 Hey guys, give us just a second. We're about to start the show waiting for everybody to get in here I got Jeff Morgan and Jeff younger waiting show will begin in just a second Welcome to dad talk today. My name is Eric Carol and we have an amazing show lined up for you We are fighting for fathers all across the United States and all across the world where you can be glad to be dad Stick around guys dad talk today is about to begin Everybody welcome to dad talk today We're gonna be discussing the saved names case that we have covered before we got some updates yesterday that I think many of us are very very upset about and Brought Jeff on here to tell us a little bit about what's going on Jeff man the platforms yours, buddy We're here to fight for you tooth and nail tell everybody a little bit about the update that you got yesterday well the court Finally Manufactured a pretext to take my children away from me so that my ex-wife can continue to transition my son to a girl Yeah, so I don't know what to say man And but that is the best way that I've heard it done. They have manufactured a pretext That's what these courts have been doing. That's what we've been arguing about That's what you've been yelling about these courts are not basing anything other than on something they have predetermined rulings In mind before they start but then they have to justify their rulings and in this case right now I've read through the paperwork the temporary restraining order and also the memorandum This is nuts and Eric I can speak to this because I actually was down for the entire trial a couple of years ago I saw this stuff and obviously, you know, I've talked with Jeff on many occasions That my own research on it as well. This is absolutely insane Manufactured pretext is exactly what this is. We cannot let the stand So I say this this case is so complex of course We got the family law Corrupt machine that is involved in this but that's not all you had the LGBTQ issue and this has became very political It's almost became like there's two sides to this story and there I saw a comment earlier about how You know, we became far right and different stuff like this Guys that's who's helping fight back against this right now There are a lot of people that are in favor of this happening And that scares the absolute crap out of me, right? So forget about your political parties right now if there's somebody that's gonna help fight against this We need all the support we can get I think this is one of the most important cases going on in this country right now Because if this is allowed to continue, you're gonna see it all across the country I have said that numerous times the biggest the biggest issue in my case And I think it shows up in family courts across the country is that the whole the whole premise of the American justice system is on is based on adversarial presentations of evidence two sides get to present the best evidence they can get on an issue and Then an impartial judge decides by a preponderance of the evidence Which claim has merit or if some combination of the claims makes more sense, right? What family courts do with court-appointed counselors is They prevent the adversarial showing of evidence So for example in my case the the judge picked counselors that she knows personally that a practice in her court before and Disallowed me from getting second opinions from other psychologists or psychiatrists I've never once in six years seven years now Never once been able to get my own independent psychological evaluation The courts have never allowed me to do that because they do not want an adversarial show of evidence on this issue The courts are using experts to manufacture the opinions that they want so they can deliver the rulings that they want And if you brought I've never had an impartial judge. Let's be honest. That's true I've never had an impartial judge all of them have been What either way biased towards mothers or Way biased on the transgender issue to the point that they can't render an impartial decision And the case of the judges I've had both of those have been true Right and what we haven't even mentioned the gag order they tried to gag you from talking about this and fighting for your son Yes, it's one of the most unconstitutional things have ever heard though. Yeah, the gag order I mean I showed it to judges in Texas and their jaws just dropped like even even judges in normal civil courts outside of family court Are just I don't a gas at the gag order that they gave me I mean they actually barred me from talking about political topics They barred me from participation in the democratic process in the Texas legislature To cooperate with my fellow citizens to pass laws and to petition the government for redress of grievances These very basic rights that we have that our whole system is based on that we cooperate and inform our fellow citizens of important issues involving the government and the law and they these courts are routinely prohibiting us from that kind of cooperation and What I just decided was I'm not following unconstitutional laws Mandates or orders anymore ever again. I'm never following them again And I'm going to resist and disobey them. I'm going to disobey them on principle And I went around Texas telling judges in the audience that I am disobeying a court order and that I'm going to continue to do it I've invited the judge to throw me in jail for violating the gag order But she won't do that because she knows full well that when I go to the Texas Supreme Court I'm going to win and that's going to bind every family court from doing this again It'll be judicial misconduct to do it and she doesn't want to lose that freedom Right to take away the constitutional rights through fear of other litigants that come in her court Yes, they chose other reprisals against me Taking my children Assigning me all kinds of abusive attorneys fees and things like that. She's going to do it that way So she doesn't have to address the gag. I don't know if you can address that talking about these attorneys fees What what did that last meeting? What what about did that run? Can you give us a ballpark? The last hearing I paid over fifty thousand dollars for it the other side asked for a total of about sixty thousand dollars And legal fees and sanctions The judge didn't do that. Thank goodness because that would clearly be an abusive discretion But the judge did award me three thousand five hundred dollars in attorneys fees for her to file for late child support when I was never late Yeah Hey, hey Eric, let me ask a quick go ahead man I want to go back to what you were just talking about Jeff was regarding this the gag orders and everything I looked at the restraining order, which is effective immediately This order shall be binding on respondent on respondents agents servants and employees And on those persons an act of concert or participation with them who receive actual notice of this order by Personal service or otherwise what in the world does this mean? I looked at the order and basically all it was saying is that You're immediately strained from possession or access of the children It looks to me like that the order itself is just nutty makes no sense whatsoever Why should why are we concerned with? Possession of the children or I think what she tried to do I think she's trying to strike fear in us like what you were saying it keep us quiet Trying to make us afraid to say anything about this issue, but I don't know I said I can't understand this Do you have any insight as to what this? Ridiculous order. This is this is I believe the result of illegal collusion between opposing counsel and the judge Posing counsel in this case has been consistently saying that you Eric Carroll you Jeff Morgan The administrators of the save James page on Facebook and a vast army of anonymous troll warriors Online apparently I they have painted me as a black hat hacker in control of a giant troll army threatening the security of the United States Justice good and at the American way and so what they're using here what they're attempting to do is to set up a use of the law of agency To link other people to me so that they can be enjoined by the court So under the law of agency there are some requirements that are met for who is an acting as an agent for somebody else and If that's the case then the court can it can give them an injunction and gag them too So that's why their employees of course act as agents of their employer, right? So that's why the employee is there But notice that it says something more broad and on those persons in active concert for participation with them Right, you see the actual notice of this order by personal service or otherwise So what she intends to do is to serve this restraining order on all you guys. Oh, I understand that I Openly tell you, you know Jeff didn't ever reach out to me I reached out to Jeff and even if Jeff wasn't on this screen right now We would be talking about this case because we need our warriors to stand up now more than ever if we can't fight for this nine-year-old child Then what are we what are we here for? You know, and this is our right to get out? This is it this this this transgender issue in family court Is the it is the hill to die on right here? This is it Because if this issue goes all issues go because this is just a simple issue of whether reality is real Right is a boy a boy is a girl a girl. That's all this is about So let's let's hop into that for a second Jeff I know what we're talking about the gender transition people if you don't know the story go back to our former video We went through it and explained the whole thing. So with this new order. I do believe she is blocked from doing the gender Transition right well Okay, he's blocked from Giving James hormones puberty blockers or across sex hormones so she can't Chemically castrate him But the judge is allowing her to socially transition James absolutely James is that dress he's being taught that he's a girl He's he's registered in school as a girl The school is teaching him that he's actually a girl every authority figure in his life now since they've taken me out of it His life is going to be telling him that he's actually a girl and that his father is wrong that he is not a boy So they are absolutely transitioning my son and my experts testified at the previous trial This is keep in mind my expert. One of my experts was dr. Levine Mm-hmm who is the world preeminent expert on transgender medicine there He is at the pinnacle at the top of the