 Okay, welcome back everyone to our second lecture BC 3 1 0 on church and ministry administration So we're going to Get into our next lecture which is on culture, but I see Christopher's hand raised so Christopher. Do you have a question? Please go ahead Yes, thank you faster. Yeah, so this is a question On on the communication subject the topic So when we talk communication, I guess, you know in this in this time and age Communication is I mean a large part of communication is done through social media and You know, there are various tools that are available visits, you know pros and cons and I see that You know, there are I mean, I was just being a little bit of initial sort of you know search on But just to find out what was the kind of adoption of of Twitter in by churches and the use of Twitter, you know as a Sort of a micro micro blog and Be able to facilitate Discussion and communication. So I just wanted to get your views on I guess social media as a tool for communication as well as you know specifically around Twitter and Twitter like a sort of messaging tools, yeah I'm Sure. Thank you Christopher. Yeah, I can share with you just you know my thoughts On this one is I feel, you know churches Christian organizations should be free To use whatever works for them. So Twitter Facebook Instagram whatever whatever else, you know and One of the things we will be looking at when we talk about media and technology is to know What your audience is using, you know, so if example if particular ministry started in the youth and if the Their target audience the youth are engaged on a certain platform Then definitely use that platform, you know, whatever's whatever that is to communicate So in general, that's my opinion that I feel that churches should be free to use whatever platform or platforms that are most useful to engage with the audience that they are serving So I have no issues, you know personally I have no issues of Whatever platform people are comfortable basically your target audience is on that platform So use it to communicate and these days people are on multiple platforms. So use that Now Personally at a personal level I have stayed away from Personal activity on social media just from the point of view of time So I have an Instagram account. I follow only Four people that is the church my wife son and daughter, that's it. So it's just a private account I just use it to just see what they you know, just being touched and see what they post and kind of things like that, but I Don't have a Facebook account I don't keep do my use my Instagram. I don't use Twitter. I mean I stay away from it simply because I don't have the time for it but whereas, you know, obviously there are there are individuals and people use it very well and Of course they have great influence using these platforms, which is good I'm not against it. This is for me personally. I don't have time To do that but instead what we've done is we let the church media team handle it So, you know our Facebook church Facebook account Twitter Instagram We let the church media team handle it and actually a lot of it is automated. So we've got background scripts running that automatically post You know, for example every day there is this daily devotional The daily devotional video the background we have background scripts that run that automatically post on Facebook And I think Twitter also so some of it is automated some of it is manual so Those things happen now, you know How much of an engagement people have again people have various engagements and so on so we Are not pushing so much on the social media. We have the church I mean has Instagram Facebook and Twitter Accounts like I said, some of the posts are automated through background scripts that run every day And some of it is manual like, you know, we have a particular event or whatever the those things are done So my answer is yeah use, you know perfectly fine to use whatever is useful relevant to your audience and use it as As well as you know as well as you can engage with people. Yeah I hope that helps pressure from Actually your question, please Please what do you what can we say about ministers who Allow social media account managers to manage their individual private account for them To engage the public community and your congregation Some some are found it a way to employ account managers. So Looking at the schedule of the minister himself, he may not have the time to Go on to those accounts and to engage his audience So the employee somebody who does that's on their on their behalf What do you think about that also? Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, unless again, I'm just sharing my personal thought I I don't find any problem with that I think it's perfectly fine because you know, we have been doing it say in Non-digital forms of communication. So in the past if you look at you know Promotion for a conference promotion for an event lots of other areas The In the Christian leader or the Christian organization would engage People who understand event management to do that for them, you know, they won't do it necessarily themselves They have somebody do they had somebody doing it. So we do it in the context of other events So when it comes to digital media social media, especially sometimes It could be that the lack of skill that is you know, how do you how do you keep? Current with you know, all the things that you need to do good work on social media