 Before we start let's um because we live in these days and times and uh we pray for all of our staff and everyone who has been adversely affected by this virus. Let's have just a silent word of grace particularly for uh Shanique and her family if you would let us pray for just for this day and for all that you've done for us Lord we bow to remember those persons who have been afflicted with this virus and particularly we pray for members of our staff. We pray for them in such a way that they may fear your power and your presence. Be with us today as we go through and discuss this very important aspect of Bull Street. Lord we ask you to claim it in your name. Amen. Thank you all. What I want to do is uh I know uh Chandler has a presentation but I want our assistant city manager Henry if you would start us off. Yes sir thank you so much Mr. Chair, Councilman McDowell, Councilman Duvall, Councilman Davis thank you all so much for providing us another opportunity to continue our discussions about renaming of course the Bull Street Park and in our last meeting on January 14th the recommendation from the committee was to allow myself Robert Hughes who is the president of the Hughes Development Corporation along with Chandler Cox their project manager to develop a criteria for public for a public input process in addition to the recommendations that we've already heard from Dr. Bobby Donaldson as well as Robin Waits and of course Robert Hughes was not able to join us on today but of course we have Chandler Cox with us and she will in turn present the recommendations or the proposal before the committee today and I just want to thank Chandler as well as Robert for the dialogue that we've had to come up with this particular proposal for the committee and in the absence of our city manager our city manager has reviewed this proposal as well so without further do I'm going to turn it over to Ms. Chandler Cox to walk us through the actual proposals. Great. Chandler just before you get started I want to make sure the other council members have a copy of that that what you're going to be presenting to us today. Sam you got a copy? Yeah I got it. Okay I'm sorry Chandler go right ahead. No problem no that's that's great to know that you guys have it at least if not in front of you but that you've seen it so far and I want to thank y'all for allowing us the opportunity to come talk to about the idea of doing soliciting public input for the Bull Street naming process. I know there's been a lot of work done by this team by Robin Weitz and Professor Robbie Donaldson on some other options too and so we're really excited to sort of incorporate all those ideas and hopefully some public input too to really have some great buy-in to the park so what we have proposed and we've worked with the Assistant City Manager Simmons and his team is to do a sort of a three step process or three phases as a Bull Street park naming process. The first phase of that would be a public input period for ideas similar to what the Baseball Stadium did so in I guess 2015 the team started soliciting names. He used a lot of the input that they got from the public when coming up with the Fireflies brand and the name for that so I think it was a great way for the public to get involved have a say in the project that is really going to be their park and in that case was their ballpark so excited to give people a chance to do that and what we would propose doing is we actually purchased NameBullStreetPark.com and have that be a bit of a form so we would ask that people submit an idea for a name whether it is a person or a you know just a word like Citizens Park which I know was was brought up on this call last time on the 14th when I wasn't able to join but a lot just generate as much of as many names as we can with those public input and then we'll have a date that basically that gets cut off so from there we would work with the City of Columbia administration take out any names that might happen to be nonsensical or inappropriate and then work with the with Robin and with Dr. Donaldson and Historic Columbia and USC Center for Civil Rights History and Research as well as this committee and the city staff to sort of call down those names to about five or ten and really that gives us an opportunity to highlight those five or ten options and what that could mean to Columbia a little bit of history about why they were chosen if they might be a good fit and then from there we would work with the team to come up with some recommendations that would go to this committee then City Council so that really is the is the meat of the proposal you have in front of you I'm happy to answer any specific questions but really the goal for us was to develop a recommendation to the City Council for what we currently call in just the Bull Street Park as its official names engage the public for their input be able to highlight key historic figures or or any other naming options that could be great and then really just drive awareness about the park itself too so we get that community by in and as soon as it's open there are even more people out there than are using it now. Achen, let me ask this question. Yes sir. The other figures in addition to the figures we when I say the figures the persons that we talked to with Robin Weitz and Dr. Donaldson are there any suggestions on your end in terms of will that public input generate additional names? I think the public input would generate additional names so we would come up with sort of the public list combine that with the list that have already been put together and then we can work with all the teams to sort of come up with five or ten that may be good recommendations we can highlight and then also send forth. Okay thank you. Yes sir. All right. Mr. Chairman my only my only question was the time is the 105 105 days going to fit with when we need to get a name on it. I'm not sure if that was a question for me or for Councilman Duvall but from our perspective I think we can make that time framework it allows us you know the ability to just have it named right now the park is people are using it so it wouldn't preclude anyone necessarily from going out there. Right I used it this morning and took the took the walk and got run off by the geese. Well