part of the reason why there's a good chance That he might not end up with a white a black woman even though I'm his brother Mm-hmm is because You can only talk that you know community shit for so for so long But when he compares his experience to with black girls to white girls black girls represent sacrifice And white girls despite whatever sacrifice they might represent okay despite whatever sacrifice they might represent there is at least some identifiable benefit But unfortunately, I think as a community we're not spending enough time bolstering the identifiable benefits we're just like Demonizing and shaming people for not wanting to be a part of sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice Okay, you said sacrifice you think it is a consequence. It's a consequence. Yeah, not an incentive. I Think that sacrifice is Needed for change. So it's a posse as the part of it. So losing weight I have to sacrifice giving up my pizza and for a set of the sacrifice But that sacrifice has it in gold and the end goal is what I'm looking forward to So you have I don't And and that but see even in that example The end goal not only is the end goal worth the sacrifice. It is greater than the sacrifice Yes, and a lot of these situations kind of like the Dion Sanders Situation the end goal is not equivalent to the sacrifice So with Dion Sanders sacrificing a lot to be at Jackson State the end goal is for HBC use and our black community in its totality to be better So But that's a benefit to HBC use that's not a benefit to Dion Sanders So my my point is my point my point is this We can either continue to appeal to people's higher self or we can appeal to people's sensibilities and Our first rule before we even learn about the Ten Commandments as humans is self-preservation So if we want to create institutions that are sustainable we must be able to intertwine and Articulate the incentives with self-preservation So even though this job is gonna be hard. Yeah, you know, you might you might miss out on this that you could get here But here are the here are the benefits Here here are the benefits that are clear that are equivalent at at least Or definitely greater right like right now I've probably got to spend the next six months getting a whole bunch of certifications to become a project manager But when I become a project manager, I could be making multiple six figures. So despite the sacrifice There is a clear benefit like am I helping my company? Sure, but I'm getting paid There's there's got to be a clear line because again and this is this You might not like this, but this is why I hate the Be more like Jesus trope because Jesus was God. I'm a human Okay, so so this this idea that humans in mass should be Sustainably self-sacrificial, you know what that tends to lead to bitter people Because when you get on the other side even like on a small scale relationships You're sacrificed sacrificing and then eventually you're like what the fuck did I do all this for you're gonna be a bitter-ass resentful-ass person So instead of us Seeking out Jesus in human beings. I think we need to be clear about This is the cost, but this is the benefit and the benefit will happen if the cost is paid Simple whether it's for men whether it's for women So if you if you put in all this work to eat right and exercise the result is you're gonna be sex You're gonna be able to attract better quality people. You're gonna be able to do this do that Live better live longer and I think as a community in general not just with HBCU's but as a community in general we Have a great deal of entitlement Mm-hmm with each other's sacrifice Yeah, as opposed to being able to clearly articulate Here's the bigger picture and here's how it will benefit you Whether it's you specifically your legacy whatever the case may be so I Get your point And I think you know Dion him sacrificing a lot to be at Jackson State The benefit for him There wasn't necessarily because of what he had to sacrifice there wasn't beneficiary to him So I get that in order to make our community better And the sacrifices that some of us have to make as far as volunteering mentoring giving back What would be the incentive if it's not just necessarily because it's not necessary if I'm doing well Then what would be an incentive to sacrifice anything for the community? I Think number one Have you ever heard the saying if if poor people get hungry enough they'll eat the rich Yeah, so, you know Part of the reason why I think men in particular should be concerned about the community is because You can raise your kids as good as you want to raise them right but if the neighbor raises Excellent example Your neighbor not mowing his lawn can reduce your property value going through that now Right so this this Individualistic ideal that we have as a community your neighbor not raising his kid, right could fuck up your kid Mm-hmm. That could be the kid that molests your daughter Mm-hmm. That could be the kid that introduces your son to crack So so part of the reason why I think men in particular should be community focused on this and that is not just an Autruistic what would Jesus do thing, but