 Guys ready for Nintendo Prime podcast? Episode 8! How's it going, everyone? Hopefully everything's working. It better be. If it's not, I'm going to have to go and kill the stream gods tonight. We have a lot of live podcasts for you guys. Episode number 8 of the Nintendo Prime podcast. As always, you can go check out our podcast everywhere that podcasts are had. Obviously we got our video version here live on YouTube either tonight or tomorrow. It'll also be up on iTunes, anchor.fm, whatever app. There's a little podcast app pretty much everywhere. I think it's even on Spotify. We are everywhere that podcast can be. So that being said, welcome. We have a special guest today as always because we don't do podcasts without guests. What's a podcast without a guest? I mean, I guess it's a podcast because some people just have really good co-hosts. Is that a slant against you, Eric, or is it a slant against me? Wow. Anyways, Eric Moore, cross the way for me. He'll be the one that will be with us for the entirety of our E3 coverage. And speaking of E3 coverage, we're going to have Mr. Andre's restart who's up on the screen here for you guys. Welcome, man. Good evening, man. How you doing? Pretty good. We got some awesome stuff to talk about today. I'm pretty pumped about it. Yeah. Hope you guys can hear me correctly. It looks like there's a little bit of audio stuttering at first. Hopefully it kind of smoothed out. Yeah, I hope so. It sounds good to me. So welcome, welcome, welcome. So yeah, he's going to be joining us as well live during some of our E3 coverage. So that's going to be exciting as well. And also be sure to check out his channel for all of his videos, E3 coverage. He does kind of like me. He covers the rumors. He covers the things he wants to talk about. He put out a video, I think, earlier today. So go check that one out. Yeah, that was all like third party stuff kind of like third party collaborations and things of nature like the whole Nintendo, Microsoft thing, Bandit 3, whatever Mercury Steam is working on, maybe a new Sonic game, maybe a new Mario Rabbids game. So yeah, check it out. Yeah, awesome. So we got a bunch of topics for today. We'll be talking about those Donkey Kong rumors. We got monolith stuff as well. Some of those rumors are heating up. They're not really new rumors, but it's more like there's just more sources for those rumors now than there was before. So kind of like with Donkey Kong, there's some slightly new information with Donkey Kong, but it's really just more sources piling up from trusted outlets and all that jazz. So we have that talk about we're going to speculate, of course, about E3 2021 because guess what, guys? We are one month away from E3. Yeah. Are you guys excited? I'm very excited. I can't wait. It's every day things are just getting increasingly more and more interesting. The rumors are piling up. The news are piling up. And I mean, I personally think this is going to be a very, very strong showing, at least from Nintendo. There's there's a lot we're hearing about. Oh, yeah. So it's pretty exciting as one month away from our E3 extravaganza as well. You guys don't know what that is. We're putting on a show within a show. Yeah, of course, we're reacting to everything. You can see all of the Nintendo stuff, Microsoft, Sega, Square, all of it's going to be right here at Nintendo Prime live as it happens. Us reacting to it. You guys reacting with us as well. We have all of our giveaways, $3,500 plus worth of giveaways growing every single day. And we have just exciting competitions going on. Hot Chip Challenge between Eric and I where a loser in Smash gets to on day one, by the way, during the pre-show. So someone's going to be suffering for like the next 10 hours of that stream. I mean, Eric's like, I can handle it. No problem. We'll see. We'll see. He's probably going to beat me. So then I have to handle it. And I'm the one that does a lot of the talking. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'll make it happen. So you're going to have to throw it? No. We'll keep some milk on hand here by Justin Case. Yeah. That is the go-to. I also like how a little bit of celery sticks sometimes help a little bit for me as well. So we'll have that going on. We also have competitions for you guys where you can play against Eric or I, and things like Mario Kart Smash, et cetera, and win prizes. Unfortunately, I can't have every single one of you play. It's going to be a sign up sheet that happens during the show. And then we will just pick a random person up that sheet, and hopefully they reply to us. So one thing you're going to want to do is head down to the description and find the link to our Discord server, because that's where I'm going to be nabbing people to send them my friend code and get things set up on the Smash end of things or whatever game we end up playing because my friend code is not going to go public. I've done that before. It's a mistake. So that being said, let's get into the show. Shall we start with the new stuff that happened today, the Donkey Kong? That's kind of the new stuff today, right? I mean, it's not new for me, not new for Andre, but it's new for everyone else that doesn't believe people like Samus Hunter because they think that they're full of shit. Yeah, it's weird. There's these, okay. Can we just talk about Samus Hunter for a moment? There are these people that are out on Reddit, trying to argue that Samus Hunter is not real and not legit. It's just posting other people shit, and they put up a thread where there's eight different things that Samus Hunter posted that other people posted first, right? So you'd be like, oh, she's just stealing it. Well, what about the other 40 things she's posted? One of them being Donkey Kong. She was the first person to post about Donkey Kong, and this was back in January, that she actually first mentioned a new DK game. So it's one of those things that's like, okay, yeah, so multiple people that have connections are saying things. It doesn't mean that one's fake and one's not, right? That's great. All I care about, by the way, because I'm not Samus Hunter, I don't know who she's talking to. I have an idea of who she's talking to, but I don't know. I'm not her. What I do know is that everything she puts out there ends up becoming happening real legit. And for our purposes as a channel, covering rumors, covering news, trying to get information out there, all I care is that what we're reporting has a high likelihood of being correct. And what she puts out has a high likelihood of being correct. So the funny thing is, one of the things that she put out, the Donkey Kong stuff, essentially got the confirmation everyone was waiting for today before it's announced, because it's probably getting announced at E3, from what it sounds like. It's going to be one of the E3 announcements. So let's get you all caught up here. So the original rumor from Samus Hunter was that we were getting a new Donkey Kong game main made by the Super Mario Odyssey team, EPD Tokyo, okay? Awesome. That's already exciting in and of itself, right? That's a team that makes awesome games. And Odyssey is obviously a very well-received game. So that's exciting. So we have that happening, right? And then they go on to say, there's going to be 3D elements in the game. Now, does that mean that it's a 3D Donkey Kong game? Maybe. It could also just be like Tropical Freeze, which was, you know, side scrolling, but had 3D elements in the game. So Samus Hunter never said it was a 3D Donkey Kong game. He said, hey, you know, 3D was brought up. Doesn't mean that, you know, it might not mean what you think it does. Well, then today, there's been other people that talked about it. Zippo talked about the DK stuff. So did Zippo as a leaker out on Reset Era. And then another person brought it up. Lonely Goomba brought it up on Twitter. Nice. But Lonely Goomba said, I don't believe it, right? So Lonely Goomba's like, I'm just hearing about the stuff and I don't think it's real. Well, Nintendo Life. You guys know about that outlet? I don't know if you know about it. They're like, they never heard of it. Never heard of it. No one Nintendo news website in the world. Not even based in the US. For those who don't realize that. They're out in the UK. But here's the thing. They covered the rumors and they said, oh, by the way, we have heard the exact same thing that all these other people are saying from our own independent source who we have verified and is legit and is basically someone they have gotten a bunch of correct information from in the past. So Nintendo Life has their own source that probably works at Nintendo that is telling them, yeah, this is real. The only thing they said that their source clarified is that it will be a 2D side-scrolling game. Yeah. Okay. So that's what Nintendo Life is saying. Nintendo Life did say, hey, but that's just what he's telling us. It could also be a little smoke coverage. He could be saying 2D to bring expectations down and then blow you out with a 3D. That's something that Nintendo might do to be in contact with and trying to confirm this kind of stuff. So that's what... And then we got Andre over here has a little tip in his own. Yeah. So everything that you said is like, what we've heard about, we were talking about Donkey Kong since like January, right? Maybe even a little bit before then. I'll just tell you straight up, I've been talking about the premise of a new Donkey Kong on Switch for probably a couple of years, but in terms of hearing that something's actually happening, it's been the last few months, at least throughout 2021. And then more recently, both you and I, we heard about Samus Hunter, we heard from that, and she spoke to me privately about that a little bit more. But I'll also say, I've personally heard things that are private that have corroborated all of that information. And just for the record, other things Samus Hunter has said as well. So basically, from different angles in terms of the logic of everything Samus Hunter has said, it all seems like something that I would predict to happen, right? But then there's also the angle of just this consistent track record. And then there's the fact that all of her things line up with other insiders that are known publicly. And then what I've personally heard, right, which of course take that with a grain of salt because he's kind of like, dude, trust me, right? Like that's my source here. But from what I've heard personally, everything she sort of said kind of matches up as well up to this point. But what I recently heard is that they are already kind of working on like the marketing for this Donkey Kong game. A title isn't set in stone yet. Now that's what I heard. Maybe that's not entirely true, right? But it does seem like this game is some of the markets, right? But it does seem like they are close to kind of showing it off. It feels like the impression is that this game isn't far off. This isn't like a bayonetta situation or a Prime Force situation where they're just going to say, Donkey Kong coming to switch. Like when we see this, we're probably going to get gameplay is the impression at least, right? And I'm not saying there's like a whole bunch of footage out there or anything like that, but basically they've seen material and the material seems something like what Retro would do. That's what I've sort of heard. I'm not saying it looks like Tropical Freeze necessarily, but it does seem kind of like a natural evolution of that. Maybe take with that what you will. But to me, it's just kind of additional information supporting the idea that this is all legitimate. And yeah, I definitely think it's happening. I think E3 is a good bet for it being announced. That's not necessarily going to happen. I just want to point that out. So if E3 comes around, then we don't actually get confirmation. Don't assume that it's fake because sometimes things take a couple years. Look at Skyward Sword HD, for example. Yeah, I think this is very much real. Yeah, and to add to that, Samusutra told me and Nintendo Life inferred that this is the 2021 game. This is a game coming later this year. So even if the title isn't final at E3, doesn't mean that it's not going to come this year. I do think the title is probably final inside EPD. Yeah. Nintendo EPD. They just might not have shared it out to anyone or they're just waiting. I think it's one of those things where they know these rumors exist. Nintendo is not stupid. They just don't want the title to get out so they're not sharing it with people. They might not even be sharing it with the marketing teams. They might not even see what the final trailer is going to be that's shown that might have the title at the end. That's one of those things we'll see come E3. The consensus seems to be, we're going to see this at E3. This is a game that's a lot closer ready to go than people might think. But again, if it's been made by the Odyssey team this whole time, they've had years to put into this. Another thing Nintendo Life pointed out is that they wanted to specifically mention this is not a Donkey Kong Country game. It's not going to be called a Donkey Kong Country game. It's not going to be in the Country line of games. They want to differentiate it from the Country series, which is interesting when Audrey brings it up. Oh, it kind of looks like a Country game. But maybe that's just what meets the eye in a marketing material on a screenshot. Right. Gameplay might be nothing like it. Yeah. Right. But it's weird though because supposedly it's the Odyssey team. The Mario Odyssey team makes 3D Mario games. Mario Odyssey, 3D World, the Galaxy games. What's interesting though is that team, before they moved on to 3D Mario, they made Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, which was a side scroller, but it had more of like a physical sort of oomph to them because the boss fights were other Kongs that Donkey Kong would fight and brawl out with them. It's a really cool thing and you could use the bongos back in the game if you was peripheral. So maybe they're going to go back in that direction if they want to differentiate here. If this is actually 2D. I'm personally still a little skeptical of that. I mean, obvious, I think we probably should maybe assume 2D just so we're not disappointed, especially if Nintendo Life is saying that they've heard that. They're pretty trustworthy. But it's just kind of weird because this is the Mario Odyssey team. They've made mostly 3D stuff. They experiment with 2D things within their games. Like they do a lot of like quasi-hunt. I also wonder, if you guys remember back to Mario Odyssey, they had 2D elements in that game that maybe that this game does both. Right. And that's all the Mario Odyssey and right now are like screenshots of the 2D parts, but maybe that's a whole, you know, mechanic in the game. And there is, it is a 3D. That's why everyone is saying, even Nintendo Life when they said, hey, our source said this, but it doesn't mean it can't be a 3D Donkey Kong. It's just kind of the material out there doesn't seem definitive on what it is at this moment. It will be definitive when we see the trailer. But it sounds like from what I have heard, all these marketing people that have access don't have footage. What they have is marketing material being worked on and only so much information. Like you said, no titles, right? They don't have access to the damn title, let alone are they going to know for sure if it's 2D or 3D or both. They have access to some screenshots that they're going to use in their marketing materials. But it's one of those situations that we'll have to play wait and see. I want to give a little bit of a shout out to Taker610 in the chat who's watching this podcast live. He did do a little $2 Super Chat quick. He says, the hypersensitive world can't take Funky Kong. Funky Kong. So, I want to throw this to Eric. So, Audrey, I did a lot of talk about what this game could be. It definitely sounds like it's a real thing that's happening. Expect to at least see it at E3. Eric, what are your thoughts? I know you like Donkey Kong. I don't play much for games, but I do like Donkey Kong and the character. I know you love DK and the character. What I'm hoping for is actually they do kind of the Mario Odyssey type of thing to it where it's kind of open world and go to different... Maybe you visit other past games and play the levels. Some of the levels from it. They just update it and add a few elements to it. You have your blend of your 2D, 3D. That'd be really kind of cool to see. Revolutionize the series a little bit again because that seems to be what they're doing with their major titles with the Switch is revolutionizing it and kind of going in that direction. Open world. That'd be kind of cool. I want to throw an idea at you guys. Especially Eric because you have that love of the previous Donkey Kong. So, you look at what the Odyssey team did with Mario Odyssey. They say it's a spiritual successor to Mario 64 but when you look at the gameplay style it's very more along the lines of the collect-a-thon. Maybe the gameplay is perhaps more similar to Banjo-Kazooie than it is to Mario 64 which I think is kind of interesting. But if you go back to the N64 when we got that one 3D platforming Donkey Kong game Donkey Kong 64 was kind of... It was made by Rare. Rare also made the Banjo-Kazooie games. They're very similar in terms of gameplay. So, when you consider that the Odyssey team has this Odyssey engine a 3D platforming game that's perhaps more similar to Banjo-Kazooie than it was in Mario 64 in some ways and they're going back to Donkey Kong well the expectation probably should be 2D because disappointment and all we have a little source suggesting. So, I feel like they could very much so make kind of like a proper 3D Donkey Kong. Do it right. I love Donkey Kong 64 when I was a kid, right. There were issues but I think those issues could be rectified with a proper game nowadays made by the Odyssey team using an adaptive form of that engine like I think there's a lot of potential there. When I talk about this, like what do you guys think make of that? Dude, does that sound exciting? Does that sound plausible to you guys? Yeah, I mean it sounds exciting for sure because I mean I like... 64 was my era for sure. I played a lot of that and so you know those games, you know it's Banjo-Kazooie was my thing for sure and so any games kind of similar to that I'm all for. Yeah, like ukulele Yeah, I mean ukulele was a little bit the controls were a little bit loose for me but it's funny with the controls of that game too because I went back after and I played the original Banjo and it was just as loose and it makes me feel like I think we're just used to more modern games and they're tighter today than they were back then. Yeah, well and I think it's probably more because I Installed ya. No, not just that but I put in so many more hours into Banjo-Kazooie that I knew how to control the characters Sure, they're a little bit different in this game. Yeah, so I think it's more of that too where I knew how to control the characters I can make them do what I wanted where ukulele, you know when you're doing that little spinny ball thing that is one of the harder things to control at least for me, you know and I didn't really put a whole lot of time into it which is unfortunate because it's not a bad game by any means Yeah Donkey Kong I like what you were laying out there Andrei, I like the possibility of just what this could be looking back at some of the older games like the DK64 era because I feel like a lot of people do. DK64 was a very good proof of concept poorly executed whereas they've learned a lot since those days. One of the weird things with Nintendo and this is one reason why I think some people might be disappointed if it's just a side scrolling DK game which by the way a side scrolling DK game made by the Mario Odyssey team is going to be excellent Yeah, it's going to be awesome It's going to be a great game I think what people down about that is one obviously the hype of this is the Odyssey team and two Nintendo seems to not want to have another 3D platforming game How many 2D side scrolling platforming games does Nintendo have? A ton of them Kirby, Donkey Kong They're easier to put out Metroid, Yoshi like all these games they are easier to put out but they got no problem spitting out 3D Mario Why does Mario have to be the only game that we get 3D entries in and the 3D Mario games? Okay, Odyssey sold phenomenal, 20 million I feel like Nintendo needs to be willing to take more risks and try to get more, it's kind of like why do they only have one action adventure game with Zelda Why can't we have more? Why is there only one Metroidvania game? Why is there only one 3D platforming game? Why can't we have more of them? And Nintendo used to experiment in that way and they kind of don't kind of play it safe. I'm not saying they play it safe with new IPs Odyssey Splatoon 2 they didn't play it safe there they didn't play it safe with ARMS they didn't play it safe with that one on DS the cyber, punk style America, Abraham Lincoln whatever it was I have some thoughts on this though Yeah My perspective is just that because you look at the Wii U situation that was complete failure so I think because the Wii U was not going to be a great success and they started you can kind of tell that they weren't playing all of their developmental efforts into Wii U games like Star Fox Zero I think is a great example of that they could have done so much more but they didn't I think they really just kind of put all of their eggs into a strong switch launch which is why 2017 is almost indisputably the best year ever from Nintendo March to December was just a stellar amount of killer content from Nintendo and then if you look at all the other years there's solid content but nothing really compares to 2017 second half of 2019 is pretty close it is close I'll give you that but I'll say that Luigi's Mansion 3, Fire in the Three Houses some of my favorite games on Switch but they're still not better than Breath of the Wild Mario Odyssey or Xenoblade 2 not to me personally at least but that wasn't it they also had Pokemon Sword and Shield come out that year they had Astral Chain come out, Daemon X Makina right it was strong strong strong very strong that was all the second half by the way guys that is a crazy second half which is why I'm optimistic for the second half of 