 Thank you, and thank you for coming to this closing plenary where we will try to sum up and have some final very valuable points made by our distinguished panel. I'd like to start by asking our panelists to come up to on the stage. First, Shinta Kandani from the Indonesian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Rodrigo Chavez, who is the Indonesia Country Director for the World Bank. Ambassador Stig Travik from the Norwegian Embassy. Mr. Bustar Maitar from Greenpeace International. Pak Hero Prasetio from the head of the Red Plus Agency. And Sarah Dixon-Hoyle from the International Forestry Student Association. Let's give them a big hand. So, now that we have everybody in place, I thought we should proceed as follows. I will try to give you a short summary of some key points that the secretariat of the conference has picked up during the last two days. And based on that, and based on some questions that we have prepared for the panelists, they will get a chance to give their perspectives. And after that, we will see what the time is and how much time we have for further discussion before we close the conference formally. So having said that, I would like to recall that we set out to find commitments for research, for investments in sustainable landscapes, and for a continued dialogue on these issues. We've also structured our discussion pretty much around three basic themes, one being the post 2015 agenda and the sustainable development goals. Actually, we've seen an addition now by Minister Pulgar Vidal. He added the landscape development goals. I thought that was a very good idea. We'll see what we do with that. The second theme has been climate change, of course, and the road towards a new climate agreement. And the third has been the discussion around the green economy. We've had a process of this conference which started by us being very honored to have the President of Indonesia. Open the conference. We've had the honor of having 12 countries at ministerial level present who have made many valuable interventions. We've had a couple of great keynotes today from Dr. Parchawari and Mark Boros. And we've had a number of high-level panels and discussions for that have examined, really examined, the landscape approach and forests and how it all connects. And we've had a fantastic youth session, which was very well attended. Not to speak about all the social events in between. So we've had a great process. Now, what did we talk about? I'll summarize this around the five themes that we had in today's panels. Those themes relate also to the discussion for what we had yesterday, and they also relate to the keynotes and to the overall inputs that we have received during the conference. The first theme was about governance. And there was a lot of very interesting discussions about the challenges with the legal frameworks, the implementation of such legal frameworks. We've had inputs on related to the timber trade and the legality of that trade, how verification processes are evaluated and developed over time, and the multi-layered arrangements of governance and what complications that means for the objectives that we're after. We'll summarize this in much more detail in a forthcoming report from the conference, just providing some highlights. A big theme has been investments. And a couple of things to say about that is one is that it's good to have finance people present because then you quickly realize that it has to be profitable. Otherwise, we can stop talking. But it's also good that we've had the mix of finance and, shall we say, natural resources or environment disciplines present because then you end up in the clear message that green economy doesn't necessarily mean less economy because it's green, nor does it mean that it's less green. It can actually be both more green and more economy in the end. I think that that's a key message after this conference. We also heard related to investment that there is really a big pile of money out there. Exactly how big it is. We've heard some fantastic numbers. But and we also hear that there are changes happening in the private finance sector. They, or they, maybe we are part of it, the opportunities are now seen. There are many ethical considerations taken in large scale investments. There are green bonds and other new financial products that are coming online. And we're also getting the message that to succeed, we probably need to think big in investment terms. Scale, scale and scale seem to be the three key words. We also talked quite a bit on the role of public sector finance versus private sector finance and maybe concluded that to be realistic, we really need to look more and more to the private sector and make sure that the public sector provides the right enabling and framing and legal conditions for those private sector finance. We've heard comments on perverse incentives and subsidies that we need to clean up. We've heard about new landscape investment programs starting up. We've heard that there is a lot of need of evidence on how possible and profitable it is to invest in the rural landscape and more research is needed. So that was the second theme. The third theme was on communities, landscapes and equity. Discussions have revolved around issues of capacities of local communities and indigenous peoples. It remains an issue. It remains to be a huge need to build capacity for the types of actions, investments, etc. that we are looking to. Dialogue remains essential for landscapes, for community forests, for integrated watershed management or whatever we call it. It has several names and it's not a new thing, but we still need to continue to build the dialogue. And then I read, I actually couldn't attend that particular session, but I also read from the notes that there's been some comments and critics that there hasn't always been so much progress over the past decades in these around these concepts and that might be a lesson to draw and think about as we now move forward. The fourth theme was food security or maybe we should call it food systems, not to confuse the concepts. We talked about quantity versus quality. Are we on the right path in our food production? I've learned a new word today that we might, we need perhaps to avoid an indomitization. Indomitization of the diet means less noodles, I've learned. We heard also from a particular Dr. Parciari in his keynote about the IPCC findings that the food system will have issues because of climate change and it's really time to connect the food and the climate challenge as we move forward. And the example of that was that probably want to conclude from this conference that we also want coffee at our next conferences. The final theme, fifth theme was climate change and biodiversity. Big message here is that adaptation and mitigation must come together and we must look at solutions more broadly again from Dr. Parciari's keynote. We also continue to hear, maybe it's not so new, but we continue to hear that Red Plus is not only about the forests and also that Red Plus needs a context. We think we are bringing some of that context in the discussions in this conference. We also hear that there is a need to bring forests or mitigation action closer