pyramid of transgender medicine mainly because he founded the entire field of transgender medicine He's the man who went to the UK and got the practice outlawed in their courts Okay, so you can't do sex change surgeries on kids under 16 in the UK because of dr. Levine Dr. Levine gave extensive testimony in my trial That affirming a child as a girl verbally and socially is not a neutral intervention That it is extremely harmful to children because it affirms often cases what are delusions And it causes the gender dysphoria to persist and pushes children to chemical castration drugs It is not neutral what the court is allowing Not at all and I also remember to I remember so clearly when he stated he looked at the child custody Evaluation report by dr. Benjamin Albert and and he said with this one sentence I knew that he had no idea what he was talking about. Yeah, that's right He did not Benjamin Albright and diagnosed my son with gender dysphoria Gender dysphoria has two criteria criteria a is there a set of behavioral criteria Criteria B says that there has to be significant social or emotional impairment but Benjamin Albright and James's teachers his previous psychologist his pediatrician and his mother all testified that he's the happiest kid in school And has no significant social or emotional impairments if that's the case. He can't have gender dysphoria Yet they still diagnosed him a gentleman's for you and that issue has never been addressed And it's not been been addressed by the ethics bodies for psychologists in the state I wonder do we have any statistics on this gender dysphoria of kids that are growing out without that same-sex parent in the household I mean, you wonder why I mean a lot of these boys are termed infeminine, but they're also growing up with single mothers They don't have strong male influences. Let's be honest. They're growing up with single mothers who aren't really happy with men sometimes Right. Yes, and don't really want to have a son or think that their son is going to grow into The kind of man that their ex-husband was that they detest and they want to change that Most of the children most of the boys that you see being transitioned are being transitioned by mothers And most of them are in divorced households The most egregious case is out of canada with rob hoogland, right? And a really egregious case out of minnesota with brenton netts And what his wife what brenton netts's wife has done is just the same thing that rob robert hoogland's wife did She transitioned brenton netts's son without his consent or knowledge and chemically putting on chemical castration drugs and cross-sex hormones And jeff is knowledge or consent jeff isn't his son also doesn't he not have downs? I'm not positive. He has autism autism Yeah, and well, that's what we're also finding most of these boys that they're transitioning have autism because they're highly suggestible Right, right, and they're hurrying on these kids. Yeah, and and eric This is something that's also happening to girls too I mean abagail shire shire of the wall street journal wrote the book irreversible damage the transgender craze Reducing our daughters. This is not just happening to boys. It's happening to girls You're having girls going in for breast massectomies And they're not even in puberty or very very or in puberty This is crazy the whole thing that's going on and for us as a society And for these judges to not consider this to be abuse but rather to participate in the abuse Just blows my mind and for these attorneys and i'm going to talk about jessica janisak just for a moment She's with coons fuller In my opinion coons fuller is one of the they're very very powerful law firm But I think one of the most unethical law firms on the website they say, you know They're two sides to every store you need coons fuller on your side They will take your side if you give them the money Jessica janisak is basically advocating for child castration In the best interest of the child. That is what's taking place I think that some of these attorneys maybe we ought to do the same thing with their children and see if They might change their tune at that point in time. I mean, this is this absolutely Ridiculous the entire thing that's going on. Yeah, I mean marie grace in the comments here makes a great point If feminine boys are not girls. She says this thinking is asinine right right? Yeah, what's whatever happened to this like we recognize that there were a wide range of behaviors in boys Not all boys are going to be alpha male football stars um And my what's it what's really fascinating is in my case james is an alpha male like boxer. I mean he's Guys, you gotta see those videos Yeah, those videos that you show mean jeff. I mean that is one of the most athletic kids i've seen exactly He actually happens to be one of these alpha male athletic boys Um, but my my boy jude certainly is not you know jude jude is uh a much more sub dude He has an orientation to people's feelings um But jude when you jude even jude when you put him on the wrestling mat He's gonna whip your ass, you know that boy's gonna be a monster when he grows up But so and a lot of the spotlight we're talking about save james What what are some of the repercussions that you fear of this jeff when it comes to jude? Well jude and I have an especially close relationship. Okay, so Um, you know, uh, you can see the pictures on the same james facebook page You know jude is always in my lap Jude needs his father's encouragement and love uh, he uh, doesn't get what he the the kind of um encouragement and coaching that he needs from the females in the house where he lives now And he knows that okay, and i'm the only one who's ever stood up for him I'm the only one who you know and didn't even teach him how to tie his shoes She said it was too stupid to tie his shoes. She told him that well the kid has a little bit of cerebral palsy Okay, so he has a little bit he needs a little extra work with his finger dexterity So, you know, she told him he was too stupid to tie his shoes and wouldn't buy him tie shoes So I I taught him how to tie his shoes. She said you're too dumb to eat with a knife and fork Never taught him how to eat with a knife and fork I mean, this is the kind of environment my son jude is living in right now and This boy is is uh, can be can be seriously harmed by the emotional views that they they can meet out to him because he's um, I don't want to say he's tender in that way, but um, he responds to to criticism You know in a very deep way Eric and I also uh say something here because I've actually been with Both jeff and james and jude at a specific event and everything. I've watched them and I can confirm from what I saw everything that that jeff was saying and what I found very interesting was in the Extraordinary relief in this temporary restraining order It says the court having examined the verified pleadings and allegations of the petitioner Finds that the respondents actions as alleged By the petitioner. There's no proof just allegation would place the children in imminent harm and endanger the children's emotional and physical well-being Were the children to remain in his presence? This is an outright lie. This is garbage The technical term for this is crap. I mean there's no way to explain this stuff That the children need their father and they're saying right now that for him to be for the children to be with him would place them in imminent harm Maybe imminent harm from becoming emotionally damaged for life for because he they're not with him Hey, they need him to be that solid foundation for them and to guide them through this whole thing here This extraordinary relief that they would place the children in imminent harm and endanger the children's emotional physical well-being That is only true if you leave the children 100 with am which is what's going on right now This is absolute garbage nonsense. It's a lie. It's trash And but the thing is, you know, we call this judicial discretion the judicial discretion of the judge is allowing her to do this Stuff and there's no there's nothing that says here. There's no findings of facts. There's no conclusions of law She just examines something and comes up with this thing. This is again what Jeff was saying earlier getting back to the manufactured pretext to come up So let me just show you kind of the procedural hurdles this judge is putting up for me and the way she's trying to bias this case This this temporary restraining order I should it should go into place because the facts alleged in an affidavit by the petitioner and frankly by a counselor Rise to the level where they could cause emotional harm to the child So I have 14 days And I can have a hearing on this temporary restraining order Okay, and then offer and it's an evidentiary hearing and the court can decide whether it should stay in place, right But what did the judge do the judge issues the temporary restraining order? So I'm supposed to have 14 days to prepare an evidentiary case against it, right? And instead of just waiting she actually creates temporary orders that institutes permanently The temporary restraining order prior to any evidentiary hearing, right? So now even if I overturned the temporary restraining order The temporary orders would still be in place Then I'd have to file a new evidentiary hearing which could be delayed up the four or five months To to modify the temporary orders So the judge is is highly biasing this case by the use of temporary orders and prior to this she had used Um, uh, you know Meetings and chambers with no record star chambers You know as a way to do this. So this judge is this judge is not operating in a in a consistent and honest way There's so many crooked players in this right now. You talk about the judge. You're talking about the attorneys You know, I I don't know if people are aware of it You've heard of robert garz's case 43 false cps allegations and this was allowed to drag out for 11 years It's the same law firm guys It's the same law firm and you talk about, you know, I know people are saying we got to get this judge out We got to get this judge out these people have so much power and influence guys All they're going to do is get another one They're going to try to replace it We have got to organize and really become that strong voice And hold their feet to the fire when it comes to the vote You might not like politics, but you got to get involved in it And I tell you because this is a political stunt and I believe james is caught in the middle