 Thank you for joining us now in our discussion and if you just tuned in, this is why 254 discussion Monday we are looking at the political scope. What has happened in the last very few days, just over the weekend the deputy president took the country by surprise by acknowledging the handshake, something that many people if not all will agree it's something he has not done since March 9th 2018, right Don? Yes, I think the handshake is, we can't lie that the handshake was a blanket, something everybody can see. So I really think that the deputy president either he must have acknowledged the handshake behind the scenes or simply chose to keep quiet about it until the right time, which I think was this weekend. The critics are like you have had all this time, all the platforms you've had, but now you had to see it there and then, why politically speaking? Well, the politics of this nation is one that requires a lot of persona, a lot of space and a lot of well choreographed platforms. So I really think that the deputy being that he was in Kisumu is cold to be precise. He needed something that could take the day to where it was. I really think that any other place he wouldn't have said it. I can bet on that. Kevin, what's your take? He says it's because he was in Kisumu and he had to appreciate and acknowledge the handshake, what's your take? No truly, you know, politics about interest and the politics that the deputy and the likes have been playing, they've been doing it to countercheck the BBI. So maybe they were wary about the outcomes of the BBI and we see Kuruakot also coming up with something sort of a referendum that was also the intended intention of the BBI that you actually to go for a referendum. So you see Kuruakot's referendum push has rattled many and you can see now leaders uniting against Okot's referendum. I think the change of tune is actually to find out whether the BBI has some sort of, actually they will have proposals that will be admirable to Kenyans. So what Okot is coming up with is to counter what the BBI is likely to give us. So the DPP in this case, or the DPP to president in this case, you have seen what the Okot's bill as the Kenyans or the MCAs are a bit not jitari with the Okot's proposals. So I think change of tact is a political strategy. The DPP to president is a witty politicians reading the moods, the referendum is something that is coming. So it's better you start changing tune. So it's kind of both of you agree that it was a political statement made to try to get to something, but now days will move. Yes. Already it's like three days since. Do you think DPP to president wherever he is right now he's regretting or he's like clapping? Oh no, no, no. We must all admit that the DPP today in today's Kenya he appears to sit at the apex of the political game. However much many might not acknowledge. We have to admit that is one of the wittiest politicians we are having in this nation today. But you have a majority of been saying Amisha? Well the majority always wrong. Don't forget that too. So I really think that wherever the DPP president is right now if in any case he's focusing on what happened over the weekend which I really think he is not. In case he is then I think he thinks he made a political move. So yeah he's clapping. And in any way do you think whatever he said has an impact on his colleagues and other politicians either existing or upcoming? I think that it has a huge influence on the upcoming and of course a small influence on the existing. The existing today has it that we have two serious groups today. We have the president Kenyatta Rahila group and we have the DPP president group. All the others fall within the two. I imagine anybody can be shouting to be apokatikati. The truth is they all fall on one side or on both. So what I think is this. The DPP president talk over the weekend was not just a hearsay. That was a well choreographed and well preplanned speech. So he knows that with that he turns down the opposition's hate towards him. And as such one or two people might easily think that probably he wants to work with Prime Minister Rehliu Dingasun. So the influence there right now but again in future admit that we have less than three years left before the next government is formed. And however much I also have huge respect for the Pungusam Zigo bill it might about 80% it might not see the light of the day. So like my colleague here saying the speeches going forward between now up to the near future say 18 months are not just going to be hearsay on the streets. However much they might be spoken this street. There will be well choreographed talk that were well arranged and have got huge impact right now on going forward. Kevin Don has said maybe DPP William is looking to working with the Prime Minister that is former Prime Minister Rehliu Dingasun. But now there's a time when he was in the Rifti Valley Rehla said DPP William Ruto needs him if he wants to be the president. Now that they were in Kisumu. Is it a way of trying to say I'm not acknowledging what you have done and it's true I need you. Does it? Not necessarily acknowledging but you know depending with the environment that you are in. Politicians are made in such a way that you tell the people what they want to hear. So that was a good we would message to tell the congregation. Actually even got applause from the mourners of the congregation because that was really what they needed to hear. But I'm thinking that the DPP president has caught a lot of people with surprise. Because quite a number of the