it's also very practical. I don't want to I don't want you to fuck up my property value By your bad decision-making. Yeah, you know what I mean? So I think I think Maybe I'll do Case study about this, but I think altruism is a lie. I think people doing good for goodness sake is a lie I think absolutely because I think that even if your incentive is to go to heaven you're doing it for a reason so instead of us just Relying on fairytale reasons or you know, it's the right thing to do. I want it to be practical I'm doing this because of this and it there could be some goodness to it It makes me feel good as well But like let's be clear on the benefit on both sides so we can sustain this thing that you're doing or The or and we can also inspire other people, right? So with Dr. King it wasn't that It wasn't that the Edmund Pettus Briggs situation Pulled at the heartstrings of white folks and made white women cry when they were watching it No, it was that it made America look bad Internationally, yeah, all of these crusaders of peace y'all are the Superman of the world But this is what you're doing the black folks in your own country Fuck all that so again instead of us spending all this kumbaya time and and like time focused on Appealing the people's hearts. No, we got to appeal to people's sensibilities and spend more time articulating clarifying and also cultivating Clear win-win situations whether it's with Dion and Jackson whether it's a black men and black women whether it's with Relationship this is what I will do for you This is what I expect you to do for me. Is this fair knows now I want more of this or you don't have to do that and then we can negotiate But just I'm a good woman just cuz I'm a good woman. I'm a good man. Just cuz I'm a good man It's not sustainable Okay, I'm like my my big thing is like we give We give ourselves too much credit people are not as moral as we think people are not as Good as we think I also don't think people are as bad as we think But I think what's sustainable whether we're talking about repairing the black community, whatever the case may be We have to be on the same page Practically Because just blackness is not gonna unite us you see the FBA non FBA you see Africa and all that stuff That's not there has to be a clear. This is how it's gonna benefit us as a collective And I I want us to start spending more time having those conversations instead of just my brother this my brother that Because when shit flips you the ops now Because these white folks that are working together the Berlin conference is a perfect example of that They started working together after killing each other But they got to the realization that oh, no, we could actually make more money together working together Then we can just fighting over which African country to rape But as as Africans as black folks we think oh, I gotta like you yeah Oh, I got we got to be we got to have had grew up together, you know sandbox and shit like that And it's like yo, that's not sustainable. It's not It's not gonna work in the long run and for us to teach our children that they should only do good for goodness sakes That's nice But when when good becomes blurry Yeah, they need to have a mechanism to be able to make clear and concise decisions that are not just beneficial to other people but beneficial to themselves So Going back to Deion Sanders. Let's talk about it And so in Colorado, so he's getting a steal a lot of heat there Still from black folks and some white people, too Yeah Yeah Why do you think that is now the white people is saying stuff about them? Is it because it's still the black man in his audacity to Be prom time What one of my boys says something that I don't even know if he realizes how deep that shit was He said that shout out to the struggle news network. He said We're the only ones who don't know it's a race Like we call it they call it race. It's a race This is a competition. This is an international Competition and we're the only group who does not do it that way The brother said we're the only ones who don't know it's a race Yes Yeah, I mean What's her name I can't think of her name But she she talked about it a lot where Damn, it's gonna bother me Yeah, no, the brother blew blew my mind with that one. That is deep Dr. Francis Crest Wilson, you know, she talked about she talked about how Caucasian genetics are inferior Mm-hmm genetically speaking they're inferior and The number one threat to Caucasian genetics Are black genetics? Mm-hmm. Our genes are dominant. There's a recessive That's not to say black people are better than white people That's just to say if you add some black to white the white no longer exists after a while Mm-hmm and It's not a conscious fear that white people have But it's an unconscious I think it's caught there. No, I don't I don't think it's conscious. I think it's an unconscious Anxiety right just like they've been scared that at some point black people are gonna rise up and pay them back for all That's why they were scared of the Panthers. That's why they were scared of the nation of Islam in the whole nine White people are a global minority Mm-hmm. They're the majority