I'm surprised I didn't see you there I was rushing in from Columbia just just a minute ago. Well I'm glad it was geese that were after you man. I know. There you go a grass seed out there. Yeah we've got it going now. Looking good I tell you it really is. I have a quick question so Councilman Duvall are you proposing that we shorten that time frame I know that you know at some point we want to do a official ribbon cutting and of course the desire of course is to officially open the park up to the public definitely before the summer so is that is that your question about maybe shortening the time frame or what are your what are your thoughts. Well I think the 105 suits me all right but I wondered if it fit into the to your schedule really Henry to get the name on the park but as Chandler says it's a useful part now with just the name Bull Street and there are a lot of there were a lot of people several dogs and geese and Duvall's out there this morning so I think it's being used yeah I wouldn't suggest shortening it unless there is a real reason to have that name for an event that you might have scheduled if you haven't got the event schedule we can wait till the 105 days is over and then schedule it later. I don't we don't have anything scheduled I think you know we were going to leave this leave that up to the will of this committee and with a with a ribbon kind of associating this with the name as well so really I would just like to make sure that we get it officially opened and do the grand opening of course before the summer hits would be my my thoughts. Okay 105 days would represent what's the parameter I know the parameter of time is 105 days but we would probably be looking at the first part of summer right. 105 days today would be June 10th so we could you know shoot for a mid middle of June event and I you know I believe that this has to go back to city council for a full vote I don't know if that's one or two readings but we would need to of course you know just look at those the scheduled meeting times yeah but right it should be it should be a resolution for that will be one one reading say again Patrick it should be a resolution not an ordinance so that's to take one reading all right so that handles that one reading and we're looking at somewhere around June 10th here either earlier afterwards something like that you got you got two 15 day review periods in there too it could be we could pick up some days by being ready to review this the information after the 30 days so that we don't use an extra 30 days for reviewing it that would move it up earlier in the summer so if y'all could be prepared to get it get us in a schedule meeting soon after the 30 days instead of waiting 15 days so that that would speed it up a little bit yeah and instead of having a July opening we might have a cooler June opening I think that's a great idea councilman Duvall and if we decide to go forward with this it might be better to just go ahead and you know calendar some meeting times go ahead and get it out on people's schedules yeah we do need some prep time to get everything together and the first one is the setup of the 15 days but to get you know the website set up and everything but we'll we can certainly discuss shortening some of those time periods yeah well I think it gives us the latitude to sort of be in a season of adjustment I think we could adjust it in such a way that that generally you guys could sort of do what you need to do within that parameter of time and of course be ready for for ribbon cutting so I think I think what do you all think what do you think uh Sam um I I'm uh I'm okay with Henry's satisfaction of this and I think the timeline makes sense to me yeah after we get past the first 45 days which is 15 days for the setup and 30 days for the public phase one then the rest of those 60 days are really our schedule so we we can compress that by being more prepared to act promptly after the timeline is is over and get it back to city council maybe in the main meeting so Patrick I want to make sure I think you're right Howard I think Patrick I want to ask is you sure I shouldn't say you're sure I'm sure you know but this is a resolution that only takes one reading correct that's correct but that puts us in the parameter of time where we want to be and we don't have to do two readings on that right well I would suggest we go ahead and adopt the uh proposal uh by the bull for the bull street district uh as presented with the uh option of compressing those last 60 days according to uh uh staff and council schedule okay now can I can I ask just a question for clarification hey Robin nice to see I'm just curious about yes ma'am I'm curious about the the parameters and this may be a question for for Chandler but you know when when you asked um when you asked us and Dr. Donaldson to put together a list of potential names you asked us to focus on African-American history people in the African-American community who'd made contributions to the bull street campus is that still going to be part of the parameters for public input or will it be a broader invitation to submit I'm happy to take that one councilman Duvall um we are a hundred percent supportive of naming the park um after an African-American individual who is related to the site but I think we want to solicit all the public input um that that may be out there that could be valuable and and would potentially be worth considering so I would like this is Pam Benjamin um Chief of Staff I like pictures doing weird things today so I'm going to just bounce off of um Robin's comment um just from my perspective it's a little I think we're going to I'm afraid we're going to go in some direction that's going to take us away from the recommendations for the African-American um suggestions that we talked about before um you know I'm I'm all about public com comments and public input but I'm also concerned that it's going to take us in a different direction and that you're going to get maybe a lot of feedback that's you know that's going to distract from going in that direction and I'm just I'm just concerned about if you get you know a lot of feedback that's not related to a name of an African-American for the park how are you going to choose between some of those suggestions