 Okay, good morning everybody to BC 308, our class here on Daniel, Revelation and Daniel. We have been going through the book of Daniel and we paused in chapter 7. We are going to pick up from there. Let's take a moment to pray. Good morning Asha, Siddhant, Kumbhulu and everybody else in the class. Let's take a moment to pray please and then we will start. Could somebody lead us in prayer? Can we pray? Yes, John. Dear heavenly and revealing God, we thank you so much that you love us so much to deliver that you allow us to understand your will, to understand even the coming times that you revealed long time ago but they are still being revealed even to us. Therefore, Lord, as we prepare to learn that you will give us a spirit of learning and that you will be able to learn. And even if Father will pray that even our teacher will be able to have the right vocabulary to talk to us and that will give him your action that will be able to be lived by you in doing this. That your chapter will be edified and your name will be glorified when Jesus' name will pray and believe. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Rowan. Okay, so we have been joining through Daniel. We read through Daniel chapter 7 and we are going to look at it in greater detail today and then we progress chapter by chapter. Just a quick review. We started in chapter 2 where we had Daniel interpret the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had which was that of an image, head of gold, chest of silver, waist of bronze or I could say brass, legs of, thighs, waist and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, feet, iron mixed with clay. So that was the image that Nebuchadnezzar saw. He also saw a big rock that wasn't cut by human hands. It came out of heaven and crushed this whole image. And so we said that serves as an outline for a lot of things that are going to unfold in the coming chapters in the book of Daniel and we explained that Daniel points out saying each of these parts of that image actually represent empires or kingdoms to come starting with the Babylonian kingdom. Yeah, and through that, then we looked at a portion in chapter 5 where Daniel foretold the end of the Babylonian empire and this was with Belchazar who was the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar. He says, it's the end. Your kingdom is going to be handed over to the Medes and the Persians and sure enough that night Belchazar was killed. The Medes came in, took over, Darius was appointed. So we saw that and then we read through Daniel chapter 7. So Daniel 7 was actually a vision that Daniel had much earlier. He had written it down. But in the book of Daniel, it's given to us starting from chapter 7 on because chapter 7 on is the prophetic section of the book. So in writing this vision down, Daniel, this is into the chapter now. I hope you will have your Bibles open in front of you because I will just reference the worst number and you can look at it with me in your Bible. So in verse 2, Daniel begins by seeing these winds of heaven that are stirring the great sea. So here again we said, you know, we have to use So God is showing, giving this vision to Daniel using images. So there is wind, there is sea. Verse 2. So we have to always interpret images or biblical typology. You can call it that because God is using a type or he's using a picture. So we have to interpret these pictures within the context of the scriptures itself. That's the way to do it. We don't want to make up something on our own. No, we stay within the Bible. So we cross referenced Mark chapter 13, 26, 27, where Jesus himself talks about the four winds of heaven. Basically it's a working of God and it's a movement. Meaning things that are happening. Now, how God causes it could be varied in this particular case. God is causing things to happen on the earth. In Mark 13, it is God sending his angels to gather people from everywhere. So how God is causing those things can vary depending on the context. But really the four winds is representing action movement that is being caused. And here it's being caused on the Great Sea. So then we cross referenced Revelation 17, 15, where we saw that the waters, the Great Sea represent. Multitudes of people, nations, tongues, tribes, nations worldwide. So basically Daniel 7, 2 is telling us, God is saying, look, I'm going to cause things to happen on the earth or among the nations. And then it's going to unfold like this. How's it going to unfold? Daniel verse 3 sees four great beasts. So this is the difficult part in Daniel 7 and also in Daniel 8, we will see that he is seeing very strange images. He sees a lion. He sees, that is in verse 4, he sees a bear. Verse 5, verse 6, he sees a leopard. And verse 7 is even more confusing because he sees, he just calls it a