in America partly because they pad their stats with like Egyptians and shit like that they call them white, but Globally, they're the minority. So that creates a deep insecurity And guess guess who? Usually has Some of the deepest insecurity the best fighters one of the most insecure people in the world is Mike Tyson That's why you should not care about it out because the nigga was scared White people are scared. Mm-hmm. Now the problem is We as black folks We think that we can appeal to their Feelings mm-hmm, and we forget that we cannot appeal to their sensibilities Their sensibility is to survive. Yeah, the threat to that survival is me So Whether it's on the football field Whether it's, you know, genetically me sleeping with their daughter, whatever the case may be They're afraid of their annihilation And I think that the quicker black folks can wrap our heads around that a lot of this stuff won't surprise us Right like they had to at some point when the the leagues got integrated They had to realize they black folks are the superior athletes, but guess what we're still gonna coach the motherfuckers Now what they got? Now what they got and now they got a picket or he got he got glasses on he's dancing and this is they ain't got nothing else So instead of us wondering why are white folks white white white do white folks not like Dion? No, we need to protect Dion because they're not supposed to They need Lane Kiffin. They need Alabama coach whatever his name is they need them Because if if after the coaching jobs go then well black dudes gonna start owning these things I was gonna say that Again where I'm kind of you know again, I'm mad about Jackson State however, I support Dion Sanders because now in this New venture that he's doing in Colorado I said last year they was 111 and now they 3 and 0 3 and 0 yeah I don't care if that brother don't win another game as salute He's a legend and we need to give him all his flowers. Yeah, because for me and And you know when I was reading about Frederick Douglass You know a lot of us know that Frederick Douglass was a prolific speaker in the whole nine But actually his biggest impact were the pictures that he took Frederick Douglass is one of the first black men who took pictures like a white man. He looked directly in the camera He was dressed to the nines. He was regal. He had his shoulders back his head up and that symbolism alone Empowered and galvanized so many black folks. Yeah, so for me I think the the outside of just you know black excellence being a whole bunch of niggas wearing suits the symbol of black male Audacity like I'm gonna do what I'm trying to do when nobody's gonna stop me I think that is the most powerful tool that we have and unfortunately This is where the women come in Our women have been socialized with the reflex to minimize that audacity Like I said earlier, oh you think you look good Mm-hmm. Oh Who you think you are that comes a lot where you think you that comes from our women So there are a lot of potential deion Sanders that never got the opportunity to even have the audacity to dream that big Because the first place they're supposed to get audacity from After a father is their mother the father gonna give them the genetics, but their mother gonna give him baby You could be whatever the hell you want to be but unfortunately and What's her name Dr. Joy do agree she she thinks that it's linked to the plantation with you know Black mother is not wanting their sons to stand out so they get sold off But we have taken it into the 21st century But we need to start thinking about how we are creating or potentially stifling other deion Sanders because it's bigger than just him Yeah I think the better that we protect him and the better that we celebrate him the more we're incentivizing other Potential deion Sanders whether it's with potential coaches, you know the next few years or just in the distant future Boys to be like oh, no, I'm gonna win all these awards. I'm gonna do all these great things But just like the San Cofa bird, I'm gonna look back I'm gonna find me a Jackson and see what I could do there I'm gonna find me a Tennessee state and see what I can do there But if we forget deion for a second if we drop the ball that is deion Sanders There will be no other deion Sanders. So this responsibility is on us I agree and I think it's The it's very powerful right now with deion Sanders because he is a head coach And so if he is successful, what does that mean for other? huge Colleges not even just looking at HBC use which are forcing normal support But even you know the Notre Dame's and those, you know, the Florida states What would it look like if they start looking at head coaches and black men start getting those positions because you know that we don't So I I've been agreement with you again. I support him. My feelings was hurt. I didn't move on Okay Now I'm like, I want him to do well because now he's a coach and if he does good and that makes it an opportunity for other Schools to get blackhead coaches and then we not just players Now we're running some you know, I'm saying and that's why I really want us to start looking at just