of it They want to normalize this this they want this to become a normal situation And then that just makes even more conflict because here comes another case inside a court that mom and dad are Going to fight over and that means more money. That means more Psychological evaluations guardian ad linems and the list just goes on and on and on and on That's they smell the money off of that. Let's please make this because 1.1 million dollars is what you said you've spent And how many years? Uh, my total accounting cost outlays, uh, brooks, uh, 600,000 My total economic costs are now over 1.4 million Rustin right said the courts are retaliating against advocates They are and I you know guys I even I was on a show that day and I started getting tagged. I saw they brought up our show in the court hearing Well, so guess what now you got a new one to bring up And we're gonna continue to bring this up and fight for it And Eric, I think that what russin is saying here too that point is very true But that's where the responsibility and the burden come upon us who they can't touch In a certain way. Oh, they can do whatever they want to but I know a lot of men and women that want to be involved But they're afraid if I get involved the court's going to retaliate against me When we don't we're not in that situation that is where we it needs to be the strong support and perhaps even the most vocal advocates regarding this stuff And Jeff maybe talk about this for a moment too the because in the memorandum that she issued there were further temporary orders Due to your unwillingness or inability To follow the order designed to quote serve the best interest of the children Um, there's a whole lot to unwrap in that first off. What she is saying is that unwillingness or inability if you're unable to do it She can put further orders upon you and this best interest of the child She does not have any clue what that means that is a completely subjective term made up It's an opinion by a judge Probably informed by the counselors that have been pre-selectively chosen and then if you go further down when it talks about, um, you know Family systems counseling with doctor threets and the children's counseling with dr. Fletcher remain as previously ordered And both parents are ordered to continue to participate and comply with the recommendations of the treating professionals The treating quote biased On professionals in my opinion. Yes And then the other the final thing is that I'd like to go to um You know, you have to pay all of this up But then she brought back Stacy Dunlop The as amicus to ensure the safety and welfare of the children and their best That their best interests are being served once again, whatever that means you both have to pay for him You've got to pay 50% of his amicus fees thereafter But I was I remember Jeff the very last day Uh that that I was there he came outside He before the before they entered the courtroom I brought him section 2503 of the texas family code because he took that one snippet of the video which Ann was interfering With your visitation and he took a very like one tenth of a second frame And he tried to say this is an example of you being a bad parent Correct and I gave up to him and I said what about this and you could see the look on his face It was kind of like oh crap, you know Because he was actually he he was Straighten and nat and he was swallowing a camel to use a biblical phrase about that He completely misunderstood what was going on But you know what he makes a lot of money by doing this stuff So I don't know. I mean I mentioned threets. I mentioned fletcher and I mentioned Dunlop I don't know if you want to speak about any of those or not But and then the idea of the best interests of the child. This is ludicrous Um, one of the ways that they punish parents now is particularly parents that fight Is they they uh establish amicus attorneys or guard net lines, but I think amicus attorneys are much worse Um amicus attorneys work for the court. They're basically a lawyer for the judge There's no corruption there isn't there and they make you pay for it And you cannot subpoena The amicus attorney you cannot compel testimony from the amicus attorney because they act as an agent of the court You can't it's like it's like compelling the judge to testify, right? So the amicus attorneys have basically unlimited license Guarding at lightems have very limit grab limitations on what they can do but not amicus attorneys That's the first thing The second thing is the meeting that I had with dr. Fletcher. She resigned Okay So what that tells me is that at this that something happened where the judge talked to dr. Fletcher Otherwise, how could how could the judge order us to see dr. Fletcher after she resigned? I don't even think that she I don't think this tip to be honest I look at this stuff here like you know an has the exclusive right to consent to marriage and enlistment in the Armed forces of the united states your children are nine years old I mean, is this is this going to be a temporary order that lasts for the next 10 years? I think she anticipates that I do think the judge actually anticipates that and But these are rights that are actually listed in the family code um one of the things too here is The reason that I denied consent for dr. Fletcher to see my children is because dr. Fletcher is affirming James is a girl and teaching him that he is a girl With a girl's brain and a boy's body right and I'm not going to allow any counselor to do that But now she has the I say this no court can order me To do it right at no court can order me To take my son to a counselor that's affirming my son as a girl I claim that that the court has no authority to order that I wanted to ask you something Jeff I think I might have put out some wrong information guys as soon as I saw it last night I didn't get too into detail. I was ready for war and I think we should all be we're at a war for our families right now But when it comes to how often you're going to get to see your kids and how you have to pay to see them How much time is it per month? They're going to allow me three two hour visits per month and it's going to cost me $500 per visit To be supervised by now Um pink wonder at pink wonder power asked a question of me I was gonna say that up to the task Were they really able to defend against the tactics of ants legal team? No um When I was at the meeting with uh, dr. Fletcher when she resigned Were the meeting I had to walk out of this meeting because she wouldn't stop referring to my son by his fake girl's name She refused to use his legal name in my presence So I finally had to walk out But while I was there I noticed that my my lawyer was making was communicating with jessica Who was online? Jessica jasek opposing counsel. They were communicating kind of with facial expressions and shaking of the head And I he was tremendously embarrassed to be representing me So I do not believe that I got effective representation from my lawyers and I fired them yesterday and today i'm proset And dude, I thought the whole time I was like jeff Could have fought this case for himself better and said these guys get paid Lots of money. They charge me $50,000 for that hearing eric. It was trash There's a trash here. They weren't prepared They didn't have the motions that I requested delivered in time My expert witnesses were not allowed to testify because they missed a deadline and civil procedure for disclosing those experts They made several material errors I was not I did not have effective assistance of counsel But you should not excuse by the way that the court used to appoint the amicus that my that She had concerns about the effective assistance of counsel in this case You know and and I get it man people's people's angers and what we're going through is So asinine what these courts are doing right now and I think it flares up But there's a statement. I just wanted to get you to talk on this jeff Scott putnam said jeff stop paying fees to your wife court and therapist You're paying for the torture of james stop What happens if you stop paying? Um, they it's a state jail felony in texas. They'll first put me in the county jail on contempt charges Eventually the attorney general will charge me with child abandonment and then I'll go to a state prison facility I don't think any of us here are here to take up for the system guys um The problem the problem with going to the loo stare at jail, which as you all know, I'm perfectly happy to do I went I went to the hearing with a jail bag um I'm not scared of jail The problem is it's very hard to find a legal case from the loo stare dallas county jail Because the judges order the uh, the jails to not allow the inmates to access the law library to pursue their case So they make them miss civil deadlines and everything else So at this point in time you go through the legal system you get the attorneys you show up to the courts You do everything you possibly can all these different experts on the case and it still keeps failing you Where do you go next? You're right russon has a great point temporary order should have time limits like three months Because because family courts are are unique in civil courts In a normal civil court Once a decision has been rendered. That's it the issue can never be come up again in court. You're done Right, right and that's that's considered a murder and it is It's a mercy to both parties right even if you lost and you kind of got a relatively unjust ruling at least it's over Right. Yeah, at least it's over. You can move on in family court. You can refile at any time It's never over it's never over. So for me, I've been under temporary orders for seven years My constitutional rights have been curtailed under unappealable It's temporary orders. That means I don't have due process protections here Okay, the temporary orders are not appealable And I've been under my my constitutional rights have been limited by those temporary orders for seven years And it looks like they're going to be limited for another 10 That's an undue burden to place on any citizen then basically what the judge is saying on the gag order is for For 17 years, I don't get to participate in our democracy and cooperate with my fellow citizens in the legislative process That's basically what she's saying nor we have your children. Yeah Murray grace made a uh a really good comment. I believe um, she said the majority do not believe in the trans rhetoric fear Is keeping public outcry at bay afraid of cancel culture. I