2021 it could be a similar situation there where it's kind of like every two to three weeks we get some sort of Nintendo published title right kind of like then because they had this switch like forward I hope it's right I mean they kind of did to support new hardware they had the switchlight during that period in September if I remember correctly Switchlight and Link's Awakening came out at the same time and Dry and Quest 11S which Nintendo published and that was kind of like built basically from the ground up to be a proper better version on Switch that came out in the same month and there were games before that and afterwards it was a crazy time to your point but I guess what I was trying to get at is just that Nintendo seems to have invested in a lot of things that they knew would do really well in the beginning of the switch so we kind of seen most of that like they knew all they would do well, they knew Mario would do well maybe not as well as they did but they wanted to make sure Switch was a success considering the failure of the Wii U they could not afford to fail again you know what I mean but maybe now the Switch has finally had that success perhaps now Nintendo might be a little bit more willing to experiment a little bit now they've gone out all of their main entries which is why you know maybe we'll see Metroid Prime 4 not too long from now maybe we'll see this Donkey Kong game and maybe it is more of an experiment as opposed to just another safe 2D side-scroller yep again we'll see we don't know none of us have seen the game so we don't know we're just hearing people behind the scenes talking about it people public facing talking about it all we know is it definitely seems like DK locked in for E3 2021 and then we'll see what it is we'll see what it is I know here's the thing Andre are you going to be disappointed if it's just a side-scrolling DK game? not really I think there's a lot of potential in the 3D Donkey Kong game because maybe that's what it would take to make Donkey Kong B come like a big series like the proposals that you want to reinvent it and have it be like back to the good old days but a 2D Donkey Kong game I mean Tropical Freeze is one of the best platformers of all time so if they could do something similar I would be super excited for that yeah it's funny what Samus Hunter said like they want Donkey Kong to be as big as it was like back in the old days it's like but the least successful game they released with Donkey Kong 64 so it's kind of like the good old days were Country and the SNES that's when it's all the best so I don't know I'm very interested to see I do like that even if it is 2D side-scrolling that Nintendo Life came out and said but they don't want it to be compared to a Country game which a 2D side-scrolling DK game would instantly be compared to the Country games so we'll see what happens I'm very curious to see this is a very creative team they've done a lot of creative things with Mario over the years and obviously with DK back in the day so let's see what they do here and E3 2021 cannot come soon enough so before we hop into our E3 speculation because obviously E3 is going to be kind of be like a central theme to every podcast from now to E3 right like I can tell you guys either from venturebeat and he's going to be talking about all of his stuff that he's been hearing for E3 not just with Nintendo with everyone so that's going to be that's going to be a really fun one as well we have more confirmation of rumors more reports have come out now that monolithsoft has a couple games like big games in the works one new Xenoblade no surprise Xenoblade has been growing in popularity on switch Xenoblade 2 was the best selling one I think Xenoblade definitive edition just passed it so like Xenoblade is the most popular it's ever been Nintendo is going to let it grow and it's funny because this is kind of an interesting thing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 best selling whenever 1.5 million if that would have happened with any other game at any other AAA studio they would have did exactly what Activision did with Crash 4 and said sorry not good enough you're going to go make Call of Duty Nintendo is like 1.5 hey that increased over the last one let's make another one that's what's nice about Nintendo they don't have to have every game be a 10 20 million seller for them to want sequels they just want to see positive momentum in the series they were seeing negative momentum with Fire Emblem back in the day which is why they said if Awakening didn't sell well that was it because the momentum was going the opposite way now the momentum is going up for Fire Emblem throwing some waifus you know and all of a sudden everything everything's all better yeah so yeah so that is one thing new Xenoblade game anyone shot by that apparently it's pretty far along that was the one thing that we heard today that I thought was interesting is that Xenoblade Chronicles the new one I don't know if they're calling it 3 I don't know what they're calling it is pretty far along potential to be shown off at E3 2021 is what I heard but that's just potential I think it's going to come down to is it coming out this year or next year but it's going to be later next year they might hold off and reveal it in a future Nintendo director or something I want to point out a couple observations I've made in the past sure in reference to this because and it kind of lines up with what Samus Hunter was saying by the way which kind of goes back to what I was saying is that a lot of the things she's saying are kind of like predictions myself and others have sort of made that seem kind of like to make a lot of sense so on the note of Xenoblade we know that they've been working on multiple products for a few years already they had hires in 2017 they had hires in 2019 they've been continually building up their teams we're working on multiple projects right now but what's interesting is that we get Pyro and Mithra this year and you look at that Smash reveal trailer that Smash reveal trailer was different than any other Smash reveal trailer we've ever seen they even said that Monolithsoft made that reveal trailer and Sawkray simply oversaw it they've never done that before this is a unique situation and when we first saw that trailer at the beginning of the February Direct people were under the impression myself included that at first I thought Smash obviously but then as a Geron I was like wait there's a lot of story stuff here they're really exploring the whole world of Xenoblade 2 is this some sort of expansion of Xenoblade 2 and then no it was still Smash again but it was a bit of a roller coaster there because of the way it was presented and the reveal for Pyro and Mithra actually boosted Xenoblade 2 sales it kind of makes me wonder if maybe this is part of some sort of grander marketing plan to come out with Xenoblade 3 later this year we've seen a ton of this before for example like with Luigi's Mansion they had the Castlevania characters revealed for Smash Brothers and Luigi had a big role in that and then a few months later what happened they revealed Luigi's Mansion 3 so it wouldn't surprise me if this was meant to me maybe be some sort of build up towards a Xenoblade 3 of some sort yeah I mean that's what it seems like right now he I don't know I mean Xenoblade is growing in popularity been talked about for a while Andre's been speculated on the stuff for a while I don't know if you guys have checked out his channel if you don't please go subscribe I would love to get Andre's restart to 10,000 sales before E3 that would be amazing I think he's at what 9,300 something somewhere around there yeah we've got to get about 650 to get there let's go with 10k have him hit a nice milestone here before yeah I'd appreciate it guys for E3 he puts out guys he's a very underrated youtuber I'm letting you guys know right now even the video he put out today I saw it was kind of like underperforming compared to some why it is so good I watched the whole thing on my lunch break guys go watch his stuff it's awesome thank you my friend so as he talked about stuff he was already speculating that's now getting rumors and confirmations here's the thing they're also working on a new IP they've been doing this for quite some time they were hiring for a new IP for years this is like this goes back before Nintendo Prime was even a youtube channel before Xenoblade Chronicles 2 came out it's been something that's been known for a long time was speculated way back in the day when I ran ZeldaInformer.com that it was for a Zelda game because Monolithsup has helped out with Zelda games so it was like oh it must be for a Zelda game it sounds like as they keep hiring what does it have to do with Zelda and Monolithsup did have like higher 40 people recently some of them literally listing Zelda as part of the hiring so like yeah those 5 people they hired that's for the Zelda the rest nobody knows so I think they obviously have a new IP coming and the funny thing about that is we just talked about how Xenoblade Chronicles whatever it is 3x 2 whatever it's going to be is so much further along it's probably ready to go either this year or next year apparently so is the new IP and that was something that came out today potentially the new IP and what came out the other day is one of the lead music directors for the Xenoblade series posted a thing saying that he's about to do or just finished up it was one of the two a symphony recording session for a game he's working on for Monolith is it for the new IP is it for Xenoblade adding music to the game that's usually the latter half of development is when music comes into play so it's kind of like one of these two games I feel like are going to end up being an E3 one of them maybe both I have no idea that would be nuts yeah it I mean Monolith soft kind of like is like the glue that holds the title together it seems because they're working on many different games at Nintendo they've helped out with for example they help out with the Zelda games and they have several different studios that are making their own games it's just crazy how much Monolith soft does for Nintendo they are wholly owned by Nintendo I see people make that mistake a lot Monolith soft Xenoblade it's all 100% Nintendo but they carry so much weight for Nintendo one of my favorite studios I think they used to work for Square I think that's where the studio started with Square because people hear Xenoblade yeah there was a Xeno series before Xenoblade so you guys remember the name Square soft yeah well what do you think the soft from Monolith soft comes from right yeah like it there was a huge transition over the 90s to the early 21st century I think when we were getting the bad and kind of games on GameCube Monolith soft 30s sort of separated themselves but they weren't entirely owned by Nintendo yet no and then I can't remember I've read the story but basically Nintendo eventually just acquired the whole company and they've been doing a great job for Nintendo ever since kind of like when they grab extra studios right ended up turning into a great partnership they bought up the studio now it's a you know a wholly owned Nintendo place people still consider it you know like a second-party developer because it's not in Japan where Nintendo's headquarters are but anything they do Nintendo owns just like they now bought out that studio that made that we just mentioned so now they own that studio I was only making Nintendo games anyways for like the last decade so might as well I don't really think much really changes there more funding so besides that we so that's the Uniblaid rumors that's new IP rumors remember Shintura Furukawa said they're focusing on new IPs so this is probably one of them let's one thing about briefly much before I get the E3 speculation the trademark was recently re-up for bought in Kato's and that had people talking hmm I love bought in Kato's guys not the sequel I'm not a huge fan of the sequel with the original huge fan of that so I don't know if it's coming back re-upping trademarks isn't always really mean anything but the trademark was kind of left dormant for years and they brought it back why are they remastered at the very least it's something so it can make sure that maybe someday they can revisit it right they don't want to lose it I mean my hope is oh are we getting GameCube virtual console yes right tell you right now GameCube even if that rumored service comes true GameCube ain't going to be on that thing for a long time I hate saying that but anyways let's get into some E3 2021 speculations call it expectations call it whatever you guys want obviously we'll be focusing on Nintendo as usual although we can talk about some other companies and there are some things we hope come from them because Nintendo has a lot of partner companies in E3 of course and in Apgo, Square Enix, Sega all those companies could have games announced and they'll come to say Ubisoft Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom Metal 2 interesting thing about Ubisoft we'll get into that later because we need to talk about the future of the game industry but we're going to get to that towards the end because it's something Ubisoft publicly announced that sucks oh yeah it kind of sucks in a way and the funny thing is if you pay attention the rest of the industry seems to already be doing it but before we talk about that let's talk about the fun stuff with E3 2021 speculations expectations etc Eric can you at least give me two games you absolutely want to see at E3 that's not Zelda absolutely 100% your choice pick of the lot any game that you ever could possibly want to exist announced at the E3 congress bad fur day 2 what's wrong with that it's going to be on xbox but who cares everyone would be happy about that I'd be excited for that I've taken that one away from you right now second one was another banjo game fine another time splitters game oh that's a good one I remember us playing bad time splitters coming back there has been some speculation out there about time splitters coming back some IP renewals and stuff like that I don't know if you guys remember time splitters because some of you guys might be too young to when that series is relevant but that was a really fun game back in the day played a hell a lot of it I think it was time splitters 2 played a lot of that on Gamecube the multiplayer was so crazy fun oh my god it was like golden eye iron crack it was great okay okay is there anything else that you have any hopes or expectations for E3 Eric I don't know Andre's got a lot of stuff honestly it would be nice to see that this is what we do it'd be nice to obviously see the Donkey Kong game some of the new stuff that is rumored to be out there and more than likely will it's always going to be nice to see those I just like seeing new games so you know it'll be interesting to see what the Indies what Indies get wrapped up in Nintendo's conferences hello night silk song I'm rooting for you come on come on come on so if we all put our hopes together maybe it'll be clear now anything else no it's just like I said it's just be interesting to see some of the newer indie games that kind of are highlighted by Nintendo things like that so I got to ask you Eric before we move on to Andre because me and Andre have quite a bit to say on this because this is what we do yeah let's presume Nintendo does Zelda 35th anniversary dump I don't know what they're going to but let's presume they do assume Breath of the Wild 2 what other Zelda games that you want to come back that you might actually consider trying out you didn't really play all the games growing up you watch me but you didn't play them yourself you just completed Breath of the Wild we talked about this last podcast congratulations which is a big deal for him he doesn't have that kind of time and he doesn't have the kind of dedication typically to beat really long games and he beat Breath of the Wild so and he didn't do it like oh I just completed the four you know I have all the shrines all of them and the DLC so he all of them got the master cycle and everything so the only thing I haven't completed yet is the third trial of the Master Sword I'm almost there I'm almost there I got to the second to last it's very hard it's very hard you get to a point where you're like so exhausted on resources and such and then you just see this giant army and you're like oh alright it was a good life that was fun yeah right so what games do you hope they announced that you might consider trying if they did um I mean Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess would be kind of your your three majors I don't know if they would redo Wind Waker considering that they've already had I mean wait they have already HDed quite a few of the other ones they have not HDed Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask they did we make them on the 3DS however yeah the other one they didn't do anything to 3D wise those three I think would be good because like I said like you said I've watched them all growing up I've watched Game Grumps play them I've you know it's one of those things that I've kind of gotten a little bit more into Zelda not that I haven't been into Zelda but Breath of the Wild kind of pulled me a little bit deeper and it would be kind of fun to go back and play any one of those you know old 3D Zelda games so whatever they bring I'll take with open arms yeah okay alright cool any other games from any other company that you could think of I mean we've briefly talked about Kingdom Battle 2 that would be that would be freaking amazing or like a spin off of it like Mario maybe a different character Donkey Kong Kingdom Battle Zelda Kingdom Battle that would be awesome that would be a little weird so was the whole concept of Mario plus Rabbids in the first place they let Mario have a gun yeah you're not wrong and not like one like in DK where it shoots peanuts an actual gun shooting laser beams so yeah no that would be kind of cool one of the Rabbids games you know I love the Rabbids Rabbids are hilarious any one of those whether it's a direct sequel to Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom Battle or a spin off where it's a different franchise coming in I know we've always talked about the Zelda Dungeon Maker type of thing and kind of along the veins of Mario Maker that would be kind of cool to see I know what they did kind of that test and links awakening so maybe that's going to lead off into an actual full blown game not saying necessarily going to happen this year but it would be kind of cool to have them hint at it during the Zelda blowout so that may or may not happen during E3 so that's kind of what I'm hoping for whether we'll get it or not you know it is what it is alright before we get to Andre quick good to respond quick to taker610 thank you so much for another $2 Super Chat he was giving that live during the podcast here and he says oompa loompa doopity do what is with Andre's hue a lot of that's the TV because we had to turn down the brightness on the TV otherwise it kind of blows out and makes Eric and I look too dark so then Andre gets to look a little darker than he normally would look even if he hit bright and the lights it's not really going to make a difference on our end that's just kind of the way it is it'll be better during E3 when we have guest on we have a different camera angle that lets us crank the brightness on the TV that's just the way it is on the podcast for the audio listeners listening on the video version we have a TV between Eric and I that has our guest on and so that's what he's talking about there on why he might look a little bit orange in comparison to Eric and I it's just it is what it is it's also one of the downfalls of doing the podcast live when we weren't doing it live I could do color correction after can't do that on a live podcast so that is what it is all right I get to look a little bit more like Charmander so there you go there you go you got to find the positives well the bandana is not on your head so you don't quite match your he's resting right now he's taking a little break so Andre, expectations for E3 go go go expectations not wishes right take a nap right so disclaimer right you take it all with a grain of salt right and you know there's just kind of like a lot of things that I think have a good possibility but when you kind of break it out all down it's not really likely that all of it will show up but maybe within the next couple years most of this will have come to fruition right so firstly I'll speak on the Mario Rabbids thing right because I talked about in my video today actually I believe that there is a sequel to Mario Rabbids coming why do I think that well one because the game was very successful they even had the Donkey Kong expansion two the game sold pretty well three there were interviews suggesting that they would like to continue working on that and you go back to when they first announced it like I believe some of the developers were actually crying on stage there was like a big emotional moment for them this was a big bonding one between Nintendo and Ubisoft as well so like the relations there with that project were very strong and this game came out back in 2017 the DLC came out back in 2018 but we're now in 2021 so if they decided to continue on with that project in any way we probably would start to see signs of that this year and we actually have because the Rabbids Twitter page has recently changed you have a Mario Rabbid as the profile page which is interesting because back before Mario Rabbids itself was revealed there were hints and teases leading up to it as well and I'll just tell you that I personally have heard that there is some sort of Mario RPG coming from Ubisoft this year so connect the dots you know it kind of all adds up it's a rumor right you don't know for sure thank you for giving me a video for tomorrow it is something that I am looking forward to seeing it's on my radar right so we'll see so that's one of my pseudo expectations because there's so many possibilities another one is a project from MonoSauce I don't think we'll see both at E3 even though theoretically it could happen again we know they've been working on a new IP of some sort since 2017 one idea I'll throw out at you guys not saying it's super likely but I'm just throwing it out as a possibility a new IP could technically also be a Zelda