 Good morning everybody. Good morning to week 15 of our class, and I see very few people here today. Is everyone on holiday mode? Or did your class get late previous class? Anyway, welcome to all those of you who come in on time. Welcome to the e-learning students as well. We're on the week on week 15, the second last class for this course, almost coming to the last part of our course. Just an announcement, which I will also make a little late at the end when there are more students that are coming in. Your second assessment has been uploaded and post today's class. Please ensure that you complete your assessment before the due date. You're unable to access the assessment. I'll just look up the settings when I set the settings right, but I will have a look at the settings if even others are not able to put it up. In the break time, I shall ensure that that gets done. The assessment has also been put up for the e-learning students after the, it will be put up for you as well. So please do ensure that e-learning students that you completed by the 30th and the online students as per what's given on your stream. That's your last date. So please ensure that it gets done and I will make sure that you're able to access it as well. Right, so I hope we're all okay and doing well. Quickly, just to quickly reiterate what we did the last week. We were focusing on emotional wholeness. How do we maintain our emotional wholeness and among the very many points that we had bought about earlier? We were looking, we had looked at crucifying the flesh. We had looked at the mind being the battlefield and how we could go about consecrating our minds. And part of that was what we looked at last week was how we live daily with a renewed mind. And we saw a few aspects of what it involves. We did say that a renewed mind is a process that is continuous, which includes receiving and growing in the knowledge of God. We looked at a part of it being the conquest of the mind which we had done earlier and also learning how to balance a renewed mind, the leading of the Holy Spirit as well as our reasoning and what our ways that we avoid being presumptuous as we learn to live through this renewed mind and how all of this interplays one against each other. And that's what we had focused on till last week. Today we're just going to take one more aspect of the mind which is to do with mental illness and mental health. And this is just a lot for our understanding as to where do we have or work with the balance of helping those with mental illnesses, maybe also recognizing certain common mental health problems. What are some of the reasons or causes for a mental illness? What is it that we do? What is it that we encourage people to do is something that we are going to be looking at today. I know part of this is also something that we had focused on when we were doing Christian counseling because it all has to do with the mind and the emotions. So we looked a little bit over there. So there may be a bit of an overlap on what we're going to be working out today, but I'm not going to go into as detail as we did over there, but just for us to really understand about mental health and mental illness. So are we all? Yeah, I think there are a few more who joined in. So welcome to those who joined in right now at class. So we're looking at the 10th chapter on healing mental illness and we'll also be looking at certain questions that come in as a result with mental health and issues that are closely related to mental illness. Now like all other kinds of issues and sicknesses and disorders like physical disorders, we also do see that people have mental health conditions. And it is common even among believers and among Christians to sometimes have mental health problems or mental illnesses. And just like we would pray and declare healing and come minister to those who may have physical issues, physical or health regarding issues that with their body, we also do the same. We do not see a distinction between what is of the body and what is of the soul. We do pray, we do minister to those who are being held under some of these conditions and pray and minister healing, expect healing for those who may be going through mental health conditions. So as we pray and as we minister, we are not just praying for just that which may not have organic causes but also conditions and illnesses that have organic causes which relate to the brain or to the nervous system. And we're going to be just broadly looking at some of this today. So as we had spoken about for those of you who may be in the class of Christian counseling, we spoke about general what are the various causal factors of mental illness or mental health problems. And we had enumerated a few things the last time. So mental health problems can occur one due to certain neurochemical disturbances in the brain. There are neurochemicals called as neurotransmitters that help in all of the brain functions. And these chemicals that are produced sometimes get, there is a malfunction in it and as a result of which it causes difficulty in the person's emotions, the person's thinking capacity, person's judgment, memory. So there are chemical disturbances that is a very biological causal factor to mental health issues. So that's the first reason. There can be also certain degeneration that happens in the cells, in the brain cells that causes mental health difficulties and some of them can be tapped into as maybe dementia, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, a few, just to name a few where there is a degeneration that happens in the cells of the brain that causes mental health disturbances. There can also be physical causes or organic causes. For example, let's say a brain disease or certain injury, external injury that happens to a person which has affected the brain and as a result causes mental health conditions or there can be even surgeries that take place because maybe with regard, there are certain tumors, organic tumors that take place and as a result because of the tumor itself or because of surgery in itself, any kind of an