I You can get fired for it. You get you know, I mean, it's all I saw a wonderful meme the other day Some some left his commentator at cnn had said, you know, um, you know, uh, that he that you know he was afraid of Of making statements because of the january 6 protesters and all this and somebody said oh, you mean It's like working in a fortune 500 company where you have to look both ways and whisper whenever you're talking about something Um, you know, yeah, I mean, there are real risks to speaking out There really are and the the whole system Even look The trans issue a majority of democrats A majority of people who identifies liberals self-identify liberals oppose That the uh sex changed the surgeries and a hormone therapies on kids Okay, a majority of them do this is really isn't that much of a partisan issue And yet still people are afraid to speak out about it. Right. What does that tell you? Yeah, jeff. It's not just that. I mean when your trial there was a trans guy Woman, I don't know. I think it was a guy who was now, you know claiming to be a woman and everything Yes, and and he what his comment was to me He said I always knew I was a woman But dear god, don't do this to children. This is child abuse Yes, and I've started talking about this and there are people that I've met that are trans people that are saying This is child abuse at least let the child try to grow up normal Yes, and and so this whole ideology that well, we can't address this I mean, I've had some some trans people say thank you for saying this because what it's making them look like It's moral perverts and whatever they're or either You know whatever happened in their lives is one thing But they're saying we do not condone this child abuse And this is coming from the trans people themselves Yeah, a majority of trans people do not support the gender transition of children. That is crap. Yeah. Yeah, this is not this That's what I say. This is an easy issue Very easy very easy everybody a majority of every demographic is against it literally every demographic So um, why isn't it happening? And the reason is rich donor class people want That's why And my i'm a conservative, right? I'm I'm as I'm so right wing, you know If I met a till of the hunt, he'd be a little liberal for me, but I could probably get along with him Speaking of that, uh, you know, I know we've talked about this before jeff But pissed off parent on youtube said our attorney general and abbott failed to do anything the last session um, I the governor If if he and you know, I saw his little speech that he did a couple of weeks ago It's either put up or shut up man. If you don't get behind it now you guys need to remember that Yes, here's the thing Not abbott could have gotten any bill he wanted through the legislature if he wanted this passed it would have been passed Okay, that's the first thing abbott blocked it in the legislature. That's number one number two We don't need a law That law was just to to force action by the governor, but we don't need a law This is already child abuse and all the governor has to do is direct cps and the police to simply make arrests and handle this issue From a law enforcement perspective as child abuse The role of the governor the role of the executive is energetic execution of the laws and abbott isn't doing Right abbott wants to allow this to happen in texas. Why people say why? Why would a right wing guy a republican guy like abbott want to allow us in texas? Because and this is why I was saying I'm guys listen. I'm conservative. I'm right. I'm I'm I'm so I'm not even sir I'm right wing. I'm so I'm beyond concerned, right? And my liberal friends really appreciate that because I'm real upfront about it I'm totally clear about it and we can love each other because they know where I'm coming from and there's a lot of common ground right But let me tell you my fellow republicans my fellow conservatives listen to what I'm about to tell you and you're not gonna like this The transgender movement is being funded by right wing republicans Not shocked The child transgender movement is being funded By republicans and who are right wing. It is not being funded by the left Let me repeat that Conservative republicans are pushing the transgender agenda not the left Two people in particular all name paul singer And james pritzker. He now goes by jennifer pritzker. He's a real ugly man in a dress So these are the two of the largest donors to the republican party I believe pritzker is the fourth largest donor and singer is now the largest donor since adelson passed away These guys are pushing this agenda singer founded the human rights campaign Which is what in texas we call the gay mafia They go they are a huge lobbying organization and they'll go after legislators kids. They have no limits Okay, that those are all republicans pushing this And abit gets money and power from these people. These are hedge fund billionaires and he gets a lot of clout from them Don't think it's an accident The goldman sacks is relocating its new york office down here to dalas Okay, that's an expression of the money power that's pushing the transgender agenda in in america You can blame the left for supporting child transition But you cannot blame the left for pushing it and funding it. That's that's all republicans. Oh, yeah, dude The one thing that scares me more than one of the far left guys is one of these establishment Um republicans that you don't know where they stand and I tell you the the republican party is full of it They really are full of those type of people and we got to call them out for what they are But on the other side of that now, I know when it comes to title 4d and different stuff It becomes a little bit of a controversial subject with this person But we talked to paxton while we was down in cpaq. You absolutely support you Um, he knows what it's like to be under a gag order and he's fought against the unconstitutional Gag orders. So that's it does support me um paxton um Paxton here. So I have a I have kind of a I won't say love. Hey, I say it's love and concern I want to have an intervention with my attorney general You know, I want to sit down with coffee and try to get him off of his drug habit, you know Uh, here's the problem With a lot of conservatives there in government Conservatives in government still act as though we live under a constitutional regime We do not live under a constitutional republic. We are not living in a constitutional republic The government has not been constrained by the constitution for over 100 years and we should stop pretending like Making constitutional arguments has any force in the in the world today has no force at all We should just stop making them and never mention it again. Okay These these things are silly. They're useless and the left loves it when we do them Uh, they say how they think about how naive we are, you know, we're we're making arguments from the constitution When the agencies are come, you know, the cdc is you know, you know, whether you like the the moratorium on You know on on renters are not Evictions are not the cdc clearly lacks the authority to do that And the supreme court has found that it's not stopping them from doing it like they're just not constrained by the constitution, right? Um, these are silly arguments. So what you have with ken paxton is a very is a very good man Who still believes that we should operate by constitutional principles as we confront the left, right? And he has a sense of and i'll put it in a in a nice way because i think it It should be presented and framed in a good way. He has a sense of of judicial modesty He doesn't believe that he should exceed the bounds the limited bounds of statutory authority and constitutional authority that he has Right, the problem is that the left Doesn't play by these rules. No, so you're you're taking robits rules of order to a debate And you're showing up, uh, uh, you know in a back alley with antifa with chains knives and guns And he's got robits rules of order. Who's gonna win? Right, obviously, that's not how to do it. So let me give you an example if if i were attorney general If i was advising an attorney general Or if some of these attorney generals were crazy enough to ask me for my advice, maybe you have better way to put it Uh, here's what i would tell him. I would say that ken paxton has been authorized by statute To go after human trafficking Right, right. He has a budget board and he can command Uh, the the state police forces in this regard. He does not need the governor There's no reason the entire border problem in texas could be classified as a human trafficking operation and attorney general acting alone could shut it all down Okay, second thing is What's happening to me could be looked upon as a form of human trafficking Absolutely of a young child For the purposes of removing him from one of his parents The church's attorney general if he if he did not have This unfortunate tendency that conservatives have to judicial modesty Could find a reason and statute to act but he won't act Because he's trying to be a good conservative. He's trying to model for us What limited government looks like we don't need limited government anymore conservatives. Okay We need activist conservatives who will use all instruments of government power To stop the abuse of children in the family courts period That's why you'd almost rather have a democrat on our side Because the democrat is not going to have any scruples about using everything in the government To go after our enemies in the family court You probably explained that better than I've ever heard man. I mean it's dead on dead on, you know And I know we've talked a lot about our our political Seeing and how it comes into this but I just got to ask you a question Where is the church? Where where are the churches on this issue right now? Somebody that could have so much power if not more than the government when it comes to getting the awareness out there Why are the churches sitting silent? I feel like they're scared Um, and and they don't want to get it out. I'm what what's your thoughts on? very simple if they if they get involved in a political issue They fear that the irs will take away their tax exempt status and they'll have to pay taxes like the rest of us Now this is a family show So i'm not gonna i'm not going to use the words that I would like to say but let me just say this screw them Screw them. I'm with you. That's Judas money that they're taking Christ told them directly To render unto Caesar. What