spinoff and if you look at the concept art from the hires they've done there's like this war you're looking Zelda with some sort of red dragon looks like Baloo in the background and there's this other one that actually has Triforce looking things and ruins I'm not saying it's actually a Zelda spinoff but you know it's all inspired it may be Zelda inspired is it finally that action adventure game I want them to have alongside Zelda that's what I want a new IP that's action adventure anyway sorry that's one of my hopes and dreams I've been waiting like 30 years for it and it still doesn't happen so someday I mean you look at the concept art for that like some of it looks kind of like dark soulsy almost right but there's also another possibility I'll throw out at you guys the monolith soft is working on some sort of MMO like game and I know that may sound a little crazy especially coming from Nintendo but consider that they updated their online servers this year Monster Hunter Rise is like the best playing online game yet and they randomly decided to add online to Super Mario Party the game came out years ago why it's just kind of very strange but it makes me maybe think that they're testing things out maybe they're gonna have some online sector games coming out soon maybe one of them is coming from Monolithsoft if you look at Xenoblade X that had some MMO like qualities but of course in the Wii was very limited maybe they got something brewing there either way something Monolithsoft they expect whether it's Xenoblade 3 or a new IP one of those things I think there's a good chance we see that at E3 another game is Bandit of 3 that game has been developed since 2017 I think there's a decent chance that they finally show it off that's alluded to us likely getting news this year so given that it was announced 3 and a half years ago maybe we finally get some news it doesn't even have to come out this year just news would be nice but I'll also say that I feel like Intel's gonna want a few like high graphical fidelity games that come out to support a Switch Pro so if that is coming out this holiday I think a Bandit of 3 or a Monolithsoft game would be a good like 1B title to support that the 1A bringing to my next sort of like expectation is Breath of the Wild too so I still think that there's a good chance it comes out for the holiday could be wrong of course there's COVID and all and all of these different things and then if the Switch Pro is delayed because of the semiconductor issue like there's all of these what ifs right but when Nintendo comes out and says that they're expecting to come out with at least 25.5 million units for the fiscal year that bodes really well for what they think they can put out this year maybe that suggests that they're gonna put out good hardware they're gonna put out good promotions they're gonna put out good software so I feel somewhat confident predicting Breath of the Wild too for the holiday which means yeah an E3 blowout and even if it doesn't come out for the holiday I think we're seeing Breath of the Wild too at E3 like that seems like pretty much a given I think when AGNUM has told us that we're getting details of a later date somewhere between June 12th and 15th is that date so that's gonna be there right to some extent at least going beyond that I think we'll finally get something announced Metroid I would love to see Prime 4 but I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that I'm gonna assume that we just get like hey we know you're excited about Metroid Prime 4 development's going well we'll share details on a later date just like for Zelda but we have something else to show you and the show like a 2D Metroid game which looks amazing and it's made by Mercury Steam which by the way I don't know if you saw this right but Mercury Steam, the 505 games is publishing their next Mercury Steam game so some people sort of took this to mean that Mercury Steam is not working on Metroid or they haven't but consider this back in 2017 the last time they came out with games they came out with two one of them was Metroid and then there was something else they could, it's entirely possible we could be looking at a similar situation here so just because 505 games is publishing something doesn't mean they weren't working on Metroid of course again it is a rumor that it's Mercury Steam it could be someone else, maybe it's Metroid it's not even coming but I feel pretty confident saying that Metroid is showing up at this E3 and I'll throw another thing at you so maybe not all of you love Fortnite but we did get that document leak or maybe it's not even defined as a leak but whatever it is, information has they literally published it during a lawsuit so it's not a leak but it information surfaced right came to light and it was a document we saw that had a whole bunch of things that were planned for Fortnite including like Naruto and LeBron James and Batman Batman saying Kratos and Master Chief were a part of that those were added but one thing that wasn't added that wasn't those documents was Samus now it makes sense to not have announced Samus for Fortnite yet because Nintendo hasn't announced the Metroid game yet maybe the plans fell through maybe they'd never even got as far as talking about with Nintendo it was just more of a hope but if it is going to happen I feel like it would happen once there's an actual Metroid game showing off to us so maybe at E3 we get some sort of Fortnite update for Samus in Fortnite because we're also getting a Metroid game later this year so I think that's a possibility you gotta be phenomenal at connect the dots my lord I mean it's pretty basic but this is advanced connect the dots this is this is Eric you don't watch my channel enough Andre and I get on the same wavelength on a lot of this stuff super quick connecting the dots is half of the fun of making youtube videos because yeah it's cool to talk about I'll say this I like talking about real news when real news happens but in the gaming industry especially talking about Nintendo you don't get real news all the time right and I'm not saying the rest of the content is filler the rest of the content is let's figure out what the next news is going to be and that is a lot of fun so connecting the dots posting with the rumors and leaks having our podcast conversation and we'll talk about other stuff as well as we have a conversation later about the future of the game industry that I think is a very important one to have and probably when I'll make a standalone video on or maybe I'll clip out that part of the podcast and make it its own thing because I think it's that important of a conversation even if I don't know if it's gonna do well view-wise I don't care the future of the game industry matters cool absolutely so I'll say that the Aethark thinks that your fox shirt is awesome he's super chatted just to say nice fox shirt nice Star Fox is awesome I don't have anything to say about Star Fox yet so I'm sorry but I do think someday I do think someday I would actually love it that's what it'll be I'll tell you that I would love it if they were to take the Star Link idea and accept it instead of it being Star Link it just being a full blown like Star Fox universe because I feel like the thing that held back Star Link was that it was a little bit too repetitious common thing once it would be stopped games unfortunately they're very grand in scope really great ideas but sometimes they perhaps need a little bit more depth I would say but perhaps if they were to scale things down a little bit and make it solely based off the Star Fox universe maybe we could actually explore the actual LILAT system instead of a random space place that would be amazing I would love it if they were to go in that direction and I don't think it's entirely impossible because I'm sure that Star Fox the Star Fox version of Star Link is what sold the best so maybe there's something there but I have no information suggesting so it's just something I would like to see someday but I also want to point out Gamer over Jesse said Metroid is not at E3 he will eat my left shoe if that happens I'll make sure to at least clean my shoe so it's hygienic at the very least but fingers crossed I'll have both my shoes I was moving out of my backyard making sure to step on some of my dog's crap and then we all did but I mean he's not eating my shoe so you don't have to worry about it that's just another package we'd have to send out yeah we have a set of a lot of packages after E3 maybe that's another giveaway Nate's left shoe that'll be a great one I do kind of like how we were talking about how a lot of this is connecting the dots because Nate to your point when we get new information it's just more to sort of sift through and figure out when we get that E3 direct that's like getting a really big puzzle piece once we get that big puzzle piece all the other circulating pieces we'll kind of put together like imagine like right now what we have is basically like the border of the puzzle and when we get E3 we're going to get like this big fat chunk that fills out the core and then we could just piece everything else together afterwards or a lot of it so yeah for me a lot of this is just like a giant puzzle so it's really exciting but I guess kind of like continuing on my expectations here so what we got we got Bandit 3, 2D Metroid Breath of the Wild 2 Maybe Monolith Soft Mario Rabbids Kingdom Battle Show me our intensity 5 actually I think that's like a given because that's slated for 2021 right so if it's not E3 it's getting delayed so fingers crossed it's not getting delayed and we see it at E3 on the note of third party games that we could see on switch I think we probably should get an update on triangle strategy as well oh sure that makes sense and assuming plans don't fall through according to Samus Hunter there's going to be a Splatoon 3 tournament so if there's going to be a Splatoon 3 tournament you got to think we're going to get a Splatoon 3 update at E3 as well right so if that's actually the case I think that that's a pretty decent bet the game is already announced so that kind of makes sense so for Splatoon 3 I think if they do do that Nintendo Treehouse tournament I feel like they might not show a Splatoon 3 trailer during the digital event part what they'll do is they'll kind of show a trailer right before they start the tournament or maybe even at the end of the tournament to get people to tune into that Splatoon 3 tournament more to see gameplay and then end up with a trailer or a story trailer or something because for those who don't know if you're not big into Splatoon yeah it's a multiplayer game and all that but it's got a overarching connecting story between all the games and the users directly affect that story and it's really cool how they do it because it's unlike all these other multiplayer shooters already from a gameplay perspective and also from a story perspective like the Splatfest matter it makes a difference in the way the story yeah what was the last one I've been trying to remember was it like was it like future or something something versus chaos yeah yeah order versus chaos and chaos which one won chaos won huh so I wonder right like you look at Splatoon 3 like it's like in this desert world like with the chaos lead to this entirely I mean it's a facet of hope and society but what's also interesting is that they did actually tease Splatoon 3 by the way so in case for some of you who doubt that Nintendo never teases things back last year the beginning of the year there was this piece of art celebrating 2020 but it was an SOS signal where there were salmonids begging for help crying for help people thought it was just for fun but as it turned out it was 100% a tease for Splatoon 3 because the salmonids are clearly a big part of the story as we see a salmonid following the inkling in the trailer so maybe we learn more about that E3 that'd be pretty cool yeah connecting the dots what I could see happening is they have just a small clip in the digital let's say you know for more information tune into our Splatoon 3 tournament where you'll see another trailer maybe it doesn't get like a big segment but at least I feel like it gets at least a mention during a direct I also think how good are you at connect 4 connect 4 depends on how tired I am connect 4 he's out of my connect 8 right now I didn't want to go too far ahead here because connect 4 it's all about anticipating future moves and planning ahead have you ever played competitive pokemon oh have I played competitive pokemon not in the last like 20 years I did back in the day yes so like competitive pokemon is kind of like a variation of chess as some competitive players would say because basically once you understand all the competitive mechanics and you got all the moves and the AV training and the IV bringing all that in place like a lot of what it takes to win is kind of thinking ahead thinking you know positioning your team and thinking what your opponent's going to do predicting what they're going to do and also positioning yourself steps ahead to the point where even if you get the prediction wrong where you see some bad luck you can still kind of make up for it I used to compete a lot with pokemon yeah exactly yeah pokemon is definitely one of my games but on that note of pokemon I think there's probably a pokemon presents before E3 oh yeah they never really did right right we're going to get pokemon news which again it makes sense that's how what history has shown say for 2020 it's how it's kind of been so I think you know don't be surprised we get like a pokemon presents like the first week of June or the last week of May yeah when that when that fake leak came out for the Zelda thing happening on June 11 I'm like I don't believe that but if you told me pokemon was happening June 11 I would believe that like yeah it should have happened before E3 but they literally it seems to always happen like the week right before E3 if there's pokemon games coming pokemon does their own thing and then you'll see treehouse footage of it and there'll be a demo on the show floor or something but they don't really talk about it much during the actual Nintendo direct portion of the show because pokemon already did it they gave you a whole presentation for it and again they have a lot to talk about I think obviously people are most excited to find out more about pokemon legends Arceus because they really want to know one I think people just want to see the game run a little bit better maybe not look so choppy that's number one and then number two okay what is the actual premise and like the point of this game like it looks so open world so what are we doing exactly besides just running around and catching pokemon or is that the goal to catch all the pokemon in the region that is what the game is it's so interesting right because like you could argue the slogan has got to catch them all right like so every pokemon game you could argue is about catching them all but it really isn't I've never completed my pokedex right I love pokemon I play it a lot I play the game all of it I focus more on just the competitive element of things right and I enjoy the story but I don't ever complete the pokedex my friends do and they just help me read more pokemon but legends arches is interesting because it might not really have a multiplayer aspect to it we haven't seen signs of multiplayer yet yet at the same time this is what game freak is working on the main pokemon team is making this and they're outsourcing the remakes and what's crazy about this is this might throw off the entire cycle of how pokemon is being handled because you guys aren't unaware the last like decade or so or even that every three years we see a new generation of pokemon so the pace right now with that pace would suggest they're supposed to get generation nine holiday 2022 but with legends arches being at the first actual full open world pokemon game being made by game freak coming out early 2022 does that mean we get generation nine at the end of the year or does that mean with way a little bit longer and that's interesting because if you consider all the I guess the flak that sword shield got maybe you know they are kind of extending things a little bit between the DLC as opposed to a third version and spacing things out a little bit more and outsourcing remakes maybe all of a sudden game freak has now more time to put together bigger more ambitious pokemon games so you know we're getting our first full on open world pokemon game but it might not be like a traditional style so definitely what we see at E3 are things will be very telling for the future of pokemon very much and we've talked about this prior episode a while back that it's very much a game freaks attempt to breath of the wild the pokemon series drawing direct correlations to the breath of the loud trailer very intentionally right we even have like the it sounds like the impa like narrator at the beginning mm-hmm yeah so it that seems to be the goal I don't know if anyone believes game freak can actually pull it off but maybe they've never had the time or the freedom or the backing to do it so maybe this is it and maybe when people think about next gen pokemon or what the next generation is going to be maybe this is what they're thinking it possibly might look like if they can pull this off and it be a huge success yeah it has huge potential like I've been thinking we've talked about it before Nate but I feel like it's being potentially positioned as like that fiscal year ending game because early 2022 to me screams march 2022 especially considering that when you look at the history of announces from pokemon company they rarely make an announcement have the game come out beyond a year if we assume it comes out march that's already more than a year it's 13 months so you know I have a hard time believing it comes out beyond that even the pokemon snap was announced that summer they said it's early 2022 game so to me that that is literally that's our animal crossing new horizons next year they're hoping that this game blows up hits at least 20 million in the first year and they want it to be a big boost to sales at the end of the fiscal year and then if you guys notice Nintendo kind of has this habit carry momentum into the next year because everyone's always worried about when is switch going to drop off when are the games going to drop off when are the sales going to drop off and Nintendo didn't really have that big game this year they had a combination of rise and 3D world but none of that was as big as Animal Crossing last year the difference is Nintendo didn't need it this year because the pandemic has ensured their system is going to keep selling but that's not going to be the case next year so while they might have a super strong second half of this year big holidays what's going to guarantee that they start off the next fiscal year as successful as the last two a giant I mean vicious open world Pokemon game and if it's done right that is I mean Pokemon is already a big seller it's already a massive seller so imagine the actually breath of the wild and pull it off like the Zelda team I think it's guaranteed you better than let's go Pikachu and Eevee maybe but here's the thing well still 10 million if the game sucks I don't know if the game sucks the reputation after the initial sales period that's what I I'm not saying it's going to suck yeah I hear what you're saying but like Sword and Shield which by the way I know it's controversial but it did review relatively well it reviewed well and it sold well it sold really well it's a 20 plus million seller yes there is there is an audience that does not like Sword and Shield I get that but it still sold incredibly well yeah it loves it but I guess the point I'm making is that even with all that flak Sword and Shield performed the way it did and let's go Pikachu and Eevee yeah I'm more talking about like if the critical reviews come out and it's just like a 50 right I feel like that's probably I don't think it's likely but it's also I understand that there is a certain leniency that certain IPs tend to bump scores a little bit and reviews I think we all know that that's just a thing like you know with Skyward Sword rated at a 97, 98, 99 if it was a different IP you know would it still be in the 90s? Probably the Zelda bump because it's so surprising because it's Zelda the shock of that being a Zelda game does bump the score a little bit doesn't mean it's not a 90 plus game so I kind of think that's a Pokemon I think it being Pokemon is going to give some leniency it's going to give a 3 point boost just but also like here's the thing I think right now in the hardcore Pokemon community not the general community I think the general gaming community is always way less critical and we don't hear about them they're not on internet forums and twitter even talking about this stuff right a majority of people that bought Breath of the Wild have not gone in the internet and said a damn thing about it same thing for Pokemon same thing for Mario most switch owners the almost 90 million switch owners out there aren't on the internet click-lacking away even talking about switch but they just enjoyed at home for an hour to a night and yeah they just didn't care about debating passionately they just play games for fun nothing wrong with that that's the Tendles Forte making games that are fun so that's why I don't expect most of my friends to watch my videos because not everyone is like us like Eric Eric like he's on the pocket so he doesn't watch my videos most of the time unless it's something that pops up it's like wait a second what did they say yeah but banjo-kazooie there's a new Donkey Kong oh my goodness yeah right oh but yeah I will say that there is a huge chunk of the current hardcore base that typically shows up day one to buy the games that definitely does not trust Game Freak to ever pull off a game like this because they can't trust Game Freak to pull off the Pokemon series the way they wanted to not necessarily always Game Freaks fault they have a lot of timelines that they're stuck in having to keep up with the cartoon series and animated series and specific things happening there and the fact that for some reason the Pokemon company doesn't really let Game Freak expand their team they keep making the team just stay with like the couple hundred they have when really Pokemon's one of the