and the focus that we were going with with the with the suggestions that Robin and and Dr. Thompson made well my my thought on that is that we need to open it up for any uh suggestion from the community I think that clearly the city council has an inclination that it should be uh in honor of an African-American or some neutral name like Healing Park or Citizens Park and other that we could have an array of of names there uh and then it comes to first it goes through the staff and your review and then it goes to back to this committee which I think the three of us are committed to coming up with the right thing and then it goes to city council which I think has a commitment to have an African-American but I don't think we ought to tell the public uh that that is the only thing we will consider Sam um I could disagree with you on that one Howard I'm uh I I agree with Pam I know that I think we're we're not off base in demonstrating our uh commitment to public use the lee lee way we have is to go in the direction that we originally agreed to go in and that is to name it as after an African-American given the history of that property and and the contributions that the people that we uh would consider have made not only to that facility um but to Columbia in general you compare the namings now um with other names in this city including streets I I don't think I think that has been a demonstration of uh the public having their say but the original intent I think if we deviate from that we're going to end up with more ingredients in the soup that we need to put in there and it's not going to provide any greater nutrition than what we're trying to get now a few and if I might Mr. Reverend Dow this I did make a meeting um you can always count on a great chief of staff and a great ACM to convey what needed to be conveyed from my perspective so Pam has certainly done that um and I would just um I guess and we're just here to give guidance but you know my guidance always comes from a place of what the original directives were from the entire council and then you all went into committee and so with those directives that were given and the input from Dr. Donaldson and Robin and those um I guess for me I'm also trying to help you all have a process that is um streamlined but still um provides an opportunity for the public to see and give input but give input on what has already been presented in such a wonderful way and I guess quite frankly if these are certainly the parameters that the council is trying to work around with African Americans who have had some tie to the site and or the broader healing type themes I'm not quite sure what else you would be getting if you put it out there if those are the parameters I mean the people that Dr. Donaldson and Robin uh suggested are so I mean they're so well done they've done the homework they've done the research um I'm not I'm sure you can never say you won't still get something on par with those names but I think we'd be hard pressed to to receive that so if indeed that's what the council is trying to uh work around I thought we were going in the direction to put those names out to the public and get you know let the public digest those give feedback on those and go from there I mean you just have to be careful about saying what you want to do and where you want to land and then putting something out so broadly as Pam's um described and then putting the staff in the position to then weed out things that have absolutely nothing to do with what your original intent was now if y'all are going to be ready to help explain help us explain that and and the Hughes development is going to be ready to help explain that then um so be it but I mean I do have to stand up sometimes and say and remind everyone what what the um possibilities are there and I'm not and I'm not in big favor of being that person to have to weed all that out I would yes I would well I'm I'm sure that all of us agree that the council's uh direction was we need to find a suitable way to honor African Americans that had a significant part in the development of Bull Street property and the list that Robin and Dr. Donaldson gave us is a good list but I've gotten an email I think he went to all the committee from um about Hilliard Bell and I don't think that's on Robin or Dr. Donaldson's list but it's it sounds like that family had an interesting contribution to Bull Street too and it's an African American family so if we're going to put it out to the public I don't think we just ought to limit it to the names we already have I think we are oh maybe if you want to state that we are looking for African American connections to the development of the Bull Street mental health property uh there may be African American families that feel strongly that their granddaddy built the whole place and it should be named after and we just don't know about that that's true but from what I was hearing that those um parameters were not given as part of the presentation well initially I'm sorry go ahead I would well uh I would be perfectly happy if we bluntly state that the intention of the council is to honor the commitment and the progress made by the African American people that that helped develop Bull Street yeah and I think that would certainly be necessary um to get the end product that Ms. Wilson stated I think you you know you need to be very specific about what you're looking for if that's the case well one of one of the things I think we need to I need to mention of course is that our original intent in our original conversation was to identify African Americans associated with the Bull Street project that was that was the conversation if anything I would certainly uh sort of veer into the lane of saying if there are additional persons who are African Americans related to the Bull Street Bull Street project that would be that would be fine but I think and I think we want to be very we need to be very we need to be very careful because it can become or has the possibility of becoming very distracting in our routine yes ma'am you don't mind me jumping in hey Robert hey how you doing I'm I'm great great I was uh I raced back from Columbia as well with Chandler and I got in here in time as well to join so I'm happy to see everybody great