is Caesar's and under God? What is God? Pay your damn taxes and preach the gospel you weaklings you despicable nest of vipers Pay your taxes so you can preach the gospel freely get over your fixation on money You know you're doing it by the way. It's why they're doing it. They fear it to no end Absolutely one of the hardest things that we fight with this movement is funding because most people have been through the family courts And we had the opportunity to go 501c3 and I was this close But I said if these guys come and fight for us, I want to be able to fight for them I might not be able to get the funding where I need to But I'm going to get out there and push and we're not going to be held back for money Yes, and the churches are scared to do that. Yeah, they are listen and then I walk the walk On this that Eric, you know this. Oh, yeah, I get invited all over the country all over the world I'm going to Europe all over the world to speak and talk on these issues I never take money I don't let them pay my hotels and I don't let them pay my trial Number one. I don't want to take money out of their pocket. They have activist work to do where they live Number two Nobody's going to own my ass I'm going to say what I want do what I want and do it my way and I don't take any money from people I'm not beholden to anybody If these churches would pay their damn taxes like everybody else in this country pays by the way Pay those taxes and then get in get in on these political issues and cultural issues Okay, it's time To stop letting that Judas money Stop these churches from standing up for children and standing up for fathers and I'm sick and tired of it And and every pastor I meet I take exactly the same tone You know those awful Father's Day sermons that these churches give Where they insult, you know mother's day They talk about how wonderful mothers are and the virtues of motherhood and on father's day All they do is talk trash about fathers I just adopt the same tone back to them pay your damn taxes You use scoff law and preach the gospel the way God told you to I'm glad you brought that up because just a couple of nights ago before this even came up We was in a conversation. There's people that say this is not a men's rights issue This for sure is a men's rights issue Our men are facing things that nobody should have to be the bias is The bias is punching people right in the face And then they still say that there's no bias against these men or fathers when it comes to the courts Any psychologist or anybody that could say that I think they've got ulterior motives We have a distinct problem in america with Reasoning about things that are generally and mostly true Right. Yep. People will say wait a minute. There are mothers that have problems in the family court They do and I know yes, and I've court watched for many of them and their stories are horrible I know one particular in fort worth is absolutely horrific. Okay. Yep That happens the thing is it is not generally and mostly the case We should reason about things that are mostly true Probably true Right. Generally It is fathers the largest transfer of wealth in the united states is from men to women in the form of child support All right. There's nowhere close to equal Payment of child support between men and women because there's nowhere close to the custody arrangements that women get compared to men Men are thrown out of fathers are thrown out their children's lives Vastly higher rates than women and we should reason about it in that way and let me give you an example of where similar things are the case it is Generally and mostly true that men are much stronger than women So physical assaults by men can rightly be considered At a different standard than assaults by women generally the case not a legal standard. I mean a moral standard, right? So, you know a punch by a 90 pound man Onto a 250 pound guy like me is not the same thing as the punch of the 250 pound guy Sakami and the jaw knocked me out Okay There's nothing wrong with taking account of these things and we can do that and we should do that We should reason about things that are mostly and probably true. The problem is we do this for women all the time No, yeah deal with things that are mostly true and probably true But when it comes to men We only deal with the exceptions that are that are women. We don't talk about what's mostly true Let me give you another one Almost all violent crime. We're in like the 95% range of violent crime is not committed against women. It's committed against men The biggest crime problem in america is violent crime of men on men Women are a tiny proportion actually of violent crime victims So this all the discussions around men and women just get distorted by this fundamental inability in america To reason about things that are mostly and generally true part of it's our language, you know in um In uk english and the english english Uh, you know church will said we're two two nations divided by a common language, right? The they they actually have different verb tenses Whether they indicate whether you're talking about the group as a whole Or persons in the group Right american english. We don't make these distinctions and so you get into all these crazy discussions But this is mainly a father's problem There's no doubt about it the child support statistics just demonstrate that conclusively the domestic violence Accusations prove that conclusively would this be happening if the positions were flipped? I do not believe this would be happening I believe no that if and I have an actual case right here in in den county That was 10 miles from my house Where a father tried to transition his daughter. So it's actually completely reversed. It's a daughter. Okay, father okay They threw him in jail for child abuse and took his kid away from him and gave it back to the mom Go figure full custody because his mom was a drug user because kid's mom was a drug user They put him in jail took the kid away when he tried to transition And then my ex-wife goes to transition my son and look what happens So we're here. We are in an isolated You know, uh, not isolated but a local geographic area and you have two radically different standards being applied What let's the media is part in this, you know, Jeff when you first started experiencing this they was all over it Where are they now? Where are they now? I mean, this is what they This is the number one thing. I think they should be reporting on right now Which I have plans to send out quite a few emails But why do you think the media has stayed silent on this? Well, I mean, I don't think, you know, it takes a lot of You know thought here about how the media deals with stories, right? Yeah, the media has a pre-designed in-state that it wants It wants to sell it sells a kind of a story about the world And this challenges that story tremendously. Oh, yeah challenges it tremendously it undermines so much About the common narrative That's being sold by mainstream media It's one of the reasons that I very rarely will even return calls to mainstream media reporters They they can't They understand what I'm saying, but they can't figure out how to weave the story into a narrative that their editor would ever approve Right. I did a number of interviews when jeff martin was there On interviews with nbc local nbc in dalas right outside the courtroom for my trial They had set up a camera right outside the doorway I gave interviews and they never aired those interviews. They'll never air it. There's a there's an unofficial blackout On any of the there's there's no talk of detransitioners There's no talk of fathers that are going through this britain nets has had almost no coverage in the mainstream media in Minnesota Rock Rock, houland has probably had the most mainstream media coverage in canada, but then the judge slapped on They could do that in canada. They slapped an injunction on news media So, you know, there's there's just no way for the story to get out in mainstream media that it does It just challenges so many of their assumptions Um that are built into the story that they want to sell the american people You really have to understand that um modern american media is propaganda You should not think of modern american media as delivering factual reporting Right, you're getting what you're getting is propaganda and that doesn't mean that you can't get truth from propaganda But in order to get truth from propaganda, you have to know it's propaganda and you have to read between the lines Right, exactly. Exactly. If you go to jiffyounger.me Which is kind of like my My rarely updated blog um, I have a number of writings about reading between the lines and about propaganda And uh, how you can practical ways that you can read between the lines Uh in media accounts Right, uh, you got a question right here. Jeff and i'm gonna work on something while you answer this But you said mr. Younger, do you have any advice to stop this from happening to other innocent families and their boys? I am afraid of what the left is capable of You have which one of the things that I could have done differently Um is I could have thought about the possibility of divorce before it happened When you get married You're not allowed to do certain things in a prenuptial agreement You're not allowed for example to determine child possession But you are allowed To determine things like Uh things around how you might raise a child like you can agree that the child will go to a christian school You can do those things right the only thing you're really prohibited from is custody arrangements Okay So I hate to say this but you should probably get a prenup before you get married And you should probably specify that any child that's born of the male sex will be raised as a boy And socialized as a boy and any child born of a girl sex will be socialized and and and um You know educated as a girl You're gonna have to do that kind of thing now. I will tell you in my case. I had a prenuptial agreement Um, it was voided that in order to do that the judge had to had to annul my marriage rather than divorce So I had a five-year marriage with two children and the judge annulled the marriage making my two children illegitimate By the way because they were born out of wedlock because it was never a marriage And in doing so Broke the prenup and allowed her to assign me about uh, $60,000 in uh in fees and um an award a a financial judgment So it's not a pure protection But I think you have to do that. Hey jeff take this. I think you have