biggest IPs in the world they should have one of the biggest development teams in the world and they don't so that's also a limitation as well they keep keeping the cost of game creation low while the game sales remain high while some argue the game quality keeps going down because of this rigorous schedule that they're put on and the fact that I'll tell you that that Sword and Shield did have the biggest Pokemon team yet like they have made efforts to grow but it's kind of like their growth rate versus expectation the jump to console all of a sudden it's no more the case that every game on it's on a 3DS is at 240p and everything looks kind of like an indie game or lesser right like all of a sudden everything's with HD visual and there's open world things that nature and one of the mistakes they made with Sword and Shield is that they used the old engine instead of making a new one like what made Breath of the Wild work was they built a new engine from the ground up it wasn't built for Switch but they did build a new engine for that game from the ground up here they used the 3DS engine and you could tell while playing the game that's like okay these are things that like a new engine wouldn't limit you to this there's really it felt really like a natural evolution of the 3DS games more so than going from like what people expect when you jump the console right so Mario jumps the console look at Mario 64 compared to the one before it fundamentally different kinds of Mario games and different engines and people thought that is what we get when we finally get like this home console style pokemon game instead it was just like oh this is just that natural evolution of what we were already doing or we have an open world section now that's cool we have an open field like Hyrule Field okay but even like Hyrule Field like doesn't make like as an example Hyrule Field is great like I remember the pokemon company brought up the word open world one time and I said no no you have Hyrule Field Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess not open world games just because they have a giant field you can run around in okay just like you know that's not open world look at Breath of the Wild look at the original Legend of Zelda look at Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess big difference huge difference but you know I do want to say that with Game Freak it's interesting because because they come out with games pretty much every single year you can kind of see like the trajectory of where they're headed right so like for exactly so for example you look at the jump between X and Y to Sun and Moon they finally did 3D graphics with X and Y but then in Sun and Moon it pulled back the camera the environments looked a little bit more organic less grid like it did seem like they're kind of starting to get closer to more of like a you know your traditional adventure game and then you look at let's go Pikachu and Eevee you know they put in Pokemon roaming in the environment and follow Pokemon and these are ideas that we all we see all in Sword and Shield right and then we see the wild area to your point but then with the DLC what happened the DLCs were entirely wild area so within that compartmentalized part of the world it is open right and now with Legends Arceus the next installment in the mainline series from Game Freak it's an entirely open world so I think the trajectory is is that Legends Arceus is kind of like that experimental game and then once we do see generation 9 it's going to be far more open and far more polished than what we saw in Sword and Shield probably still not like Breath of the Wild though so don't jump the gun guys yeah so again they clearly made that trailer to invoke Breath of the Wild vibes but we'll see we'll see if that was a mistake or not I don't know we don't here's the thing we haven't seen a Pokemon game officially made like this so I'm going to give it the benefit of it out because this looks like the Pokemon game I've been wanting since I was a kid so we'll see I have hope that they can do it if they're given the right time to do it and I don't know if they've been given enough time to do it but I have hope I think the fact that it's coming out early 2022 as opposed to Halloween 2021 that bodes well for a bit more development time and they handed off the remakes we're getting this year to an outside studio the first time ever they've done that that is so interesting how dedicated they are to this which by the way Ben and I are going to do a new Pokemon Snap isn't that big a deal and it's actually a really good game but then having an outside company do this game clearly what the heck has this team been doing since Sword and Shield Pokemon Legends Arceus yeah they have the DLC but a huge chunk of the team Pokemon Legends Arceus and since that DLC has been done that's it that's all Game Freaks have been working on they outsourced everything else so they're keeping the money train going and I think if these remakes sell really well there's a potential that this could become a regular thing where remakes are outsourced moving forward while they work on bigger Arceus flows up and these remakes sell well this is the future they're going to keep outsourcing remakes and keep doing these big things that we've been wanting them to do it's almost like Game Freaks like we heard you we heard you, you complained about Sword and Shield we heard you, we got you we just can't say anything about it yet now we can it's kind of like no we did this to be safe we needed a safe game to launch on Switch now that we got the sales from that let's be risky so I can kind of forgive them for all their past misgivings if this works out but we'll see and yeah I think there's a chance we're obviously seeing that before E3 as you said Pokemon news, Pokemon events before E3 it literally happens every single time except when we didn't have E3 so there you go any other expectations again? I'm always going to go with the pattern right I mean we've covered a lot we mentioned Donkey Kong earlier if Donkey Kong is a 2021 game for sure I expect to see it at E3 so that's definitely another one now I already I mentioned Breath of the Wild too already but I think that probably deserves a bit more discussion right so we were talking about connecting the dots earlier right now because it's the Zelda portion of our podcast yeah yeah I just want to say that you and I have kind of talked about this before but just on the note of connecting dots right if Legend's Arcus is that fiscal year ending game it does have that breath of the wild influence wouldn't you think it weird for it in town to release the sequel to Breath of the Wild around the same time which kind of leads me to believe that Breath of the Wild 2 is not a March 2022 game or Legend's Arcus is not early 2022 which it officially is right now I think if Breath of the Wild came out in early 2022 and Pokemon Legends Arcus also did let's say they both hit early 2022 once in January once in March that's how it split up it can't be a month with there's got to be some degree of separation there and also I don't actually think that Pokemon I don't actually think that Pokemon and Zelda games take away from each other's sales I think they serve different audiences but I also think that Nintendo it's not about hurting the game sales it's about keeping consistent console sales month over month over month that's what it's about because it can only make so many systems at once so keeping consistent console sales is why you would spread out two big games that you would expect to be I think system sellers yeah there's going to be 10 million plus sellers each like Legend's Arcus very likely could have some sort of bundle right there may be a light bundle there may be a switch pro bundle it might become the best selling Pokemon game of all time that's the potential this game has Breath of the Wild 2 might outsell the original Breath of the Wild depending on how it's marketed if it's a great game it's got to be great it's got to be a marketing and what they do with it it's really going to hit 10 question is how much passing does it go yeah absolutely for sure to that point if Legend's Arcus is that fiscal year ending game that either means Breath of the Wild 2 is coming I would say a few months afterwards or probably way later the year or it's the holiday game which I don't think is crazy because the game started development in 2017 and it's based off of the Breath of the Wild engine that's not lofty like the game could have been if covid wasn't a thing it could have came last year I honestly feel I initially thought that too so you know but then we got Hyrule Warriors instead which was fine yeah that's cool it does make you wonder like what was Nintendo's actual plan for 2020 before the delays you know like was 2020 always meant to be a slow year because based on what we've gone so far I'm still kind of well when you look at it right 2017 banger year 2018 it was kind of a slow year besides Smash right they had their big game but there really wasn't much they closed strong yeah November and December were strong with Pokemon and Smash but then before that it was like not much it seems like whenever they had a harder year then 2019 obviously the totality of 2019 pretty damn good year as good as 2017 debatable depends on your taste in games but still it was a really damn good year then you get into 2020 started off with a banger Animal Crossing and that's for system sellers I really did like Origami King there were other games by the way Nintendo had more exclusive games released last year than people realized but it still was obviously compared to 2019 not as good compared to 2017 not as good so it's like every other year that Switch comes up with a bunch of games and this is that other year and I think it's going to be more hardware to your point about how they want to have games coming out with some spacing more for hardware sales yep yep do you have any other expectations or is that about do it wrap it up I mean it will birth of the wild too for sure I expect to see that and there will be Treehouse footage but this is the 35th anniversary right so you know maybe we see other things maybe we see Twilight Princess and Moon Waker HD maybe we see Ocarina Time and Dora's Mask maybe we see something else I think there's going to be other Zelda announcements they'll at least probably mention Age of Calamity and Skyward Sword to some capacity at least like a brief mention of that so yeah more Zelda anniversary stuff and this is completely random but I wouldn't be shocked if we see new Kirby game oh by the way there's a Kirby game every year I don't know if it's going to be a Nintendo City 3 but there's a Kirby game every year it's going to be a Twitter drop later this year but there's a new Kirby I don't think Kirby has to be shown at E3 Kirby kind of is set in its sales way you're going to get a couple million move on with your day and that's fine I think Kirby doesn't have to be at E3 but there is the rumor out there again it's Amazon or two Kirby games supposedly coming this year so we'll see what those are one of them to spin off so I don't know if it's a new Kirby pinball or there's so many yeah I mean it's not even just rumor because we know Hal has plans for announcements this year it's not crazy so yeah there is one more thing going beyond the Zelda stuff the Donkey Kongs, the Metroids, the Mario Rabbids, the Bane of the Threes the Shibuya Tensei, the Zeno Blades the Pokemon there's all of that right and I think you'll agree with me on this but a lot of the games we're talking about are projects that have been development since around 2017 we saw the Odyssey team and Splatoon, yes Splatoon 2 came out in 2017 and now we're seeing Splatoon 3 and then obviously Breath of the Wild 2 like all of these things they started these projects in 2017 well there's another one the Mario Kart team and Arms Team Arms came out in 2017 what are they working on is it Mario Kart 9, is it F-Zero, is it a new IP? I don't know but they for sure have been working on something and Nintendo has redone their online servers so you know I feel like there's a decent chance we see that this year, there's so much potential with all the games we've already discussed it's hard for you to believe that all of this shows up at E3 so this might be a 2022 game but they for sure have been working on something so we might see that E3 as well that's a big one that's a big E3 out of all the games we talked about Mario Kart 9 is the ultimate system seller I mean it's Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is number 1 on the sales chart still to this day already 5 plus million right it's now actually spreading itself away from Animal Crossing we all thought Animal Crossing would catch it but now Mario Kart is gaining is like distancing itself again here's my thing the reason I doubt Mario Kart 9 is that you look at the success of 8 Deluxe right came a couple months or a month or so or whatever after the launch of Switch which yeah it was a port we all know that I'm not forgetting that it was a Wii U game we haven't had a new Mario Kart game besides Mario Kart Live Home Circuit in a long time but it just sold over 10 million units in the last fiscal year I feel like if they're working on something now I'm hoping it's an F-Zero or something like that and that I think with what 8 Deluxe did this might be the first generation we don't get a new traditional Mario Kart game but they see what happened and they decide Mario Kart 9 is a launch game for the next system so they finish whatever they're doing now F-Zero whatever and then they start working on Mario Kart 9 that's a launch game or within a month or so of launch for the next system just like I think if you look at what Nintendo's doing if the Mario Odyssey team isn't doing Odyssey 2 everyone assumed Odyssey 2 or something like that they're doing DK after DK where do you think the next Mario game is going launch game for the next system so the next system is going to launch with Mario and Mario Kart within a couple months of each other because we're getting Breath of the Wild 2 like now so that's not going to be there Breath of the Wild is the next major result of the game instead is going to be the one thing that comes in year 2 or year 3 of the system instead of year 1 or maybe it's the game that comes at the end of year 1 if they decide to do an early launch again I don't know if they will but maybe they do decide hey we can launch our system whenever especially when we have Mario and Mario Kart but um that's just about the one author that you know what maybe maybe if you kind of look at again connecting the dots if what is announced is not which by the way it could very well be Mario Kart 9 Samus Hunter is the one who's told me she doesn't think it's Mario Kart 9 if Mario Kart 9 is announced I mean God Switch is going to the moon and back yeah I'm kind of curious what you think about this game it might be a 40 plus million seller in the first year we just saw Animal Crossing do record numbers in one year just wait till Mario Kart 9 lands like half the Switch user base is going to buy that game in the first year it'll have the biggest launch and maybe even gaming history and that's including games that are a multi-platform across a bunch of games a bunch of platforms you know GTA 5 is an example really big launch across all these platforms have you seen what Mario Kart 9 could do on one? No because they haven't done it yet but you think Mario Kart 9 is more likely a Switch 2 launch title I feel like yeah I've been talking for a while about Mario Kart 9 but I keep looking it just did 10 million more sales I'll probably do another 10 million of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe this year it would be nice if they were just going to stick with Deluxe if they give us at least another DLC pack forward or something with some extra I'd be down like they did back on the Wii U it'd be cool just give us a $20 DLC and let us expand it a bit then we know okay yeah you're not doing Mario Kart 9 now but that's just my my guts telling me that but my mind also goes does Nintendo want to turn down releasing Mario Kart 9 on potentially guys if Switch is really only halfway through its life cycle and they can keep it at 25 plus million in sales say the next 2 years before it starts to sink below that for the last 2 years of the life or whatever this might be Nintendo's best selling platform of all time it might become the best selling video game platform ever in the history of platforms does Nintendo want to miss out on the chance to drop a Mario Kart 9 and sell 40 plus million units on the best selling hardware ever that I don't know that's kind of the caveat how much does Nintendo want money now versus do they think they can wait and use that to make the NES system successful what is the next system that probably plays a role in it as well speaking of next systems we didn't have a super chat earlier I want to get too quick because it deals with the pro which we weren't going to talk about today unless someone brought it up as an expectation Retro Man did a $5 super chat earlier on our live show thank you so much for that I think the rumored switch pro is more likely to be revealed at E3 and if so will it possibly be for HD games to come to switch pro which I find interesting because the switch already does HD games sort of the Wii U so that's not really a new feature I guess maybe to make more games in native HD resolution on the go absolutely it would help with that I think that's a given if it's more powerful games will hit 720p in handheld so that will be very very nice because even some of Nintendo games don't hit 720p in handheld but as for do I think it's likely to be revealed at E3 no not unless they plan to launch it in August which I don't think they're doing a summer launch for it I think they are going to wait for a holiday period to release it I could be wrong on that front but if you remember they launched switch light very close to the holidays I think that's the strategy I think switch pro has the potential to be a bigger seller than the light was and they're going to put that around the holidays which means we're going to hear about it probably around September-ish maybe end of August if it's going to be like an October release but Nintendo is not going to announce it at E3 and then not release it for 5 months because that's going to kill current sales everyone's just going to wait then which you already have people right now waiting all the rumors are kind of like so much smoke so much smoke everyone's waiting so there are people legitimately not buying switches I've seen them in the comments not buying switches right now because they're waiting for the pro what's going to happen when they announce it sales die so they're going to wait there's going to be a major software title coming in in between there to keep software sales going and some switch sales going for people who just can't wait they have to have that game yeah I also think and this was something Samusunder mentioned to me with the pro in particular is that Nintendo wants games announced before SwitchPro comes out that are going to take advantage of what SwitchPro does day one because it's going to take updates to games to take advantage of what SwitchPro does out the gate a lot of games are going to play the same unless they have unlocked frame rates unlocked frame rate games will obviously perform a little bit better unlocked you know dynamic resolution games will just naturally have a better resolution but games really won't be taking advantage of all the hardware out the gate right it's going to take an update to the game so Nintendo wants games announced which suggests there aren't any games announced yet that will take advantage of it day one and this is where all the theories come in about Breath of the Wild 2 potentially being like a very close to launch a game for it taking advantage of it day one other games they announced for later this year taking advantage of it day one and those games aren't announced yet and the theory I guess the thought process is you announce these games at day three and you show them everyone's super excited about Breath of the Wild 2 Super Saiyan Mario Kart 9 all these awesome games and then when they show Switch 4 all those games you thought looked awesome on your current Switch yeah that was all running on the current Switch here's what looks like on the new one and then you're like oh oh I already thought this game was good now I get 60 FPS Breath of the Wild 2 running at native native resolution 1080p and look at that upscale the 4K on a giant I mean it's going to be hard to see in a video form right it's going to have to be seen in person that's the big thing about 4K you're not really going to notice a big thing about that they will really if this does exist it does not port 4K Nintendo will release a 4K Breath of the Wild 2 trailer so you will be able to directly compare them side to side but that's through YouTube compression and you're not really going to see the big advantage do you have it in front of you and on your TV but I think that's going to the big the big caveat with the Switch Pro that's my thought maybe Andre disagrees maybe he thinks we are getting Switch Pro and he just didn't want to bring it up because that wasn't a topic on the agenda today but what do you think bud so I just want to speak on the 60 FPS Zelda thing because like I remember I think you were the one of the people that like sort of like really kind of highlighted this feature right like Skyward Sword is 60 frames per second right the HD one is ever 3D Zelda game to be 60 FPS on the platform yes we we you Breath of the Wild on emulators is 60 but we haven't had an official release from Nintendo that's a 3D Zelda game that's a 60 FPS ever we have had handheld only between worlds was 60 FPS as an example well yeah but for a 3D Zelda it's always been 30 yeah that's just kind of crazy now obviously Skyward Sword it's Skyward Sword it was a 3D game yeah it's not that crazy and I would assume that Breath of the Wild 2 on base which will not be 60 frames per second but perhaps you know the Skyward Sword HD remaster being in 60 FPS is a hint that Nintendo does want to move in that direction and with the Switch Pro we do see Breath of the Wild 2 at 60 frames per second that would be very very exciting to see absolutely I think the developers