invasive therapy that is taking place can bring about effects in the different parts of the brain that coordinate with one's thinking and one's ability to emote and behavior. So these are some of the larger causes and we also do see that one of the causes or a reason can also be the presence of spirits, of evil spirits that take over and bring about a complete sense of disruption in the person's mental health system. What we need to be careful to understand is not to attribute all kinds of mental health problems to the demonic or to evil spirits. We need to be sensitive as well as careful to not at all points direct or say that is just the causal factor. However, we have, Jesus has given us the authority to speak and command and cast out every kind of spirit that may be functional in a person or even to command or to declare healing for any of these causes that we spoke about and that's what we should gear ourselves to do. Shikumar, may I take a question in a bit? I'll just complete and then... Sure. Thank you. So when we are ministering healing, just like if you are aware of a cause or of a reason as to why such and such a thing has happened, you can speak directly to that like if you do see a chemical imbalance or there are indications that it is as a result of certain external injury or it is an indication that it is something that is degenerative like through certain tests that actually tells you that it is degenerative. There is what you can do is take authority and command over the person, command either a reversal of things that has been damaged as a result of some kind of an organic cause or some kind of a physical issue or physical injury or something that's probably also from birth. And we will talk about some of these things as we go down. So what we do or what we can do is to also command anomalies in the body. So there are certain conditions that come as a result of chromosomal anomalies in the sense of the genetic makeup in itself is disrupted, is there is an anomaly and as a result, there are conditions that come about. For example, some of the examples we see is Down syndrome or trisomy 21 that are quite a few in the chromosomal disorder, but I think Down syndrome is something that's most most relatable or maybe most understandable or maybe we have seen that. So to be able to command that there be a change in the anomaly of the chromosome, we declare that to, you know, these are called creative miracles where we command the reversal of maybe some of these chromosomes that has come up in excess or that which is lesser. You command that to be reversed or we command certain anomalies that you may see as a result of these conditions. Like you would probably notice that because of the chromosomal disability, a chromosomal anomaly, you may see dysfunctions or disability. Like that there can be issues in Down syndrome that can be multiple facial anomalies that you see or in cerebral palsy where you see that there are conditions where there are weaker extremities, weaker limbs or the body has not developed to its full extent. So these are places that we walk in faith and we command that the body be healed and function normally or come to a place of balance and development. Also commanding for chemical imbalances to come to a place of normalcy or to restore any kind of function that has been caused by either external or internal or biological. So when we can do that, we must come forward in bringing about that kind of healing or knowing that God can deliver and there is nothing that is difficult for the Lord to heal no matter what has been a causal factor. Yet also being sensitive, however, just being sensitive to the work of the Holy Spirit on what and how and the way that we do it and the kind of advice or the kind of follow ups that we give is something that we need to be extremely careful, which is what we will be dealing with a little later as we go forward. Okay, Sri Kumar, you could bring me your question and open to thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. I just want to know how can we come to a conclusion that this is not demonic and even when we see a certain in certain cases and we can when we see that this is happening generationally they are carrying this kind of sickness. How can we come to it and that's my question that how can we come to a conclusion that this is not demonic but this need and medical advice or this need medication. So I just want to know that how can as a counselor or as a servant of God if I want to help someone so how can I do that. Thank you. Okay. Alright, so I'll probably give you certain distinguishing factors. I may not be completely but I think I've read an article for this and I'll try and search that out and maybe put it out in the stream, but I'll probably put certain points that I remember and I have read through. So the first and foremost thing is one of one of the understanding is how do we distinguish between a medical a medical issue and something that is demonic. Now, one thing that we would see that is that is a medical issue is, you know, it is something a mental health issue that that covers all aspects of the individual's life. So it's not just probably in one area of their lives, but it affects every other area of their lives, their biological functioning, their personal hygiene, their, their relational issues, their vocational abilities, their ability to occupy themselves and their learning. So when we do see that it is, there is so much of an overall contribution, you know that that that is more likely now these aren't watertight compartments, however, I'm saying these are more likely to be something that probably is medical related. Whereas something that's more demon possessed or, you know, it is demonic, I would say it's demonic is something that you could see that may come probably all of a sudden and has certain certain areas of of their lives that become very oppressed or that which is taken over some part, some area of their lives that's taken over, but a lot of others seem to be functioning quite normally in itself. Okay. The other point of understanding