to I think you have to be very circumspect About even getting married nowadays Hey jeff, you know you're talking about the prenup. So we've been having this discussion with various people as well And um from my perspective, I would say that if you have made a vow to god The vow to god should have every much of an effect as a prenup Um, other than not you're saying that that a word to man or between man or whatever Is more important than about a god and when you have people that are getting married in church situation I mean the church does allow for some divorces doesn't encourage them But does allow for them under certain circumstances Um, the state completely destroys vows too So what I thought was you know looking at what happened with your situation the prenup When you thought you could use it it was considered worthless Same with a vow you have a vow to god You have a religious commitment and the state destroys it This goes back to the destruction of marriage and destruction of the family And the ideology behind what's going on right now is much deeper than what many people realize So I don't know if you want to comment on that at all or not, but no, absolutely right I mean, that's why I gave the example of my prenup being completely tossed out In fact, it was talked out specifically To take 60 grand for me And that's why the judge did it. Um, you know the there is no protection under the current regime regulating marriage, right Um, if you really if you I'm just going to throw this out there and some of our friends jeff marger won't like this I would live up in washington state I know it Um, but I've had this discussion with her Look, um, there's exactly one way for a man to have children in such a way that the children can't be taken away from him And that he has soul rights to them and he's secure in his posterity. There's exactly one way And that's through a surrogate Well Yeah, or you can have a surrogate legally. I'm just talking legally not morally. Yeah Legally that is the only secure way To have children. Yeah That is a commentary on just how bad The legal regime is right regularly marriage. Hey jeff what I was reading through this, um, the memorandum here that was prepared What I noticed was this under the exclusive right to consent to medical dental and surgical treatment involving invasive procedures given to an The except that neither parent may treat a child with hormonal suppression therapy puberty blockers and or transgender reassignment surgery if any without the consent of the parents or court order Wasn't that what the whole issue about was about so I mean I'm looking at this and I'm and I'm trying to read into it I'm saying This is what you were asking for. This is the one carve out But they've still effectively stripped you when you're saying this is what I'm fighting over So they're acknowledging that your fight was accurately correct, but they still want to punish you that's the way that I read it Am I reading that incorrectly or no? This entire order was done to punish me for violating the gag order But the judge won't actually punish me formally for contempt for violating the gag order because it was totally illegal and unconstitutional Yeah, dr. Fletcher actually told me this in the meeting that we had Dr. Fletcher said I'm so glad that you told me you won't obey the court's orders and what she meant was the court's orders to shut up about me and Um, and I told her I said yes I have no intentions of giving up any of my constitutional parental rights under any circumstances So, you know, I want to bring somebody else back up and you know Plenty of people down in the comments have been asking. What do we do? How do we get this going somewhere? I don't know if it would do any good, but uh I definitely want to do this right now if You could This is governor abbott's telephone number right here five one two four six three two thousand Call him and let him know what you think about this situation right here Ask for support when it comes to this he has the power To do something about this Jeff if you could say anything To governor abbott right now. What would it be? Step up do your job Energetically exercise the laws and protect the children That are under your care as a chief law enforcement officer of the state of texas That's it guys. I'm gonna leave that number up for a little bit But do you not underestimate the power of those telephone calls? Is he gonna do some? I think he should have done something a long time ago So i'm not gonna say i'm very hopeful, but we still need to get those telephone calls Coming through So eric, let me go back to this with governor abbott He made a tweet a couple of years ago regarding the save james case and i believe it was retweeted almost a hundred thousand times i'm not sure And and the first thing you know it may have been his most popular tweet But we need more than just tweets and words We need action And this is something like jeff was saying he could have taken action And and i know that there are other people And the governor could take action and they have it the legislator legislator could have taken action The judicial discipline bodies could have taken action right nobody's taken action. Yeah, no more words action Yep, and that's that's what we need guys. Um Where do we go to next where do we go to next? What do you what do you think we should be doing as a movement to get this? ramped up We can't talk about everything my view is very simple again You can tell like I just break stuff down to the simplest point of view right like I'm just a simple Texan You know look until What did jeffson say the if when the government fears the people there's freedom When the people fear the government there's tyranny. It's very simple The problem is judges don't fear us They are not afraid of us There's two reasons for that One the elections, you know, they they judicial elections in dallas county are won by like 3000 votes Right, they don't have to they can get 3000 they can buy 3000 votes right That's the first thing the elections second thing is the legislators Simply don't exercise their oversight over these judges. You know anytime a judge does something like this. They should be impeached Uh-huh Right So absolutely from a purely political perspective The way to engender fear is to use those disciplinary measures that are available We need to uh like for example with this judge that i'm dealing with mary brown We need to go into her constituency. They need to know what she's doing to children in her courts And we need to find 3000 votes that we can pay for or that we can get to show up and take her out of office And it doesn't take a lot of votes to defeat judges Yeah, okay. It does not take a lot of votes Jeff can you speak to the issue of public shaming? I mean, I think that that's something that we don't use as much It used to be effective You know when you put a scarlet a on somebody and put them in stockades or whatever whatever, you know What may have happened in the past but these judges I think The problem that I see here Jeff um and follow with me just on this It's like we cannot criticize the judges. We cannot ever criticize them in other words. They are inerrant They have the the they possess an attribute of God that they cannot error and that's why you know, they they they want the discretion We need to let judges have the discretion to do whatever they want to Whether it's unconstitutional, whether it's abusive or whatever And we can never question them. But I think what we should do we pay their salaries. They are employees of the Uh citizens of Texas and they make a lot of money most of money of these judges make more money than the governor makes or the attorney general And we need to be constantly having them on watch We need to be able to have cameras that are already in the courtrooms We need records and we shouldn't have to pay Right $5,000 for objective records, you know for me to just to get the transcript from that trial that you were at Jeff this is like over 11,000 dollars And you know in Tennessee if you were there they would give you a cd Burnout the cd of the entire thing So this is something that could easily be done here and even if you had to charge somebody Hey, it's going to be 50 bucks for the cd fine 50 bucks that's not versus The most expensive book that I have in my library right now with somebody's court transcript Yeah, I didn't I didn't pay for it. He paid for it But it was about maybe like it wasn't anywhere close to the amount of money that your transcript would have cost But yeah, the kini bottom has an excellent comment. She I don't know if it's a he or she but Mr. Bottom says what about um Judge brown pretty but pro craft castration you know this concept of Putting taglines on people jump taught us that that works. Oh, he did Okay, and we need to do that with judges They're you know, you know having a billboard where a judge has to drive by every day like You know with a picture of their face On a rancher castrating a bull saying this judge does this the little boys, right? That's I mean they really care about their reputation, but I think public shaming needs to come back And we need to stop deferring to these judges. I had two judges walk out of a talk I gave here in flower mount texas Uh at a republican club because I was criticizing judges and I criticized one of the rulings You know that judge uh, jeff uh where the judge gave custody to the x-wifes boyfriend I unfortunately showed up to one of my speeches and that was a real unfortunate thing for her to do Yeah, oh good. Well, I called her out on yeah, and she's a republican Yeah You know the worst decisions at family court in the state of texas are from republican judges and mostly republican women judges However, there was there is that one judge though jeff that said the court belongs to the people remember that one guy I think he's indentin in your area Please come please come. Yes And I still look forward to meeting him, but he's amazing Like he actually invited people to come observe trials in his court He even tells his his constituents when there are interesting trials That might change the laws in the county they live in And might have an effect on contracting or other things To come observe the trial so they can see what's going on and ensure that he's doing a good job And he actually asked for feedback Yeah I mean that's what we need. He's an amazing judge. Absolutely. Yeah, so we should do the same thing there We should keep praise on these public praise on those judges. Absolutely