 what's up guys and welcome to one take today we're talking about devs episode four it's going to be full of spoilers so if you haven't watched the episode yet do that and then check out this video and before we jump into the recap just a quick reminder that if you're enjoying these videos make sure to subscribe and hit the bell icon to get notified next time we release a video i'm gil here with my brother alon hey let's jump into devs episode four the episode starts out with devs in their golden box there's a tremor stewart and linden are kind of thrown by it but stewart points out that katie didn't seem scared and he's here essentially implying that katie looked into the future and knew that this tremor was coming and i think this is a call back to a previous episode where katie calls out stewart and linden for not following the rules and then stewart makes a comment like follow the rules coming from her so clearly stewart and linden have their doubts about to what degree katie really plays by the rule book they set out and shortly after that we'll find out that they're not wrong in thinking that because katie walks in on forest breaking one of the rules he's looking into the future at first it's kind of unclear what he's looking at we see a sort of blurry image of somebody crawling or swimming how did you interpret that image the first time it popped up honestly i think i realized pretty quickly that was lily crawling to her death yeah took me a set well until they pointed it out explicitly i had no idea what i was looking at um basically katie calls him out for his rule breaking forest says they as in the linden stewart and the rest of the folks there they know not to break the rules and they know we break them and i guess he's fine with that katie asks him why he's doing it and forest says he's scared he says he doesn't doubt the physical universe but what if we're magical and he posits what if we look one minute into the future and we see that you katie are going to cross your arms and then you decide you're not going to do it f the trams or the tram lines the tram lines so we learned about this concept the tram lines which i guess are sort of sort of like train tracks you know that the you see where the future is going and it's inevitable so what if we see katie that you're going to cross your arms you decide you're not going to do it what would happen katie explains i think her direct quote was cause proceeds effect effect leads to cause the future is fixed in exactly the same place as the past the tram lines are real essentially lily will die and that's where it's spelled out for us that forest was watching lily 48 hours in the future dying now he's wondering what would happen if we looked a minute into the future and decided not to follow the future why don't they do that test do you think i don't know it's kind of weird because the same whatever issue he's afraid would arise could also arise by looking at the future that he's looking at with lily but it's just a couple of days later yeah right so it's the question is going to be put to the test regardless because now we're going to see what happens two days from from now and see whether or not lily dies yeah and you could say the difference is with the crossed arms the question was what if katie purposefully doesn't cross her arms here maybe forest is saying well i'm not going to interfere but who knows maybe he was the one that kills lily and by simply seeing that's the future he's already altered yeah especially because he's pretty directly involved in her life right now so it's not like so him just looking at this footage you know prediction of her future right there's a really good chance it's going to affect it now right he might not go out of his way to tell kenton like hey if you were thinking about killing lily don't do it yeah but he has that knowledge in his head it's going to affect his behavior i think one thing we saw for sure this episode is that forest's emotions very much guide his decision making and here he says he's scared he's scared of what the result of that experiment would be he might literally not be doing that for that exact reason he's just afraid of what would happen he's afraid of the answer that was kind of my read on it but we've got four more episodes to see if there's another reason or see what happens with lily and we can see an actual example of this experiment so let's leave devs for a little bit and let's go through lily's storyline before we come back to devs lily wakes up it turns out she stayed at jamie's place and jamie clearly still likes it right yeah he they have a little bit of a back and forth where she sort of questions his motives he claims a chivalry and then he says you know i'm starting to remember what it was like being in a relationship with you but he's definitely likes her and i think you know i kept wondering why are they showing us so much of jamie's feelings towards lily not that they're focusing a whole lot on it but i think it's really just to give him a little bit more character and make us care a little bit more when he dies or assuming that's what happened at the end of this episode but we'll get to that jamie thinks lily should call the police and report surge's murder she says we shouldn't do that you've got to stop thinking of is it amia or amaya amaya amaya you've got to stop thinking of amaya as a company you've got to treat them like the mob now i agree with her but i don't think she's exactly followed that advice if they were the mob i think she should have just walked away from the whole thing yep though i guess if she did that wouldn't be as much of a show but no more seriously she's human right she's got a lot of conflicting emotions here she probably is coming to this realization i need to be more careful than i've been and that's battling this goliath of a company just murdered my boyfriend so i think the kind of self-contradiction the flip-flopping is just i think it's realistic kentin shows up and takes jamie to a doctor a psychiatrist katie or um lily has a conversation with the psychiatrist by the end of it kentin checks in with the doctor and the doctor he sees through lily he doesn't believe