 Okay, I'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Let's go ahead and do a roll call. Alder-Feldy. I'm here, I'm here. Great, Alder-Feldy. Here, here, here. Alder-Dekker. Here. Great, Alder-Akley is excused, Alder-Selzer here. If we could all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Great, do we need to do any introductions? Do you want to say anything else? Make an answer from the fire department. Okay. Okay, wonderful. All right, we'll move on to agenda item number five, approval of the minutes for the October 25th, 2023. We'll approve, oh, second. Great, any discussion? Great, all those in favor, please say aye. I'm an aye. Thanks, Barb. Any opposed? Great, chair votes aye. Minutes are approved. Okay, agenda item number six, resolution number 92324, a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the joint powers agreement for the Sheboygan County, for Sheboygan County and the city of Sheboygan, 911 emergency system. Who am I passing this off to? I can speak to them. Okay. This is an annual agreement. Our office has reviewed it and would recommend approval as is. Okay, any, yep, go ahead. Question, why is it done on an annual basis and not 10 years? I mean, it's not going to go away. This is, you'd approve this every year, regardless. That's a great question. Typically we like to see contracts have a little longer life than a single year. I would have to suspect that there is a statutory provision that relates to this because of budgeting and appropriations, things like that. But I haven't researched that question, so I can't give you an educated answer. Yeah, because I remember doing this before and I thought, well, why don't we do it for fight or why don't we do it, yeah, I don't know. There are issues, generally speaking, with encumbering the city financially before a council has approved that expense in that year's budget. So typically when we have long-term contracts that extend beyond the current year, we include a provision in there that says the city is going to be able to withdraw from this agreement if funds aren't granted in the future. And so I would expect that if we were to do a longer-term agreement here, but it may be that there are reasons why that type of provision is not desirable for either party, and so then the alternative would be a year. Well, the other thing I thought was maybe because we're working with another government body, to be meaners, you know, and they always want it on a year, you know what I mean, so then we're going to do it their way or something like that, maybe. That could be. If you'd like, I could look into this further. I'm going to approve anyway. Okay. Yeah, it could be the county's burden, the way they do their budgeting, too, is the same thing, you know, so it's a little bit of a pressure to sway. I will make a motion to approve that. Second. Okay, we've got a motion and second. Any other discussion? Great, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair votes aye. Motion is approved. Okay, agenda item number seven, RO number 692324 by City Clerk submitting various license applications. I can speak to that. Thank you. Attorney Adams has reviewed the license applications that were reviewed in this week's meeting. He recommends approval. There was one with a class A to your application. He has a notation in here that there was a correction of premise needed. That has been corrected. So there's no reservations on approval then. Cool. Any other questions? Great, looking for a motion? Motion to approve, second. Great, I got a motion, second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Great, chair votes aye. Motion is approved. Okay, number eight, discussion regarding the time of future committee meetings. There is a six month period out of the year where I have a very hard time getting here in 415. And I am, as you've known the last three, I'm having a hard time making it. So I would be interested in hearing any discussion of even moving it back to like 430 or five o'clock. I would be interested to hear what other committee members say. I did reach out to Alder Ackley, but she is at work. So I don't know, I should be able to respond until later. I've always been in favor of 430 because for me it's, I get off of work at 330 and yeah, I get here, but it's a rush. It's, you know, an extra 15 minutes, believe it or not, makes a big difference for me. So that's my, I mean, I wanted to. Great. Barb, do you have any feelings about moving the time, fact about maybe a half hour or 15 minutes? To what would be the time then? 430. I have no qualms with that. Great. Okay. May I offer just a comment from our office? Sure. Yeah. The minutes for the committee are currently taken by an employee who was paid on an hourly rate. Yeah. So there, there is a concern that if we have a longer agenda and the meeting goes beyond five o'clock that we may run into an overtime situation. Given the timing of common council agenda submission deadlines and the role that our office plays in all of that, it's very difficult to balance that out within the week that is incurred. I don't think that'll be a huge issue if the meetings are starting at 430. If there's a longer agenda, perhaps it could be that the minute taking is split between individuals or someone else from our office takes over at five o'clock. So we're open to that as well, but just want the committee to be mindful of staff. Yeah. I mean, this is the one of the only committees that I understand that meets this early. So all the other committees don't actually meet until five o'clock. And so I absolutely