So lack of skill or lack of time, you know, okay, I don't have the time You may have the knowledge and skill, but don't have the time So then what do you do the other good thing to do is to engage somebody who has the knowledge the skill and the and and then they're dedicated to doing this and And in many cases, you know, it does, you know, given where we are today in the world People who enjoy scrolling and reading these kinds of things and you know seeing the pictures and they feel connected to that ministry or to that preacher or minister And so that's a good thing, you know, so So personally I feel it's perfectly fine as long as the people doing it, you know, the brand managers they Do an honest job, you know, they shouldn't See the tendency is always to exaggerate the tendency is to make the online person bigger than the real-life person, you know, so So brand managers and marketing managers can go off on a tangent and then they make this online person looks so great. So, you know, amazing Which is very different from the real person, you know, so as long as we tell people, hey, keep things real, keep things plain and simple And, you know, if you do that, then I think it's fine because it's just a practical thing to do And there are people who have the skills and knowledge to do that Those are my thoughts. Yeah. Thank you, Pasta. Thank you Thank you, Kennedy. How do you archive your communication at EPC? Any advice, please? Now Are we use some example So example So a lot of our communication happens through email and through WhatsApp In times past we used SMS, but now because of government restrictions in within India, we can't use SMS very much So we've, you know, we've had to move to EPC. I mean, we've been using email and WhatsApp Now for email, we use a mail list, so mail list server It's called it's an open source product. We use PHP list So all every email we send mass email is already is archived right there So it stays there. We can go back and look at all our, you know, whatever we've communicated about email Same thing with WhatsApp. We use an online Web-based service called Vati. It's a very well-known Service Vati.io and again, everything's archived there. It's on the cloud. It's archived So all our emails and WhatsApp messages that we broadcast are archived in these cloud in the cloud Using these systems. The PHP list is something we ourselves manage We run it on Amazon service on Amazon cloud The Vati is a paid subscription and that's a hosted service for us So we do that All our other online Example, for example, all that we have on YouTube is duplicated in All our videos are also not getting are also duplicated on Vimeo So all the videos that we put out Are available are replicated in the background automatically on Vimeo. So they're also stored there and put these Service And Some other things we ourselves archive That's so all videos are on two platforms YouTube and Vimeo They get into more of these things in the other course. Is that okay? Yeah, okay Good. Any other questions before we get into talking about Avni, you have a question. Please go ahead So first of all, while managing a team, you're dealing with some kind of lack of discipline and commitment from the people So you want to communicate it being soft, you know, and being stern Both together. How do you communicate in such a way that you see the change coming or change happening because You know People if they're not responding to your message, they are not willing to give time. They are not understanding the value of punctuality And taking taking the responsibility They as a volunteer, they want to serve but they don't want to take responsibility They just want to do it in their own terms perfectly. So how do to deal with such a situation Hmm Right So every shepherd Has a rod Right. So Like Paul writes to the Corinthians first Corinthians chapter four. He says do you want to come do you want me to come In gentleness Or do you want me to come with a rod and do the exact was I think it's was 21 first Corinthians chapter four And Yeah, what's 21, you know first goodness for chapter four was 21. So he asks the Corinthians. What do you want? Shall I come to you with a rod Or in love and a spirit of gentleness interesting question So Paul is asking them You know, how do you want me to deal with you? Do you want me to be in a loving and gentle Or do you want me to deal with you with the rod which is basically being strict and stern and so on right so Every shepherd Or every leader Of course Should be loving and gentle But the leader also should know when to use the rod which is discipline which is being strict and you know bringing Taking action that that brings correction So So especially dealing with volunteers or dealing with teams or staff or volunteers, you know We're dealing with them with love and gentleness But then Whenever necessary you have to use the rod that is You have to be you have to take disciplinary action. That's what the rod symbolizes So that means Example example If you if you have you know, you're dealing you're leading a team you're telling people hey, we need you to be punctual It's fair to follow the three strike rule, you know, we talked about it. I think in staff man that means Two times I Will tell you lovingly hey, you know You're supposed to be here at example nine o'clock or whatever the time is but you came at 9 15 Or whatever or you didn't come Once feedback loving and gentle Second time