 Y gallwn gwneud y Gwneudol, y Gwneudol Ilywodraeth, y Gweithgaf Cymru, y Gweithgaf Cymru, y Gweithgaf Cymru, y Llyfrgell Gwneudol, yw'r cyffredinol sy'n dweud, mae'n ddweud yn ychydig o'r hynny ar gyfer y gweithio yng Nghymru. Felly, rwy'n gwybod wedi'n gwneud y dyfodol y gweithio y gweithio y 15-30 ychydig. Rwy'n credu i'n ei chymweithio y 30, ychydig i'n 10 ychydig i'n dweud i'n gweithio y gweithio y gweithio. Thank you very much indeed and thank you for your patience. Good morning and apologies for the delay there. I'm a bit real sorted now. So this is the 26th of May, Grant's committee, Grant's Boryser committee meeting, and I'm going to go through the agenda as we speak. First of all apologies for absence. Apologies from Sue, Council Sue Wellington, but she will join us virtually. Y cwm yn dechrau o ddweud o ddweud o'r cadw o'r ddweud o'r ddweud yng Nghymru. Rhaid i'w ddweud o ddweud o'r ddweud o ddweud, ac yn y ddweud o ddweud o'r pryd-dodd y Gweithasolol Fyrddol. Rhaid i'w ddweud o ddweud o'r ddweud, ddweud i'r ddweud o'r ddweud, ac mae'n bwysig i'w ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Ond, yna, Homyn wedi bod morch eich sylwedd y taeth yn etymol, dwi'n symud ydych chi'n gofyn ni'n gael eich mwyfwyr. Oes gadewch chi aritch. Iethaf i gyd yn gwelogion no 3, y gallai gaelus o'r lliwdd arfer. B羅 yw ychydig, myfyrwch arall sefydig sydd gennym. Ond hefyd yn èw, eich gaelus o'r lliwή tenoedd. Mae raisedeon. Mae'r twf. Mae'r twf. Mae'n siarraen o'r tuog. ddweud i'r llwyddiad dros yng nghymru, yna dros yng Nghymru, mae'r gweithio arno ar y cyflawn gondol. Mae hynny'n yn 5 o 14 o'r gweithio arno arno. Rwy'n ddweud ar y ddweud y cyflawn o'r cyflawn gondol. Rwy'n ddweud arno, maen nhw. Rwy'n ddweud i'r gweithio arno. Rwy'n ddweud arno. Rwy'n ddweud o'r gweithio arno arno arno arno. yma gyfnod, ond arwain fel Cymru yng Nghymru, a'r ystyried rywbeth sydd wedi gwneud o'i gwybod i gydag yma, i'r llyfrbwynau ac rydyn ni'n gwneud. Dyma'r cyd-dyn nhw'n gwybod i'r prydyn fel Cymru. Rydych yn dwi'n fawr o'r yr ysgren yn ymddangos. Dwi'n gwybod i'n gwneud, ac felly rydyn ni'n gwneud i'r ysgredig. Rydyn ni'n gwybod i'n gwybod i'r llyfrwnau. As we said, an application coming from Cambridge Sports Lakes Trust, who manage a Milton Country Park, as you may be aware. So the trust themselves are a registered charity and operate buildings and spaces within the park with community functions. So on that basis, they're considered eligible for the grant. Hopefully you can see the map there or the aerial shot there. And with the proposed location of the chargers would be like would be within the car park for the Milton Country Park. Mounted on the sort of toilet block around where this red dot is, which you can hopefully see that. So yes, they're proposing to install two wall mounted chargers. And there's also just here a photograph showing the parking spaces that will be served by the charger and the building to which they're proposing to mount. The chargers. So the chargers, as you can see there at the very bottom of the page would be to 22 kilowatt chargers. So these are on the faster end of the fast charger category, if you like, and they can typically charge an electric vehicle in around two hours or less. So the car park itself is actually it's not open for 24 hours a day. It's typically only open from 7.30 to 7.30 in the morning to 7 in the evening. As we've probably seen from sort of previous applications to the grant, it's generally preferred that chargers are accessible overnight, basically to enable residents to charge overnight. However, in this particular case, as you can see in the sort of top box there and sort of set out in the report. It's considered that they're sort of likely to be a good amount of demand from other groups. Sort of residents can obviously still use a charge within those hours, but they're potentially other groups that may sort of use a charger in good numbers as well. So for instance, there's around 30 nearby businesses just sort of well to the north and south of the site who could benefit from fast daytime charging for their operations and for their customers. Of course, visitors to the lakes as well and the sort of various facilities that are there where a charge time for an EV of around two hours would quite sort of suit the kind of time that people probably typically tend to spend at the lakes. And also then there's the proximity to the A14 and the A10, which also might provide sort of help users, EV users looking for like a top up charge on those longer journeys. So even if they didn't require a full, you know, roughly full to hour charge, it might help them get on their way. But also, yeah, due to that sort of, as I said, that 22 kilowatt rating and that faster speed for these charges, any residents that did want to use them would be able to charge up faster than they normally would say if they were using a kind of a standard 7 kilowatt charger, which could take, you know, four or five plus hours. So perhaps that would potentially reduce that need for overnight charging. So, yeah, there is a sort of, I think there's a balance there with this particular proposal, which I think it sort of meets. As you can see, sort of further down the summary there, the applicants have provided evidence of quotes from three different suppliers. And the war councillor for Milton and War's Beach, the councillor Hannah Breddonham, has confirmed their support for the application. They've requested the full grant fund of £5,000 with the applicants then sort of making up the remainder of the remainder of the capital sort of cost of the installation. And, yeah, they've provided a kind of an indicative timescale there, sort of showing that that sort