that she has schizophrenia doesn't believe she's had previous episodes he can see that she's lying he says he can't be a hundred percent sure but it's a high probability which felt like he was very much using devs speak yeah i don't know if he's just used to talking to kentin and used to talking to forest so it's starting to rub off on him i also i like this scene because i like that i like this show the most when it doesn't mess around where they don't have this long drawn out tension when are they gonna realize that this whole psychiatric issue lily has is a ruse when are they gonna find it out here like that the psychiatrist sees right through it yeah that's when the show is at its best when it feels like it's kind of smarter writing than we typically see you know we see competent people they're not doing dumb stuff all the time the psychiatrist would see through it and he does see through it and i like that uh meanwhile jamie cleans the apartment so again he definitely likes it right yeah there's no doubt yeah and i love when he uh when he shuts the door to his apartment and that yeah that was awesome so kentin drives away from the psychiatrist with lily in the car and then he tells her i know everything now when he said that when he said that did you think he was gonna come clean about i know you're faking this whole schizophrenic thing and it was all a ruse or did you know which direction he was gonna go uh they got me i thought he was gonna be like we know you're faking and try to use the fear tactic right yeah same here and though so what he does say is i know what's going on i know you're psychotic you're a high suicide risk i'm going to take you for involuntary confinement basically you need to be in a mental institution now when he said that do you think the legit plan was to take her to some kind of mental institution or was he going to kill her right now um i don't know what was this 40 how long was this since uh the prediction i don't think it was 48 hours and feel like it yeah i don't think we've hit that point yet i don't know but clearly she believed that he was going to kill her right yeah if not now then this was one step in the process of killing her so she grabs the wheel for a second i thought she was gonna jump out of the car i saw her kind of looking at the road it looked like she was considering it yeah and i don't know what's safer probably the way she went she crashed she grabbed the wheel and forced him to take a sharp turn and crash into the barrier on the side of the highway which i thought was pretty awesome that was a great shot by the way when she was on the highway you could still see the cars like swinging by oh that moment very real in the moment where she's kind of dazed and a car goes right in front of her and she has to sort of back up was one of my favorite moments of the episode so she kind of stumbles off runs away and then he stumbles off kind of goes after her it takes him a little bit longer to regain consciousness and then it and then lily goes home and calls the police yeah why why did she do that yeah you know it's pretty in this world i think it's pretty obvious they're gonna have connections to the cops although at the same time it kind of bothered me because it's such a trope i would have liked for them not to have a connection in the police and then see how actual police would actually try to deal with this well to be fair i don't know so you're basically saying so what just what happened is she calls the cops the cops show up well she calls the cops to report surge's murder they show up but they show up to arrest lily for reckless endangerment when she crashed the car so you're reading that as the cops are in on it with amaya it is possible that the cops are not in on it because if you reported to the police that this woman lily grabbed the wheel of my car drove into the barrier of a highway there's plenty of evidence to support that i mean it is what happened so whether or not the cops are in on it i think they could have sold them i think they could have gotten them to arrest lily yeah all right that's true yeah they also went pretty out of their way to set up surge's murder so i think it's i'm sure they have power and they could pull strings if they need to but i don't know if they're pulling them here but she calls the cops and the reason i was so kind of dumbfounded by it is a yes amaya is huge maybe they have connections with the police but even beyond that you just crashed a car and all physical evidence would indicate that surge surge's death was a suicide it's already been investigated by the cops it's pretty clear that you lied to amaya about your history because i'm sure the government can look into that and see you're saying you're psychotic there's no records to back that up it would be very easy i think if lily calling the cops she's the one who's gonna look guilty and i was just flabbergasted that she went that route i wonder if this is part of some scheme from her she has something clever up her sleeve kind of like we saw last episode where she tricked kenton and the rest of them but that seems unlikely especially now that the authorities are involved so i just kind of scratch my head you could if there is nothing more to this i think you have to chalk it up to just her being emotional backed into a corner she's about to be killed by amaya so she might think you know what even if the cops are going to think i'm guilty if i'm in prison or being held by cops it's going to be tougher for forest and kenton to get to me and kill me that could be the equation she's doing there after lily gets taken away now to be locked up again for mental health then kenton shows up says hello jamie and then menacingly walks towards him and i think we see him attack jamie in the background so he was he was there with the cops right yeah the cops just let him hang out with them while they're resting her right kind of weird well it might be weird but i have some real world experience where i've seen this sort of thing happen really where well not me exactly but our brother he had a bike stolen from him and they set up a sting operation where the person who stole the bike was trying to sell