to finance to bring in perhaps ministers of finance in the discussion to a greater extent. This is all happening, but it's good to have it confirmed. And I think that that comes to a close some of the highlights from the different themes. Coming back to commitments, I think we heard lots of commitments. I would like to highlight two which I thought was very well pronounced, were very well pronounced. One was a minister from Brunei who very clearly listed the commitments that Brunei was prepared to take. So that was very valuable. Another commitment that we saw illustrated was the presentation done by the representative from Philippines from the Department of the Natural Resources. He actually illustrated a lot of commitments made for the landscapes of the Philippines and the expansion of the forests and along the lines of the themes of this conference. Very encouraging. There were many more commitments I just wanted to highlight these two. Some other key points from my notes that was that the haze issue was one of the precursors of this conference and sure enough this continues to be a very high attention topic for all of us in this region. We've heard several speakers refer to it, particularly our emcee who's not here anymore, but she mentioned her school days in Singapore, how they were disturbed by the haze. Now, the haze issue is really serious, but I would like to say that one thing it has led to is also that it has worked as a way to bring topics together that would otherwise perhaps not be so easy to discuss at the same time. Because the haze problem really illustrates a number of things. It illustrates governance issues, it illustrates investment issues that may not be exactly as we want them. It illustrates climate change issues in terms of emissions, it illustrates ecosystem losses and it illustrates how the food systems that we have at the moment are operating. So it's a good topic, I'm sorry, and also the health issues that are the result of it. So it really is a topic that has helped to bring together disciplines in this conference. I brought one line from the two key notes today, Mark Burrows and Dr. Park Chowry. Mark talked about a perception gap and the needs for us to bridge these different disciplines and make sure that we understand each other. It's a surprising level of misunderstandings when investment bankers talk to conservation professionals and we need to continue to close that perception gap to make progress. And I would say that Dr. Park Chowry talked about the knowledge gap. Yes, we know a lot more now from the IPCC reports but the knowledge gaps are still daunting both in terms of what's going on, secondly what actions we have to choose from and finally the consequences of those actions. This brings me to another point which also illustrated by the two key notes today. I think we've managed to bring the finance community and the broader speaking environment community more together through this conference. I think this is an important achievement and I think we should be proud of that having talked to each other. Being the head of a research organization I have to say that we have also figured out many new and exciting opportunities for science and research that we will now pick up on. Another key point was that we've had discussions around the climate change narrative and that it needs to perhaps change. It needs to be framed in a more positive way. We need to be framed to see the opportunities in investments for example in land use to deal with the issues and not only be portrayed as a problem and a limitation. Looking forward finally. Minister Pulgar Vidal the incoming COP president has described to us a fairly rough road ahead towards Paris via Bono, New York, Lima, New York again and many other places and the many things that need to come together if we're indeed going to have a successful climate agreement next year. Same goes for the post 2015 agenda and I think by that I'll conclude my own quick summary of the things we've heard and seen from the conference. I hope that gave you some more thoughts in the panel on your reflections. I'd like to give each of the panelists a chance to say a few words. I'm going to sit down over there so you don't have to come here if you don't want to but it's up to you. To start with Shinta you just need to find the right page of my notes. Shinta you really represent a big part of the Indonesian private sector that is engaged in the issues and we're really curious now to hear your your conclusions and your reflections of the conference and what you will do next please. Thank you Peter and I think when we see the last two days we can see that the the session of green growth is aligned and wholly supportive by engaging stakeholders to deliver change both at national and provincial level. The private sector plays a big role in maintaining overall investment level foreign direct investment as well as domestic direct investment whether from retained earnings or financial markets and financial institutions. In doing sustainable business private sector also requires strong institutional setup through which policies that will establish a model and a green growth development. As had been said private sector have ought to do a sustainable business in order to working for the future and balancing the community and environment. Investor driving transformation towards sustainability and guide benefits in green returns and green investment for us is one of the tools and could be done by three ways in sustaining natural assets expanding natural assets and creating green jobs yet private sector could not do this sustainable business alone. There are many challenges such as overlapping concessions licenses market uncertainty forests and pit fires community rights green growth needs to develop into a broad broad base social movement. We the private sector need public support we need no deforestation commitment from all party funding and investment that focus on landscape conservation. Building the technological capacity and market recognition are even innovating market to support sustainability. Innovative approaches should be implemented to financing the inclusive green returns. For land investment property agriculture extractive industry and infrastructure a greater awareness of land tenant problems among risk professional and insurance providers may create incentive increasing financing costs and less of insurance that protects against careless investment in land for these businesses land investment areas managing financing costs. In particular sustainable landscape is worth enough to build in effort to sustain the business itself. Towards an effective business balance of public and private capital climate finance has been a key to resulting a significant commitment to increase the flow of climate finance from developed to developing countries. In improving private sector and smallholder participation private standards have the potential to resolve in positive effects and lead to positive impact both at the producer and at the supply chain level. Successful implementation private standard requires a balance between global scope and adaptation to local conditions. In improving performance in sustainable