perception that has been in the public limelight is that the DPP president has not been for the BBI or the handshake. But we will find that he is the troops and the ones who have been very loud about the handshake of the BBI. And the DPP president has never been clear whether he supports or he doesn't support. But one thing he has been clear about is that he doesn't need an expanded executive. That is something he has been very clear about. So I also think that if a proposal to expand the executive is in the BBI or the report that we are getting to get from the BBI. Don't see him going to change a lot or deviate from what his position has been. So to support or to say that we are working together to ensure that unity is fully banded president. To mean that he supports whatever will come out of the BBI. So far we don't know what the report is going to be all about. We will be touching on that. Just one minute. I think the discussion on Moshi Mewaraila's take on the other time when he was at the Rift Valley. That statement does not need to be overstating. And I really believe that anyone who underestimated the impact of that speech will be forgiven. Because trust me, one thing the deputy president acknowledges better than anyone is that he is unlikely to succeed. Or to sit at the apex of the national leadership without rail loading. So I really still doesn't know exactly if that is what he was doing in Kisumu the other time. But him and his camp acknowledges the same. So I really think that over the weekend was a full time political game. But actually since the inception of the handshake he has been against it. And there came about three factions of people. There was the embrace team, there was Kielueke and Tangatanga. And just yesterday in Muranga County in his speech he was kind of calling it off when he said let's now work. And now it is alluded to me the Tangatanga and Kielueke team have been disbanding. So what are we looking at? Will these people continue campaigning because they have been doing that? Don't be mistaken. These are politicians. They remain politicians. How much they are leaders too. Politicians are dealers much more than leaders. And as such at every given opportunity they get they always want to tell you what you want to listen to. But I would sincerely appreciate if the deputy president Dr William Bruto meant that the Kielueke versus Tangatanga war. The cold war comes to an end. Because the Wanjiku, the Utyeno, the Nyango, the Kimanis down there have really not benefited from the war. Whether it's through the BBI, through the Kielueke, through the Punguzan Zigo. They have always been talks and who ends up on the losing end, the people on the ground. So I really think that while I don't want to overstate what he said yesterday, I really still think that we don't need to start celebrating. The cold war still looks to extend further. It will continue. Let's touch on the final thing about the BBI. Kevin you've been touching on this in your sentiments and the report is ready. And the chairperson Hajji says now they will look into it. And one of the things that people have been proposing is seven year term for the president and then we'll be having eight prime ministers. This will represent the eight provisions that we have. How good is this deal? In as far as the seven year term is concerned because we've been having elections after every five years and we've only seen that there is only election violence where the president is going for a second term. In the year 202 and 203 there was no violence because nobody was defending a seat. So that is not to say that there are no other factors that get us to violence. There are so many other factors like electoral injustices. But if you look at all the violence, the conflicts around elections most of the presidency will find that these conflicts are when somebody is defending a seat. So having a seven year term would mean that nobody is defending so nobody will be fighting for a reelection or something of that sort. So having a fixed term, a one term of seven years, I think it will somehow sort issues of conflict in surrounding presidential election. That does not mean that we don't deal with the electoral injustices that has been happening surrounding those elections. Then talking about the eight prime ministers, you call them prime ministers, now I've not seen the reports, I don't know how they are calling it. Talking about the eight represent the former regionals I think that is a question of unity or inclusivity trying to address who is not in government and who is in government. So in short, you are in government when your political kingpin is in government, has been appointed in government or not because even the current government, they say that everybody has been represented. But we don't, as a citizen or as a common man, you will not see that you are represented when your political kingpin is not in that government. So to address that perception that you are only in government when your political kingpin is in government, I think that's why they are coming up with such a solution. But my thinking is if we can deal with the electoral injustices whereby elections are run in a free and fair manner so that whoever is declared a winner accepts that he has won and whoever has lost accepts that he has lost, then I don't see the essence of bringing in the positions that we are talking about because that would mean that we are increasing our wage bill which we have been talking about as injaring our economy or affecting our economy. Don, as a