of delivery is sort of planned for the delivery of the charges. And they've also committed, as we sort of require them to provide a usage data of the charges to us for three years and to maintain the charges the same amount of time at the minimum. And also to register the charges on a public sort of publicly accessible charging map, such as ZAP map. So, yeah, all those things considered, the application is considered to meet the criteria for the fund. And so, yeah, that's the end of my presentation, but I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you very much, Luke, colleagues. Do you have any questions for Luke? Councillor Henley? It's probably, it's not a consequence for our decision today, but for interest for me. Do you know if they have solar panels or plan to install solar panels in due course, Luke? That's a good question. It would be great if they did or they are planning to. I don't know myself off the top of my head. I believe the last time I went there I didn't notice any on the toilet block building at least. But I know there are other buildings on the site that may have them, but I'm sorry, from memory, I can't, I can't tell you, I'm afraid. It's not a consequence for this particular decision, Luke, I'll say it's just for my own interest. Sure. Councillor Henley, have you got any questions? I don't have any questions. I know we'll do them well, so I'm for this. Lovely. Thank you very much. I've got one point and I think actually where you were describing the overnight pitch isn't going to be available. I personally don't have a problem with that. The access to Milton Park is quite extensive and a lot of people use it, as you said. So for me it's the outside space, access and leisure, as well as the businesses you talked about. But it's the mental health and wellbeing of people so that people can get their hand charged. So superb. So am I right in assuming that my colleagues are in support of this, as I am? Can I have a word? And you can, Sue. I beg your pardon, I forgot all about you. Oh, okay, but anybody forget me. I know. Go over to you. I'm just interested to know who is the landowner. I have it in my head that it's South Cams, actually owns the land. And the 99-year lease is from South Cams. I believe that's correct. Again, it's not something I... Yeah, I believe it's correct from what I know. Sorry, just some interference there. Yeah, I believe that's correct. I also am aware, I think we've provided the Cambridge Sports Lake Trust with grant funding through other grants as well. I think perhaps either one of the community chess grants, either the biodiversity grant or the other community chess grant, the Cambridge Sports Lakes Trust have applied to it under. But yeah, as I understand it, it's a 99-year lease from South Cambridge. But yeah, in my understanding. I think I'm there at the time, as they say, when it was established. And I just had it in my head that it was South Cams. And therefore, do we need to just formally advise them that it is... South Cams are happy for them to do this. I know a 99-year lease is a long time and we'll all be dead long before then. But I would like to make sure that everything is put in place so that there's no potential problems in the future. So yeah, I'm sure we can give them quite what we're asking for. Is it some sort of formal confirmation from us? Sort of perhaps more outside this committee, but more as a council that we're happy for them to provide these charges on this land? Is that what we're asking for? Luke, can we say... I mean, it is leased from us. Can we just confirm that the lease doesn't in any way affect what we want to do? I have no problem with this, but I think we just need to check the lease. To make sure that there's nothing in the lease that prevents them from doing this. Subject to that, I'm happy to support it, to go ahead with it. Yeah, thank you. I was just going to say through our zero carbon communities grant, some bike racks were installed at Milton Country Park. So we have provided infrastructure there before. So just to note really, and I believe what you've said about the lease is all correct as well. Yeah. That's basically what I was asking. Yeah, I'm happy about that. OK, thank you all. Do you want to put your hand down, Emma? Otherwise I'll be coming back to you again and again and again. Right, so we're all in agreement here. John, you're in agreement. I think Sue's in agreement by the sound of it. So that's lovely. So that's an agreement, Luke. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thanks everybody. Thank you enough. Thanks. OK, going on to agenda writer number five, which is grant funding for health conditions specific activity programs. Would I be right if it is? Good morning, Leslie. How are you? Good morning. I'm very well. It seems like a long time since I last presented the GAC. It is. It is. It feels like a year. So I'm going to say over to you and thank you very much. All right. So thank you. So today I'm actually here to present two grant proposals for the leisure to extend our leisure offer. And just to provide a little bit of context, we have two funding streams for leisure. So we we get grant funding from public health to provide our healthy you contract and that very much involves community development. And from that we provide things like curling the health walks, walking football, etc. And then we have a different funding stream, which comes from the council. And from that we procure the services of a physical activity coordinator who many of you may know as Helen Stepney. So with that comes a budget. And so that and within that budget, you know, we set what our priorities might be for the year. Now, last year there was a