palm oil and timber private sector should transform and some of the private sector have announced their commitment for zero deforestation no development on peed with respect to people and local community and transparency. For that purpose government have to supervise and work closely with companies growers traders processor NGO financial institution and so forth. We as the Indonesian Chamber of Commerce would like to make our commitment of first to continue engaging with the key stakeholders and learning while also moving further into the role of resource provider and educate. We pledge to aggregate and make available key resources and help develop capacity around this key area. Community participation and recognition effective spatial planning mapping and the one map initiative and improving practices among small and medium agriculture enterprises. Second we will continue to leverage our natural role as a representative of the private sector to learn from our members and our experience and provide actionable recommendation to policymaker so that policy more effectively support equitable low carbon and sustainable development. Third in the medium term aim to find opportunities to demonstrate these improved practices and invest in sustainable landscape through improved practices and planning. To implement collaborate mapping and spatial planning pilot use of best practices bringing all stakeholders together to learn race awareness and create a shared vision. We at Tadeen very much look forward to working with all leaders to facilitate collaborate approaches to addressing these challenges. Thank you. Not on. Not on. Now it's on. Somebody's doing something over there. Thank you very much, Intan. That's a great conclusion from the representative from the private sector. Now I would like to turn to Rodrigo Chavez. Rodrigo you're the head of the World Bank here and I mentioned the Minister of Finance before and that we need to start talking to them. I think you talk to them all the time and we have a question for you and that that is relates to the forests and through its forest investment program the World Bank is providing significant support to the so-called Kapiha. These are the new forest management units in Indonesia and they're designed to improve coordination of the forest management so the question is what how the World Bank is involved what are the steps that you are taking to ensure that these forest management units will bridge the current gaps and ensure that forests are managed sustainably across sectors. In what ways are these Kapiha and the forest investment program following a landscapes approach? Is this one? Yes. Thank you very much Peter and congratulations on what is obviously a very great event. I was told that this was the session on commitments and before answering your question let me do what I would like to do which is let there be no doubt that the World Bank in Indonesia is fully committed to work with this great country the government and the civil society of this country in protecting one of the most wonderful creations of modern nature and an amazingly valuable asset and managing that asset in a sustainable socially inclusive and economically rational way. That as you mentioned earlier before is a big task and it requires a lot of things to achieve what could be said so simply in a few words manage an asset as I said it's a extremely complex asset and it will require a lot of action public policy action it was Shinta mentioned private sector action it requires understanding what is the trade off between agriculture and forest destruction and livelihoods good governance law enforcement and the like. In the context of the commitment that the World Bank has made and right there is today here to Indonesia we have been asked to take on a small piece comparatively speaking yet a potential important piece which is the issue of setting up instruments of governance at the local level that in Indonesia they would be called forestry management units these are in the that's the translation to English and in Indonesia is and these units are going to put one of the pieces of the whole puzzle and as such they are not going to be nor could they be expected to be the sufficient condition to manage and protect the forests of this country they are a necessary condition and these units are going to be at the level of local government and they will have four key areas of focus that I think are obvious in the context obviously important in the context of the conversations that you had earlier today these capehas are going to clearly define what are the boundaries of the asset that is being managed protected and so on clear physical definition that's the piece of land with the forests on it and the biodiversity on it and the people on it that we are going to manage that will be quite an improvement the second part is they will work in defining what are the rights who has the rights and what are the appropriate uses of the land of the land of the asset being informed and finally the fourth element is that they are going to work with the stakeholders the parties interested in that asset be it the local community be it the private sector for profit be it the state as a good arbitrator and as the regulator of economic activity in this country and they are going to try to precisely provide elements into governance and elements which should and could be enforced as part of the law enforcement and that's the contribution of the capehas it is an instrument it's a piece in a big puzzle what we are doing as I said before the World Bank does what Indonesia in the brother sense of the word Indonesia government society and so on is called to do upon and we were called to contribute together where our friends at the IDB Asia Development Bank and the IFC an amount that is not small of resources to get this capehas design installed and going we hope that together with the private sector again the international community the government the civil society the local people at the forests this will contribute and I would like to close this brief intervention with what I said at the beginning let there be no mistake we are fully committed as an institution I am I happen to be a Costa Rican which is a tiny little place in the world where we may have done a couple of good things regarding the environment and is in our DNA to protect that amazing creation to manage it's not protect to manage rationally socially inclusive in an economic way that makes sense the forest so I am also personally committed and great pleasure to be here thank you very much thank you Rodrigo for those thoughtful and kind words now I'm turning to Ambassador Trovik Stig thank you for being here your first commitment I think has been to be very present at this conference we have been very happy to have you here and talking about commitments I don't think we have anyone as committed as Norway when it comes to the issues we're talking about so besides reflecting on on the conference as such and I would like to hear some use when we now put the private finance sector next to shall we say the red plus issues and we all are aware of the discussion when it comes to red where did the private finance go and now maybe