it on craigslist so the cops had my brother agree to go buy the bike and then the cops showed up where they agreed to meet for the bike purchase and they let our brother sit in the car and watch the guy get arrested that's pretty cool so it's been known to happen in real life anyway is jamie dead yeah i mean we saw him without a shirt on he did look like he was in pretty decent shape and kenton's pretty beat up right now i mean i i hope kenton learned his lesson from that knife fight earlier and that he's more prepared this time so don't bring nothing to a knife fight yeah or bring a gun to a knife fight yeah i think jamie's dead do you think we're going to see a struggle or episode five it just begins with the presumption that he's dead maybe some quick confirmation that he's body presumption damn i kind of hope he's alive i don't know i feel bad for him but i think you're right that he's dead overall that's that's everything we see of lily and jamie in this episode i will say i'm probably less interested in lily's storyline at this point mainly just because she's up against this huge goliath of a company amaya it feels like there's no chance of her succeeding versus the first couple episodes where she was just starting to sniff around she seemed pretty competent she was putting things together and i was getting ready to watch her go after forest and see a little bit of a cat and mouse game but it seems like there's no chance of her winning here and i can see that could work well where you make the odds so against her that it makes it more compelling because we see her start to rise to the challenge but here it feels like they've gone so far in that direction of making it impossible that i'm starting to lose interest in it i'm interested on one layer because now we have that ticking clock of we know she's supposed to die in less than 48 hours at this point and i'm super curious to see what happens when we hit the 48 hour mark and i have a feeling the closer we get to that the more interesting her storyline is going to be but right now when we're in the golden devs room is when i'm more on the edge of my seat yeah i was most interested in everything i was happening with linden in this episode to be honest yeah yeah agreed and speaking of linden speaking of devs let's jump back to there we see linden put a pair of headphones on and get really excited she even says the s word and not the s word not stewart the s word but the curse word she gets really excited at first i thought she was arguing with stewart there was no audio and you see them kind of yelling at each other but then they hug and uh then we learn why because in the next scene we see forest katie and a crowd of other devs behind linden and linden basically demos what he was able to piece together so the issue linden was facing is that we're trying to hear audio from you know 2000 years ago and it's coming in all garbled but when linden decides to use the many worlds interpretation of reality reassuring forest still deterministic don't worry but many worlds all of a sudden it works and instead of forest being really happy about this he gets really angry and fires linden his reasoning is that yes we're hearing a crystal clear jesus but it's not our jesus this could be a jesus with one hair one extra hair or a thousand extra hairs or it could be a jesus from another reality and says linden is undermining his whole goal there you're fired but here's 10 million dollars so i think we've seen forest get emotional before but it does make me wonder how did he get so far being so emotional in his decision making and should linden have known better not to question him in that moment and not to go the many worlds route forest has been pretty clear that he doesn't want to hear anything about that that route right that was set up in episode one when he was talking to surgey even yeah and surgey says why can't we predict this organism's movements 10 seconds more than 10 seconds into the future and he says one reason is that there could be a reality where we do predict it and we happen to be in the one where we don't forest did not want to hear about multiple realities so we know he doesn't like it and you have to assume he's made similar comments to linden and stewart now it could be that he's getting worse maybe he wasn't this bad we don't know how long it's been since his daughter died so it could be a pretty recent phenomenon and maybe a month ago you could talk about the many worlds interpretation but lately it's a touchy subject so he could be falling apart and getting worse and that could also be why he's managed to be so successful he's held it together he's done really well he's a genius and the emotional weight of his daughter is starting to get to him and like i said it could have been a recent occurrence i don't know if they've given us anything that would tell us how long it's been so he could be getting worse and linden hasn't been long enough where he's in this emotional state that linden could have predicted that response i mean considering the whole company is called amaya and they've built all these buildings i imagine she must have been gone for a while now yeah true it is confirmed later in the episode shortly after this that amaya's the name of his daughter which i think we all suspected yeah and so this company was likely created as sort of a tribute to his daughter or at least he named it after his daughter she are right she's probably been gone a while but maybe just whatever goal he's trying to achieve and i don't think it's entirely clear exactly what he's trying to achieve here i mean we know he's trying to predict the future in the past with ultimate clarity but exactly why i think is unclear and the fact that it's taking so long to get there and the fact that he's starting to have doubts you know he questions are we magical so i think he's starting to have doubts about whether or not they can get there that may be getting to him it's just it's just a slow boil so after forest fires linden linden takes some time leaving and steward approaches linden says to go he says that uh forest is going to kill you and i love that moment first off we love steward and so far