significant underspend from her budget and we have sort of through some research decided that what would be the best use of that funding. And we've come up with two sort of grant proposals. So one of them is the long term conditions grant. Now every year we get contact from voluntary sector groups and organisations asking whether we could provide any grant funding to help supplement their physical activity. And this could be for things like, as example, Parkinson's. So they provide sort of weekly activity groups for specifically for individuals that have Parkinson's disease to offer some kind of. So, yeah, so we offer. Or they offer sort of weekly activities for individuals that have Parkinson's disease to offer some kind of. So, yeah, so we offer. Or they offer sort of weekly activities for individuals that have Parkinson's disease to offer some kind of. So, yeah, so we offer. Or they offer sort of weekly activities for individuals and their families, which provides a little bit of hope. A little bit of sort of physical support to help manage their condition, and it also provides some kind of social connection and peer support for other individuals. But because of the nature of these types of groups, attendance at these weekly events is fluctuates, very much dependent on an individual's health in any one given week. And therefore, these organisations struggle to keep these activity groups going, and they are essential for the well-being of those people that are suffering with these long-term conditions. So, as you know, we can't just give up money when people ask for it. So we've come up with an idea where we could offer a grant which will enable voluntary sector organisations and groups to be able to apply to us where we can be open and transparent in how we support these groups going forward. So you'll see from the paper that how we are using unspent funds from last year and combining that with the same funding for this year. So I think this grant is for £13,000, and we are proposing that we would hand out grants for £2,000 to applicants. So we've proposed to launch the grant scheme from next month, which is soon upon us, and the applications would be reviewed by officers and that we would bring back those decisions to GAC probably at the end of August to present you with the outcomes of that application process. Any questions? Thank you, Leslie. That was lovely. I've got one straight away from me, so I've already got something in my head, as you may have imagined. Would making an application to this particular fund disallow somebody to come back to the community test or the zero carbon or anything like that, is this going to be separated away? Given the fact that it is essentially a health-based type of grant, you probably know where I'm driving anyway. Well, I think what happens is these groups struggle with revenue funding, so the cost of halls, the hiring of venues, etc. So this funding would be used for that. If they required capital investment, then my understanding is that they could apply to community tests for any capital requirements. Emma, are you in agreement? Sorry, I'm on mute. Yeah, absolutely. Ongoing revenue costs would not be eligible. So, yeah, any capital items, like we said to our applicants, this is the way we need to go with the grants, unfortunately. Sorry, Emma. You're kind of crack with it a little bit. Ongoing revenue costs through the community tests would not be eligible, but, like Leslie says, any capital items would be fine if there was any sort of capital funding that you needed. Okay, so I'll give you a what-if scenario, shall I? So let's assume that there's a community space within South Cams, very modern, very well-run, very much near Melbourne, and it's working with the local groups and also the NHS. And there's a menopause cafe and a carers cafe, which uses one of the space in there, and obviously there's a small rental for the space for that meeting. Would that type of circumstance be eligible to apply to this grant? Yes, they would. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Questions from my colleagues? Councillor Hanroch. So, just one question. These people who you aim this at, how do they get transported to the places where this service will be provided? Like, is there a bus to pick them up for? Well, these activities are already their ongoing activities, and they take place probably all over the district. So we don't provide transport to get people to and from these activity centres. So that isn't part of the offer. As far as I know at the moment that people find their own transport to get there, does that answer your question? Yes, it does. It's just that a few, maybe because of that factor, a few people will be missing out on this. I mean, transport is an ongoing issue when we undertake community engagement with residents across the district. Access to transport or cheap forms of transport is an ongoing issue. We do try, if people are having difficulty getting from A to B, we do try to connect them with the voluntary sector, car networks, where we can. Yes, I think St John's ambulance might help out as well. So thank you. Councillor Henley. This seems to me like a very sensible way to use this funding. Does indeed. Does indeed. OK. Sue, I shan't forget you this time. Thank you. I think it's a brilliant grant. I think the idea is good. My thought is always on a practical basis and much of the social prescribing seems to me to be coming from perhaps one or two to each surgery rather than a group. And somehow. There needs to be something that brings that group together so that they can apply for a grant to provide the service. And I'm thinking particularly of something like the mental health, which you