as we do a program right these bad judges Yeah, that's right. We we got a column for what they are. We can't put them all in a box We got some that a fight for us and then I think the majority is against this guys, but Not not a one size fits all I want to get through some of these comments though with you jeff So you can touch on them ted bush that I am so sorry for coming in late Was decision at the court or circuit court level if so, are you appealing and seeking an immediate stay and or seeking an injunction in federal court It was done at the district court level Is it is done that this judge intentionally does everything in temporary orders temporary orders are not appealable You can request mandamus relief, but that's on the clear abuse of discretion standard, which is almost impossible to me Federal court has what's called a domestic relations exception And federal courts will not accept Uh civil rights claims even from family courts and it's a travesty And uh, we probably need to work on federal legislation To change the jurisdiction of the courts and demand that they take those cases because the the judges did that on their own accord There's no statute that prevents them from doing that the judges just decided They don't want to take family law cases Knowing full well that all of these are civil rights violations and they'd have to rule Against most of the judges and state and state family courts Hey, jeff. Can I ask you eric before the next question here? I talked with some appellate judges in the past and they know that the family courts are a mess And i've also talked with a couple of justices that are on the texas supreme court one in particular And it seems to me that they know that they have a huge mess in these family courts and they want Cases to clean up the courts. Have you heard anything about that or not? Um, I I have I have observed a pattern You will always almost always lose At the appellate court level. Yeah, and the reason is there Almost I don't I don't think there's any family court judges on any appellate court in texas They just don't know what's going on and they just rubber stamp whatever the family courts do, right? And you almost always lose almost every case that gets appealed from the appellate level to the texas supreme court They slap down the family court Almost every single time right right and that's where we need to go with it. Yes And unfortunately lawyers are loathe to bring cases to the supreme court. I don't know why right Uh, kathy griffy on youtube said how can you still be so calm? This would kill me So, um, look, uh, I'm nice to everybody I meet. I'm friendly with everybody I meet but I always have a plan to kill So that knowledge that I have a plan lets me be calm and I can use calm Rational discussion as a weapon And sometimes that's a more effective weapon than a knife Oregon And so I'm wielding Uh, my ability to remain emotionally under control as a weapon It's very clear when you read this order the judge is attempting to get me to emotionally act out In a way that would allow her to establish even worse conditions Yep That is the that's one of the main goals and main tactics that's used against men in particular Uh, they insult their fatherhood their manhood their posterity, etc. Their livelihoods You know, like in my case they found that I was an unemployed Uh, you know, no good layabout Who deserve maximal child support? Right never contributed anything to the marriage financially completely, but he deserves maximal child support It's always a rich man, you know, these are the kinds of uh things that they do to try to insult you, right And what I always remember is, you know, the the insults of the wicked Are praise to the righteous And they gaslight you they want you to be upset and everything because that's when you don't think the best that They want him to not be calm Yeah, guys, um, you know, keep that in mind I and know sometimes you get inside the courtroom and some of the things you hear make you just want to completely Blessed out But uh, this this is a war that he's fighting. Um, I know you've touched on this before uh, jeff But I just I'm gonna go on it again for the record Huntress wizard here on youtube said would jeff support james if he grew up to be transgender of his own choice? No Um, I would get him help. I would do everything I could to help him But the outcomes are so bad For people who are who remain transgender the suicide rate is over 20 times the normal rate The depression rate is virtually 100 percent Um And the and there's no ability to detransition after you go through the full procedures in adulthood You can ask wall higher about that You cannot detransition. You can't get your penis back You can't get your balls back. You can't get your testosterone back. Okay So whatever whatever happens, you're going to be a permanent drug addict on hormones will arrest your life either way you go The outcomes are so bad for transgender people And the and the outcomes for people who identify with their biological sex are just so much better That I would seek to get my son to identify with his biological sex and get him all the help that he needed to do that and you know Also to caveat off of that guys We was on a call with a former transgender last night You know, we hear about the consequences that goes on the suicide rates are completely skyrocketed Um for transgender and and they they can't ever do it back. So um That's not to say that you wouldn't still love james But to just I mean, of course. Yeah, I mean, um, look your any child that has some significant impairment like that Of course, you love them and you try to help them adjust to it and uh have the best outcomes in life The best outcome in life Is definitely not to remain transgendered now. They're uh dr. Levine You know my expert at my trial testified that for a very small number of people and we're talking very small We're talking like in his in his entire 30 year career a collection of less than 100 people that he's he's met And he's he's all he's done is transgender medicine. He invented the whole field You know about 100 people who who really could not function as human being without this That may be true. That may be true. Um But even he always tried to get them to identify with their biological sex because the best outcomes are there Yeah, and what about john mcqueen out of uh, wasn't he out of the john hopkins center that he shut it down as well Yeah, they shut down that clinic after four years because They got the same numbers that they're starting to get now because they've intentionally avoided the evidence for for about eight years And in in these modern clinics, but they could prove that their treatments were harming patients Yeah, so it should play it down on ethical principles. Yeah, yeah And you know jeff what you've mentioned a little bit you alluded to it Is that you do not have a boy who turns into a girl? You have a mutilated boy and you don't have a girl who now becomes a boy. You have a mutilated mutilated girl Um because our sex is at the chromosomal level You know no matter what you do if you cut off a person's sex organs or whatever All it is that you've mutilated a person. Yes, you have a mutilated a person And that does not do anything else and I mean robert mccallon says the best outcome is love and supporting your child no matter what I don't I don't actually believe that um You know if my child is the self harming and cutting themselves and they identify as somebody who cuts themselves or It gets radical tattoos and you know modifies their physical appearance and the way some of these people do Um, I'm I'm of course. I love and support my child, but I don't support those things right Yep, love and supporting your child doesn't mean love and support everything the child does Yeah, right any more than loving and supporting your friends mean you love and support everything they do Hey, my dad didn't tell me what I wanted to hear. He told me what I needed to hear Hey, real quickly here. I've got to uh get back to work. I took some time off to be here I've got some training coming up. Uh, keep going Thank you, jeff for being here. Thank you, eric for being a spokesperson for this We are 100 behind you And it's been a privilege to know you the last couple of years Unfortunately, we met each other because of this whole thing. I couldn't believe that it was actually taking place I thought it was a I thought it was a made up story But um, I do appreciate your friendship Yeah, and uh, and I do have to take off right now to get back to take care. Good luck Thanks so much. Appreciate it. You too. Thanks. Thanks guys. All right, just uh, I'm gonna try to get to these Supporting a transgender child doesn't mean affirming delusions Supporting a child means trying to get them to adjust to what's true That they are but they're biologically to it particularly to identify with their biological sex Yeah, man, and uh To go off of what jeff just said about people not thinking it's true This this is a true story somebody commented in right here said eric tell them about right side broadcasting news laughing at us So anytime I'm at any of these conferences when you guys see me out and about I'm going up to every single one of the media telling them about jeff's case and john mass case And this is one of the the times, you know, I'll I'll send jeff to contacts. Hey, they want to talk about this I'm gonna go on um They actually laughed they laughed they was like you you were completely making this up. This is not true How many people have actually said that to you when you are talking about your story that they don't even believe this is actually happening Um, you know, this has been the main challenge that I that I had when it first started happening Um, I couldn't get anybody to believe that it was happening um You know my own uh state representative, you know didn't believe it um I had donated to him and helped him get into office and he came as a courtesy to one of the hearings And halfway through He just was speechless and he ran out and started calling all the other legislators like um The people still you know, I told talked earlier about this delusion that people have that they still live in a constitutional republic And that somehow your parental right your constitutional rights that are protected by the constitution Protected by statutes that somehow the courts are going to help, you know, going to go to obey the law and Protect your rights. That just isn't the case anymore. This doesn't happen anymore