we have an opportunity to move forward on that so we'd be interesting to hear your views on that perspective and how we can possibly ensure that funding for existing and new red plus initiatives can can be secured in Asia but also worldwide Stig please thank you Peter and thank you for organizing this very successful conference I think you just move it up to your mouth yeah I think the the most important thing and that I think that comes from in a way the title of the conference looking at the landscapes I think you've done extremely well and drawing people together so to de silo a bit the the discussions because I think that tends to be silo discussions so I think we've had very good messages of hope on the global level level from the Peruvian minister I think we need that I think president SPY pointed to the importance of regional cooperation I think you've pointed out the importance of cross sexual cooperation in government and the triangle of course government civil society and private private sector I think you've done extremely well in that and yes I mean we are committed to to stay stay the course I think on finance I think the best guarantee for success is to demonstrate that we are succeeding here and I think Paheru and his team they are in the process of proving proving that we can and will produce success stories I think in a way there is a bad and a good side to where we are at this being a year of transition also in Indonesia in one sense you could say it's unfortunate that we haven't been able to do even more during the years we had a commitment the good thing is of course that 95 percent of the funding is available to the incoming government so I'm pretty certain that we will be able to work as well with the incoming government as was done with the sitting government and I think another important thing here I mean you need hope and boldness you need finance you need technology and entrepreneurship but you also need knowledge and I think that's where C4 has something very important let me just share one little story about you with you about how wrong it can go if you have both hope boldness finance technology entrepreneurship but not knowledge the Vikings were very good at inventing things they invented the best boats of their their age they had the finance to travel far they had the boldness they had their entrepreneurship to set up farms so they went all the way to Greenland what they didn't realize was that they didn't have the knowledge about the landscapes of Greenland so they expanded they expanded and then suddenly somebody cut down the last tree and from there it went very quickly downhill so we expanded there for 300 years and then it took 50 years before you had to to leave the place because of lack of knowledge so I hope that that is something that you are providing us with here so let us to make sure that we are not going to be those Vikings it's a good analogy I guess that's why they called it Greenland as well that was lack of knowledge it was actually very green at the time when they arrived less so when they left okay thanks D Buster you represent Greenpeace International yeah and we all know about Greenpeace global campaigns and you've been very successful in convincing companies to employ more sustainable business models and we have some recent examples of that here in Indonesia so we're valuable to hear your views both generally on on the the movements and interests and successes from your perspective of the private sector and also your reflections on the topic of the conference yeah so please yeah thank you Peter and also thank you very much for Sivor to in fighting us as a Greenpeace here it's not the as usual it's Greenpeace sitting in the panel like this usually we're sitting in the back with the banner but I'm here now so so that is our core business to asking people to do more including government and the private sector otherwise banner will be hanging in the back so Greenpeace in Indonesia we start the office here about more or less nine years ago and then I've been watching the all development of the forestry sector in Indonesia and then at the time I think about even seven or five years ago when people talking about the moratorium on deforestation it's haram in Indonesia so no one is one to talk about moratorium because it's something people thinking impossible but what is happening in 2010 then president sby come up with the idea of the moratorium and everybody surprised so and this is something is really encouraging and together with the Norwegian government signed the deal for supporting Indonesia for the moratorium so not only about moratorium but what is what most important thing is the how to define the all forestry sector here in Indonesia to be a better manage good for people good for economy but also good for environment and this is also part of the Greenpeace commitment many people thinking that Greenpeace is campaigning to stop palm oil but here I would like to repeat again Greenpeace position is not anti palm oil that is our global position this is some this commodity is important for the local people here in Indonesia so reflection from the from the conference what I hear from yesterday yesterday in the first panel you hear Pa Franky Vijaya so what I would say here again a couple of years ago people saying no deforestation is impossible even people tell me booster you crazy what you're asking for no deforestation is crazy but what is happening now golden agri resources 2011 make a commitment no deforestation palm oil you know following after that Asia pulp and paper making a commitment no deforestation pulp and paper and then we have also example of restoration company who can get the permission here in Indonesia without you know without giving any single money under the table RMO here and this is something that big success so what it means Wilmar recently just last year the forest rest and also climate advisor together making a Wilmar also for no deforestation so no deforestation is not illusion it's something real can be happened on the ground and this is can be implemented for the business here in Indonesia so if I hear any business saying no deforestation is impossible I'm saying don't bullsitting me because there is a there is a example about more or less 40 companies globally now is making commitment for no deforestation including for example recently proctor and gamble market company many companies growing so demand for no deforestation product is growing if we talking about Indonesia I mean this is a very good time now we have this conference I mean the the election in Indonesia happening now and we're talking about the legacy yesterday president SBY is making a strong commitment and what Greenpeace would like to see before SBY is leaving the palace is the to have place full protection on peatland this is something is really concrete to stop emission especially coming from the peatland peatland protection also is a long term solution for the forest fire why because if you dry drainage peatland means you prepare a fuel for the next forest fire for the those of the people who's who know of peatland when the peatland is very dry it's very easy to burn so when you dry peatland means you prepare a