mentioned in your, your summary. Where perhaps there's one or two people from each surgery and it's how we can join those all together in order to apply for the grant in order to provide the service. Do you know what I mean? And I'm not sure that comes through as an option. It seems to me that we're actually looking to people who already do something to enlarge to provide a service. But it's those odd people in various parts of the district that bother me. Yes, Sue. I totally understand. I mean this grant is very much aimed at existing groups that are looking for funding to sort of subsidise their ongoing revenue costs just to keep their groups going. But we are having ongoing conversations with each of the PCNs to look at what their priorities are and where they want to focus. If there's a specific health condition that they want to focus then we're happy to work with them to help set those up where we can. So if that means opportunities for grant funding then of course we would be looking at that too. But this is going to be a one off. In previous grants we've done I'm thinking of our sports grants that we had last year that was a kind of ongoing access to grants throughout the year. But this is going to be a sort of annual hopefully an ongoing annual event. So we'll do our best to publicise this to existing groups this year to invest and keep those going. But what we can be doing over the course of this year is be looking at where there are gaps in provision for certain health conditions. And then if and when we can run this scheme again next year we will be pointing them towards our source of funding as a way of helping to subsidise them going forward. So growing the services really what we're into. Absolutely. Thank you. Let's just mention the PCNs there obviously. Is this something which would be excluded or PCNs excluded from applying? Yes we would want to work with the voluntary sector so we wouldn't expect the PCNs to be running. Let's say a Parkinson's group they might support it but it would actually be run by let's say Parkinson's UK or a respiratory organisation with the support of the PCNs. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Okay so I'm looking at my colleagues here. We're in agreement. Yes. I think soon there's an agreement online so John let's say yes and off. Thank you. Yeah I'm in agreement as well. Thank you. Leslie are you doing the next agenda item as well? I am yeah so again this is paper number two is another opportunity to provide grant funding. So again we've got a little bit of underspend last year from the physical activity coordinated budget. That's mainly from an income from the sports camps and an underspend in the sports camps. And also there's been an underspend on the exercise referral schemes. So we've managed to sort of make savings but we've identified that there's unspent funds there and how can we best direct that funding going forwards. Now we're in frequent contact with our dual use leisure centres who are the main providers of our leisure across the district. And they've got ongoing issues with regards to their own sort of financial stability. So very few of them have really recovered from COVID. So nationally leisure centres are reporting that their membership is backed pre COVID levels. But in South Cambridge that isn't quite the case yet. We're heading there and we've made significant progress this year. But we're still not back to this pre COVID membership that they did have. In addition to that they have the ongoing financial significant increases as a result of the utility and energy increases. And they're sort of suffering as well with staffing and recruitment because typically people in the leisure centre are paid at the lower end of the wage scale. And they're losing a lot of staff to better pay jobs. So it's not a pretty picture at the moment in the leisure industry. And we in discussion with them we've sort of been talking to them about how we could best support them. So number of them have not reintroduced some of them or popular classes because they cannot afford to run under utilised classes. Because they haven't put those classes back on they are not recruiting the membership perhaps it's attracting the membership that they could be attracting. So it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. So we have said well perhaps we could propose giving them some seed funding to get some of these classes back up and running this year. So that they can run them at sort of less than 100% capacity with the idea that they build up that membership over the year. And then perhaps we wouldn't need this funding again next year but we'd have to review that at the end of this year. So this grant funding really is specifically for the dual youth centres just to try and stimulate increased membership and get them back to those pre COVID levels and just help them to sort of stay afloat financially and give them a little bit of support over the next year. So I think we're proposing £9000 in total. And that's mostly from last year's budget with a little bit of dedicated budget this this year. So that makes a total of 9000. And that would be about we're sort of proposing £1000 grants for each of the leisure centres. Any questions. Thank you Leslie. Councillor Henley. I think the obvious question is, I mean it's not a lot of money particularly and ordinarily I'd be 100% in favour of this but the question is if we've got a problem staffing them, staffing these centres, how is £9000 or £1000 per centre going to be beneficial? Because if they can't afford to employ the staff, it's not going to make very much difference. So I just wondered how you think this is going to make a big difference to these