are like you guys think gamers know that 60 FPS provides a smoother gameplay experience I think game developers don't know that right I bet you if nothing else Switch Pro is a push from the development teams like especially if Zelda that say hey we really want 60 FPS give us the hardware to do it please I think the game would really benefit from it because if you look at Breath of the Wild a lot of the mechanics in terms of like combat and such were very highly timing based you know like with the parries and things of that nature especially if you look at some of the crazier mechanics you do that kind of take advantage of the systems in place but one thing that I sort of felt that was a little bit lacking with Breath of the Wild was the combat not that you couldn't if you use the environment there's so much you can do but in terms of like the core like you know weapon mechanics and how you do the typical things it didn't feel like the simplified things to a little bit although there were more weapon types but I feel like it's one of the things they can improve upon in Breath of the Wild 2 and with improved combat you know comes perhaps more of an importance on having 60 frames per second gameplay like that could push it to another level in terms of smoothness and reaction times and such so I think that's something that you know would definitely benefit the game that they were to do that so I do kind of hope that happens and I do think Switch Pro is real like yes there's a trend right there's a trend that every two years we see hardware we see Nintendo put out a lot more software to support that the pattern suggests it Bloomberg has reported it, Nikkei has reported it Samus Hunter has said it right like I definitely think it's happening I mean all signs have been trying to point towards it Jeff Grubbs talked about it Nate the 8 for example it's like the worst kept secret everybody knows is there and the fact that Smoke really picked up this year lets you know it's because game developers have it they have it, they're using it people always think well if the game developers have it, why aren't we hearing specs did you hear specs about the Nintendo Switch before it came out we didn't even know what hardware it was using before it came out Nintendo has always been very good about the specs situation there are NDA's I mean people talked about it I can't remember I think it was CD Projekt Red they had switched dev hardware because they were trying to get Witcher 3 on it long before it was ever announced and before Switch even came out and they talked about how the NDA's Nintendo had on it like if you were developing on it you weren't even allowed to tell people that you were developing on this platform it was only a handful of people that could know it was kept in a locked room by a manager not even other managers knew that they had that hardware in the company Nintendo's NDA was so strict to not let any leaks get out about specs now obviously leaks got out about the hybrid and Nintendo had maybe you always wonder if certain things get out to kind of gauge how people react to it but the specs number really came out until after the 2016 reveal then we started to hear a little bit more about what the specs might be because now it's officially unveiled that's the thing with the pro we've heard 4K, we've heard DLSS so then clearly they're using a newer GPU that's capable of using DLSS that's all we can really confirm we don't even know for sure if it's using RT cores for it we have no idea we assume because we know what DLSS means for us today for NVIDIA GPUs but what's it mean for Nintendo what's it mean for the mobile side that's it it's all speculation at that point we don't actually know how much the RAM is going to be what's the storage going to be what kind of CPU are they using are they using this one are they using that one how fast is it going to be we don't know any of this stuff all that panels got out because of manufacturing now like the OLED panels we know about because that's from manufacturing we always hear about stuff from manufacturing the actual raw specs Nintendo has it I wouldn't be surprised if the number of developers that are messing with the Switch Pro right now is less than 100 and they might be working at companies with thousands of employees and the employees there don't even know because that's how locked down this platform is until Nintendo announces it so we'll see but yeah E3 I don't think it's happening unless it's releasing this summer which they could they have released provisions in the summer before but they released the Switch Lite around holidays I think they're going to do the same thing here I think it's going to be paired with a major game maybe it's paired with Mario Kart 9 paired with something I don't know I don't think well first the Mario Kart situation I wanted to ask you because there has been this argument people argue that because Mario Kart Deluxe has sold so much that Nintendo doesn't need to bring on another Mario Kart I kind of get that but the counter argument is you could have said the same thing about Splatoon 2 except now we're getting Splatoon 3 our game sold really really well and yet we're getting a sequel to Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 3 but I thought about it a little bit I feel like there's a little bit of a difference between Splatoon 2 selling like what like 10 plus million or something and then I'm correct if I'm wrong I might not be a little bit more than that but Mario Kart Deluxe has sold 35 plus million and is now distancing itself from Animal Crossing like there's a huge difference between 35 plus million and still outpacing games that are selling really well from last year versus 10 million which is you know I must think it's peak necessarily but there's a big difference there like they may not feel like they need to put out another Mario Kart with Mario Kart Deluxe still outpacing games even today it's a little different it is it really is alright alright I think it's like it in the mind now because oh boy oh boy I did do a video on I think a rather safe expectations for E3 a lot of it kind of the way rumors have swayed me but it's time it's time to take off the safety goggles here we go I'm ready for some violence man alright this E3 is a big deal right we're dropping bombs ourselves during E3 all the giveaways all that jazz but let's be real none of that matters I should say none of that matters giveaways are always cool but none of it really matters if E3 doesn't bring it so it's time for bomb shells time for bomb shells whatever the hell Microsoft is doing with switches getting announced at E3 oh yeah whatever the hell it is hasn't even been brought up Jeff Grubb put out there that he heard everything in the background of Phil Spencer and Microsoft stuff has something to do with something Microsoft's working on including the switch because the switch was in the background of Phil Spencer during a show he did earlier in the year then this is what was even crazier there was the it was either ID at Xbox or some sort of Xbox event I can't remember the exact name I apologize I obviously don't cover Xbox full time I did stream the event or watch the event after one of the two in the background every time the host was talking in the background they had three platforms shown conveniently dead center on the screen Xbox Series S on the first one Xbox Series X in the middle Nintendo switch on top that is prominently featuring a Nintendo platform in a major Xbox event nothing else no Death Stranding characters because there's all the speculation about Death Stranding or Kojima something happening that's fine but they prominently in a major Microsoft event had switched just there not casually in the background of Phil Spencer where he's got a billion things in the background just three platforms nothing else in the background switch was there something's getting announced at E3 I don't know what speculation on X cloud maybe Game Pass I don't know because there is streaming on switch so Nintendo's obviously not anti-game streaming Hitman game stream right there no game stream on switch they're not against it but they don't have a uniform delivery method for it that's where X cloud could come into play does it mean we're going to get Game Pass I don't know but that's where X cloud could come into play that's my giant mind bending thing Microsoft is going to be something now it might not be that it could just be another indie games coming it could just be Master Chief is coming to smash that could be the big thing they're teasing that would be a pretty big deal that would be a pretty big deal they could be teasing hey you know what we're going to throw Nintendo even a bigger bone Master Chief Collection it's going to switch natively why? because Microsoft don't care they want their stuff on everything and they keep throwing Nintendo bones Cuphead they didn't have to let us have Cuphead they did the developer wanted to put it there and Phil Spencer said yep oh fans want Vanjo-Kazooie and Smash Phil Spencer says should have put them in there 10 years ago yep oh uh you guys like the Ori games? sure go ahead and put both of them on switch oh and you know what heck they want to go on PlayStation they can go over there too Phil Spencer doesn't care now they obviously care about certain exclusives like that's why Bethesda games aren't going to be going over to PlayStation besides Deathloop but what if it's that this is another thing to consider we've been getting all these Bethesda games what if that's not going to stop what if despite them buying it the next Doom, the next Elder Scrolls that's also coming to switch they're not going to stop that and the big thing is Phil Spencer loves Nintendo he'll talk he'll say PlayStation is doing a great thing and he'll say all the right things about them to not start any drama he doesn't really seem as interested in console warring action sure we're not going to release these games outside of the Xbox ecosystem sure but not with like words he's not interested in mincing words but what is he said about on record about Switch and Nintendo the generation Nintendo is a treasure to him needs to be preserved if they ever gotten a bad spot and we're going to go bankrupt needs to be preserved needs to be saved Nintendo is too important to the past, present and future of this industry and here we go, better together updates of Minecraft Phil Spencer loves Nintendo and by the way, back in the day, Microsoft did try to partner with Nintendo on a system at one point fell through obviously like every other partnership besides the philip cdi I suppose was that really even a real partnership unprecedented partnership, oh wait unprecedented partnership with EA obviously we all know about the Sony Nintendo fallout as well back in the day, so it didn't come to fruition Microsoft and Nintendo didn't work together on a platform and they might, I'm not saying they're going to be working together on a platform in the future Nintendo is very much we're going to do our thing, you do your thing when it comes to platforms but Phil Spencer doesn't seem to mind about putting games on Switch working directly with Nintendo letting them put whoever they want in including possibly Master Chief which I've talked about how I don't think it's going to happen because I think it creates an expectation that now you need to get a Sony character you know like Nathan Drake or something in and Sony ain't going to play ball Sony ain't letting that happen I just think it's just too many Microsoft characters already because we got both Banjo and Minecraft Steve but neither of those characters were created by Microsoft Banjo's history is on N64 Minecraft was an indie game so Minecraft was already on everything before Microsoft bought it, Banjo was the only reason why they're Microsoft characters but when people think Banjo they don't think Microsoft I'll throw another counter argument though and I'm not saying it's impossible it's not like Sonic that's Sega Master Chief that is Microsoft and Phil Spencer wouldn't say no why would they put the Switch inside their streams as if it's like one of their own platforms it almost feels like like it's their own handheld option like XCloud has to be it doesn't feel like Master Chief in Smash that's great but XCloud or some version of XCloud literally they're treating it in their streams oh yeah this is just casually one of our platforms why? unless XCloud is coming I mean what if it is because remember what they said about Bethesda games they didn't say Xbox platforms they said besides current contracts all future Bethesda games will be on Game Pass platforms and I'm like Game Pass is part of XCloud on phones and all that jazz if XCloud is on Switch and now you just get to play the entire Microsoft library on Switch and they just don't care because they want Game Pass and XCloud everywhere that's like mind blowing and if you know about the Switch Pro coming and it's going to have the 4K upscaling better holy crap I can throw my series X in the trash I'm really curious what you think on this because I had this crazy idea during my podcast on Sunday I don't think it's going to happen but I just really curious what you think of it we have this as you're saying this collaboration between Nintendo and Microsoft something right Game Pass kind of makes sense but maybe it's too soon there's all the logistical issues and there's all these different games so if it was on Switch's eShop we would kind of value all the other third party games on there potentially so it seems kind of weird but then we also have these rumors about Nintendo sort of overhauling or reviving their legacy content platform and Shinshura Forakawa announced that part of the $800 million that we're investing is in Nintendo Switch Online so what if there's an adapted sort of platform coming that's involving Nintendo and Microsoft and it's perhaps combining some Microsoft games and Nintendo's legacy content and maybe that's where we see things like Nintendo's entity currency it's a crazy idea it's what's happening Microsoft and Nintendo behind the scenes are just all just laughing away at it so yeah that's crazy right off the bat something's happening we can speculate so the moon comes back and we will the pre-show for E3 2021 we'll have a 2 hour pre-show before anything else is happening before even E3 because the ESA is going to have their own pre-show we're going to have 2 hours before that pre-show don't even worry about it if we have to do it at 5am we're here 3am we're here it won't be because it's going to be on west coast time so it's going to be 9 or 7 giveaways, crazy stuff and we'll be talking specifically about this more in depth it's actually one of my planned segments in the pre-show it's going to be a planned segment on Nintendo's day and if nothing gets announced then it'll also be a planned segment to revisit on Microsoft's day because it could be announced by Microsoft instead of Nintendo could also be a joint announcement maybe Microsoft leads into the Nintendo and it leads in with the joint announcement who the hell knows because we don't have the E3 we can't even speculate on that we'll figure it out in different days but maybe they're not we don't know so other major predictions by the way I saw someone in the chat mention oh master chief isn't there isn't there a mascot so that would be the thing for smash it's Forza and I'm like master chief originated on Xbox Halo was the game that put Xbox on the map and master chief is on the box for series X box that's their mascot it would be a Forza car Forza by the way is owned by them but yes, Forza is a big deal not as big a deal as master chief and Halo and Halo's always been when have you seen Halo on anything but PC and Xbox master chief master chief driving around in a Forza car so yeah, master chief is very much their mascot it's their Mario but that's totally fine there's nothing wrong with that that's their mascot Sony's mascot's a little more up in the air, you know is it Spider-Man now is it because they own the right sell of the Spider-Man video games is it Nathan Drake is he even going to be in another uncharted game or is his story done is it Kratos from God of War what's the name of the girl in Horizon I don't know I forgot her name is it her because they have a new game for that coming out this year Forbidden West there's a whole lot of is it Elle now from Last of Love there's a whole lot of characters none of them seem to be like a central character that represent the company back in the day people felt it was Crash way back in the day but they never owned Crash it was always a third party character it's just no other platform what was her name Alloy Alex Christie pointed out in the chat Alloy they don't have a universal considered mascot maybe they're trying to push Astro Bot as that mascot and they've had other games in that franchise before maybe that's what they're pushing now Ratchet and Clank looks really good Ratchet and Clank as well Sony is kind of the one they're the one without a central mascot hey I'm not going to knock Sony guys they have what say 25 new games in development with like 12 or 14 of them being brand new IP that's a big deal all of them are in development for PlayStation 5 so I mean we got to give it up for Sony now are any of these games coming out in the next three years that's the other question Sony likes to announce things super early and then not give it to you for three or four years but it doesn't matter we are getting some we are getting Forbidden West this year supposedly that and Ratchet and Clank coming up real soon are they supposed to get both Horizon and God of War this year still like they're still technically slated I think they're still less than this year they more guaranteed Forbidden West than they did God of War but we'll see if they get all Ratchet and Clank of all those games come out that's a killer lineup typically no Sony hate here guys they have a killer lineup coming up and I think Microsoft speaking to v3 they have a killer lineup looking forward to it they have literally all the studios that they just bought the last three years including a little you know unknown one in Bethesda you know just a little minor indie studio what's going to happen with the next Elder Scrolls like is that going to be exclusive to Game Pass platforms Game Pass platforms not PlayStation and that's what it's going to be he already said it that game by the way is not coming out for like five years that game is so far but yeah that's going to be Game Pass I don't think any Bethesda game but Deathloop is going to Sony and Deathloop is just because it's a contract so I literally don't think any other Bethesda games going there Starfield coming out this year it's going to be on only Game Pass platforms Phil already told us we shouldn't expect anything else if it happens it's because Sony find the Game Pass beyond their system which they're not going to let that happen they're going to make their own competing something eventually in fact Sony kind of said at their investors meeting they have sort of a pseudo answer it's not going to be the same thing because they don't feel like they can afford to do the same thing which by the way Game Pass is a heavy investment not every company in the world even billion dollar companies can afford to do it just look at Netflix and how much money got sunk into that before it started making money that's what subscription based services though is where the money is at that's where the money is at long haul on Nintendo people always when Nintendo going to do a service yeah maybe for the retro games I don't think they're going to do a service for their main games until a point reaches their main games aren't dropping 20 plus million in sales they sell too much individually in traditional way how long will that happen how long will that maintain I don't know but there's just something about Nintendo because they have like that history right and they're almost there their games are almost like collectors items so like because of that you know there is like a lot of like the gaming fan base that want to kind of they want to sort of maintain that piece of history and still collect something and Nintendo is kind of more along those lines as opposed to Sony or Microsoft so you know games go away someday Nintendo will be the last holdout it'll be with cartridges I'm sure but they will be the last holdout for physical games I might just double down on amiibo then or something and it's funny that digital is growing for them but they're not abandoning physical I don't think anytime soon so alright other predictions because that's a huge one that again not guaranteed to happen there's not even there's not even really rumors floating around about it it's just Jeff Grubb said it means something he doesn't even know what it means that's why he doesn't keep talking about it he said what he said he has no updates on it he's heard nothing he just knows it means something and then it keeps coming back it keeps coming back I'm sure I mean god if they don't announce it at E3 but Microsoft in their press conference just casually has a switch on screen somewhere people are freaking out people are going to be like oh have you guys seen that we're not talking about that see you next week what do you mean tune into Nintendo tomorrow alright that I could believe it I'll tell you though that if we go back to 2019 I'm fairly certain during 2019 there were rumors for both Master Chief Collection and Rare Replay to come to Switch they were rumors they haven't materialized yet but they might start to materialize you know totally so you know maybe on Game Pass maybe we see those things on Game Pass so other predictions obviously a lot of what Andre said I feel is likely even Eric a lot of these games coming I feel it pretty likely what I found interesting is was until Andre's brought up the stuff about Kingdom Metal Microsoft Rabbit's Kingdom Metal how there was like a new one being made and he expects to see it I wasn't thinking about that I probably would have put that in my predictions video if I was but here's the thing if that game isn't shown I personally feel like this might be the first E3 that I can remember that Mario is not part of it because if we don't get Kingdom Metal I don't think we're getting Mario Kart 9 I don't think we're getting Mario anything this E3 because the Mario team that would release