look It's just you want to be a player You want to be a coach you want to own this shit? That's why I was so big and I love um ice cube and his big three I wish that we supported that more start, you know Getting our talent in black owned places again. That's why I was hurt about hbc use, you know, but however Yeah So I get it You know, I'll I'll say this too. I think um I think black business um You know supports itself with black dollars I think black enterprise Supports itself with white dollars too Like the goal should be making money from them forever. Well making money period Right, right. We shouldn't just relegate ourselves to the was it 1.5 trillion that the 15 trillion or something that the That's the black dollar. So In these moments When those feelings want to kick in and be like nigga didn't stay the whole five years We need to be able to zoom out See the bigger picture and understand the yo deon sanders and and That that's where i'm at if if god forbid this man couldn't coach another day in football He needs a BET award nc double and double acp award nc double a award the man is good And as black folks We need to be able to celebrate our greatness Outside of the purview of white folks because unfortunately what tends to happen Because we we we are so terrible At identifying and celebrating our greatness We also Only validate ourselves By white acknowledgement of our greatness I'm not a real artist until I win a grammy. I'm not a real actor until I win an oscar Yeah But because we haven't built up our institutions Because we are so down Dug in on critiquing ourselves and we don't know how to acknowledge our greatness. We don't like white folks can make Just a white canvas and they can explain all the nuances and be like the artist was this and we're gonna sell that for $20,000 But black folks you gotta paint the moon the sky heaven And and this and it's still like well my homeboy down the street. He could paint it better faster Like we are so accustomed and we might call it the dozens or all kinds of shit We're so accustomed to minimizing ourselves And then later down the line wonder why black men or black women or black kids have such an affinity for For communities outside ourselves Because that's the first time they can lay their head down and that's our fault. That's not theirs Yeah Yeah So did you see what charlson white was saying about the on sanders? Yeah, charlson white isn't serious charlson white charlson white is a shock jock So he he says things and I think again He's an indictment on the larger social media space because if he wasn't saying all this crazy stuff He wouldn't have a platform I believe after hearing some of his actual like Serious points. I think that he's doing it for a greater purpose And He does a lot of community work Right. He speaks at prisons. He does work with kids and things like that. So he uses the fame to fund that Um, at least that's what he's saying. I don't know him personally But if that's the case it gives but again, I think it still goes back to Why do I have to post the worst part or the most inflammatory part of my two-hour conversation for y'all to come over here and watch it? right Right, right because We can keep blaming me Right or charlson white or we can audit and think as a community. Why is it that we don't support our intellectuals for being intellectuals? Mm-hmm Like he talks about all the time where like When he was marching and he when he was outside The house of of a police officer who just shot a kid. Nobody was around him. Yeah, but now when he's saying Yeah, I rate white women and all this bullshit now He's got a hundred and something thousand subscribers and followers and this this and that And making money enough from speaking engagements to fund what he's doing. So if that's the case god bless the brother Mm-hmm. Um, and we Can't be so emotional That we allow what shit looks like to distract from what shit is Yeah, but at the same time we need to get to a point where our intellectuals don't have to um cosplay as As are you calling ruckus? Are you calling charlson white an intellectual? I think that Again, if what he when he's been sober minded and talking because there's some interviews where he's not bull He's not on the bullshit. He's just talking. Mm-hmm. If that's true, then yes Hmm If it's not true and he's just trying to explain away the bullshit Then he's a fool and he's an idiot But again, if it's true and he's just You know kind of like, um, Kevin samuels Average of best all that stuff If the internet didn't reward that type of behavior, I don't know if kevin samuels would have been doing that But unfortunately Despite the fact he was on the internet five years before that it wasn't until he took the abrasive position That you start getting clicks and you start getting views and you start getting this So do we blame the restaurant or the appetite? Do we blame the supplier the demand? Right, so I think there are two conversations like if I met him I can't really say stop doing what you're doing because he's just talking But if he's actually doing the substantive work that he talks about doing Then hey, I understand. It's