hear what you're saying, but we do have a working council. And so we have to sort of make it work. And if I have to make a choice, I will take my full-time job over this. So the other piece of information was like, if 415 is the one, like we could have a discussion about keeping people giving the option of promoting in. Like if I'm stuck at work and I don't remember and I can't leave early, it would be easy for me to log in and remote in versus trying to rush from my employer to get here on time. Because the last time I did that, I was so speeding. And I believe the council rules would allow for that as long as the agendas were properly noticed. And we just, as a matter of course, put that on every LHPS agenda, you could cover that. Great, go ahead. I talked to Chuck once before and he had said something, because we had those rules in place for COVID and then we kind of went back from that. I actually would, I think that that would be something if we have to change council rules, if we could change that for even for council, I think would be helpful that. Because there are times that all of a sudden, somebody doesn't feel good, but they feel good enough that they could, they're sneezing and stuff like that. But there was a couple of times where you got kind of close on having a quorum. And somebody gets like, well, I really don't want to come in, but I can do it from home. But unless it's published, is there a way that we can change council rules so that it is an option for people on a regular basis? Yes. I would like to see, I don't know if the bearer that would start from this committee or if we're kind of getting beyond what the... I think that's beyond this agenda item, but I would just advise you to work with the legal department in crafting that. There may be appetite for other council rule changes that could be bundled into it. Just make sure that you have the necessary support to get that through, and then our office can help you draft. Would that be appropriate to go through as putting it as a committee of the whole, or do we just talk in the legal department and then putting it on the... Trying to get it on the agenda or... Yeah. Do we have to have discussion on that? I would certainly encourage discussion on it because everyone is going to have a different opinion on things. Yeah, for sure. And I think a committee of the whole provides the best opportunity for that discussion. If you could schedule one immediately before a council meeting or something to minimize disruption, I think that would be an option. Okay. Just a question. Did you ever think about moving the meeting to the morning? Is there another time that... Again, I have the flex... Just bringing food for thought. I mean, if you guys want to meet at 7 a.m., what time do you start at? That was the same thing. Well, I would start at what, 7? So you would be talking at... If we were going to have a half-hour meeting, I would have to start probably about 5.30. A.m.? 5.30. Okay, well I'm... Because I start working at 6.30. I'm not having quarrel problems. 5.30. Well, you're the one that wants to do it the morning. I know, I just thought... If everybody was stuck... Yeah, I go to commission meetings, it's at 9 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. I'm going... It's just one of those things where some other people are more flexible because of the people that are on... That are members of that committee because they're either retired or they have a chance. Yeah. I mean, you might have a time where I'm always off between 9 and 10 during the day because that's my lunch break or... Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I think I was... I'm more pertaining to the older committees, like this one, Public Works, Finance and Personnel. Yeah. Are all at 5 o'clock or later starting. But 4.30 is the one we're going to land on. And I think out of the history of all of our meetings in a year, we maybe have, what, two or three that go over. It's not a frequent... If it was a frequent thing, I would say, yeah, let's talk through that. But it feels... I've been on this for two years and I think we've only had three late ones. And if we think we're going to be running long, can we just forward those items to the next committee meeting if we didn't have to take action? That committee meeting, it'd be over within a half an hour anyway. We could do that. Another option is to have those minutes that go beyond 5 o'clock generated by recording. Yeah. It's long, but that assumes that the recording works as it's required to every time. Yeah. But I think we can make it work between our staff. Yeah. Okay. So in the spirit of saving time, let's go ahead and move... Can we start it in the new year? Let's start it in 2024. There's a new budget season. We won't affect this budget. So let's go into the new season. So starting in the January meetings, starting at 4.30. Barb, did you catch that? I missed most of it. Okay. We were saying that we're not going to start until January for this committee meeting to move into the 4.30 time slot. We're going to keep it consistent for the... Do you need a motion to do so? Actually, it's actually the chair's discretion. Oh, it's just the chair's discretion. So I'm starting in January, we're moving into 4.30. I'll make that motion to do so. No, we don't need a motion, Barb. It's all covered. Thank you, though. Okay. I appreciate your support, but I do need a motion to adjourn. Do you want to make that one? Sure. Motion to adjourn. Great. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Next meeting date is November 29th.