a Mario game is doing D.K. if Mario Kart 9 isn't going to come now but it's going to come next year or it's going to be a launch game for the next platform and Kingdom Metal 2 isn't announced there and that might not even be announced by Nintendo that probably be announced by Ubisoft so for Nintendo themselves they might not even talk about Mario during E3 and I don't I literally can't remember a time that Mario was not mentioned in E3 but someone in the chat might be able to go back through old E3's and we find one I don't even think one exists there's been so many spin-offs I don't think E3 exists Breath of the Wild here did they mention anything with Mario? Well 2016 was only Breath of the Wild Breath of the Wild was the only thing they announced but they were showing up I think because you guys remember we got Color Splash that year I'm pretty sure Treehouse played Color Splash on stream pretty sure because that came out after so yeah it wasn't in their digital event because they didn't really have one it was just the Breath of the Wild event but I'm pretty sure that Treehouse which was part of E3 did play Color Splash I mean like no Mario games involved at all nothing now next to you know Treehouse is playing Super Mario Party which isn't a new game but they're showing off the online features so anyways I don't know what Treehouse is going to do it could be playing Kingdom Battle Kingdom Battle as well here's my thing so now that comes up or at least like another Kingdom Battle game if it's not Mario and it's a different IP maybe they go with Zelda because it's 35th anniversary I don't know something Kingdom Battle I think is coming I always felt the new one was going to come because the last one sold so well it felt weird that we weren't hearing anything about a new one because the last one leaked hardcore this one's not really leaking that much if it does exist it's kind of interesting there I'm also worried about what kind of game it's going to be but we'll talk about that later and then and then we have to talk about just what Nintendo's got on Slate so outside of all the games already talked about you know I keep thinking okay if we're not getting Mario Kart 9 then what are we going to get I feel like I'm going to do it I'm going to go there I didn't go there in my predictions video I'm going to go there now F-Zero's coming back don't play with my heart don't play with my heart F-Zero's coming we're getting F-Zero announced this I don't know if it's going to release this year it might be another Splatoon 3 2022 I don't really care it doesn't really matter if it's this year or next year it being announced at all I think the game that the Mario Kart team is working on is F-Zero not an R2 not a new Mario Kart freaking 0 coming back Falcon Punch it's happening I don't have any there's no rumors there's nothing supporting this happening beyond the fact that the Mario Kart team is making something which doesn't really support anything there is something there is something you're going to pull my heartstrings now even further I have to caution you guys not everything is a tease sometimes it does tease things when they tease Luigi's matching with Smash Bros they teased Splatoon 3 with the SOS signal last year but then other times with the Mario Watermelon thing it's just Mario with a watermelon even though we did get Mario Sunshine or Reggie wearing the mother 3 pin or the Metroid pin I think Reggie meant to tease the Metroid thing but with Metroid Prime 4 being delayed that was so long ago that was before the game awards even existed that he teased with the Metroid Prime 4 way back in the day Cranky Kong controversy oh I'm going to do Metroid I know it's Cranky Kong that time I agree that was trolling for sure but to be fair that event sucked I don't think this is absolutely a hint I think it's worth noting similar to how we've seen Smash be used to tease things in the past I think they might have been doing it again when we saw that arms presentation for Min-Min Captain Falcon had quite a presence during that little Smash presentation so it's happening confirmed F-Zero is getting an LCD 3 F-Zero's happening I can't say the same thing was as much confidence as you but I certainly would cry and scream all at the same time so this is one that no one's talked about but I think it's just more soul like if Mario is going to be part of the presentation I think this is I know there's some speculation out there that another Mario Party is coming probably there's probably another Mario Party coming the first one sold really really well they have a tendency to release multiple Mario Parties per system there's going to be another Mario I don't know if it's coming this year or next year but there's going to be another Mario Party game and my thing is and by the way I totally forgot because Mario Golf Super Rush actually comes out after they'll probably at least play it on Treehouse if they don't talk about it so I guess there will be probably something Mario but now that I was thinking even deeper about this there's a certain movie being made featuring our plumber that's been in development for years it's Miyamoto's pet project at the moment I think we get a reveal trailer during E3 a trailer for that nice but it's not really direct I'm a little bit worried to play that trailer you know because maybe I'll copyright music then I'm like it's Nintendo it's going to be like Nintendo music so I'm not worried about it it won't be like the Sonic trailers but it's got copyrighted music or maybe it will be I have no idea but yeah I think the Mario movie gets unveiled whether or not it looks good I'm not going to make any predictions on what it is what it looks like how the story feels does Mario somehow translate yes I don't know Illumination does a really good job of movies well some people don't like Illumination's movies some people hate Minions and all that stuff sometimes all it takes is appropriate direction so you know I think Miyamoto's personal taste will make it feel like a Mario thing at least Minions guys the Minions are all slapstick comedy and if you're not into that you're not going to like it swap the Minions for Toads I'll tell you that I think that lately with video game movies there's been like this growing trend to kind of stick closer to the root of what makes that that game so special because in the past I think it was more about like just appealing to modern trends to make a movie be successful but now I think because of video game movies there's a better understanding that having that movie represent the franchise is a better way to make that movie be good I think this Mario movie is going to be an award winning movie I think it's still going to be something that Mario fans will enjoy I think that's why Nintendo is having is making sure that Miyamoto is still involved with this because it's going to at least be that so if you're a Mario fan I think you'll still enjoy it it probably won't be like a 5 out of 5 star movie but maybe you know an enjoyable 3 we'll see but again I think it's going to be short off of D3 there you go so guys I'm going with things that I'm not 100% sure they're really going to happen but all the obvious has been covered sorry but how about this one Grezzo everyone's talking about what Grezzo is doing for Zelda what remake are they working on are they bringing back Oracle games brand new top down Zelda IP announced D3 don't know if it comes out it might be for the end of the 35th anniversary next year that one's fine I think a little bit closer to Pokemon Arceus yeah yeah baby who says top down Zelda's dead not this guy not this guy they just did Link's Awakening fundamentally different gameplay and Grezzo did Link's Awakening Grezzo did at least 5-4-0 Grezzo is going to take that engine redo the visuals of course so it's its own thing and they're going to release a new top down Zelda game and that's now going to become the top down Zelda team officially Grezzo is going to make all future top down Zelda games now they're not going to say that of course but I'm just saying that's what's going to end up happening they're going to be the one making all the future top down Zelda games because the actual Zelda team is going to be focusing on their their 3Ds probably and that might upset some people because maybe you'd rather have them doing HD, all career time 3D and Majora's Master 3D and that's fine maybe they're also doing that I have no idea they have like 3 or 4 teams but I'm just saying that that's the obvious we ain't talking about the obvious here I'm going to the moon and back oh yeah this is what you want I already did a video with the obvious expectations we just had you guys go through the obvious expectations forget the obvious forget the obvious as an example platinum games we know they're doing Bayonetta probably going to see Bayonetta 3 if we don't maybe we'll see it at the game awards or something but Bayonetta 3 is pretty far into development I don't think platinum games have much issue with it they keep saying the only reason they haven't said anything about it is because Nintendo won't let them so clearly they think the game is way far enough to be showing at least just saving might be a switch pro thing yeah it could be a switch pro thing or it could just be waiting for like what they feel is the right time to release it I feel like 2020 probably would have been a nice time to release it when we were having kind of a software drop but maybe it wasn't done yet so I think that's not the only game we have coming from platinum guys remember the last time that they touched Bayonetta and put it on a switch a certain let's call it a side quest that existed in that game and it was updating other games that maybe had some cameo appearances there was a certain star fox side quest that they just threw into bayonetta for no reason when they brought it over hmm Nintendo has hired platinum games to make the next star fox game announced to c3 platinum games has publicly stated that they want to make a star fox game this was years ago they wanted to make a star fox side optional side mission in bayonetta to just kind of show Nintendo what they can do I'm just saying and we also happened when Nintendo tried to make one zero didn't go over so well with fans I think it's better than fans give it credit for but I think some of the shortcomings make the rest of it not nearly as enjoyable as it could be for some people I know there's some people that love zero by the way and that's fine it's like people love star fox adventures but it didn't really sell well I get it it was hired to make a new star fox game and that's why we haven't heard anything because it's from platinum games we never know what platinum games is working on ever like you want to win leaks nothing leaks out of that studio platinum might not even know what platinum is working on see you think Nintendo will let Justin Bowman let me correct you platinum made star fox zero platinum made miyamoto's star fox zero that was a miyamoto game shigiro miyamoto ran his shit so just because platinum games made that game they were the developer it's kind of like illumination studios is making the mario movie but it's really miyamoto's vision that's what zero is I think because of zero they said well miyamoto you go do mario platinum you make the star fox game you wanted to make you wanted to make you're busy don't worry about platinum freedom full freedom do what you want we trust you I'm just saying I'm just saying you can't tell me that after astral chain that oh they're just making bayonetta 3 for nintendo I'm sorry I don't buy it nintendo keeps working with platinum there's another game from platinum coming I'm just predicting that star fox maybe it's astral chain too maybe it's something else another new ip because they keep doing new ip's with nintendo the wonderful 101 right astral chain bayonetta didn't start with them but was a relatively new ip with nintendo you know didn't buy the rights to it but started paying for them to be made so I'm just saying I'm just saying and for people wondering in the chat is this rumor or speculation read the title of the video e3 2021 speculation none of this is based on rumors this would just be tossing it out to the wind like a fart in the wind if you get an ounce I have a faint belief it's happening but I don't think it's getting an ounce but everyone all the obvious is done we've already had the breath of the wilds covered we've already had some of the 34th anniversary we've had the mario karts thrown out there in case that's the case that's coming we've had the obvious the curbies blah blah blah blah I'm going with the major ones and this is where I don't know which studio is doing it it might be what was the name of the studio that made the weegees next level games next level games I think nothing to back this up by the way so this is complete and utter bullshit pulling out of your rear end I'm pulling out of your rear end alright fair enough next level games new game after the weegees mansion 3 announced that this e3 a new snowboard kids ooh Nintendo owns the ip it vanished after the m64 it's coming back not 1080 snowboard kids but snowboard kids it's coming back I might have the heart attack this time if that happens I pulled on a little bit with the f0 I see where you're saying you pulled it out of my ass all viewers everywhere this actually does have a rumor for it and it's getting announced this e3 all new virtual console service I don't know what it's going to be called going to be announced it's going to have this again what it's going to have exactly is a bit speculative but it's going to have nes, snes n64 they're throwing gamecube on that bad boy and gameboy advance and they're going to stop at ds they're going to have some ds games but they're not going to have much they're not going to make a big deal out of it because they're going to save ds for a little while ds library is massive so they're going to take their time to try to make sure that that's done right and by the way it's all going to run in emulators but it's going to be a paid subscription service that you can optionally buy each individual game for a certain price if you're subscribed to the service just like the game pass you can get a discount on buying it if you're not subscribed it's a full price so say ocarina time in the n64 that would be like 10 bucks maybe it was $20 maybe it was one of the $20 ones they had some pretty expensive ones on the old virtual console but anyways it's going to be what it is but if you're subscribed to the service you can play it for free, well it's not really free you pay your subscription fee or you can get like 25% knocked off the price maybe 50% knocked off the price and to buy it so if nothing else it gets you to subscribe to the service to get the games cheaper and then you realize look at this giant library of games why am I getting rid of my subscription service and then they keep you so they got you to buy the games but then they also got you to keep the service because it's such a great service get anything else that's what they're going to end now they're not going to end with Breath of the Wild 2 they're ending with this this is the big we have one more thing do they start with Breath of the Wild 2 then I don't know and then end it with the Breath of the Wild 2 what if they do a double ending they do Breath of the Wild 2 right and then Dub Bowser comes on and he's like how was that here's E.G. I normally he'll tell you a little bit more about the story this and that you guys enjoyed that was that good we gotta get over to Nintendo Treehouse but before we do one more thing one more thing is bigger than Breath of the Wild 2 at E3 yeah there's one thing virtual console correctly now some people aren't going to like that fair enough this is the one thing I've stated so far that is not technically 100% speculation I did a video on this over the weekend we covered it briefly in a prior podcast towards the end there's Samus Hunter taught to me behind the scenes and told me that she heard in October that Nintendo is working on a new virtual console system it won't be called virtual console but it's a new way to deliver classic games that's going to be happening this current fiscal year so it might not come out this year it could come out early next year and it would have obviously she said other platforms as well she didn't specify which platforms but it would be beyond what the current Nintendo Switch Online has it would be separate from Nintendo Switch Online and it would be much more like Microsoft's Game Pass than it would be anything Nintendo has done in the past and you will be able to subscribe and get access or buy the games individually and Nintendo emphasized in the marketing material that it is important that gamers have the option to buy it individually and you might go why does Nintendo care about that look at Nintendo Switch Online that was under former presidents not under the current president who sees what everyone else is doing and wants a piece of that pie and this is a service that can carry over from platform to platform to platform maybe there's still an issue with purchase games coming over I don't know about that that's something Nintendo has to sort out that's always been an issue with virtual console is rebuying games every generation but the actual subscription service that could easily carry over platform to platform to platform and maybe that's what they've been talking to Microsoft about yeah which obviously needs back to oh is this going to be a partnership with Microsoft is virtual console going to end up as part of Game Pass that I think is a bit too far don't think Nintendo is going to do that but I mean maybe they will if Game Pass comes to Switch maybe that's the bone they throw to Microsoft let people subscribe to our service streaming through xCloud on your thing but it's got to be a separate fee it's not part of Game Pass that could be a thing I'm not saying Nintendo is going that far that seems a little bit too forward thinking I feel like the company that would hold back Game Pass from coming to Switch is Nintendo Microsoft wants it on Sony and Sony said no we haven't heard what Nintendo has said maybe that's the reason we haven't heard yet but plus Nintendo just keeps everything close to the best I don't think they're actually going to put it on Game Pass but I do think they're going to announce it this E3 if it's coming out this fiscal year it could be a drop there's going to be other Nintendo directs this year so it could be a drop they do in a different direct especially if it's not coming to early 2022 that could be like a September direct or something but if it's coming this year maybe it's coming this summer talk about a bombshell drop the one thing that's been rumored that I even have inner doubts about Samus Hunter on this it's like the one thing she's told me that I'm like Nintendo never does this right you're telling me Nintendo's doing it right okay you know what I got to get the benefit of the doubt to the new president this is a new era we haven't actually seen his overall impact on the platform yet everything's been stuff that was happening before he took over maybe this is it maybe this is the president that gets it knows when to tell Shigeru Miyamoto no oh gamepad let me talk to the developers quick none of our developers want it knows that our developers are asking for 60 FPS gotcha switch pro it's coming he's watching under him that would be all Shintaro Furukawa switch pro his baby I'm telling you we don't actually know like everyone gets mad cranky at him because he doesn't appear he's not that kind of person he doesn't have that bubbly personality he didn't grow up in game development he didn't grow up in marketing he's a businessman he's a numbers man numbers men sometimes do really shady things he does really crappy things he's a numbers man and it's made EA one of the biggest publishers in the world because of it clearly he knows what he's doing it just doesn't always look good to the gamers but being a numbers man but also respecting the way Nintendo does business could lead to things like this where it's actually a benefit to everybody and it's not going to cost Nintendo a bunch of money like Game Pass does for Microsoft you know it's through all this money third parties to put their games on the platform and then also release their brand new games on their platform which could gimp day one game sales Nintendo's got to worry about that because that's not what the service is it's just taking advantage of games that aren't even available on the platform anyways and making extra money off it so that's going to end my predictions that's going to happen that involves Nintendo at least right there as any of this stuff I mean Virtual Console is the only thing that actually has some backing behind it but that's also to me like I still don't believe it I think I just want to believe it I really want to believe your F-03 theory I just want to the only evidence is that faint potential hint with the Min Min reveal but it's like then again when it's announced it's like oh yeah they teased the Winky Wink man so I don't know Nintendo needs another racer besides Mario Kart like they used to have so many Excite Truck, Wave Race 1080 series is another kind of like similar sort of idea there used to be Diddy Kong Racing there's we need more than just Mario Kart oh by the way if you guys want a little quick news that I just saw that news just broke sequel the new Sonic movie just wrapped up production so that's supposed to be coming out later this year but it's pretty much almost done so that's really good news for people looking forward to that I actually enjoyed the first Sonic movie right here to really talk much about it but it was it was better than I expected and I mean Jim Carrey is Jim Carrey and this was awesome to finally see classic Jim Carrey come back it was worth watching just for that if you're a Jim Carrey fan mm-hmm alright our last topic this is a tough one because it's something that I think we all know is happening but it's not something we want to talk about and Ubisoft has decided to just openly admit what's coming from their side and it kind of sucks in a way because Ubisoft for everything you want to say we talked about how repetitive their games can be and all this stuff how they kind of draw them out maybe they're a little too long maybe they should cut some of the side quests