unfortunate. We have to go this route, but I get it. I don't know how to do that I wish I did but um Yeah, I think we need to look at ourselves and and question why we force people to have to do The clown bullshit to actually get some traction now What Just so i'm clear. What did you see or what did you hear that charles and white said about the young standards? I want to know if we're talking about the same thing Didn't he say he'll be loose. He hope his son get hurt. He hope He put out 20,000 he said I I will be willing to give somebody 20,000 dollars To hurt dion sander son Yep, and this is the intellectual But again, like I said um This is cosplay Well, I but that's what i'm saying. I think People like charles then white spark three different conversations. I think they sparked the conversation of the supply and demand I think that's worth a conversation. I think they sparked the conversation of Um, should we be so easily moved by redrick? by words I think that's a conversation. Yeah, and I think the last conversation is what it looks like versus what it is So again, because I don't know him personally um For for instance, there was one time he was talking about some of the work that he does with kids and he said that um Part of the reason he wanted to go to prison when he was a kid Is because he saw that Only the Gangsters who came home were celebrated the college kids weren't celebrated when they came home. Yeah You know, he talked about Part of the reason why he was so belligerent and bad as a kid is because he wanted some of those male authority figures to go home with him He wanted a daddy Right, so for for him to to have the ability to on the ground level articulate some of those nuanced feelings that boys are having Now he has to do all the theatrics to be relevant That's powerful again if it is leading to actual like if he's actually speaking at the prisons and actually working with boys And actually doing rehabilitation programs and all that he's saying then we have to look at why are black folks so Triggered by words you could move them this way by saying this move them this way by saying that because that might be the larger Uh indictment that he's trying to levy on our community But again, it could all be bullshit. I don't know But I just think there are those three conversations we should be willing to have as a community. Yeah I was talking to I got a homeboy play for the Raiders And I was talking to him about you're doing this with you. You know, he's a fan of yours And uh, he was like, you know Dion Sanders actually, um, the money that they are giving him I think he's it was like like five million or something he was like, um He underbid it himself as far as his contract Facts 100% He was like, I mean merchandise went up 800 percent since he's been there 800 percent. Yeah 800 percent Um, his glasses Mm-hmm First three days pre sold Uh, the total five million glasses by itself pre sold within three days So does Dion Sanders know his worth Or Or Have We grown accustomed To a paradigm where black men have to over achieve To be appreciated Yeah You do You do that's the question have we grown accustomed to You have to go above and be despite what you deserve Whether it's with women Whether it's with universities or whatever the case may be you have to go above and be because there there's some there's some Head coaches right now that their job before that was being an assistant coach Did they play past college? No But Dion Sanders despite his resume as a player Despite what he did at Jackson state despite what he did at high school He's still an inexperienced coach Now white folks are clear on why that is because ultimately they don't see you can never be good enough as a black man Outside of fucking good and running fast and being strong Now are we willing to see ourselves In a lens outside of that Because they taught us how to see ourselves too. Yeah So that's why you know, I get so upset and disappointed When we Are the loudest voices In those critiques because again, I expect them to say Grown folks take their glasses off in their hat. I don't expect us to say that I expect them to say you didn't finish out your contract. You don't finish anything I didn't expect us to say that We were supposed to see the big picture. We were we were supposed to see what he was up against We were supposed to see the fact that he's under bidding himself with colorado What the hell was he doing at jackson state? He was sacrificing I just want to see more deion sanders and I know that it's not gonna work if we keep running them off If if if you know Like we need to be able to we need to be able to look deion sanders in the face and say that And this is what I thought hbcu's did to students because I I spent the summer at more house We need to be able to look them in the face and say that We don't have the best facilities You know, you could probably go to a bitter more a better more known school You know better equipment in the whole nine, but guess what? They will not be able to treat you half as good as we will So despite our deficiencies We will fight tooth and nail to get you whatever you need and make sure that