fuel for the next forest fire so better to protect those peatland when we when we talking about campaigning on no deforestation some company saying what you mean about forest because here in Indonesia the terminology of forest sometimes is the a different in the each sector so we come out with the something that we call it high carbon stock to really define what is the graded forest what is the good forest to give a clear line to the company that where they can develop palm oil and where they they should protect a forest and this is something that is already applied in golden agri resources uh uh uh uh company in asia pulp and paper in wilmar to helping them to define which area they can develop and which area they should they should they should protect and of course also i really appreciate uh ibu sintha i mean you mentioned that the commitment for a business sector so now i think it's the time to really making a a change uh example is there commitment from the donor country is there commitment from the government of indonesia is there so you know there is no nothing to excuse anymore now it's time to making a uh a concrete but also here that the is really important to give incentive to the company to the people including the small farmers who want to do best practices otherwise doing good doing bad all the same so this is something that we need to differentiate who's doing good of course we need i mean government is need to give incentive to give appreciation uh market also should appreciate that you know and then by supporting the their product and the kind of thing so this is uh something important previously i'm keep hearing about the green economy low carbon economy or whatever it is now what i would like to introduce what what i would like to say is the no deforestation economy something that we can measure really clear in the next two years that no more deforestation involved yesterday in the media indonesia is one of the top 10 global economy now and this is happening during the moratorium time so what it means growing economy while trying to manage our natural resources is something uh impossible so that is my takeaway thank you very much peter i offer to you thank you booster i was worried there for a while because you you were so successful so i was wondering what green's piece is going to do now but then you came back so you have plenty of work to do still um okay i think it's now time to hear from from our host government back here head of the red plus agency it's a pleasure to have you here as always and and we look forward to hear hear your views particularly the way forward for the agency the cross sectoral work and everything please absolutely thank you peter good afternoon ladies and gentlemen i'm put in a very difficult position here rodrigo mentioned this is a time to make commitments how can i make commitments when my president has made such a strong commitment on the first day cannot top that and also you're talking about uh moving forward peter in terms of what we are going to do to moving to the front i will try to answer that but let me give you my reflection of the two days some people say that life began at 40 and i think we start the life again again since 40 years ago in 1972 mark my word 1972 is not 40 years from now in stock home people say that in the conference that was up before the earth summit in in rio that if we continue this path of ignorance and negligence very bad thing is going to happen to this planet that was 1972 and then people talk about that 1992 we have the earth summit and then after the earth summit you have the and fccc you have you and cbd you have you and ccd as if the solution of the planet problems on climate change and other things can be solved with separate silos it does in terms of getting to the clarity of the matter the scientific analysis of that but it's time now to converge again so when we are talking about forest since montreal to bali to the next coban hegan and others we are now back to landscape because when you're talking about those negligence those ignorance we are talking about landscape in 1972 landscape was the agenda and now we are back to landscape as an agenda why i mentioned 40 years because the idea of landscape was brought to the front in the year 2012 that was in doha so 40 years now we are two years into the time when we are getting back to the roots of the issue to the roots of the solution finding the solution to the root of the issue i believe ladies and gentlemen and when president mentioned about sustainable growth with equity we were talking about a several criteria several indicators that we need to address emission is one of those criteria emission is one of those indicators to address but not only that we also need to address the issue of growth we need to address the issue of development we need to address the issue of governance we need to address the issue of equity and inclusiveness those are the things that in my opinion is what the president meant our president mentioned yesterday and i think that has to come in a way that is properly done here the diffraction of the two days that i have been around here listening both the noise and the voice both the sound the concerned solution thoughts as well as complain and protest was actually something that goes into the two areas the substantive things what needs to be done and what can we do about it and when do we start action on that and the other side is talking about how do we actually fund that how can we actually channel the resources that to make that happen we understand the discussion about the public fund the private investment the private fund and all those things let me reflect on that and discuss that on a metaphor of the flow of water or the top end you have the upstream that is where the fund can come from in the middle you have the dam and then after the dam you have the downstream where the money or whatever the resources is is going to be applied such that the whole objective of achieving sustainable growth with equity is happening not only happening but also work what are those things that we consider to be flowing into the dam and where are they in the films of things let's look into this where is the supply and where is the demand because always you will have to have the flow talking about funds you're saying that the supply will come from the private sector will come from the donor country so to speak the developed country and get into a mechanism that will now get into the forestry country for distribution and for the development in the right way but let's think about it on the reverse side you have the painting of asher whereby the the stairs goes up and down at the same time the carbon what we are the emission that we reduce the reduction of the impact to the climate change that we happen in these countries the forested country is actually a supply that can ask for the demand for the fund to pay for it so actually you're talking about the two kinds of flow the flow of resources and the flow of results and these two flow needs to be balanced it is not proper to just discuss the flow of funds to finance to develop the outcome which is the reduction of emission the development in an equitable basis