we've sort of seen him joke around a lot this was the most serious i think we've seen him get and it was great to see him in that mode it was also heartwarming to see steward and linden's goodbye i also just get so frustrated with shows when they mince words when it's sort of implied hey i'm gonna kill you if you don't do this but they don't just outright say it and i think forest was mincing words a little bit and steward shows up awesome steward unminces those words i hope you were listening not to me to forest he'll kill you and he means it and i love that yeah i love that interact interaction between those two that was great great acting on both parts yeah agreed do you think we see more of linden i hope so could linden work with lily that's what i'm assuming is going to happen i think linden will shed some light on what's going on in the golden building yeah to lily the only reason i doubt that is because forest can see the future so if linden was going to work with lily forest would have seen it already but perhaps linden has some way or some knowledge on how to make sure he sees the wrong universe right right because forest has a blind spot right now where he doesn't believe in the multiverse and or or at least he very much hates that theory and has it has no place in devs so maybe linden can somehow work with that that could be interesting if there's some clever twist where forest wonders how could he had not seen this and then linden says you were looking in the wrong universe that'd be cool well katie is not happy about linden getting fired katie approaches forest and says you just fired my most talented engineer forest says that linden introduced a multiverse theory here there's no place for that here undermine everything and then forest gets emotional again because katie says it works forest says it does not work it does not work it's not my jesus and therefore it's not my amaya and every hair on her head does matter because he wants to see his daughter again and he doesn't want to see some alternate reality version of his daughter he wants to see his daughter then katie says i broke a rule today too katie applied linden's algorithm not just to sound waves but now to light waves as well and we see a very clear image of forest daughter and he says oh christ not the first mention of jesus in this episode and then he cries great scene i loved i mean as much as forest has been this emotional character every time nick offerman goes into that mode he just does such a great job of selling it and it's so awesome to see him get to stretch into this range of acting because i think most of us know him from parks and rec so you typically see him as a comedic actor in here he is just nailing it he can be menacing he can be emotional he's just and he can be funny too we've seen that side of him too and so he's he's great here is where we get it crystal clear amaya is forest daughter he says not my amaya but my question is what is he trying to accomplish here i have to assume it's not just to see her again right i don't know i have a feeling somehow they they're going to he wants to use this technology to bring her back somehow but i don't know how yeah it seems it seems like everything would tell us that he can't bring her back if there are the tram lines if everything is deterministic he already knows even if there was a way to bring her back he would already know whether or not he's successful in doing so and in this episode they hammer at home again whatever we see in the future we can't change now they do have the rule don't look in the future and who knows how often forest and katie have broken that rule maybe forest hasn't looked far enough into the future to confirm whether not he's successful now i understand this to be they are not truly looking into the past they're not interacting with the past they're interpreting the past extrapolating it based off of quantum mechanics and all this crazy stuff so i don't think they can change the past my crackpot crazy theory is maybe they can somehow extract his daughter's consciousness from the past they talk about light waves what is human consciousness made of not light waves but maybe something on the quantum level that they can extract it and bring her into the present somehow i don't know just a crazy theory to throw out there because i do think he's trying to do something more than just see her again i just can't figure out what it is but i'm very intrigued to find out any other thoughts on this episode as a whole i still love stewart and i am very curious where linden's story is going i'm positive it's going to cross with lilies right and really excited to see what happens there yeah agreed i thought this episode was stronger than the third episode i definitely was more invested in lilies side of the story but i am a little bit i don't want to say impatient but i am wondering where it's going because it seems like she's in a totally powerless position right now in the authority of the police she's about to be locked up and so i'm very curious to see how she gets out of that if she gets out of that and then even if she does where the hell does she go from there unless she can team up with linden and that would be a pretty awesome team up to see it could only be made better if stewart gets involved yeah anyway just uh other random thoughts i'm finding this with any show i watch anytime i see characters shake hands or share a cigarette i wonder but what are you doing coronavirus it's so crazy how that is just in the top of mind no matter what you're watching but thankfully we have shows like devs to help us get through this lockdown that we're in right now yeah yeah and oh other random thought i read an article that said episodes of devs come out at six a.m apparently not true 12 o 1 a.m today this episode was available so anybody who wanted to stay up for the new episodes on thursday and didn't because of me i apologize so this wednesday night next wednesday 11 59 p.m wait a couple more minutes thursday morning you'll get the new episode anyway with that thanks for watching and if you enjoyed this video make sure to hit that like 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