we did you hope you didn't get a ticket while you were racing thank you they were looking for me but they didn't find me I'm sure go ahead channel I'm sorry no problem at all I just wanted to say we are not intending to replace any of the work that has already been done um and just wanted to add to that um I think we could make the commitment to help sort through all those names understanding that they're going to be things that are not related or appropriate that maybe still get to this smaller this smaller group for consideration but the committee you know the council members here are the ones who choose those finalists so I don't know that there would be any any harm in looking at other options like the Healing Park that Councilman Duvall or you know somebody has a great idea like that not precluding them from submitting it um because we already we've got an idea what we're looking for and and you all still have entirely in your ability to say these are the five or ten that we want to choose maybe they all come from the list that's already been produced but I don't know that we want to limit the ability for people to contribute from a public perspective yeah and I I'll only add to that because I have Chandler and it is not our the the way we wrote that and I talked to Henry about this numerous times as we wrote up these three steps was um the intent is not to go any other direction whatsoever the intent is to go this direction I know this is a I'm going to be our 100 goal is to meet exactly the intent of what Dr. Donaldson and Robin were tasked with doing our thought and just the perspective was if it's a really broad step one um even with the I like the idea of saying the intent is to honor um uh an African-American of historic significance or group of or or some or some make some statement about what the hope is for the name of the park but if you start it really broad you can hopefully get more interest um more people talking about it more exposure and then remember all those names um aren't going to ever be public uh they don't have to be public I don't I mean maybe y'all will tell me otherwise but um Bull Street will be out soliciting the names um and then this committee the group of three council members will say here are our five to ten finalists and those five to ten finalists can be names they can be themes they can be um anyone and those are the only names that get published and then we would take comments of those names and those names would be the names that rose above all the others in your mind um but that was our intent our intent was really just to get very broad you know um lots of input that input would come to Bull Street we would then give that input um those answers once they're again once it's sort of these are names that are reasonable to name the park then this committee with the help of robin dr donelson um the real experts in this field says here the five to ten we want to publish we want to get actual feedback on and that those might be all again all five to ten names that were on the original list they might be five to ten names that none of us had thought about like the name Howard just mentioned that will be your decision that will not be our decision but that was the intent the intent there is no intent whatsoever to move away from the directive or even remotely away from the work dr donelson and robin did that work is phenomenal uh it was really more of just if we're going to do something big in public uh why not and if we're running this um which we're volunteering our time and our dollars to do if we're running it we want it to be as big as it can be and then let it narrow down to this one champion name that we all get to celebrate with a big event so that was the intent and I hope that's clear that there's not been any intent whatsoever by this proposal to move away the the goal is to just get an even more well known uh more energy more excitement around what this part uh becomes probably what would be the what would be the um one of the things that we've talked about even today um what about the whole notion of making this because we've already got we've already got names that uh that uh that we have listed names rather and their contributions is there any way possible we could sort of narrow that down and say from the Hughes from both UN uh Chandler that this is uh an effort to engender African-American participation in the park as you wrote as you wrote your piece out Chandler um it would help us tremendously if we could say because again and I don't want to be I don't want to be redundant but it could become very distracting based on the based on the names we already have can we say that uh we're going to put out there perhaps African-American names associated with the park and that become and that become an inclusive emphasis so I guess your sorry I'm sorry I would the way I the way I see this possibly possible going is we have two phases of the going public uh phase one will be uh an invitation for the public to help us name the park we may want to put a caveat in there that the um direction from the city council is it it needs to honor African-American uh families or individuals that had a substantial part in the development of the mental health facility in bull street district so we may get other African-Americans that we don't have on the 15 that we already have identified at our last meeting but then the committee gets together and limits that pool down to maybe 10 names that says five to 10 names but let's say we do you 10 names and we send that back out to the public in phase two to identify the people uh to identify why they were chosen uh and um from that list we get feedback from the public and that feedback the committee gets back together again and either uh decides on a name to present the council or one or two names or three names to present the council uh I think that's the way it was designed to go phase two is taking the final let's say the semi-finalist and and sending their names out to the public why they were chosen as a semi-finalist and see what the public has to say about that group and we get back together again and then we choose either one name or a couple of names to take the city council and and one other piece of that Howard that might be missing in