you know your worth Now we're not we tend to take the posture of I'm doing you a favor Good man, I'm doing you you should be glad That you get to deal with my 20 years of trauma and baggage You should be happy that i'm giving you this this used vagina and and all all all all the issues That now you have to deal with and fixing my my credit and fit you should be happy because i'm a great woman As opposed to saying that despite my flaws that are clear and apparent. It's not a secret Nobody's gonna go as hard for you as I am Because that moves that moves away from entitlement That moves away from entitlement to all right. Let's make a deal Because we we do that with corporate america. I know I don't check off all the boxes on your job description I know that there's some candidates with master's degrees and doctor degrees But guess what if I don't know the answer to a question i'ma find out in 24 hours We understand how to do that there, but like for us because we don't see value in ourselves We don't think it's even worth that conversation niggah. You should be you should want to be over here mm-hmm You see our band their band ain't like our band That one We didn't say that So that's that's that's that's my thing whether because Even like uh with this channel, that's a question that I get a lot You know since i'm not a fan of passport bros or sysbm Some brothers ask me the fair question like Do you expect black men to just settle for single mothers? Do you expect black men to tolerate bad behavior? Do you expect black managers to sign up for being cursed out in the whole nine or trauma dumped on? And I have to articulate that number one, no I expect you to do the work so you can find those gems of black women that are out there and exist Um, but number two, I want you to be able to see the bigger picture I want you to be able to see that Fortunately or or or unfortunately as black people what you do matters to me Mm-hmm, especially in the context of this country Maybe once it's Wakanda you can do your own thing it don't matter But in the context of this country you could fuck up my property value Perverbial property value Right and we need to care on that level and not just the spiritual airy-fairy hoity-twitty shit that we usually talk about Yeah, I hear you Alan You gotta be on my soapbox You at home? I'm just kidding I'm just like, I love you You gotta be on my soapbox So what what are your, go ahead I'm sorry Well, I was gonna say, you know, we could have had this conversation Uh A long time ago This was last year, wasn't it? Was it last year? What did he leave Jackson? He's I guess so, maybe once No, no, it was earlier this year because he left Jackson after the championship to come to Like announced to the players that they were gonna switch stuff up. So yeah, I think I think it was earlier this year But um So what what what are your final thoughts? You ain't gonna make me do a three-hour stream. I told the people I'm not doing that anymore So what are your final thoughts so we This thing or not Well, I mean we talked about a lot Um, but as far as like with Dion Sanders, uh You know my my hurt has healed And you know, I do see the bigger picture And I support Dion Sanders. I hope he Is 11 12 and oh And I think that he needs he needs to be protected and his sons for sure Um Now he needs to be protected. I am very proud of him I really am so to to further speak to his character, you know, uh, his second son shallow Didn't actually want to leave Jackson Mm-hmm. Shiloh Shiloh was actually gonna stay back. Yeah And he was gonna ride out with the hbcu's and the whole nine Um, but things were so bad that he Ended up transferring so again We can continue to single out These people who refuse to be martyrs because I don't want to fucking kill myself Martin Luther King also said I have no martyrdom syndrome Uh, um, you know, we never talk about that aspect of him He literally gave a speech said I want to live a long time But we only focus on the I have a dream And the fact that he ended up dying in the line of duty But like we cannot expect superhumanness from black men We're human And we're looking for peace. We're looking for tranquility. We're looking for sustainability We're looking for deals that make sense not just for us Or or or the the person or the institution that we're giving ourselves to but generally So if we want black men to be on the front lines, we want black men How are we rewarding that behavior whether it's women or whether it's black institutions? And I think we need to be able to zoom out enough to have those conversations Because for us to just continue to lambast and beat down black men Oh, you won a Super Bowl. You didn't win two Super Bowls. You you got the straight as you didn't get Dean's list like at some point they could just go and check out and we're seeing it happen with Gen Z Yeah, these kids are watching how like it's all bullshit. You're never going to be good enough. So I try You know, so if we want to reverse these things we need to Save our critiques for our institutions We need to save our critiques for for our groups, right? and and Not be so individualistic in our analysis