that we have is when a person who is treated with medication, we would, we hope to see as best as a remission as possible. And if that isn't there in its completion, however, I do want to even even bring about this one thing is that for people who have a mental illness, there could be years of not taking on treatment or an intervention. And as a result that it seeps into the personality of the individual. So if there isn't medicine, if there isn't treatment that is given appropriately or at the appropriate time or at a time in the beginning at probably the initial instances, it can bleed into the personality of the individual. And at a later point of time, the responses to medication may not be as you would see when there is appropriate treatment taken earlier. Okay, so so I'm giving you this as a as also a clause to understand that that there could be times that people don't respond to medication because of this. Sometimes when they do not respond to medication that say somebody has been has found has become ill, and we have taken in for help and medication, but that the remission hasn't been as expected. That's, we would also consider is there an added contribution of of it also being demonic in itself. And that's when you would, you know, take the go ahead and and also bring about a point of deliverance. Now, do we always need to distinguish this is yet another question, I think would come across in my mind, is it something that we need to quest to distinguish is, I'd say yes and no. At first off, like, like in let's look at it in physical conditions. Okay, let's look at, let's look at a parallel of physical conditions. Now, all of a sudden, there may be people who talk about, you know, suddenly a grip on the back or as if there is a hold on the back. Right. Because I've had people come in and say that, you know, they've had a perfectly well okay back, but suddenly over weeks now they kind of feel as if there's something caught in their back and there have been a lot of medical treatments are, you know, tests and diagnostics that have taken place and they don't find a cause. So, is, is there a possibility of having an oppression. So I would, I would parallel that similarly with a mental health issue as well. You know, you may not find a specific cause that is causing a mental illness. And so, you know, is there a contribution is, is there a particular reason of them being of it being demonic as well. So it may be important to make that distinguish distinction, but as your ministering, I think one of the most important things just like how we would do in a physical health issue is advice and, you know, encourage that they get whatever help that they may require, either medically, or whatever kind of mental health interventions that that is suggested, take that help and at the same time, you know, bring about a place for deliverance. Now, and even as you're praying for somebody. Again, I think it is very important to be sensitive to, to how we do that you know when when we're speaking about a spirit of infirmity and that's something that we would, we would even pray for someone who is physically unwell, you know that the spirit of infirmity, or the spirit of illness or the spirit of bondage to be to be cast out in Jesus name. Right, but, but being careful that we do not demean an individual by calling them demon possessed or, you know, filled with the evil spirit, but, but doing it in the most respectful and, you know, least showy way as possible is is very important, because there have been and because, you know, we have been in this, you know, helping people with with mental health issues that have been specially among believers among those who've been who've been in church, where there have been wrong advises and wrong way of dealing with with this has been given to them that there have been definite loss of, you know, of one is trust, loss of trust in in the entire system of healing and deliverance, as well as in in how how they are looked at as people, you know, the kind of stigma that it brings about. It is extremely important for us to be careful on how we do that. So what I'd say is, encourage whoever does come to you, especially when when they are when when there is a manifestation or when there is a mental illness or symptoms of signs and symptoms of mental illness that is bought forward. The first and foremost thing is encourage them to get that medical help and at the same time, believe and pray in faith and, you know, come about with form with deliverance prayers to cast out anything that that may be that may be there or that may be taking on the the person or or is being where the person is being oppressed. So that's how I would I would bring about that answer. Now, again, to bring about distinctions again. You know, a mental person, if you remember, we did actually talk about this earlier. Someone who is a believer in Christ cannot be demon possessed. Okay, they can be oppressed, but not demon possessed. So, let's say believers who are going through mental health issues. Right. I think we need to clearly make that distinction there for because there have been cases now I've worked in a mental health Institute, and I've seen people actually profane and blaspheme the name of God. And there we do, we do find that their spirits definitely are not maybe a lot of at least the cases that I've seen I have not been those who have been believers. So we do know for for a fact that believers cannot be demon possessed. However, they can be oppressed. And yes, there can be mental health conditions. So even like the spirit of, you know, sadness or the spirit of depression, the spirit of worry, the spirit of fear of anxiety, all of that, yes, is something that that can grip people and not just and and it not just being manifested as a mental spirit, but even among a normal population, having those having those spirits so being understanding the fact that those who are believers cannot be demon possessed, which means that's again, a clear and a good distinction distinguishing factor that it is in probability. It is a mental health condition which has a physical chemical, whatever cause that we spoke about and not something that is that is a demonic. So these are these are two three points I can remember but then I will I will ensure that I put up that article for you all to read so that and it gives a few more addresses a few more things which I'm sorry I'm not able to remember right now. I hope I answered that. Shreya Kumar. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, now, just just for us to be also open to understand the kinds of disorders that is generally that that is seen. And how is it that we can. What is it that we can pray for. Okay, so I'm just going to go on with the list that is written in the on your notes. Okay, I'm just going to handle those and not really go on to anything more. So the first one that's written is autism. Now autism is is considered as a developmental disorder in the sense of it that that being issues in the way that the brain develops, which has caused significant difficulties in social and emotional interactions. So that is a medical explanation of it. So when we pray for those who are autistic, I think one of the prayers that we can or how do we minister to them is that any kind of deficits that has come as a result of the developmental issue be reversed. And there be a restoration of all the fact faculties that have been affected to be reversed is something that we could, you know, minister as we minister to people. Now, I personally I've seen a lot of people who are autistic, especially, you know, when when their children and as they grow up, you do find a lot of children with autism or the related spectrum disorders have, have very special giftings, either it's for music, or it's for language, or it's, it's for art. It's for something that they are completely able to, you know, hone and and really master. All right. And I believe those are graces and giftings that God's given, even those with those who are autistic and that gets used for the glory of God, despite the kind of developmental issues that one may see. Okay. However, we still walk in faith, we still continue to pray and minister that anything that that is that is dysfunctional be restored back into its original functionality, excuse me. Okay. Another condition that we're looking at is down syndrome. So I did, I spoke to you about this now this again is is a chromosomal disability, where, where there aren't the right number of chromosomes that make an individual, and there are extra chromosomes that's in down syndrome, or other chromosomes where some are replicated that there are three of the same chromosome and you see definite features, not just physical features, but there are also intellect disabilities that may there. How do you minister is, you know, again, a reversal that that the things that, you know, in the genetic material on the chromosomal material that there be a reversal by the power of God and that's that's a prayer of faith that we are praying that we, we pray that, you know, things go go to the place that God has designed for it. Next one is dyslexia dyslexia is commonly known as learning disabilities, where again, this is an, an impairment in this for someone to, to either to read to write to spell, or to have mathematical abilities and this again is seen as a dysfunction in the learning learning capacities. And there again, you know, we pray that that that we command and pray for the mind of Christ to be over them and to to for God to bring about a restoration of all that is lost. Then it becomes Parkinson's Parkinson's or dementia, Alzheimer's, all of that, where there is a, where there is a degeneration, where the, where the cells are slowly disintegrate, not disintegrating, they have been degenerated, right, they do not function, as they should, and there is a degeneration that takes place. And that's where again, you know, we pray that all of this, that there be a reversal of it. Next, we're looking into major mental health disorders, which could be, which is either schizophrenia or mood disorders like bipolar disorders or depression. I look at that question, but yeah, so depression, all of that these are all mental health disorders. Now these, like we said, have different kinds of contributing factors and science has kind of looked at certain causal factors, however, not one of them can be pinpointed act. These mental health disorders are considered one to have biochemical causes, like we said, the neurochemicals that are there that are, that are not produced in, in up to its optimum. And as a result, causes issues in their thought, in their speech, in their mood, or bipolar disorders where there is, either there is mania or there is depression. Now these are in scientifically considered as biochemical disorders. There are also, there can also be contributions as a result of psychosocial factors, depending on family upbringing, the kind of environment that they have been, that has, has come by personal coping, coping mechanisms that have been used over years. So there can be, and these are, you know, they are so, the way that they present itself is not, it's not something that one can predict. So schizophrenia can, a person with schizophrenia can be affected as young at an age of 14 and 15 and 16, or as, you know, as elderly as a, as a 50, 60, 70 years. So how does it present itself? Why does it come at the point of time? It is maybe quite difficult to pinpoint. Nevertheless, whatever, like I said, whatever the causal factor of these conditions, we have, we encourage medical help. We encourage praying and believing in faith and, you know, walking in, in our spiritual disciplines and not spiritual practice. So that's what we would, we would encourage people to do. Okay. I think there's a question that Beth had. Okay. One of the APC publications, I can't remember which mentions that Down syndrome may be demonic. I find that hard to agree with as Psalm 139 tells us clearly that God knits us together in our mother's womb. It would be good if you can tell me where you read that. As far as I understand, I'm sure that's not something that has