this is is we this is not I don't I think what this is is a private developer of the park running a naming we're running a public will you help us develop a name that we will take to the administrative committee we hope the administrative committee likes and then suggest the council right this is not a city's running a naming contest so I wonder if that helps the distinction but if it doesn't I mean I'm just saying it you guys could always come in and say yeah I'm gonna aim it let me say Sam yeah I it helps me understand it Robert and I I think you're reminding us that it's a private development and then you know the city really doesn't have a dog in that fight to be honest the public park this is gonna be a city park but the contest the contest would be privately run with hoping for recommendation for the public part I don't know that that was my understanding of it as when when we were directed by the councils so no Robert I'm not sure that I totally agree with that um I'm not opposed to that's what the council wants to relinquish because that's what they would be doing I mean quite frankly I thought that beam was in the was in the write-up but I could be I haven't read it I don't I don't think we're relinquishing anything because everything comes back to the administrative committee and to the city council well I'll do respect Mr. DeVall I think the way the conversation started then and all the work that we had asked for Robin and Dr. Donaldson to do was commissioned by the the council directing staff to do that and so had I known that it was more going in the direction of which you know it doesn't matter to me either way but you know me once I get clarity and I've been given direction on how something's being done then I want to see that through now if I guess my question to Robert and Chandler would have been would be then would you have solicited the suggestions from Dr. Donaldson and Robin for your private developer um commit I guess the way you're describing it Robert so I think that maybe we need to all work together as we have been and and try to get a clear understanding on how the private developer running a big broad campaign um and I understand why you would want to do that then you would need to to see all that through because the problem that from my perspective and just a little bit of having done this for a little while wisdom talking here you're putting the council and the staff in a position to still say and not that much of a transparent way of what I'm hearing you say is you would do the broad thing and then we would never talk about all of the different suggestions that came from the public so you want to solicit from the public but then you want to narrow down in a way that maybe things were weeded out and my advice on that always is start like you want to finish say what it is you're trying to accomplish with clarity and go down that path and I think that's what Mr. Deval just described in his three-step approach because it doesn't start you put it out there but you're still saying the parameters around what you're wanting to achieve what I heard you say was you start very broad but then we'll pick and then we'll put it back out there so the question is going to come to somebody is how did you get there how did you narrow them down and if you're if you're willing to answer that fine. Sure and I think what we wrote said and Teresa to back up for briefly we were not informed at all that Dr. Donaldson and Robin Waits were asked to do the work they did so we we came to the we feel like we came to the party a little late and all we really asked for and what we hope to do is add value by driving up interest and by soliciting broader information if the city wants I mean if the city wants us out and not to be involved at all and that's what I'm hearing that's fine too it's just what we wanted to do and it's much what the fireflies did the Columbia Fireflies city owned ballpark they're leasing the ballpark they're coming into Columbia they want to be a part they solicit broadly they said we would like names for what the new minor league baseball team in Columbia should be ultimately they didn't release a single name that was submitted and they said we're going to be the Columbia fireflies what we thought is we'd go the same route we'd say we've got this we bull street development have just in partnership with the city built this wonderful new park I like the idea of saying we would love to use this park to honor the work of African Americans on this site specifically or we leave that out it doesn't matter because our fault was you take every name that comes in we then whittle down sit down with Robin Dr. Donaldson the administrative committee Henry we then say guys let's come up what five to ten do we all like on this list maybe they're all from the original list that was put together earlier maybe they're all new we put those names out everyone there's no voting it's not who gets to vote it's not any of those things it's here's feedback on them have did you know that this person did this oh we didn't know that that's interesting oh I like this hit something else then the committee says we take that data and the Dr. Donaldson Robin the three council members say here's the name we like and in our minds we've now gotten great press about bull street park we've gotten great press around these five to ten names that I assume will all be either either highly a prominent African Americans or not and or their names of or not prominent but should it should be and so we get some press and some we get to highlight some people the community doesn't know then we get uh then we have a little time to think about that one name and if that name is is citizens or something like that we can tell that story then we get a big announcement that was our goal from a again I'm thinking PR I'm thinking highlighting the the fun of bull street park and highlighting the names of some people that a lot of people in Columbia might not know um and again it all would be huge bull street development running this through social media on its website coming back to the administrative committee saying here's what we're thinking and the administrative committee saying we don't like that name we want this name why aren't we looking why are we