centres? Yeah, I mean it's not going to resolve this. You're right in that £9000 or £1000 per centre isn't a great deal of money in the whole scheme of things but it might offer them the opportunity to recruit or train up existing staff that are not yet qualified to provide these classes. It literally is, it's a nominal amount of money to just help through a very sticky patch. What we can do, we will be reviewing the outcomes. So you know at the end of the year when they report back on how this funding has been used and what difference it's made, we can then make informed decisions whether this is worthwhile funding going forward. Or whether it was a sort of a one-off source of help. Thanks Leslie. Councillor Snodden, Henry Rodge. I think it's worth funding this because as they say they're going to review it in a year, things are getting back on their feet so I think I agree with it. Yeah, maybe I could clarify. I mean I do support this but I just have my doubts, that's all. I'm just not sure that it will work but I'm certainly willing to support it and see how, if it does make a difference particularly since officers are going to come back to us in 12 months. Councillor Harrington. I'm quite happy with this idea because it will mean that Leslie and her colleagues will be in contact with the dual use centres, will have something in their hand that they can offer to help as well as the advice and support. It will perhaps open doors and create new opportunities so I'm all for it. Thank you Councillor, that's, I mean I think words taken out of my mouth really I think, yeah. I'm very much in agreement so I think in the room here and online John we have agreement across the board to support this. Yeah, I take off all bills reservations but I think it, I think this is something that we should try and give some support and we'll see how it goes. Thank you. In that case that you done now Leslie. Yeah. It was lovely to see you again. Thank you very much. You too. Thank you. Take care. Bye bye. Good morning Emma. Good morning Joes. Now we were going to go to item 7 which is my pecuniary interest so I think what we'll do, we're not quite fixed with this in the chamber here so with the committee's gift I will defer this to the next meeting and with you John if you're okay. Yeah we'll move straight here. Yeah so long as it doesn't cause any problem as I'm taking the scheme over then yeah I'm happy for it to be deferred to Joes. Thank you. Okay Emma, could you start on a gender item 8 for me? Yeah absolutely so this report follows on from the children and young people's grant end of year report that was provided at last month's GAC. It's just to give you a further update that we've received from Orchard Park Community Council. So if you'll remember they received £8,000 in funding to help address antisocial behaviour. So having spoken to the community council and receiving that update as officers we're satisfied that the project has progressed well and is on track. You can see in Appendix A the progress that has been made and as you can see plans are to work with a professional graffiti artist to create some structured art work at the skate park but in order to ensure that the work can be achieved Grant's Advisory Committee is asked to consider recommending an extension until the 30th of October just to make sure that they can secure a graffiti artist named Kilo. It's the one that they would like to use so they've sort of just to sort of discover just any eventualities they wanted to see if they could extend until then. The actual update that they gave I've attended a meeting as well is pretty comprehensive. They've done lots of detached work. They've created a girls group. 100% of those they've engaged with have reported an improvement in their wellbeing. Three girls have gone on to volunteer at a local youth club and are starting training in youth work which is fantastic and they've held a focus group. So any questions on that one? Thanks Emma. I think this is absolutely superb really because especially with the artwork I don't know if you're familiar with the underpass project that some of your colleagues Beth and I have been involved with in Melbourne between Melbourne and Meldriff. I had nearly 200 artists come and do their bit and it has been an absolutely massive success. Councillor Hamrodd, have you got any questions or want for Emma? Just to say thank you because I'm from Hojuparks. I'm aware of what way this is being used although I haven't you know whether I am aware of it. Thank you. Councillor Ellington. I think this is absolutely what we should be doing in so many places and if it gets rid of antisocial behaviour and helps young people get on the track of taking responsibility and moving their lives forward. It's cheap. Let's go for it. That's lovely then. Okay so I suppose then we're in agreement down here. We're in agreement up there. I think that's a genuine agreement then John. Okay Emma. Sorry Joseph we didn't hear that. Yes I think that's really good. Next agenda item is you again Gemma. Emma sorry. Yeah that's me. So agenda item 9 on page 45. We have had four applications this month amounting to £7,047.43. The first of which is Cambridge Acorn project. I'll just run through a brief summary on this one. They help children and families who have experienced trauma and or attachment or relational disruption. And the charity would like to partner with Romsey Mill at the Romsey Mill Youth Cafe which currently takes place in the centre of Camborn and they've confirmed that this is actually taking place at Camborn Church on Friday afternoons. That was one little bit that we had to get a little bit of clarification on actually the venue. And what they'd like