loving and gentle feedback Third time say hey, you know, this is happening So we would like to request you to please take a break People give this response responsibility to somebody else and If you want to be involved Please demonstrate, you know, please show us that you can come on time for the next Whatever, you know one month or period you're giving them an opportunity to come back But it has to be after they meet the criteria, right? So what happens is when you do take that disciplinary action Then everybody in the team sees that hey, there is a standard that's being maintained It applies to everybody know there are no exceptions The leader also follows the same standard Everybody but then we have to use the rod Meaning take disciplinary action And then the team sees that We are serious about our work of a ministry There is loving there's loving gentleness But there is also discipline when whenever, you know, somebody doesn't follow the The required standards and so on So that will set an example that everybody understands and then everybody begins to follow But if you don't do the discipline then everybody thinks there's only love and gentleness and there is no rod But that's not biblical, you know, every shepherd has a rod every leader has Been given the authority to bring discipline It's okay All right, good questions I see another question from Roshan In regards to social media communication What is not to exaggerate the online person with the real one? What is it not? So okay, so Roshan is asking the question What does it not exaggerate the online person with the real one? Okay Okay, so I think I understand what you're saying That means we need you see the default tendency in whatever people post online is You're creating an image online And people are relating to the image that you created online the persona Or the person they think you're online As opposed to who this person really is Now on the one hand there is a lot of limitation with online posts You can only post a video or you can only post a picture which is all these are small timeframes of your life You know, maybe a still shot or a 10 second video or whatever They are not So people are just seeing that they're not seeing your whole who you are right So what happens through many small still shots as pictures or many short videos In their minds they are forming a picture of forming an understanding of who this person is And that's the brand image that is the persona that is being communicated through social media online platform Now that is an obvious limitation of social media, right? You can't they can't see your whole life. They're just seeing bits and pieces of who you are or what you do So now we want to keep that as as real as possible It's very difficult because the tendency is always to project the good side of the person Right, so let's talk about Christian ministry So when a person does a video of let's say, you know Example I'll tell you one example So suppose a preacher went to a particular place and he had a one day meeting Okay, so he had a one day meeting in that place Now the brand manager whoever's handling his online presence creates a two minute video To highlight what happened that day and I've seen and I think all of us have seen these kinds of things So the video, you know makes it look so great. Wow They're showing the whole city coming or the person coming into the city and then they show just snapshots of, you know Him laying hands on the people people are falling on the floor This that you know, so in the two minutes it looks like wow Something great, you know, and and they could you know, they could show pictures of the city this that and they could say the city was changed forever You know many many lives were touched and whatever they could say all these things in that two minute video And so what is the impression that's given the impressions given is oh, this was a powerful meeting that shook the whole city whatever The reality could be very different Right the reality could be he came to a place where there were maybe 50 people sitting in the order in the hall and You know he preached and yeah, they lay hands on a couple of people people may have fallen to the floor But that's what's presented in the video. They're not showing You know you can angle the camera in such a way that you're looking at a section of the crowd It's not showing that they were actually only 50 people in the hall The cameras angle as though it's you know, it's part of a very big crowd whatever And and so on So so what is the impression left with the viewer the viewer thinks whoa the massive meeting happened whatever But it could have been very simple, you know So instead what I like to do is I like to say state the facts Hey, we went to so-and-so city. We had we did four sessions. We taught on these are the four topics we taught on We had an average of 50 people attend. We also prayed and minister to people There were there was one person who was saved there were there were three people who received healing One of the healing was from this condition and there were five people were filled with the Holy Spirit That's that's an accurate report as opposed to that two-minute video That gave an exaggerated picture of what happened that day So what's happening the online has to be as close to the real as possible and there's just one scenario that I've shared So how do you create that two-minute video and what you put in that two-minute