and then there is no demand what is the point of having a certification if there is no differentiation on the price of your commodity so you're talking about the flow of the results to the demand as the being the supply and the supply of fund I will say fund and the general terms to feed the development so that that will create the product that is a metaphor that you're talking about the flow and the flow can only happen if there is a difference in high if there is a difference in level so that you can flow which means what the demand needs to be as high or higher than the supply to get this flow continuously moving look into that we the developed country we the defense sorry we the forested country will say when you're talking about red plus when you're talking about funds on the sustainable landscape for the green growth we are the supplier of the solution for the climate change where is the resources that will make us able to supply that is the equation that needs to be addressed all right that is in terms of the flow but when you're talking about funds here I'm not talking about money alone I'm talking about funds the skills the capacity the expertise that is already being developed somewhere else and also the time and attention if those flow is not have is not having all this element if there is no expertise no flow of resources if there is no time and attention from the developed country developing country for producing that results there is no flow again so this is a flow not only of money but also of expertise flow of technology and flow of time and attention I am just continuing this from my last landscape meeting when landscape is only landscape and it is going to be silent it's going to be quiet if there is no flow considered that the flow of money the flow of goods the flow of people and the flow of technology and knowledge they are an integral part of the analysis on landscape and that is what I reflect listening to the various speakers during these two days and then we have come a full circle and beyond why I mentioned that beyond because in this conference I will ask myself if I do this conference in Accra will we have the same agenda if we have this conference in Lima will we have the same agenda and I think 85 percent of the agenda will be the same and 15 percent will be specific to the locations because this is a global problem that will call for global solution but what is that plus this conference normally have a lot of age people like me but this one we have youth with us and that is so important to me because I always say in a meeting whereby youth is present because they are very important one day ladies and gentlemen I'm going to knock on your gate and ask dear leaders of the day am I allowed to get in have I done good for your future or have I done bad so that you can refuse me to enter your world and I hope when that time comes the youth will say oh yeah you have been in that confidence in Jakarta right and because of that I will welcome you all to be the citizen of the future because that is what sustainable landscape for green growth is all about it's about the future it's about the generation that is to come and to come and to come not only 25 years not only 40 years but forever thank you very much many thanks back here I hope we will change more than 15 percent of the time but we will see now we for the last intervention in this closing panel we save that for the future and the future is here represented by the international forestry students as we association and the Sarah and by Kira gave you a very nice pitch here so now is the floor is yours to pick it up so I'm going to stand as well we're young we like to do things differently thank you so we welcome you knocking on our doors in the future you said though that life starts at 40 I would respectfully say that it starts much younger and I'm happy to see that the youth voice is alive and really strong here today at Forest Asia I'd like to make four key points today firstly for those of you who don't know last night we had a really dynamic and exciting youth session we took a whole new approach in terms of designing it and we produced really concrete actionable outcomes number two these outcomes are in the form of commitments for addressing forestry challenges but also recommendations as to how you can support youth into the future the third point I want to make is that integrated solutions require a new way of thinking and this is where we see young people being able to come in and the last point I'll make is that we as young people are key stakeholders in many of the issues that we're looking at here today and we need to be better integrated into future events and policy dialogues so my first point the youth session over 120 people a mix of students young professionals and also senior professionals perhaps young at heart came to this event we broke into groups run by our youth moderators and we ran discussions on topics that related to the summit themes it was so exciting seeing how interactive and participatory and engaging this session was um and I see we're here on a panel one of the things we're talking about is dialogue well I see the youth session as being dialogue in one of its truest forms after two days of this summit I look at you and ask you what engages you what challenges you to think differently what inspires you to come up with new ideas do you really just want to hear more statistics are you really looking forward to another standard PowerPoint presentation or do you want something new and different if nothing else I would say that everyone here could learn something from this new and exciting approach of young people we came up with so many insightful and actionable commitments I can't go through all of them here today but I just want to highlight two key points that we raised in the climate space young people are already engaging on many fronts from high level policy and advocacy all the way down to the grassroots level and we are committed to continuing to work to build our skills and our knowledge and to seek opportunities to help us to continue to engage in these projects in the future however we need support and one recommendation that I thought was really interesting was the need for provision of seed funds for youth driven climate change projects so that young people have a chance to learn on the job and test our own solutions we're also committed to using our networks and social media to target campaigns and actions for green investment but we need mentors so another recommendation was that experts from existing forums such as the ASEAN economic community work with existing youth groups as mentors to help build our understanding of the most pressing green investment issues and also helping us make informed and coherent policy recommendations but what else can we contribute I think one of the key messages or questions that we've been asking over these past two days is how can we come up with a different paradigm or different approach to growth and development well this requires change and change requires something new yes it requires new science and new commitments but in my mind it requires a whole new way of thinking we often get told as young