to do is to provide a therapist drop in sessions so that young people could just access that as and when they needed it. And the therapist would provide half a day in term times for an entire year and this would cost £3,150 and they've requested the full £2,000 from the community chest. They've said that if they are successful they'll approach other funders for the remaining £1,150. And if all these plans fail they'll use the reserves to fund the balance. The reverence Bill Miller from the church is entirely supportive as are the three district councillors for Camborn. Any questions please. Thanks Emma. Colleagues? Cancer Hamraj. This is really worthwhile. I think this is about time something like this was put into place so I fully support this. Cancer Hanley. Yes, supportive. Emma, I see there's a question that the landowner to be confirmed at GAC. I don't know if that was done but does it make a material difference here? Probably not. I don't think so. I think it was the other Emma already mentioned where it was taken place. Church, Camborn Church, yes. In that case then. It's completely independent of the church that it just happens to be located in there. Is that right Emma? That's correct, yes. Okay, I'm happy. And then we're all in full agreement down here. That one Emma. Thank you. Lovely. Okay, so on to page. Hold on Emma, hold on. I've done it again. I've done it again. Councillor Anderson, I'm so sorry. I know when I'm not wanted. I know. No, I think this is great. What I want to say is in our other new areas, if only we could have something like, we've just been looking at at Orchard Park, something we're looking at here and introduce it to North Stowe and other new groups where young people haven't really found their, their footings yet. It would be wonderful. I'm very, very positive. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Anderson and I apologise yet again. Emma, over to you. Okay, page 46. We have Linton Village Cricket Club. They play matches from the end of April until the beginning of September on the recreation grounds. And they would like to apply for all the costs needed to purchase three pieces of equipment. So these are two rolls of rope. This marks the boundary and allows fielders to run hard at the ball right up to the point where it hits the boundary. A device known as a boudry water removal system that removes standing water and a verty cut quick change cartridge for their mower. So this gives a more cleaner, more consistent cuts and controls the weeds and everything. Total costs are £1,718.43. They've not asked the parish council to contribute financially as they've already provided funding this year. And we have both councillors Henry and John Bachelor in support. Thank you. Thanks Emma. Colleagues, Councillor Raj. I think it's good that people are coming up to play cricket and I think it's good for the community as well. So I support it. Thank you Councillor Ainson. I'm supportive. Thank you Councillor Henry. I'm supportive too and I think it's good that we're supporting cricket. Because it used to be supported. Thank you very much and I am too. That's unanimous here. Over to you again Emma. Okay, so page 48 we have Shelford and Stakeford Strikers. They're a grassroots youth football club and they provide benefit to over 300 children. And members include those from neighbouring parishes of Saws and Hawks and Trumpington. And the football club uses the playing field at the Stakeford Community Primary School for both training and matches. And what they're doing is they're running a fundraising campaign to help develop the football facilities. So this includes pitch surface upgrades, toilets, changing rooms and a secure area for housing, goal posts and equipment. They've also recently widened the scope of the project to include repairs to the whale wreck in Little Shelford, which is another of their training and match facilities. And what they would like through the community chest are the costs for the sort of pitch upgrades. And the total costs for this part of the project are £1,584. And they would like to have funding from the community chest for £1,329 because they've already received £255 through the GoFundMe campaign. So that's the balance through the community chest. And the sort of pitch upgrades they want just to prepare topsoil and seed the goal in centre areas, feed the pitches, spikes, garifi, all that kind of stuff, spray the pitches, all the sort of typical things that you would need. Councillor Peter Fein is in support. Any comments on that one, please? Thank you very much, Councillor Eilinton. Just trying to catch me asleep. I'm very happy about young people's football and young people getting involved in things. So yes, I'm very supportive. Thank you. It was a little cheat he wanted to catch you out there. Okay, Councillor Hanraj. Oh, fully supportive. Thank you, Councillor Hanley. Support it. The only thing I would say is it's school and I've only got a year's lease. It's not very likely, but the school could come in in a year's time and say thanks very much. You want everything that's on that land. It's ours. Is that true? That lease has been extended from ten months to three years just recently as well. I've had a change of head teacher as well, so there's been a lot of changes at the school. I have actually asked if they could have a reduction in rent perhaps from the school to help. The person that made the application is fully committed and is trying everything he can to secure this funding through the community chest. I suppose there's only so much you can do as an applicant if other people aren't willing to or can't provide co-funding. I can see the dilemma and the challenges they've had