all this stuff right all we want to say about that Ubisoft tends to make a lot of high quality triple A games that release every single year and really please single player audiences now they still have multiplayer aspects but single player very happy with them right Assassin's Creed primarily single player there's multiple aspects sometimes primarily a single player IP right when they have multiplayer games they focus on the multiplayer but when they have their single player they focus on their single player well here's the headline straight from Nintendo life says Ubisoft has major free to play plans across all franchises and platforms okay so they're gonna do more free to play games like everybody else what's the big deal who cares right everyone's doing it so of course they're gonna do more free to play here's the exact quote from the chief financial officer Frederick Dugut in an interview or actually citizen and investors call we've taken time to learn from what we did last year with Hyperscape we're also learning with the launch we'll be making on roller champions but by the way that's coming to switch people might have forgotten about that game that's actually coming to switch we've been learning a lot with Brawlhalla remember these are all smaller games listen up that is rapidly growing and we think it's time to come with quality free to play games across all our biggest franchises across all platforms so goes on to say this means less of a focus on big triple A single player releases every year more of a focus on free to play games in these IPs so think about what that means what Ubisoft is admitting and this is something we've quietly known this is happening across the industry I don't have any problem with free to play games in general I don't care how they monetize I don't care if it's got your mechanics I don't care if it's season passes all the what are they called the fortnite and the war zones and all the jazz I don't know why I'm drawing a blank on what that genre is called anyways the point is yeah there you go I don't have a problem with the season passes the DLC the microtransactions in free to play games I don't have a problem with that on your phone I have zero problem people hate phone games I don't know why a lot of these are super fun despite the microtransactions and everything that's how they make money if the game is free to download they gotta make money somehow they're not just giving you a free game if they don't make money they can't make more games so I don't have a problem with those monetization methods in free to play games the problem is I don't have less of the big triple A spider-man games Miles Morales as an example the horizons the zealots of the world even the halos which is multiplayer but also has a single player campaign and you start to see we're eliminating all of that to focus on free to play games chock full of microtransactions and gotcha mechanics which again don't have a problem until it affects the ability to get other games for example if I had to worry about the next Assassin's Creed games there's gonna be some free to play multiplayer assassin game and it might be cool it might be fun but I might not ever get a new regular Assassin's Creed game what if that Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom Battle 2 game that's speculated and ribbon out there what if it's also a free to play game yeah I mean I think there's definitely rooms for them to make more free to play games yeah I don't have any Apex Legends no issue Apex Legends isn't preventing battlefield from coming out to the credit of just like Call of Duty Warzone with Activision they're still having a new Call of Duty come out this year so other studios are doing free to play but they're not slowing down their other games to do it they're like we're gonna do it in addition right it's not in spite though first it's like actually we might be slowing down and doing this and I just think again I'm sure the games will be good I don't question they're gonna be good we've seen AAA studios attack free to play and the games are good Apex Legends is good Warzone is good Brawlhalla it's still pretty good these games are good I just I don't want to lose the rest to just have these kind of games it's kind of like on your phone there are paid games on your phone that are way higher quality than the ones that are free to play I don't want to lose the paid games to just have free to play someday now Nintendo is not going down this route I'm not talking about the rest of the industry on the whole and who knows Nintendo might go down that route eventually if they ever get a major Pokemon Go like success on a phone who knows how that's gonna impact the whole company of Nintendo thankfully for people that are afraid of that they haven't had a major like Fire Emblem Heroes is the closest they've had and when you look at their revenue charts I mean it's way down the list so I don't know what are your guys thoughts on this and its impact on potentially the rest of the industry because I feel like we've already seen this shift happening no one's just openly talked about it in this way so it's interesting right so we look at like come from like the Nintendo perspective of things right you look at games like Animal Crossing and Pokemon Sword and Shield and Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey these games are all 20 plus million sellers we haven't really seen Nintendo games sell this well this consistently before and I feel like as the industry sort of moves forward and there's a lot more games that have microtransactions or free to play games which isn't inherently bad there are some really good free to play games and I think if Ubisoft handled things correctly they could still pick and choose and still have some of those non free to play single player games will just be a little bit less and more free to play games which may be very fun but my point is that with this growing prevalence of games more like that more online sector games of that nature when the big single player games do come out it's going to be the companies that can really hit them out of the park that will be the most celebrated and get the most attention so there'll be more importance on the next big Zelda release because then it'll be more rare it won't just be okay sure Nintendo has their big medieval adventure game but the thing is what's going to become what's going to be in the case is that there won't be as many big medieval adventure games from other companies so there'll be more focus placed on Zelda so that's kind of how I feel things may turn out more focus on the ones that still do exist not just with Nintendo but Nintendo and hopefully companies like Ubisoft at least do a good job of creating really fun free to play games and still having a few of those more ambitious triple A single player style kind of games yeah I mean but I think that's what people fear less of what we love more of another market that loves it like I get there's probably going to be like Ubisoft isn't saying we're done right like we're not going to make any of these games just less they have a reliance on like three to four of these kind of games a year now we're going to rely on that less and focus more on free to play and I get it's when you hit on free to play I mean the revenue is immeasurable Fortnite has made Epic into a behemoth like it's immeasurable like literally what could you imagine five years ago Epic going toe to toe with Apple in the courtroom like it would just be unimaginable because Apple is such and they're still a bigger company but Epic has the money to have the lawyers to draw out a long lawsuit like this and try to fight for what they think is right now I don't know everyone agrees that what they think is right is right and that's fine I hear it up you know right right tell you what to think in the Apple versus Epic thing I don't know that anyone's right in that case I think everyone has flaws in what they're doing and I also think the entire court case so far has been a complete joke and has nothing to do with what the lawsuit's actually about it's like from both sides what both sides are arguing has nothing to do with what the lawsuit's about it's weird and I think it's happening because the court system literally does not understand video games at all so there's a fundamental the legal system doesn't even know what the hell is happening I have no idea which way this court case is going to go but I do worry that more free to play equals less of the other things and from Nintendo's perspective not as big a deal only because Nintendo doesn't really have a lot of games I'm not going to say they don't use real deal baseball back in the day that was free to play they have microtransactions and stuff in it so Nintendo has dabbled in this but not to a major scale and nothing and they don't have anything that's been super successful as a free to play even the rollable phone games none of them have been successful enough to exist but no not like again, Pokemon Go they don't have that mega oh we've done this now we've seen the numbers that's where we want to be so third parties have them like Ubisoft hasn't done it yet with a major game but they've done it with enough smaller games they've seen enough success from those games to realize man can you imagine if we took a known IP and did that look what Call of Duty Warzone is doing right now one of the few known IPs that go straight into that genre and look how well it's doing it's slowly rising up the ranks that are played in that genre right now despite the fact that new Call of Duty is coming out doesn't seem to affect Warzone at all Apex Legends not as successful as Fortnite and Warzone definitely successful enough for EA to keep supporting it successful enough to bring it to Switch where yeah it doesn't play that well on Switch there's still a bunch of kiddos out there who only have a Switch that are playing Apex Legends right now so I don't know what it means it just seems like the future of the game industry is in a transition period not just with this game streaming you know Game Pass these are fundamental differences that ten years ago we would have never thought about any of this stuff and yet here we are and while Nintendo seems least affected because they're doing the least amount of things Sony seems not as affected yet although Sony does have subscription services out the ass um it's still one of those what does this mean for the future and I don't know and is it a future I'm going to look forward to I don't know like I always say in cases like Game Pass man that makes gaming so much cheaper for me like I don't have to spend 60 bucks a pop every game that comes out on Xbox I want to play heck I didn't even have to buy MLB to show this year like that's huge like I'm saving money because of Game Pass but like is that good if the whole industry went that route it's really good that all you know TV is now split up between a billion different platforms you know yeah we still have cable TV but now we have Netflix doing their own shows Amazon before you wanted all the movies you go to the movie theater or you buy them when they come up you want all the TV shows you go and you have a subscription to cable now you want all the TV shows you need to be subscribed to 30 different services which actually almost makes it more expensive including basic cable if you really want everything I mean sports right now is the beginning holding up basic cable and even that might go away someday because there's plenty of live TV services that are offering streaming versions of that so I'm not saying they're good but they do have them I use it the huge thing I have spectrum I have them for internet and I have them for cable the reason I have them for cable is I've been through some of these other streaming services it's not quite as good but I can't remember the last time I used I have one cable box in my house can't remember the last time I used it I used a spectrum app in my house on all my devices and watch all my TV through it I have an Apple TV to watch 4K spectrum that's the only way they offer 4K right now in my area on my TV I don't have any problems for the most part hardly ever I watch books games, packer games we just watched Brewer's game while we were doing this podcast no issues there was no drops it didn't stop now granted I have a different one I have extremely good internet in my house which is why I'm not as worried about issues in my stream it's still a little bit more slightly delayed than if you were watching it on a streaming cable it's not a delay sometimes you get an update on your phone and it happens it happens like 30 seconds it's close enough TV has delays too I think Yeah, I've had satellite before satellite's great and for some cases, but it's also it's supposedly gotten better If if you have dish network right now, you wouldn't even be able to get brewers your bucks games. Yeah Well, those that's contract. Well, no, I know for sure. So but and that's that's the other part two is is To a certain extent it almost gives a little bit more powers to the TV networks themselves, too Because they have a few more options to you know, oh, you don't want to pay our price These guys are And by the way, that that's all about competition. Mm-hmm. I think competition in general makes things better, but it's also Hey, things are a lot more complicated than they used to be when you want to watch everything like I like as an example I saw a review for what is it that I'm watching right now. I'm watching on Netflix It's a superhero show that I didn't even know existed until I saw the season review I think on IGN or whatever Jupiter's legacy and I sat there and I saw the headline for Jupiter's legacy the superhero show And I'm like, oh man, which platform is it and do I have it here, right? What one am I about to subscribe to now that I'm not subscribed to you? You know, oh cuz like except the boys isn't on here. The boys is on Amazon Prime. Mm-hmm Love the boys. Oh the boys great by the way I had Amazon though the nice thing about Amazon Prime is I had it anyways for shipping purposes So it's really great that they tied in the service with it It's so it's kind of nice that it feels like a bonus more than anything, which is cool And there are some legitimate the good shows on Amazon Prime boys being one of them, but there's some other ones too There's there's the one cop show I keep watching. I don't remember what it's called. No, no, it's in my watch list I'm trying to finish that I've got one season to go Some LA cop thing anyways They thark chimed in with a $5 Australian super chat. Thank you so much Man, sorry took a while to get to it because you are asking something relevant or making a relevant comment here You say it just means for you to play DLC every year instead of a new release The only difference in Ubi is that instead of realizing the $60 entry is the barrier. There's no real change Are you sure there's no real change? now look Assassin's Creed has micro transactions, right? Has paid DLC and has micro transactions, right? And what he's basically saying is instead of charging 60 bucks just release the same game and have Micro transactions and DLC But here's the thing you the real change is because you're not doing a $60 upfront fee You're not getting a complete game No one likes to talk about that with free-to-play Almost none of them are complete when they come out You're not getting a complete game because what's the point of free-to-play to keep you playing for years and years and years There's no end great. I'm still playing for it. Yeah, the free the free the point of free to play is there's no end Which means there's no complete game Which means that's the big difference the next Assassin's Creed game They don't charge 60 bucks up front You're also going to end up with one third of the content you would get in the last Assassin's Creed game Because they're going to give it to you in slow updates that happened over the course of the next 10 years They're going to turn it into a service because that's what free-to-play games are their services Right. Do you ever need to spend money? No, but are you going to get to experience the whole game if you don't know? Now some games are different multiply like fortnight you what's brilliant about that genre is you can legitimately play those games And essentially have no competitive advantage if you spend money or not Mm-hmm if you're good at fortnight, you're good at fortnight. It doesn't matter what skin you're using Yeah, sure. There are strategic advantages to certain skins like there's a skin in Call of Duty Warzone That's basically blacks out your character that obviously gives you competitive advantage in a darker game like that where you can kind of hide A bit better. So yes, there's competitive advantages to certain things, but it doesn't make you a better player And that's what's why those games are actually blowing up those battle royale games because yeah spending money doesn't make you better It just makes you look cooler Yeah, but that's not what happens in these games. I'll give you an example NBA 2k Love my NBA 2k games. They have a single-player game mode in it They have held bad like when they debuted of that single-player mode. It was awesome today Good luck having your created player ever become even an average a 75 overall Player in the game for his career by the end Without spending hundreds of dollars They have gimped it so bad that you can't even enjoy it unless you're willing to spend a bunch of money And that's what we're talking about the effect here is right when you go free to play and that's not a free-to-play game But when you go full free to play, that's what it is You if it's a single-player experience, how do they make money? That's like gimping you so bad You have to spend money if you want to kind of get it just wouldn't buy them And but I mean that I think about NBA 2k That's just one road in the game if you just want to play games online, right franchise mode You can still do all that that's why that's why I never really get mad at like mad and ultimate team and all that the only thing I get mad about mad and ultimate team is that I feel like their focus on that takes them away from improving franchise, right? But you still have your franchise mode you still can get ranked to play online matches, right? So like the base modes that you originally were buying the game for are still there These are like additional modes that you could just ignore but still right you can say well I just won't buy games like that, but here's the thing you won't have to buy them They're free and you won't have the option to buy a game You won't like as an example there won't be an option to buy a full Assassin's Creed game anymore This is the Assassin's Creed game. You want to play Assassin's Creed? That's it. You either go back and play the classics which they then rebowl They make them born again with remasters that end up just being more services That's yeah, that I'll give you an example and people Justify this because of how good it is, but it still bothers me to this day Final Fantasy 7 remake Amazing remake Why the hell do I have to spend more than 60 bucks to get the full game when I got the full game back in the day for that price? Don't even have the full game doesn't exist right now You pay for part of the game not not saying it's not worth the money That's personal preference. Mm-hmm, but you know when you buy Final Fantasy 7 remake right now today. That is not the complete game You are buying 60 bucks maybe more if you want all the extra little ditties with it again Because they found a way to extra little ditty you in that game as well Just for part of the game a fantastic part of the game But you know in your mind, that's not that's not all the final fantasy 7 There's gonna be a part 2 there's gonna be a part 3 and all the parts are gonna end up being 60 bucks a pot You're gonna end up paying almost $200 for what back in the day. You just spent one price Got the full game at launch and again, that's not even free to play But that's kind of what happens with free to play They don't give you everything. Mm-hmm They make you pay more and more and more to get it. So sure it's more like Like Nintendo or there was a some company that labeled it is it's not free to play and a lot of it's free to try Right, it's a free to download. Yeah free to start you could play for a couple hours And it seems great and then you hit a paywall Or we're or the game gives you so much that it's basically a paywall Mm-hmm, right. I did like me a dry and quest 11 s demo that you could play it for like 20 hours or so and it's just a demo, right? But if you decide to buy the game you continue on from From what you did in the demo. Yep, and and a third brings up a point like hey slow updates over a number of years That's what animal crossings between you're right They don't charge you for them. Mm-hmm. So when you that's included In your initial price of the game So you spend 60 bucks up front, you know, you're getting updates for years and that's just part of the game It's not like imagine instead of this instead of this start Splatoon 3 comes out Free to play don't have to spend 60 bucks But you want all the laps? That's 15 20 bucks here. You want to unlock more weapons or more different with different different types of weapons in your weapon Different cause that's another five-by-you want different costume costumes three dollars to change your hat five dollars to get a new shirt That's how they get you and you end up spending way the hell more than 60 bucks. Yep. How do you think fortnight makes money? Yep, you end up spending way the hell more than 60 dollars Then you would if they just charge you 60 and gave you free updates The way Nintendo is doing it is kind of counterintuitive to what the markets do it the market is saying Oh, you're doing updates for years That's a free-to-play game that you charge for all these items along the way that makes people end up spending way the hell more than 60 bucks Nintendo's like, yeah, no, just give us 60 and we're guaranteeing all this stuff in the future It's a very different way with it though because their merchandising is just so strong, right they make so much money from that and Their software sells really well and they have great install rates Like what I think right now at the ratios like one to seven switch owners how many games they've bought