video can leave an impression on the viewer Which may be true or may not be true Right The correct way to state that give the report on that days ministry is hey We held a meeting in this place. There were 50 people there. This is what we thought this is what actually happened as opposed to If you create a video with you know wonderful music and showing all these graphics and pictures and they can leave a great wrong impression of what happened Then the online person is very different from the real what happened just example like there's so many things are so many other things you know Can be presented online which are very different Is that okay? All right Go ahead, Elisa or yeah I think what you have just said is very very true that It's it is observed largely across many Christian ministries The online communication we keep Yeah, yeah, it's true With the public It's an area We all must pay attention to Yeah, Elisa Yeah, your voice was breaking a little bit, but I think We got what you were saying That we we need to you know keep things honest. Yeah Christopher you have a question, please Oh, yes. No, so I guess to extend You know in the communication that happens in social media I mean it could be you know informative And it could Provide A view of You know What you know what a church could stand for It could they could also it could I guess extend to also towards You know providing Opinions providing No More I guess Clear sort of message about you know Some things that have maybe happening in the world Some you know events that are taking place And again You know not sure how much of it that is actually done by Please but I mean it could it could also be you know It could be you know In the in the realm of Of morals of Of certain Events that are taking place which are not You know not Right in Right in you know from your Of the Christian faith So I just wanted to understand You know How does your view on Perhaps how you know if this is happening already What do you think You know Where are some of the limits where some of the boundaries possibly that The churches can Keep Providing a more active Presence In providing opinions and also being able to Provide A more realistic view of you know What is right or what is wrong This is a very very big question Let me try to be Concise to the point So First Timothy chapter 3 verse 16 The Bible tells us that the church Is the pillar and upholder of truth So the church is called to uphold Truth In the world in society That's part of our calling Part of our responsibility But We have to be very careful How we go about doing that It will be very careful So The Bible also tells us Ephesians 4 I think verse 15 It tells us to speak the truth In love So we must speak the truth But do it in love So we're not doing it to hurt people Push people away or to say that You know we are better than you No We are upholders of truth We got to speak the truth In love In a way that draws people to the truth Not push them away from the truth That's one thing Secondly We must clearly understand the difference between Spiritual action Social action And political action Right We shouldn't try to do through politics What God called us to do through the spirit And we shouldn't try to do through social action What God called us to do through the spirit So what has happened in the western church Is that God all mixed up And this is my opinion You can agree with me or disagree with me It's fine But I feel And I've been observing what's going on In the western church It's all mixed up The church is called to uphold truth But there's a proper way to do it So in terms of acting politically I think the way to do it Is that we need godly people Who will take their places And do a good job in government You see But not by Letting politics use the church That is very wrong Or not letting politicians use the church The church Is not a tool in the hands of politicians The church is a tool So vehicle, an instrument of God So that's where things have gone wrong In the western church The church has become a tool in the hands of politicians That's the wrong approach What should we do The church must take its place in the government And they must do a good job Of serving people That's the way we be salt and light in the world And the church must express truth But express it in love How you teach the people the truth So that communication of course Could happen through the preaching The teaching the word on Sundays Through the written page But always do it in love Not in a way that hurts people Or drives people away But draws them to Christ Social action Must be taken with the same thing So we engage with society In a meaningful way To draw people to Christ Not to drive them away from Christ So again here Social action Has been misused And the church has gone wrong So we can get into the details of it But at a high level My response to your question is Yes The church is called to speak the truth You're supposed to do it in love And how do we do it? Jesus said Let your light so shine before men That they may see your good works And glorify your fathers in heaven They must see your good works Not they must see your violence Or not they see your good works They must see your violence Or not they see your hate Not that they see your You know Forcing your views on our people No They see your good works And glorify your father Who is in heaven So our communication and what we do Should be towards that I