there. If I may, Chair, I'm sure you've done everything, Emma. I think if there had been a nought added to the end of the figure requested, I'd have been slightly more concerned. But if they've extended it for three years, that seems very enough to me. Thank you very much. Okay, Emma. I think we're in agreement down here as well with the recommendation to you and John. And I think this is the last one, is it? Oh, hold on. No, Hardwick Preschool. Sorry, there's one more. Did you have on page 49? Yep. You got that one? Yep. Okay, so Hardwick Preschool currently looks after 32 children and they run from a purpose-built mobile classroom. And they have an outdoor enclosed area within the grounds of Hardwick Community Primary School. And what they'd like to do is improve the outside area. A large section of this is bare shaded ground, so it gets quite muddy. It's not really that usable. And what they would like to do is resurface the area with a mix of tarmac and artificial grass. And then in the middle, they'd like to create an embedded nature area. They've said that the canopy covered area would allow for future community events to take place as well. And to do this work, the total cost were around £6,000. And they've requested £2,000 from the community chest. They have been successful in securing a grant from the parish council. Although the exact amount is yet to be confirmed, but they did request £1,000. So obviously they're quite hopeful that they will get that. But at the moment, nothing's confirmed on the actual amount. Fundraising has also begun with future events also planned. And they've also contacted local businesses to see if they can support the project financially as well. The preschools on land owned by Cambridge County Council. They don't have a fixed-term lease and they currently pay rent to the council for the building and land. But the preschool have always paid for the development and repair of the outdoor space. Green options include obviously, as I said, a nature area. They'd like to include a hedgehog dwelling as well. And Councillor Nieto is in support. Thank you, Emma. I can almost hear the questions as I speak and I'm looking at my colleagues. Bill, would you like to go first? Yeah, well, I actually like the idea that they've come up with to make the area more usable. And we've got Cambridge County Council at the back of this. I presume Emma's been speaking with them. I've not spoken to the county council, but like I say, it's on their land. So obviously I don't know if there's any sort of funding that they could provide. I know that obviously it's limited, but also because they're a preschool, they're not actually a school. So it's a little bit different to a school funding because it's actually a charity as such, I think. Yes, it is a charity. So they are set up in their own sort of like charitable status. I think that's where I was coming from, the fact that county are involved. One other question is they're three grand short from what they said they've applied for or asked for the parish. And so that's a lot to fundraise for a small group. Have they indicated how they're going to raise that into three? Well, they said, obviously, events are going to take place and the typical sort of type of fundraising I should imagine, you know, that you would do as a school involving children. I don't know the exact specifics, but. OK, Councillor Hanraj. There are similar questions to what you had. They said local businesses have been contacted. So obviously that's another route that they might like to go down, maybe potentially get some funding from them. So there's quite a few variables here by funding where they're going to get it from. And there's no fixed term lease for this either. So I don't know if this is going to be successful in the long run. How long have they been going for? Let me check that with Nick. Oh, OK, OK. I think if I might interject, I think the question is around ownership of land, because we always specify parish councillans it, we'd expect half up front from them. Well, this is Councillor Hanraj, but as Emma has explained, the primary school do all the maintenance and everything if I recall you saying that. Repairs. I think you said that. Yeah, yeah. So that's sort of, you know, the, well, the pre-school themselves do the, on their own sort of like area that they've got allocated, that's where they do all their maintenance and they've been doing that and there's not been a problem with that. Obviously, the school would maintain the school side of it. But this is the pre-school. Yeah, this is the pre-school side of it. OK, let's go to Councillor Ayn and see what she has to say. And then we'll come back. Thank you. I always focus on the practicalities. And perhaps what makes me have some concern about this is that they say that they want to include a hedgehog dwelling in an area that they're going to put artificial grass on and concrete. Now, firstly, where are they getting the hedgehog? Are they raising expectations with the young people that there will be a hedgehog living in the house because they put the house there? And it just strikes me that that's been added on to, added value to a project, but it doesn't in my view. So that makes me a bit sceptical about how practical it is for them to actually raise the additional funds. So I've got a few sort of worries. Yeah. I think the area in the middle, there's the nature area. So there'll be living plants and things in that section. That's where the hedgehog house would be going, I think. I would wager that the hedgehog hospital to give in calls without saying to say because the hedgehog needs to be able to run and do whatever they do. So there's going to be fences around