people that we need more knowledge more experience before we can actually contribute in any meaningful way well I would say even if we don't necessarily know more perhaps our unique way of approaching problems and thinking about things is just what everyone here needs in order to fundamentally change our way of thinking the other point I wanted to make is there's a danger of youth being boxed in as some homogenous group and kept off to the sidelines but we're so much more than just youth we're students I know there's a large group of students in the audience today and we want to have a say in the future of our forestry education we're also as has been highlighted the next generation of forestry professionals so we have a key stake in any projects or discussions on capacity building and like many of you we're part of our local communities and I think that youth have the capacity to work as a bridge between these communities and between government and the private sector to help work towards ensuring equitable development and benefit sharing I want to thank C4 for the support they've given to youth but I also want to question is having purely a separate sideline youth session really the best way that we can integrate a young voice into the discussions today I think it was fantastic seeing our young moderator Yi Ying I don't know where she's gone but it was great seeing that young presence all throughout today as an emcee and I would ask where are the young panelists where are the young reporters where are the young representatives in all these areas that I've just mentioned how can we better integrate youth across the entire event and policy dialogue I don't want to take up any more of your time but I did want to share a quote with you many of you will know of Jack Westerby a former FAO forester and he closed an Australian timber Congress back in the 60s well before I was born by putting to the audience this is an old Congress and I think you need to work to make sure that the next one is not an old Congress some of you are some of you are managers some of you are directors it would pay your companies better to have you spend a week on the golf course and to send one of your youngsters instead so I'll leave this as a challenge to you and also get you to ask how can you commit to supporting youth in forestry into the future thank you thank you Sarah I will make a commitment right away for the next for the next conference we will lower the medium age of the panels by 10 years okay I would like to give an opportunity to all of the panelists if you have heard something that you would like to comment as a final remark before we move on with the agenda Shinta you prefer us you have had a long time to reflect now do you have anything you would like to comment on at the end I just think it's it's you know it's important that we see this effort being done together and I think you know hearing from the youth side and I was hoping we can also have the Indonesian youth here I don't know whether they are any here but I think bringing them in is a very big component because we are talking about the future and I think we are the private sectors and NGOs and the government we always look at ourselves on from different wavelength you know and I think it's important that this again the stress of the importance of the collaboration and how we can view the long-term and invest basically for our future great thank any other panelists want to come in at this point I have to answer your question absolutely I have not answered your question right in terms of how do we work together tomorrow I have to ensure that the so-called perceived silo receive a real is a being bridge you see I went I went meet with the ministries and I understand that actually at heart and the intent and the thinking is toward an integrated approach but they are trapped in the system and so when I offer that we work together consolidate the good things that has been done and put into the right track for red plus achievement as the president promised I get a very very positive response and I think that is not only happening with the ministries or the agencies but that also happens with the NGOs and others so I am very very much optimistic cautious as it has at the future we can work together and with this kind of response from the community the job that has to be done it's very complex it's not something that is not unsurmountable we can still do it but only if we do it together thank you more I think about these is this one yeah thank you very much it is obvious what Paheru and Ibusinta just mentioned right no particular dimension of the solution or element into what we want to achieve regarding forest and landscapes can be tackled by one institution let alone one individual cannot be tackled by a government cannot be tackled by the private sector alone can it's a system that moves together and what I think Paheru say we went in circles and so on we have been as a group of people interested in this talking about this for years and we always leave something behind something that in itself might not look important that in itself is obviously not sufficient but that prevented the reductions of the rate of deforestation the sustainability whether is social conflict because nobody thought about the the rights and and the presence of indigenous people or whether somebody didn't didn't think about the enforcement of a particular regulation so that I think that this attitude that nobody can solve it nobody meaning no institution no government no sector of society by itself it's a great contribution the other part is that again forests don't exist in isolation societies want to grow want to grow richer want to be more prosperous right but and and there are people who have the desire to develop you know their livelihoods and so on so this is a problem that has to be worked by all together and it is an important such an important problem that there is no other option but to reach across and get it done and I'm very excited to see that you manage to achieve this conversation and this conference Peter congratulations yeah I think maybe last thing from me I would like to I mean now is the couple of company already making move and also here I would like to put open invitation for the other business sector to making any more move I saw for example April here I'm in fight April now to become another no deforestation company I would like to see that soon and I see another as a business as here also we need more if you're talking about landscape for example APB just announced one million hectares landscape approach for the conservation and we're talking about Bukit Tiga Pulu for example or Kampar Peninsula it's not only one company is there there's a lot of companies there is a palm oil company there is a local people indigenous people and the kind of thing and this is something that we need to work together everybody should work together to working on landscape otherwise there is no there is no landscape making sure the indigenous people right is there so you know people can can making sure they feel safe when they're working together as you know in the landscape in the landscape level so I think opportunities now and now is the time