probably been a thing, but I'd be open to maybe know Beth which publication that is. Yeah. So, so I think I have a take on this as well. It was last year sometime, maybe in the healing one. Okay, so let me, let me probably have a look at that because I, I can't remember having read that anywhere. But, you know, I think we need to also understand that any kind of disability that we do see, whether it's downs or even physical, physical disabilities, cerebral policies, those who have been born with mental, mental, mental retardation, you know, the challenges, intellectual challenges. I say is, you know, anything that we see the sickness and the disease in the world is a fallout of sin. Okay, and man with the choices that they make, yes, can bring about, can birth about things in sin. So, for example, you know, the kind of where do we see or at a large population of those who you would say have challenges mentally, especially in, especially in their intellectual abilities are those where there is marriages between closer relatives. Okay, or the, the, the kind of genetic pool seems to be a kind of intermingled in itself and that in itself causes it. So, you know, looking at man and their choices brings about a lot of, a lot of things, the consequential events that takes place as a result of, of, of the sin that we are in and the sin that we live in. So that's the take even I have, and that it may not be, it's not necessarily that it is demonic, but then I will check that bet and probably come back to you on to read a context of what, what was said there as well. So I shall, I shall look into that bet. Okay, we're going to the other certain other disorders of. So when we classify mental health disorders, we classify them into two, either those with major mental health disorders and those with minor mental health disorders, this is just for your classification. Now major mental health disorders are generally those where there is a loss of reality. Whereas minor mental health disorders, the common ones being anxiety, panic attacks, PTSD, post traumatic stress disorders, OCDs, all of that are the person is well within the reality of the world that they live in. But whereas in major mental health disorders, there is a loss of reality. That is, you know, the kind of symptoms that they express could be very bizarre, could be quite, quite absurd, and not plausible. And that in itself, so if those symptoms are being treated by medicines and you do see a remission, you know, you begin to understand that they are a lot probably physical causes that are chemical causes and, and that's why you do see, you know, a definite remission of it. Okay. But so when we're looking at minor mental health disorders, which being anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, PTSD, these are all of, are, are all where the person is within the reality but unable to function because of a specific symptom, either of the anxiety or the in OCD it is the ruminations or the or the obsesions or the continuous irrational repetitive intrusive thoughts that come about that becomes very, that triggers the internal system in itself. So all these are, you know, just a place where they feel unable to function on a normal, regular basis because of what they're experiencing either the anxiety there or either the the trauma that, that continues to bother them either through nightmares or pictures or images and, or the, the obsesions that are there. Now, in all of these cases, like we said again, it is important that you consider and help them to take the appropriate medical treatment. But to continue to speak in faith that whatever they are being oppressed by, you know, the very fact of it being them having anxiety in itself kind of builds up. What is, what is anxiety? It's all about worry about generalized worry about what's going to happen. So the more that there is, that is the mind that gets cluttered with that fear of what's going to happen, it, you know, we've learned that it opens the door into for the evil one to enter. Now, the evil one is not perspective of someone saying, oh, he's got an anxiety disorder, so I'll keep away from him. No, it doesn't happen that way, right? They are just looking for ways to bring people out in fear and submission to them. So it may have initially started off with probably something that's been environmental, but then in time, as they do not renew their mind, they do not stand in a place of resisting these thoughts. It opens the door to the enemy to walk in and then it becomes a lot more, you know, there is a, I mean, it becomes a lot more complicated. There is the personal struggle that they have as well as where the enemy has got hold of that situation. Now, these conditions, as you would see, so I'd like to bring about some understanding of this is that not all conditions bring people to a place of absolute debilitation. Okay. You will see people can function in areas of importance, especially those with anxiety, those with PTSD, those with OCD, generally can function at a good level, you know, without probably active treatment. However, it gets extremely difficult at that point of time. Okay. So being cognizant of the fact that people with this kind of conditions are still people, one, they do have a condition or whatever it may be that can have varying degrees of debilitation or varying degrees of dysfunctionality. That's a better word. Varying degrees of dysfunctionality. However, we continue to pray and build up their faith to come to a place of complete restoration and wholeness. Okay. Yes, Christopher, I think you have a question. Christopher? Yes. Can you hear me? Not very clearly. Christopher? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can hear you now. Yes. Go ahead. I just wanted to get a little more clarification about you mentioned about how sin could play a part in some of these outcomes. And also, I guess, related to that, where generation of curses also could play a part in this. I just wanted to understand a little bit more about these two aspects. Okay. So to bring about sin is, you know, when God created Adam and Eve, he created it to be a perfect world. Okay. But because of sin, there have been consequences, the consequences of sin, consequences of what happened or the sin that took place. There is a consequential event that takes place. This is just not, it just does not refer to your physical death. But when people continue to live in a life of sin, so to probably give you examples like for example, the sin of incest. Okay. That giving rise to, you know, when there is a progeny that comes by, there is the consequence of that sin, you know, and also the physical consequence of maybe coming together when you are a relative, there is a definite physical consequence that takes place. Whereas spiritually it is something that is sin. So there are different, there are different situations where people involve themselves in sinful actions, sinful behaviors that bring about certain consequences that bring about natural consequences as well as spiritual consequences. So I'm not saying that all conditions are this way, but you know, over time, over time, what happens is, you know, when sin continues to be, when you engage in continuous sin, there can be consequences that happen. For example, let's say, you know, someone says this is just just maybe quite an unrelated example, but someone who consumes, let's say a substance, okay, keeps consuming the substance and there are natural consequences that occurs within the body. Right. And they become responsible for the fact that they have not used their body as a good steward. And as a result, open their selves to some kind of a mental health condition. Like, for example, those who've, especially in alcohol or drug abuse, constant, regular, frequent use of these substances has the potential for them to have a psychotic episode or to have a psychiatric condition, which could be any of these, you know, so there is a lifestyle that is not godly, that is not righteous, and you reap the consequences of your own lifestyle, of probably something that you've engaged in, that has, that is not acceptable to God, something that is not right in the eyes of God, and then you reap the consequences of such behaviors. Okay, so some of these conditions are something that we see can have an effect because of the original sin of man, and that which continues to play on on a regular basis that brings about consequential events. As a result, I hope I made that clear. Christopher. The sin part, I just want to understand more the generation causes and how it could, it could also, you know, think about mental disorders. Could that contribute to mental disorders? Sorry, I think I got disconnected. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah. Christopher, did I answer that? Yes, so what I wanted to just also, I mean, the other, the second part of the question was, is it caused to generate generation of curses where could they attribute to mental illnesses also, and, you know, where, you know, it could manifest certain mental disorders. Yeah, so I just want to understand if that is something that happens. Okay, so I think, you know, there's, we have a book on breaking generational bondages and curses, and that is, it is given an understanding is given over there. Yes, I think it is a possibility that a lot of conditions get passed on into generations. And I think one of that, some of that could be, you know, even when you look at it at the natural level. Now, this is, this is something that I'm thinking of as I'm talking right now is that, that when you do a medical history or when you do a psychiatric history, something that you will look off is to look at if there is a family history of the similar condition in the, in the family or in the generations above. Okay, so when you look at it medically, yeah, you're looking at it quite, you know, if there is a genetic disposition to that is what maybe in medical science that you're looking at, is there a genetic disposition in that, like someone who's had maybe schizophrenia, probably two generations ahead, and you know, it has also been passed on. Yes, medically, it's something that that can get carried on into generations and one of the classic examples is one of suicide. Okay, if you look at someone, it is interesting to actually and there is research done on that to see if it becomes a pattern of coping in the generations above and and a lot of cases you will see that it is either become a pattern of coping or there has been an attempt or there has been completed suicide within in the family history and I believe, you know, the fact of suicide in itself is something that, that is, that gets passed on. Okay, and it becomes like, like the spirit of taking away one's life is something that gets passed on and it is important to break those, those kind of curses or let's look at even things like pornography, or different kinds of addictions. You know, that becomes, although medical science does give addictions, alcohol addiction, the label of a medical disorder like a disease, it is a disease. Yes, it is. However, we also need to see how we open ourselves to these kind of doors when, when there isn't a proper coping when there are stress and issues that come in, rather than being able to come to a place of complete submission and trust to God, there is the taking on of a certain substance to fulfill or to come away from that emotional issue that a person may be going through. So that becoming a coping becomes almost like an open door, that, that, you know, the alcohol is one that is, that is being resorted to at every point of time. So yes, I'd say yes, there are generational bondages that can take place and, and that's exactly why, you know, we need to come to a place where we bring about deliverance and put to stop any kind of bondages that can be passed on from our generation, which we may know, may not know, but coming to a place of in faith, you know, cancelling any of those influences in our generation and for the ones to come. Christopher, I hope I answered that. Okay, we'll stop for a break. It's 10.54 on my clock. Let's take a break and we will resume back at 11.04.