hope I address your question Because it's a very big question Okay Anything else? Good questions Okay Let's move forward We're going to change subjects now We may not be able to finish this But we will get started The next lesson is about culture Which is A very Important part Of a Christian church Or A Christian ministry Okay And we will introduce this topic And let's think through on this together Is this So let me say culture What do we mean by culture? You know if you say culture Among a particular community You know your example You go to a particular village Or you go to a particular community Of people And you say this is their culture What do we mean? We are saying that This group of people They share certain values Or they have certain values And practices and standards And traditions which they hold In common Of course We will talk about culture In terms of language they speak The food they eat Certain things they do But we are talking now In terms of an organization Or a community of people And we are looking at it From a spiritual perspective So we are saying that Among these people Within this organization These are the things That the people value This is the way they go about Their day to day life Things they practice These are the standards And these are the traditions That means these are the things They just keep doing it Over and over and over again Traditions Okay So that's what we are talking about When we talk about culture In the context of an organization Your local church organization Or the congregation It's these jointly held beliefs It's these values, practices, rituals It's the way of behaving and thinking And it's the way things are done And this is how we do it here So this form is the culture Of the organization And of course in a very large organization Whenever you have hundreds and thousands Of people there could be subcultures That means there is this overarching culture This is how the whole organization Works together But within departments Or within areas of ministries There could be subcultures Which are aligned of course To the overall culture But they have their own expression Or how they do it could vary A little bit and that's fine Now Culture is also dynamic Which could change over time So it adapts itself over time And sometimes it could be due to external Or internal changes that take place The culture of the community The culture of the organization Can keep changing Depending on how it is formed And shaped over time So what we are interested in Is that in the workplace culture So as an organization People are coming to work In the church In the Christian organization So in that workplace there's got to be A certain culture And also in the congregation To shape the culture You know So we are talking both in the context Of the organization The church, the place where people come to work And also in the congregation So for example if you look at APC You know we have about 30 people Staff who work together here locally We have lots of consultants Who are working remotely But at least in the group of people Are coming together and working There's a certain culture That relates or directs influences How we work with each other And then there is the congregation The people come and worship together And a growing journey together spiritually Amongst us There is a certain culture So we want to talk about this And talk about how to shape this And how to protect The kind of culture that we want to maintain Now Why is this important The culture affects You know we talk about workplace culture It affects overall Employee experience So the church staff When they come to work They should enjoy their work They should have a good experience Day after day When they come together and work And this will of course Determine productivity Are people being productive in their work So on How the congregation is served And It also protects the organization From negative influences So you know if a bad Toxic culture comes in People can get hurt And so on So you can think of The culture, organization culture As the organization's immune system You know Just figuratively speaking It's like As the culture is strengthened And a good culture is developed It's like a good immune system It can keep the bad things The infections Bad things out Or if infections do try to come It can overpower it And get it out So culture is very important You can picture it as the immune system Of the organization So let's think now about What shapes the culture Of the organization We're going to develop this little by little But how is the culture Of the organization shaped This takes place over time But very important To the culture of the organization Is the leadership The leadership has to model The behavior That You want the Model the behavior Which you want to be formed In the culture Of the organization Because people just follow the leaders People follow the leaders They, you know They imitate the leadership So the leadership behavior Must be consistent With the cultural values Of the organization So if the leadership models Servanthood And everybody else on Below the leadership Will choose servanthood As part of their culture Let's serve It's not about status It's not about position No, let's just serve Whatever I need to do to serve I will do So if the leadership models humility People will imbibe humility And will follow that Humility will be part of the culture If the leadership Demonstrates