And I only imagine it's gonna get better as the generation goes on and I know Nintendo can afford that other companies can't And I have a brief responses to a serial in the chat shout out. See I don't just read super chat stuff It says each part is like a full game though, and that's probably in reference to Final Fantasy 7. Yeah I understand that argument But you know when you get to the end of Final Fantasy 7 remake, that's not the end and you know it You already know what the end is because we have we have Final Fantasy 7 go buy it right now Go buy it on all all platforms on switch. It's on Xbox. It's on go buy it You you know it's not the end like just because a new person who's maybe never played the game sees it as Oh, that's a complete game. And this next one is just Final Fantasy 7.2. It's it's a second Final Fantasy 7 game This is a third fun, but that's not factually what it is Factually they cut up the game in the sections because they couldn't get it all made at once and they knew they could take advantage of consumers and Sell them partial games not saying the partial games not fantastic Absolutely Final Fantasy 7 remake not shitting on the game. I'm shitting on the delivery method They are you are gonna pay a hundred and eighty dollars or more to finish a game To finish Final Fantasy 7 you're gonna spending a hundred eighty dollars or more if you buy them every time day one Think about that personally insane Like seven remake that much because when I played it it felt like there was a lot of padding And I just kind of want to kind of speak to your point a little bit more So like just for like for perspective, right? Let's say Nintendo does someday Reimagine awkwardly of time right where they go back to awkwardly of time and they remake it with like a breath of the Wild open-air kind of style engine. It's super epic amazing thing They add more side quests a few more dungeons they put things in between right sounds amazing But to kind of compare it to Final Fantasy 7 remake say that the in child child part of the game the first three dungeons That's one game and then the rest is a future game How would you feel about that? I would feel like oh That's No, that you know like you look at how much content breath of the wild offers you right like that's hundreds of hours of gameplay You know, I would feel like I Feel like they they kind of skimped a little bit Even though seven remake is a you know objectively a great game It's what you can you can take like 30 40 hours like that's it's not a short game But I'll also tell you there's other Japanese RPGs out there that can last you 100 plus hours And that's not out of the ordinary. So, you know, there is some interesting It's like people are gonna justify it because like oh each one feels like a complete game There's enough content there to justify it You're right and there's enough content in breath of the wild to justify charging you $200, but they're not charging you $200 There's enough content drinking quest 11 this do the same thing, but they're not could you give you the full complete game for that one price? This is not what has happened with Final Fantasy 7 remake. They are splitting it up and again This goes to the bigger context of hey the video game industry is changing This is just another example of a change that right now. We don't have any other games doing this what remakes like Doing a thing we've never really seen before And I'm sure there maybe there's some other obscure game that may be split it up between two parts. I don't know but Again, this is all about the changing gaming like this is the way gaming is this is what's happening Mm-hmm square is getting away with it They're selling millions and millions and millions so they're gonna get away with it Mm-hmm when there's that first free-to-play Assassin's Creed game comes out It's gonna have a hundred million plus players Mm-hmm It's gonna happen and they're gonna make way more money off of that than they ever made off any other Assassin's Creed game before Which is really gonna dissuade them from making an actual full-born I'll give you an example this year if the new Call of Duty bombs While war zone is killing it It's just gonna be war zone moving forward and They're gonna fire 18,000 employees because of it Because they're gonna focus on money makers or they're gonna go Call of Duty free-to-play I mean, I mean it's not like Activision doesn't already know what you can make off subscription fees and other stuff They have blizzard. They know about World of Warcraft Like they obviously know how to war zones killing it like and again not knocking those games I play World of Warcraft so to this day war zones fun. I've tried it out war zones fun I've got no problem. It's just what's gonna be the consequence of these games someday Because there's going to be we saw the consequence on phones when's that consequence gonna hit triple a gaming and Ubisoft is kind of saying Hey, we're gonna be the first ones that like it's really gonna change us now on The opposite end if those free-to-play games bomb then Ubisoft will quickly tuck their tails and go back to what they were doing Mm-hmm, but and again Ubisoft say they're done making you know normal games. Just they're making less of them and That to me is a fundamental change in industry from a studio that I actually really enjoy their content. Mm-hmm Sometimes it feels a bit samey, but um Like Immortals Phoenix rising that was Ubisoft. That was that's crazily creative Clearly inspired by Breath of the Wild and a ton of fun. I Love the comedy in it. I love everything about it and then they released that DLC for it and the DLC was like a whole new game It was awesome That's the kind of stuff that goes away when you focus on free-to-play Mm-hmm Again, the kids are gonna love free-to-play because kids always say I don't have to pay anything and then you realize Oh, yeah, you're using mommy and daddy's credit card and you're really paying a lot but and By the way, it's all about the whales. It's not about the whales It's not about the whales for some games. Absolutely some phone games. Yeah, there's like, you know 0.5% of the community lifts up the entire game in terms of finances But that's not the case with a lot of these games. We have seen with fortnight. I see kids in elementary schools talking about virtual currency You have to spend money for that. These kids don't have jobs. Mm-hmm. Where do you think that money comes from? These are kids. It's being ingrained in kids today. Mm-hmm That this is what it should be the way it's delivered on phones the way these bigger battle royale games do it This is the way it should be I'm a little I think it's okay for me to be a little afraid. Mm-hmm again Nintendo what what's cool about Nintendo is I think there's a last bastion of fully giving into something like that I've only because Again, Nintendo is making so much damn money doing games the way they're doing it most ever They they have the most ever in their coffers right now They are making as of this last fiscal year more money than they made during the peak years of we and DS Think about that for a moment one platform Making them more money in a single year than they made on prior Best-selling platforms ever for Nintendo. Mm-hmm from one platform Nintendo has nine point two Billion dollars in the bank. They refilled their coffers after just spending three billion dollars four years ago Refilled it and they're gonna be at ten billion eleven twelve thirteen easily by the time switch is done. No problem And that's they go and do the richest Spending spree. They're the richest company in Japan. Not the biggest company Not necessarily with the most assets right Sony's a bigger company. Some of these car companies are bigger companies but richest No other company can reach into the bank and show the kind of zeros that that Nintendo can It's exciting when you think about them using that money for R&D like what can they come up with? Almost with a billion dollars in R&D in this last year like that's insane Like what will switch to be like what kind of technology is it's gonna amount to you know Like so I think switch what they have accomplished with it with how flexible it is is incredible Yeah, I have to wonder, you know, what they're gonna do with some of their games Mario Odyssey with that engine is so special with breath of the Wild and what they've done that's so special What are we gonna see with Metro Prime 4 is something they're gonna really kind of blow our minds in terms of the Innovation and from a gameplay perspective like it's exciting to think what Nintendo could come up with especially they invest a lot and to Research and development for both their software and their hardware moving forward. Oh, yeah, totally totally agree there. So I don't know Eric, what are your thoughts on what like? How gay means shaping up today and what the future is gonna look like are you excited about that future? Do you think I'm way off base? No, no, obviously I I'm kind of with you on that one It does scare me that the the only options are gonna be the free-to-play and We're not gonna have anything, you know, like a normal what we consider a normal game anymore And you know, it's it's you hit those as there. There's the two different types of Kind of the free-to-play and as long as what the majority of them kind of go down the road of you don't necessarily have to Pay you don't have to pay to win But a lot of them I have a feeling are gonna go down the road of in order to even enjoy this game you're gonna have to pay some sort of money and That's the part that always sucks is the pay-to-win games and those are I Just get extremely frustrated with some of those games and because I've played a few of them and it's just like This is just dumb cuz you This hasn't yet I don't think this is bummed right up on a single new Nintendo Prime podcast tap sword baseball. Yeah Now Somehow they've gotten better. I have not spent a dime and my team is awesome So maybe they heard the criticism prior ones. I have no ideas. It's actually kind of nice But it's also one of those that's also because I'm not at the upper levels But where you've got a level your guys to a certain point they cost 1,500 gold level and then you got to spend money So it's like to let you get a fast start, but it's a hard finish, but to a certain extent though with that too is is you're not Playing necessarily head-to-head Well, you can Yes, you can but you know Where some of these like let's say, you know, I play a phone destroyer South Park for destroyer That's a wife. That's a that's still a head that is a head-to-head and you kind of can kind of see some of these That you get into a match and you you absolutely have no chance and that makes the game not fun I Still I still do this they don't understand why you play that game more than you play like the stick of truth and the other I don't know because So good the reason why is because my phone is handy and I could play a quick game at work Someone needs to learn to bring their switch with them at work It's harder Harder to go like this and it is to leave my phone on my desk and just kind of do this I mean great and not that anybody's at your office, but your switch looks like a phone You just set it on your desk. Yeah, and then play and play under the attach the joy cons and just yeah Yeah Some to me feels different with playing Versus a like an actual yeah, I might knock it. I just said like one hand gameplay of these games. They are so good, right? No, no, no, no, I got both of them on my switch man You got I got to give you my account sometimes you can play and they're they're so awesome, right? No, no, and part of me also feels a little bit less like Guilty playing like a phone game versus not meant to spend well an actual like And then major console game and you switch and you swipe it down You look at your play time to like oh, I played that thing right seven hours. You're in work today, right, right? Yeah, no, maybe I should feel about that, right, you know what I'm saying I'm not saying it's right, but you know part of me feels less guilty Playing a phone every by the way everybody sneaks playing phone games and boring times at work It's not that's not a new right, but and so that's kind of where I'm at with that You know as long as it's free to play and you can It doesn't feel like you have to pay to enjoy the game Where I paid to enjoy everything I do. Yeah, right Yeah, children where where you start getting into some of these matches and then The more matches you get into the further you get along all of a sudden you're realizing you have absolutely no chance of winning no chance of having fun because You know you haven't paid anything Those are the ones that scare me the most And it very well could End up in a lot of games going in that direction Making it rain They want you to make it rain all over on the everyone's billionaires, right? Yeah, we could all just piss away money Well I'll tell you that I personally Don't really like mobile games And it's not to sound like a hypocrite because I also am guilty of using my phone all the time and I'm playing games on them I usually play like a lot of like brain teaser kind of games puzzle game things of that nature But I I wish I loved the nintendo mobile games, but I really don't Like I there they seem to be of higher quality than most mobile games But I try them for a little bit and after a couple tries I don't think they're like like here's the thing. I think they're high quality Mario run. It's fun Yeah, like The first five hours and then you're just done. It's not like it doesn't really keep you wanting it doesn't Grip you and keep you playing like fire emem heroes. It's fun But then like I don't know I think what happens is We like I could play this or I could play odyssey. I could play if I'm heroes or I can go play three houses What feels like a better experience to you whereas a lot of other mobile games? There aren't really alternatives direct alternatives Like if you're playing candy crush or you're playing some some other game like that They're all kind of the same and there's not really that big of an alternative in terms of like getting a fuller experience from it, right? So like it doesn't feel as bad. You know play some of those brain teaser games That was brain age at one point, but like Besides those like there's just not alternatives Whereas like you play these oh, I got I got animal crossing on my phone, right? Yeah, but I also have new like I also have it on switch. Which one would I rather play? Right. Yeah, there's a better version on nintendo consoles. So I'd rather play the real thing I think that's something nintendo didn't anticipate is that like you really should focus on New games that you don't have Big console me And it's not that I don't I think nintendo should stop making mobile games because I think it's proven that they do still sell The mobile games still do well. It's all relative, right? Maybe not as well as nintendo have liked them through but still does well And what it has shown is it's a great way to market their games and An ip and it gets people to actually buy the main stuff, right? So, you know, um, I personally am not too concerned about Where the industry is headed? I do understand where you guys are coming from like because I personally would hate it If all we had were free to play games not a lot of really cool awesome single player games But I also think that If that were to happen if there were to be too much of a bounce towards that direction What's going to happen is that you know consumers are going to lose interest I think there's there's always going to be a demand for that And it's going to be fine. But to what I was saying earlier What what is going to happen though is that the ones that exist the single player games that do exist will be of a higher quality The companies that do make them they're going to be the companies that know they can put out one that's going to perform So yes, there may be less of them But the ones that are out there are going to be of a greater quality and there may be more free to play games But the interesting thing about that is because they're free to play There's less of risk in terms of trying it out. But let me throw this out there Because there's no other there's lesser You know quote-unquote competitors of that that single game It's kind of your ea Where if you look at madden The quality of the next madden doesn't get any doesn't get a whole lot better Because there's no there's nothing forcing it to go forward Where you know nowadays there's things that are forcing these to go forward It doesn't necessarily mean less options doesn't necessarily mean better games It could just mean hey You don't really you want a triple a game that you spend 60 bucks for and have a complete experience Guess what there aren't anyone else doing it anymore. So here you go. Yeah, you get And then we start getting whatever crap that I were almost over praising that game Because hey no one else is doing it But really it's not as good as it was when there was competition Right, and I'm not saying you're you're wrong either But if there's there's kind of two sides to every fork And you know where you could where it could be Yeah, they're better games because They have a little bit more time to work on them But there's also the the idea of they could be worse because What else are you gonna do? Yeah, I hear what you're saying I guess my my thinking and I understand what you guys are getting at There are some for game franchises out there that are almost repetitive with their consecutive entries because they have such A dedicated fan base that buys them every single year like the call of duties in the maddens, but I feel like And there's this is a mass generalization because to your point there will be exceptions like that But overall not that concerned because I do feel like that if that does happen What what will be the end result is that people won't buy those games So people will buy the games that are a higher or a higher quality overall that that's my thinking I just believe that the consumer will and make smart choices at the end of the day and invest what's worthwhile Yeah, I mean it yeah Yeah, I'm thinking the optimistic approach. Oh, yeah I took the total cynical approach. So it's cool to have acid. Um, that's good. That's good. All right Let's uh get to the wrap up here Um, because we got to wrap things up here. I gotta get some clean and done and all that jazz here But I want to thank andres restart for coming on the podcast Do you have any future content you'd like the teas that people should check out? Well, I appreciate the shout out and having me on uh, my friend. It's been a pleasure. Um in terms of planned content There's quite a few things as a pipeline I don't know when they'll come because I kind of react to news, right? So sometimes if I have something I want to do I kind of push it off But I'll list off a couple ideas I have in the pipeline I want to kind of talk about like the direction pokemon is headed I feel like we are headed in the in the direction of a voice acting you look at that That archie ish trailer with the voice acting in that and the look at pokemon staff which actually has voice acting So, you know, I feel like perhaps we could be seeing more voice acting in future pokemon games So we're sitting on talk about that I also want to put out a zela 3 video that's kind of talking about The return of gandor from what it means about the tricorps because it was missing in breath of the wild one mysteriously I feel like maybe there could be something there for breath of the wild too, you know with all three Being very linked zelda and gandor So, you know, those are some ideas on the pipeline In terms of news or rumor related things, uh, I may be putting out a video just kind of detailing how Good of a track record samus hunter is Right, so, you know, those are some things I have in the pipeline Good today. I just I just put out a video Talking about third party games we could be seeing at nintendo z3. So check that out My channel is linked in the description and I'm on just restart. So thanks for listening Yeah, well and you can find eric over on, uh, twitter at emo 87 90. He's on it, but he won't respond to you. So Maybe during e3, I'll give you a little bit A little bit if you guys tweet at him, especially if you're like trying to get my attention And it's not working Tweet at eric during e3 and he'll like he'll like Hey, we gotta talk about this. Yeah, you miss something and we gotta switch the stream over to something else Um So yeah, because I'm gonna try to say on top of everything. I have a lot to keep organized Um, eric right now is in charge of shipping, but that's after e3 Maybe I'll maybe I'll have him handle the email That people send with the addresses to ship things Maybe I'll have you. I don't know. We'll figure it out. We have we there's so much going on to organize still because I haven't even I don't want to get there. We have a lot going on for e3 You're gonna want to check us out You can also check on the restarts all his e3 and speculation and future videos He just talked about you can find me everywhere. I'm nintendo prime instagram. It's nintendo underscore prime on twitter It's at ninty prime. Here's the fun thing if you just type nintendo prime in the search in both of them I'm the number one result, baby. I should there you go the only one in existence Um, we also have technically a website which Might be used a little bit to your e3. Um, not so much that we're going to be updating news to it Uh, but uh, I might be feeding certain things through it Um, including some of the some of the giveaway stuff So stay tuned for that. I'm still organizing how all the giveaways are going to be done You do need to be there live during e3 to win. You cannot win if you're not present So that's one thing I can tell you guys and I can also tell you guys that um, I guess that's really all I could tell you right now It's the only thing I'm actually 100 sure. I've got to be for oh, you got to be subscribed as well Um, I can't require you to subscribe to enter, but I can definitely say if you're not subscribed, you're not winning I'll shoot. I'll draw someone else. So be subscribed Um, that being said, uh, thank you guys so much for tuning in. It's been a fun podcast This was episode eight of the nintendo prime podcast And we'll catch you in the next one Peace out guys