beast. There is no clear description. It's just a beast that looks very dreadful. Now I will just share the PDF of which we have given in the coursework. And it's very interesting to compare what he saw in, what was given to us in Daniel chapter 2 with Daniel chapter 7. So, and we can easily put these two together, these two together, right? So he saw four great beasts coming out from, I mean, Daniel chapter 7 verse 3, four great beasts coming from the sea. That means this is from among the nations, right? The first verse 4, the first was like a lion that had eagle's wings. And it was lifted up on the earth, made to stand on two feet like a man, a man's heart was given to it. So this in some way captures what happened to the Babylonian Empire, but more specifically what happened in Nebuchadnezzar. He was lifted up from the earth. And when you read the earlier chapters of Daniel historical information, you know, there was a time in Nebuchadnezzar lost his mind and behaved like almost like an animal. But then, you know, he was raised up. I mean, he came out of that. So he must have gone through some sort of a mental issue, whatever that was lost his mind. And then he was restored to be a man. And so that points to the Babylonian Empire. And we will also see later on. So now if you jump to Daniel chapter 7 verse 17, let me pause here. I think somebody raised their hand. Yes, say you have a question. Sorry about that. I didn't see. I forgot. Okay. No problem. So if you look in Daniel 7 verse 17, Daniel explains, right? Actually, the Daniel is asking the angel. What does all this mean? The angel begins to explain verse 17 Daniel 7 17. Those great bees which are for are for kings or for kingdoms which arise out of the earth. So now the explanation is given in the scriptures itself. So saying, Daniel, you saw these beasts. What are these beasts represent? They represent four kingdoms. Well, then immediately we go back to what happened in chapter 2. Hey, there also was talking about kingdoms. Here again, he's talking about kingdoms. They spoke about four kingdoms. Here he's also talking about four kingdoms. So obviously there is a parallel to both of these. So that's an interesting thing. So we line these up side by side and we will understand a little bit more about these empires. And then he says here, the bear then going back to verse 5, Daniel 7 verse 5. There was a beast like a bear, which had three ribs in its mouth, between his teeth, and it said arise and devour. Now, don't worry too much about the details like the lion with wings. So what do the wings mean? Don't worry too much about those things. It's just part of the image unless the wings have something significant to do. So the lion with wings is just representing a beast. The key that we understand is it's representing a kingdom. But don't worry about the lion has a tail and the lion has wings and the lion has four legs trying to break all of those things down. If you start doing that, it will be unnecessarily getting to get off into unnecessary things. So that's very important unless the scriptures itself start telling us something. Oh, the wings represent something. Then we have to get into it. The scriptures don't say anything about it or don't tell us to do anything with it. Then leave it as it is. Same thing here when you see about this bear, that's in verse 5. And it says here, it had three ribs in its mouth between his teeth. Don't worry too much about, you know, the three ribs and why a bear. Okay, God was just using images here and using the image of a bear to represent the meat of Persia. Later on, there will be some more details coming in in chapter 8. That's when you will see an example where fine details become important. For instance, in chapter 8, he talks about two horns, one long bigger and one smaller. There he begins to tell us specifically. He starts speaking to us about the horns. Then that's when you pay attention to the minute details. Otherwise, don't worry too much about it. Okay, the same thing in verse 6. He says, you know, there's a leopard that has four wings, like a bird and it has four heads. Now, in verse 6, he's talking about a leopard and he's talking about four heads. In this chapter, he doesn't tell us to do anything with four heads, so leave it aside. But when you come into chapter 8, there these four heads become significant because then he starts telling us why four heads. That's when he's specifically telling these four heads represent something. Okay, then you pay attention to it. But as of now in chapter 7, he just says, there's a leopard, a beast. He sees a leopard, four wings and four heads. Okay, leave it as it is. But the moment he starts focusing on certain details, which will happen in chapter 8, then we also do that. We pay attention to those details. Okay, but for now, leave it as it is. Leopard represents a beast. Okay, that represents, you know, that corresponds to this waste of bronze or brass in Daniel 2. Okay, that represents the Greek Empire. We understand that there is a parallel. And then in verse 7, there is, he says, a fourth beast. And again, this beast is very strange, so we don't even know what it looks like. He just says it's dreadful and terrible. He had huge iron teeth. Now, what did he see in chapter 2? Iron. What do you see here? He's saying iron teeth. So there's some sort of a, again, a parallel. And iron represents strength, very strong, right? And then he says it had 10 horns. Very interesting. 