openness, honesty People will say This is the norm Be open, be honest That's the culture we have Now I don't want to put everything on the leadership But this is where it all starts So leadership at all levels Starting from The leader of a department The leader of a ministry area All the way to In the church setting the senior pastor Starting from the senior pastor on Down What the leadership models That's what's going to happen In the organization Or if you want to put it like this You reproduce after your own kind You know That's a law That's what God set in motion In Genesis You reproduce after your own kind So what's in you Will get reproduced In the people who are following you So leadership is very important In Shaping Forming the culture And it's In really expressing What are the values What are the practices What is the behavior Be one people to have Within the organization Now this is a big area This is a big area Because what we have seen And I don't want to sound pessimistic here but In churches If the leader behaves like a celebrity A superstar What happens We have a celebrity culture Within the organization What do you think a celebrity culture looks like Well You know You have to hold This leader and You know like He's a superstar He's way up high on the platform You can never question him You know Everything is there because of him You know in him through him And by him This whole church exists You know all those kinds of things And we have to protect him You know even if he does anything wrong Don't show that to the world Because If he is hurt The whole organization will be hurt He or she The whole organization will be hurt So we have to protect this Leader and the superstar Now the problem is The whole organization Then begins to have a celebrity culture The leader Does whatever he or she wants Says it doesn't The organization is there just to protect the leader Then it trickles down Everyone in the next level From those who are under them They also behave Like celebrities in their own little spheres Of influence And they expect the same kind of treatment That their leader is getting So they act like mini celebrities And so on and goes on now And that's a very very toxic culture It's a very dangerous culture Sadly that's Happening In the Christian church And what we are seeing Or have already seen is In those kinds of organizations There's a lot of mortal failure Mismanagement of funds The leader is not accountable to anybody The leader can say anything He or she wants and gets away with it Ultimately Things collapse Why? There was a celebrity culture And that's not the kind of culture That should be in the church And Jesus made it very clear in Matthew 20 He said The disciples were saying Who's going to sit on your right hand On your left And then Jesus says Look at the world Look at the Gentiles Look at their leaders Their leaders lord it over them But it will not be so among you In other words he's saying Don't follow that pattern Of leadership That you're seeing in the world Which is a celebrity, superstar Dictatorial type In among you In the church Among God's people It's reversed Whoever will be great This is Matthew 20 Whoever will be great among you Let them be your servant Whoever will be first among you Let them be the least So And It's so clear in Matthew 20 That you even wonder why Our Christian leaders have overlooked that Why we as pastors may overlook that Because he's told us very clearly Don't pattern yourself After what you see in the world It's going to be different here And here it's being a servant Here it's putting yourself in the least position And that's the way you lead In The church But The point I want to present here First thing, what shapes the culture Look at the leader Things flow from the leadership Let's pause here And we have a few minutes I want to just give some time To take questions Okay This is a very good question How do you balance Honoring the leader And making him a celebrity Very good question Because it's very difficult To draw the distinction in our minds The Bible teaches us To honor our leaders To honor those in authority To honor those who serve In the Word of God You read about this in Galatians chapter 6 First Timothy chapter 5 First Thessalonians chapter 5 It says, you know, those who minister Labor in the Word and doctrine Be worthy of double honor So the Bible is telling us, you know Those who are preaching, teaching, Ministering the Word Give them double honor, you know So The Bible is teaching us Honor your spiritual leaders Which is very important We cannot let them take the place Of the Lord Jesus in our lives If we need to make it very easy So I think That whole Thing starts with the leader himself The leader Is responsible For how The people Treat him So the leader should communicate To the people Yes, you know, there is honor And respect But don't make me a celebrity Because in the minds of people It's very hard for them to draw the distinction That, yes, I honor my leader But where do I stop? Right? It's difficult for them So therefore I feel that this should come from the leader The leader should tell the people This is where you place me And do not place me like this So There are some intentional things That we can do And I'm not saying I'm just going to share something that I do But I'm not saying You should do this These are things that I just practice I'm not saying everybody should do this I'm saying But the reason I