thinking about this all the time providing input and then with their picking we wouldn't pick it would be city council but the council members on this call that would pick and say we want to recommend to our the rest of our council one name that we've chosen and if they say we hate this process kick it out that's fine too I hope the only difference in the process is that we would take what was written on this these two pages that we looked at today and instead of having a broad net anything goes for a name on in phase one we would we would put in there specifically that the council is is looking the intention of the council is to name the park after significant contribution by an individual african-american or a group of african-americans for the development of the park and if we did that I think I think we're being honest with the public we that that is the intention of the council they instructed us to go forth and find one and we we found 15 or so that that that are significant most of which I have never heard of but that they're very significant and uh I think that we ought to go forth with the the proposal from the Hughes to let them do a PR campaign for all the reasons that Robert said but the council and the administrative committee I think still has control of the process and and I think it will help us all to get that type of of focus on the park and and on the bull street development well I think one of the things that we need to make very clear and very I want to clarify one of two things you said Robert no we don't want you out of this process we don't want you out of we don't want you out of this process but I think to have genuine conversation I think we need to have it I think we are very fortunate to have Robin and Dr. Donaldson to put together a list of names that has significantly contributed to the bull street mental institute the grounds whatever it is I think I think we've got to be a little careful though not to negate the names that we already have listed the 15 um but also perhaps to look at other significant names that are African American that will and can contribute to the process the 15 or so names that were talked about at our last meeting were names that come significantly contributed to the bull street to the to that whole effort there so significantly Robert we don't want you in channel out of the process but we also won't use to really look at and I won't don't want to use this word loosely but exclusively look at the possibility of African Americans who are going to contribute if there are additional names the way the process works of course is that we will hear all of what you're saying and of course as a committee we will deliberate among ourselves and of course we would ask for your input but we will take that to the council for the council to make that blanketed decision so I want it to be a collaborative movement but I also want it to be for lack of a better word an African American movement does that make it I want to be an African American movement I know that there are significant names everywhere yeah but but we need to make sure that we're not distracted in the world that Robin and Dr. Donaldson has done for us would yes sir oh I have an idea sir would one idea be to put the and we asked I don't think I've seen the presentation I want to copy it because I wrote feverishly but I didn't get all the details of it so I hope that that'll be shared with us at some point soon but that presentation from Dr. Donaldson and Robin perhaps we say this this is our goal our goal is to uh is to honor um is to have I loved your term it's been African American movement it's been African American part this is our goal here's where you can solicit and while you're thinking about what you want to submit look over here at these 15 names that Dr. Donaldson and Robin waits in Historic Columbia have put together as their suggestions and why and then they can come back and say god Thompson Park that is it here's why here's another idea or I mean it changes it a little bit because one person won't be the person who picks the name of the park they'll be given suggestions but because I do probably think that that name the name of the park ultimately comes out of the work that Robin and Dr. Donaldson did um but you know we're not running a democratic process this is not a um this is this is not a winner take all who gets the most votes I mean that's not what this is this is a public you may provide input and and public you know you have a say but or you have you have the ability to have a voice um but there's no vote for the public on this so we could we could put those names there we could there are a lot of things we could do for us it's just all been about you know we're not going to come back to you guys with five our five to ten names we're going to come back to you guys with all the names that we think might work and y'all are going to say what the five to ten names are I feel like there's just been some wire crossed in what we proposed and what we wrote and maybe we didn't write it right um and I don't I hate it because it feels like there's there's a there's a some sort of miscommunication in what what it is we're trying to accomplish and and I I hate that because I wish it's not that way um but it's not that way Robert I think the difference is you're a private developer and we're a public entity that has to you um in my role make sure we are truly transparent and answering to the public and have like I said having done this many times when you're soliciting information from the public um the only difference I see is this the thought to be very broad and not be specific in what the ultimate goal is I mean if that's the goal if that's the direction then say that's what it is so that people know when they are making additional suggestions the type of suggestions to make I mean I don't think we're that far off at all if if that's the understanding um that you have as well I mean that the reason it's come up and has gone in the direction we're going now is because that wasn't the way it was stated when you gave the presentation and I wanted to just say Mr. Chair I don't know what happened to Mr. Davis I don't know if the clerk can or did he say originally that he had to jump off no he didn't say anything