Veniatan president, in this era of corruption you know if you get there, you have nothing to gain or lose. What you will have of you is a name. Don't you think we will have solved the historical injustices in our tribes of Kenya but also we will have damaged our moral virtues in terms of corruption? Because if five years a person steals how much if you give them seven years and they know they will not be coming back? I tend to think that we are giving too much relevance to the presidency which is a single office in a nation of over 50 million people and even if we were to go through the eight prime ministers we are still going the exact road we are in we are just changing the clothes we are just the same people I tend to believe that a change in our constitution through the referendum might solve maybe a half hour problem but it won't solve the problems completely while I really embrace the upcoming change I wish that we could look at it more critically because having a seven-year presidency term doesn't solve the corruption issues that are bedeviling this nation doesn't correct the poor even collection across counties does not really correct the main issues such as huge prices in skyrocketing prices in food the poor relations we are having among tribes so the intended changes that we are soon having they are very good for this nation but actually they will not solve most of our problems so I think that a seven-year one-term president I really still have not gone through the report so I really don't want to come up with a clear one-to-one decision that's good or bad but I think that for now if that's what is good for Kenya I am for it now the head of task force Haji said it will be presented to the president that is next month so we wait and see if it will be implemented now I want us to conclude by your comments or recommendations as a nation in terms of politics where are we and where are we heading now that we have seen what the deputy president did over the weekend he acknowledged and just called for the groups or the troops that have been campaigning out here what do we expect tomorrow my last comment first I would wish to take the opportunity to sincerely appreciate the deputy president efforts in acknowledging the BBI and say killing off the koodu that exists between KLAWK and Tanga Tanga I just wish to plead with him and all the other leaders that our responsibility as leaders is to bring the nation to one to bring the nation as one to God to all of us so that every Kenyan feels a sense of belonging we don't want a situation in which a kid in school tells you that when you are Tanga Tanga or when you are KLAWK and this kid still growing up so already they have ingrained with the view that we are having a nation that is divided so I just pray that we just have a nation that is fully one thing and if we can get that let's all move towards that direction if we can get it through the BBI combined with KLAWK and Tanga Tanga into one thing plus okuru okuts Punguzam Zigo we can all see it as a nation and come up with one thing that is going to lead us to peace that I think is where we should head before I move to Kevin do you think this bill will go through because most of the leaders that we know popular leaders have refused it the Punguzam Zigo I just said in the beginning that it will not it will not is taking it to the county level unless ok we have the truth and the lies the truth is it will not I really appreciate and I just hope Moshi Moukot is watching this and if he is not someone else is watching it and will pass it over to him the only way that this is going to happen which we might not want as the best but it's the best way possible right now he should swallow unnecessary pride that is gathering he should go down to the president sit him down with the president the deputy president the prime minister Wote Wakete Chini and then they come up with something that is one right now Moshi Moukot walking around the county is a very good thing it is a constitution right but it is not adding value to the common man because if he does all that and then in the end the document is taken and thrown under the desk how is it helping us so Kevin your final thoughts yes my final thoughts actually the message that we got from Laboso's burial think the leaders should take the message and practice it so that we can move on as a country let us turn down on the political temperature let us get down to work then I want to say also let us not ethnicize the one corruption let us support the DCI let us support the DPP then let's get down to ensure that our resources are well used on a courts bill the message is very good but the messenger is not accepted so you know our assemblies very beautiful recommendations how to fight a graph they are very beautiful but the assemblies the majority of members of the county assemblies they are from a political parties and on courts parties not represented in those assemblies parties have taken position and I don't see the bills getting the day of the light but I'm sure most of the Kenyans are asking why should we trust the message and not trust the messenger alright that's the message because it's not following the right it's not following the right way alright gentlemen many thanks for coming and sharing your comments they have been my guest Kevin Adipo political scientist and the political analyst Don Anaklet coming up next is why Marsha Wiki I will see you on Monday again till then have yourself a very good week and good night my name is Dereva Hilawi have yourself a good night bye