um similarly We have a thing where people think the courts operate as these sort of disinterested Dispassionate Arbiters of facts that are brought before them and they're not they're they're uh organs of ideological change And They uh, they're used for social change And they are also in control the family courts in particular are in control of massive amounts of federal money that go to the states And they're really managed in that way. They're not um, they are not impartial They are not uh disinterested They have a pecuniary monetary interest In keeping fathers away from their kids And they're going to pursue that ideologically with a single minded focus and they'll do whatever it takes till any lie it takes And a judge will commit any felony it takes on the bench to make that happen Yep People without a hard time believing that these things go on. That's all. Oh, yeah, absolutely man I mean there's times where we're telling people about it and they're really there's no way this is true and Tatiana butler said i'm wondering what would pay uh, what would paper when boys will become teenagers and ask to live with dad Will they diagnose them with some mental instability at what age do the boys have the right to have a say? I believe that's around age 14. Isn't it jeff in texas. There is no right of the children to Live with what parent that they want in texas at the age of 13 They have the right to address the court independently and to make their wishes known to the court directly But the court doesn't have to do what they say or what they request the children have no say Uh, huntress wizards said what would it take for it to go to the supreme court Is if he means the supreme court of texas Um, it would mean that we have to have a carefully prepared case that the appellate courts could not shoot down One that had all the timely objections and all of the cost the texas constitutional issues And texas statutory issues that would create Either a clear abuse of of rights under the constitution Or would prove a disagreement between district courts in the state of texas that the supreme court would need to adjudicate And that takes significant legal work and most lawyers are not Intellectually equipped to do it Most family court lawyers are not trained to do it And and of the ones that are very few have the will to do it Yeah, uh, marie grace made a comment. I like this. She said would you support an anorexic by allowing them to starve themselves to death We need to uproot the cause of a delusion and treat it with body positive cognitive therapy Yes, the the fundamental issue is Uh, we have to we have to say That the aim of therapy for transgender youth is to get them to identify with their biological sex Because that's where the best outcomes lie Yep, uh, alexi taluma said is there a way to get back to a constitutional republic? Is there a way to stop us from being governed by policies instead of unalienable rights? Well There's ways and then there's ways um The political ways are first of all, you're going to have to constrain the agencies Um, the agencies are blatantly unconstitutional Um, they violate the separation of powers principle of the constitution And that's not me saying that that's the people that created the agency system That's the that's fdr's brain trust back in the 1930s when they created the system You're going to have to get rid of the agencies and you're going to have to turn them back into executive departments instead of independent organs If anytime you hear independent agency, you should hear independent of the people's control Yeah, that's what they are The second thing is um without without, uh, electoral consequences there you're not going to ever have any change Because electoral consequences Uh are about the only thing you've got but here's the problem with that Even if you had electoral consequences and that's debatable whether you do anymore Um all the donor money that's given to candidates when they get out of office to keep it So the donor money is actually more important than even electoral politics And one of the areas our movement hasn't done a good job in is targeting donors As much as we should be embarrassing judges and legislators that do bad things We need to go after donor donors who are giving money to these people 100 look up follow the money.org guys everybody that's on there. You can see who's donating the lobbyists which we know Uh, the the lobbyists that are becoming pretty famous. They're in texas behind all of this But um check that website out. You can see where they're getting their money and then you yeah And you need to threaten their businesses with boycotts and protests Yeah, and letting letting everybody know just what their their business actually supports what their bank actually supports Um, and you'll get change really quick. You get very quick change if you can affect donors Hope on youtube said is an ordered to keep you informed via a talking parents or our family wizard No under this temporary order the judge explicitly says she has no duty to notify me or inform me of anything about the children Kathy griff v uh said do you think society will ever look back at this promotion of transgenderism and say what have we done? I do I think ultimately, you know the I believe in kind of a shoelace theory of society in history The uh transgender Movement it has gone so far away from objective reality that there's going to be an inevitable contraction back to it If you look back at some of the other truly horrible fads in psychology Um look back to electroshop therapy on kids Psychologists used to do electroshop therapy mainly on little black kids for behavioral problems In the 70s. It was extremely common Text it was so common that texas passed a statute outlawing it in the 1970s It's coming back now by the way, but we don't have to worry about that in texas because we outlawed it Okay, and that was democrats that did that So democrats gave us the time when we can interfere in the personal decisions between a doctor and a patient And that's when there can be permanent harm to a child And I think we'll look back upon this as something similar to electroshop therapy and psychology Cf on youtube said can you name that judge please one more time and what district he's represented? I believe it says she right it is judge mary brown 301st district court In dallas county texas yep all right guys, um And we've been going for a little while now jeff. I uh You know, we're here for you man. Thanks, brother. I mean we're here for you and I would ask any other Organization that's out there. This is the time that we unite and get some stuff going Is there anything that you would like the people to know before we get out of here and guys I was I say that and i'm gonna get jeff to get off here in a second because I want to say something completely Independent of him just this will be eric with dad talk But before you get off man, is there anything you would like to say it the platform's yours, man man, you know folks go to the save james Page on facebook just go into facebook search for save james You'll see updates on this whole issue. There's there's scientific research there There's all kinds of things there that you can look at. I know they'll keep you up to date on the case Um, I appreciate your prayers for my sons James and jude a name them after the brothers of jesus. Please pray for them Please pray for me that uh, you know, I can I can stay strong and and fight in a legal system in a peaceful way To free my son from this tyranny yep, uh Really quick the one that comment on youtube. She was talking about the good judge that you was talking about earlier Um, that's uh jim, uh jim johnson in dentin county Okay, all right Again guys stay on here. I got I got some message uh a message for you. I want to share with you jeff Right before you get out of here, man. You want you want to say a little prayer about this situation? Yes, uh, let me just say that our father and that's what I pray for my sons all the time our father who art in heaven How it be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one For that is the kingdom the power and the glory the father the son and the holy spirit Both now and ever until the ages of ages. Amen All right, brother Thank you All right, man. Keep uh keep in touch with me. I'll I'll be hollering at you. We'll do take care. All right, man all right, so guys, um This is what I'm gonna say to you right now There's never been a more important time to stand up. What's for what's going on? I say we are at war for our families jeff is just one of these situations These stories are coming in by the thousands. I mean every single day We're hearing more and more stories of this corruption going on and texas is one of the worst states that i've seen We're talking about the same law firm here that's doing this to jeff that one of my best friends robert garza $600,000 this guy spent over the course of 11 years fighting for his children and every time he fights off a false allegation Another one comes. There's so many players that are inside of this and until we organize and show them that our voices are loud We are the people you're supposed to be working for us We need to take back control Usually I try to stay away from stuff like this and I want to say before I get this out I'm saying this independent. I'm saying this is eric carroll with dad talk And I'll be reaching out with different people about this situation Uh jeff has nothing to do with this later on this month. We are planning right now We are gonna rally out in front of that courthouse and I want each and every single one of you in this movement to show up I'm gonna invite every single speaker governor greg abbott right now I am issuing you the invitation to show up and fight for the families in the state of texas The candidates that are out there. I want you to show up and show us that your voice is going to fight against this corruption If we do not stand now, this is going to continue to happen I will get the details out to you a little bit later on We are going to come together and we are going to make sure this happens. Everybody needs to show up Everybody we are going to save james. We're going to make sure that this does not go on anymore And we've got to organize guys. We've got to I can't stand here in these cases anymore A nine year old kid If we can't stand for the children if we can't stand for this, what can we stand for? So please stay tuned with it guys Love you guys and uh, I'll talk to you a little bit later on