I get him back on if Erica's listening yes ma'am I'm working on that now okay thanks so much you're welcome and Teresa we we I think if I had if we had done a better job in the write-up explaining that our thought is the only reason it was broad is is too it was too full and Henry and I actually talked about this it was cast a real wide net it doesn't the transparency piece and I see I don't have that lens to view this through at all but I also view this as the fireflies had no obligation to to share what all the submissions were um and then to come back Robert this is Patrick yeah I don't think the fireflies is the same scenario right everything that is permitted everything that you present to this committee is public oh of course of course so there's no so the fireflies may not have had to say every like every name submitted but every name committed to the administrative policy committee is correct correct and every every name we submitted to the committee I completely understand that I'm saying the if if the directive from the administrative policy committee is Robert you cast a wide net only give me names that are that are that are of historic African significance or are as Howard you've all said thematic um only give us those names those the only names you'll see so I just I again I don't have the same lens you guys have for us it was cast a really broad net let it let it be every type of name you could think of and in the administrative policy committee says we only want names like this and then we respond by saying okay we got a thousand names 150 of them fit what you're saying here you go um that seems like an exercise and um they have already said what they want so that's my only difference there is cast this wide net get any and everything you want for what well to me it was a benefit of getting a lot of press and getting it broader and having more hopefully more people pushing in and saying oh look this is the direction it's going versus it's a I would I would hope that I would hope that the citizens of Columbia would just as excited about getting around soliciting names that have been made very clear as to what the council is looking for I mean the same excitement can be there we're still asking for suggestions I hope that I agree 100% so everybody will build bill feel comfortable if we in our first broad net specifically specifically say hard to say specifically say that we are looking for African Americans that had a significant contribution to the bull streak development that's great is all right would you know I'm city manager yes sir I mean that that's all I was ever saying so okay yeah that's okay would you Robert of course we were really good yeah I could have made this what I was trying to say is exactly what miss Wilson and how was eluding to is and I said very loosely an African American movement it would certainly be it's certainly my contention and I think consensually Howard I don't know where Sam is but I'm sure he would probably agree with us that the movement is of such that we wanted to see other African Americans if there's a desire to create another list and Robert one of the things I think I heard you say is that you have not you did not get the whole presentation from Dr. Donaldson and and you didn't get that whole presentation get Eric Eric the sending the yeah I was I was going to suggest that that list be forwarded to both you and Chandler just for information look at that list because there may be duplicative names on that list so we could very well do that if we could come up with our committee of course is charged with the responsibility of doing the fiduciary thing and that is naming of the park there and I understand miss Wilson's concern and and the more I think about it the more talk I need to have with someone we're looking at private development in a public park and we have not we did not have that conversation but it will certainly be a conversation that I think well it doesn't need actually need to be a conversation because there's the law so please let us rally around a common thing that we want the park we would like for the park to be a uh uh centric centristic in our naming of the park in in in in terms of an African American name oh yes yes sir I was in error when I said that the list did not include Hilliard bell it does include Hilliard bell if they spell the name differently than his family did and I didn't catch that while we're further reviewing it we're reviewing it some more you may see some miss you didn't you sir are we we sat I think for the record mr chair miss the madame clark would just like someone articulate with the next steps and I don't know if Henry wants to take a stab at that Henry would you yeah one Henry just before you uh channel the document that you submitted uh phase one phase two and three is inclusive of robin and dr donelson is that correct correct so phase one would just be public input phase two and three would be all in conjunction with robin and dr donelson all right I got you thank you I'm sorry go ahead Henry I'm sorry yeah I would just suggest that the appropriate revisions be made to the current proposal as we're describing to us particularly be intentional about what our end goal is and have that resubmitted for for review and finalization and of course robert and channel of course and we had initial discussions about this but once that comes before this committee as we work through the process that that of course it is a proposal and it does come with changes as the as the council has just described so I would just say that let's revise it based on what we've discussed and get that back for final review to move forward Henry could you go ahead and set a schedule so so that we can maybe shorten the time using the two fifteen day review periods and shorten them up to a week or something like that so we can get this thing done before it gets too hot out there yes sir I'll work with chalera and robert on that absolutely okay all right thank you anything else thank you mr chair anything else robert channel thank you all so much for being with us thank you miss city manager robin thank you so much uh Henry you are you're go to person and we thank you for all that you do thank you thank y'all have a good day thank you y'all have a good day