to to act no more you know no more talking I think no more talking do something more on the ground I believe the youth want to see more trees is safe they don't want to President SBY yesterday in fighting to counting trees that he already planned I'd expect we can counting that so in the next year the youth can say oh there is a 53s is lost so with the 53s it's all if want to follow up a little bit on on what Rodrigo said and maybe also Pajero in terms of funding mechanisms because I think there are two issues in a way one is the level of funding available which is one problem that needs to be tackled I think also I mean in terms of the mechanisms the toolbox we have those tend to be siloized as well so there tends to be funding for private sector it tends to be funding for agriculture tends to be funding for forest for landscapes there has been very very little so together with our friends in the US and the UK and the World Bank was set up something called the biocarbon fund initiative which is supposed to fund landscape level programs where there's an opening for collaborations between civil society private sector local governments so of course my hope is that we will be the most advanced here in Indonesia so the first program coming on stream in this global initiative will be here in Indonesia so let's make that happen I got the chance to have the last word again I just wanted to make a brief comment so I said something about we need a new way of thinking and approaching things and I think this landscapes approach is one new way of thinking and I think it's really great that we're having this conversation across sectors and stakeholders I think it's really important I went to a session on forestry education and I haven't yet seen this way of thinking or landscapes perspective integrated into forestry education and skills training and so if we're wanting a future of forestry professionals that are able to manage our forests and landscapes I think it's really important that everyone here who works in universities research institutes anything that has a capacity building role for youth actually starts to have that conversation and starts to I guess increase the awareness of these new approaches so that we can actually take on this challenge in the future great thank you thank you and thank you to the whole panel let's give them a hand so we're coming to our close before we do that I want to take this opportunity to thank all the forest Asia partners first of all our host country partner the ministry of forestry of Indonesia and our coordinating partner global initiatives your support has really been essential throughout the planning and the whole development of this summit secondly our funding partners they've ensured that we can provide all the logistics and the services and the food and the coffee still for a conference of this size thanks to australian aid us aid norad dfid lots of acronyms here crp fda whatever that means european union it's a c it's a cdrc for acronym i know exactly what it means so i'm not offending anyone that's my point european union german corporation and the cdr fund and another important thank you to our supporting partners who have helped to support the special sessions throughout the whole conference aqua danon asian korean forest corporation kredi swiss demeter i bc sd cad in indonesia un environment program and the world agroforestry center thanks also to our media partners who have publicized and promoted this event veritas attu green radio and compass finally thank you to all our session organizers exhibitors the landscape issues marketplace presenters and to all participants of the summit i think we should give all of us and all of you a collective thank you and as it happens i will not have the final word instead i would like to invite agus perromo from who is from the council of climate change in indonesia and works for the office of the president to come up and have the final word agus please thank you bitter distinguished guests participants of the forest asia summit 2014 we now come to the close of what has been by all accounts my all testimonies a successful and productive discussion it is my pleasure my honor to make a closing remarks and express our gratitude the government of indonesia gratitude to all those who have contributed we have sharing knowledge best practices from the ground on better managing its forest landscapes and to contribute on the regional experiences to accelerate the shift toward the green economy i would like to repeat what dr holmgren has said we want to thank the speakers moderators organizers and wish the complement see for the ministry of forestry our colleague the host organizations who have been successful to bringing out issues and highlights of the pertinent aspects of landscape for sustainable green growth in southeast asia i just want to conclude with a remarks about the future first of all as we are all aware of though we probably didn't discuss a lot in the next months or so we will have a presidential election here in indonesia there will be change in indonesia a change of president a change of the cabinet and perhaps other changes will happen just like in other democracies changes will happen on a regular basis for better for worse now i'm not a clairvoyant so i don't know who will be the next president nor i also don't know what he or she will do but hearing the statements in the closing plenary hearing the commitments of the people sitting in front of us here i got a sense that whatever the next government going to do on the issue of landscape on the issue of forest they will have to hear to the people sitting in front of us the government have said many times that governments cannot do it alone what humbles me is also when hearing ibu cinta stating that the private sector cannot do alone perhaps the others saying the same thing no one can do alone so because of that the collective representative in front of us here all of you also are the building blocks of the future of indonesia i invite you to give advice to the next government on what to do with the sustainable landscape and what will be your contribution to it as you have said as you have done in the past and you are committed to do in the future no president can ignore you so i know for sure that in five months time not only my boss the president can retire with a warm heart but i can i can also follow suit in looking into what will be probably the what you call it vanguard the the guardians of the sustainable landscape not only for indonesia but also for southeast asia and for the rest of the world you in your respective field in your respective contributions will all bring what we have committed today into a reality i've seen a new dna of indonesia a new dna of developing country that aspire for sustainable landscape for green growth in the making giving it time to fully develop and we will have that future so have a safe trip home drive safely if you're still staying for a night or two enjoy jakarta and bring back the collective memory that it doesn't matter who will lead a country what matters is all of us the constituency of the country are in agreement that we want to have a green growth country thank you peter