do these things Is because While I understand the importance Of people honoring me I also understand That they should not treat me Like a celebrity In art services We don't have any special place On the platform For any leader to sit So no leader sits on the stage Everybody is on the floor And we did this from the very beginning Why? Because we're all here to worship God It's a very simple thing Basically saying We're all on level ground We're here to worship God Second I don't need an assistant To carry my Bible or my briefcase No I will do it myself Third When I travel I go someplace People will want to Do all these special things I will carry my own baggage I will carry my own luggage I won't let you do it for me Why? I'm just telling them I'm as human as you are As long as God has given me Two hands and two feet I will walk I will carry my own luggage I don't need to be treated In any special way If I need to take the broom And sweep the floor I will do it And I've done it In fact Last Sunday Everybody was doing things I just went I picked the broom People said For me It was demonstrating that look I'm your senior pastor But I can take the broom And sweep the floor It's not a problem for me And I did it last Sunday So What am I communicating? I'm telling Yes, I'm your leader But you don't have to treat me like a celebrity So that I think is the most important thing Then people will honour the leader Without making him into a celebrity Elash, you have a question Thank you pastor I'm not necessarily a question But Something to add up to what you just shared I believe that In our days Christian leaders have Created for themselves More Celebrities More than servants Leaders Because if you look around What is going on In the Christian ministry For example The scenario you gave About the 16 arrangements Okay, sometimes You'll see that The congregation Are sitting on different chairs And the senior pastor Will only be provided A different kind of chair To sit on In the church It kind of Gives a celebrity A celebrity status end It causes the junior pastors To be envoys They keep on slandering one another Because each of them want to Get to that standard Where he will be celebrated So I believe that Christian leaders need to do a lot of work on ourselves For the congregation If you allow them They will celebrate you But they almost lies on you The leader to cut That status from yourself And remain Equal with them A co-servant Of the Lord Thank you very much For your inspiration You've shared with us Thank you So I feel There are a lot of things And I agree with you A lot of things that we as leaders Can correct To keep people From making us celebrities And just honouring us as servants of God Yeah, we need to honour servants of God We need to honour each other But they shouldn't make us celebrities Last question here Kennedy says Then what is the value of a helper In your case So I don't have a personal assistant Or a helper Because for now I'm able to do things And of course we do We do have a lot of church staff People But then They answer this short answer To your question What Kennedy would be Those around us Are helping us Should do things that we are not able to do for ourselves I'm able to carry my own Bible And do things that we are not able to do for ourselves What I cannot do What we need help with Beyond our own abilities That's where people step in Help, do those things But If I have one person carrying my mobile phone One person carrying my Bible One person carrying my water bottle And they walk around me like bodyguards To escort me to the stage That's like over the top The president of a nation Of who he is And importance And for his protection But hey, for a pastor To carry your own Bible Carry your phone and carry your water bottle And go up the stage Those things The pastor can do himself or herself If you don't need Helpers need to do other things That they can't do for themselves That's my thought Anyway I think the bottom line is In order to prevent celebrity culture As leaders We need to let people know that Don't treat us like celebrities Just treat me like a normal human being And of course God has given me a responsibility To be a leader and to serve And that's it Honor that Honor the anointing Honor the call of God Honor the norms We are just plain simple human beings That's it So let's wrap up We will continue this next week As we talk about culture Next Thursday, Friday Just a minute I am going to be in Delhi Let me just look at this very quickly I've got to do this before the class. Yeah, I will. That's fine. So next Thursday Friday, we will do our lectures. Then I after that I travel. It's okay. Good. Let's close in practice. Somebody please pray with us and dismiss us. Please. Thank you for your source of all wisdom and knowledge father. And as we read your word and surrender ourselves, father lead us into an obedient life to your word father. And we thank you for pastor who's taking time to teach us such beautiful things about father. And as we learn them, help us to serve you more faithfully and more joyful in days to come of our father. In all things, we give you glory, honor and praise for who you are and how you're leading us. We thank your holy name. In Jesus's name we ask and pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you everyone. Have a great day and have a wonderful wedding. Say God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you pastor. Thank you.