this because of the children to keep them corralled. Perhaps we should disregard that and perhaps say that we're not happy with the hedgehog dwelling inside a closed area with artificial grass. If we were to approve this, I think that would be a caveat that I would prefer to put on it. And where young children may interfere with any hedgehog that does decide to live there. Yeah. Right. I'm going to take a leap of faith here and go to John to see what his thoughts are. John? Yeah, my concern with this, the concern about is the artificial grass, to be honest. Artificial grass is not good for the environment. And I can understand why they've brought it because it would be low maintenance, but I'm not sure we should be funding artificial grass anywhere, to be honest. And I wanted to hear the views of the committee on that. My other issue I've got is the one that we've touched on. And that is they don't seem to have any formal lease arrangement with the county council. And that worries me. And what I was going to suggest was that we asked them to seek that or to at least have some agreement with the school, which they can show that they are allowed to use that site in perpetuity or for a certain period of time so that they have some tenure. Because at the moment it doesn't seem to have any... If you were a tenant, you would have a contract or a lease with the landowner or the owner of the property. And you'd have some surety, then, that you would be guaranteed to be able to stay there for a certain time. They don't seem to have anything. It's there to suggest you're goodwill by the school. I'm not sure, does the county council even know that this is being used by the preschool? There's no reason to... I've had this in the past, I've come along, for example, and I've wanted to sell a building that a preschool is in. And they realised that it was being used by a preschool because they had been organised through the school. So, yeah, I was going to ask him if we do agree about this, that at least we should seek to see some sort of formal agreement between... And it's in their own interests, I would have thought, to have an agreement with either the county or the school for the use of this site. But apart from that, I'm not happy about artificial grass. I don't like artificial grass, I'm afraid. So, I would be reluctant to accept that, unless the committee can persuade me otherwise. But I'm not a fan of artificial grass. Thanks, John. Artificial grass and preschools, I can see why. And the primary school in one of the ones I represent have just had a load of artificial grass because it was just a mud bath where the little ones come out and run around like endless chickens. So, I can see why that would be the case and obviously keeping them cleaner. My overwhelming feeling is that we defer this until next month. It won't make the slightest bit of difference to them because they've still got to raise three grand and they can get on raising three grand. That's fine. I think the questions that John and colleagues here have raised are how leases, et cetera, et cetera, and approvals gives this group enough time for them to go back and then provide Emma with that information. I think we probably want to be really comprehensive here, Emma. That's fine. I was just going to ask, is Darmac the place where little children are going to run around because that's not really suitable for the surface for preschool children or children. They say Darmac and artificial grass. That's my question. Darmac isn't a child's life surface. The play group I talked about has got a mix of both. It's got the soft... It looks like Darmac but it's soft when you fall over on it. There's also artificial grass and then there's pucker, Darmac, where they draw on and do hopscotch and stuff like that. It's a mix of everything. My view on artificial grass is that it does have a place and this might be one. I hate to disagree with John but I don't like artificial grass when real grass is a viable option but it appears not to be here. So that doesn't worry me so much. It's ultimately John's decision but I would be happy probably in a month's time. I think I'm going to be quite happy if they can provide the reassurance that we're seeking. So yes, I agree it should be deferred. Councillor Eilenton, I haven't forgotten you. I have my sort of say and I think yes deferral is a good plan to clarify what really they're doing. Thank you, sir. Can I say, Joe, that as I said, I don't like artificial grass but if the committee can persuade me that in this case it's okay, then obviously I defer to the committee. I say my main issue is with this very loose gentlemen's agreement almost handshake about them using county council land and I'd like to see some formal agreement between them and the school or the county council to ensure that they do have that right to use that land for the preschool. Yeah, I mean, I think, John, hopefully our comments here about the artificial grass and the mix of services and what have you has allayed some of your fears with regards to the artificialness of it. I think the arena and the circumstances you use is actually quite appropriate, if you like. The other side of it is absolutely deferral to get the information that you seek. So if you're happy with that, that's what we'll recommend here to you. And I think, Emma, that is the last one, isn't it? That is, yeah. Okay, in that case, thank you very much. Goodbye. The rest of your done. I just want to say thank you to Sue and I hope you keep recovering Sue and all of the thousands of viewers out there watching this slight car crash of a meeting today. Thank you for watching and thank you for listening and we'll see you next month. Goodbye.