10 horns. Okay, in chapter 7, he begins to talk about the 10 horns. Then we pay attention to that. So for example, in verse 19 of chapter 7, he says, this angel was explaining this vision to Daniel. He says, look, this fourth beast is a very dreadful beast. And it is very strong, very powerful, because it tramples the residue with his feet. And he says conquering everything. So it's a very powerful empire, conquers everything that's left. And then in verse 20, he's picking up on those 10 horns. So now we pay attention to that detail, right? So when the scripture is pointing us, focusing its light on some smaller detail, in this case, 10 horns, then you also pay attention to it. Now, suppose the scripture didn't have to say anything about the 10 horns. Okay, we don't, we'll just make an observation that, hey, the 10 horns in this beast represent or correspond to the 10 toes in the image. Okay, there's similarity happening. But what is interesting is in chapter 7, he focuses on those 10 horns. And what does he say? This is verse 20 of chapter 7. And the 10 horns, hey, saying, Daniel, that beast that you saw in verse 7, which had 10 horns, those 10 horns mean something. What do they mean? And the 10 horns that were on its head. And the other horn, which came up before, by which three fell, namely that horn, which had eyes and a mouth, which spoke pompous words, which is greater than this. He goes on to say in verse 24, I'm skipping a few verses because he's going to tell us, the 10 horns are 10 kings, which shall arise from this kingdom. Okay, so here's an example where in this whole image of the beast, which has 10 horns, the 10 horns do mean something. So that's when we begin to look into it. And we don't go off and start making, for example, it says this beast had teeth. It doesn't tell us how many teeth it had. So we shouldn't try to, you know, make up something about the teeth. Leave the teeth alone. Focus on the horns because the scripture is intentionally pointing to that. And he says in verse 24, the 10 horns are 10 kings who will arise from this kingdom. So that is interesting. That means there will be 10 kings. Kings in the Bible represents leaders. And, you know, in Bible times, they had kings. In today's world, we would have political leaders like government leaders, you know, highest ranking, which would be usually presidents or prime ministers, people in power and authority. So we don't have quote unquote kings as such in our day. But we do have people in places of, you know, government, political leadership. So we can translate that. These 10 horns are 10 leaders. And where do they come from? Not from any part of the world. They come from what belonged to this kingdom of this beast, which corresponds to this kingdom of legs of iron. So that is why we look with interest on countries of modern countries that were part of the former Roman Empire. And for the most part, these countries lie through Europe and not exclusively Europe, but most part. They lie through Europe. And of course, they come over to the on the other side of the Mediterranean, which is they come into Turkey and Syria and even to the northern part of Egypt. So the Roman Empire extended over all of these places. So we look with interest on those countries because Daniel Daniel's prophecy said very clearly. There will be 10 leaders who will emerge from what belonged to the beast, this fourth beast or this legs of iron, which is the Roman Empire. So you look, all right, and we see certain leaders from that part of the world, France and Germany and others. And now you would see Turkey and what's happening in Greece and Italy and those parts, you know, how are these leaders interacting with each other? So 10 leaders coming up. How are they all interacting? So you keep an eye on that. The other thing he said was, so I'm going back and I'm jumping back in the first part of Chapter 7 and the latter part of 7. Because first part is the vision. The latter part is the interpretation and we're connecting the two. So going back to verse 8, Daniel 7. So he saw 10 horns coming from the fourth beast. And then he says in verse 8, I saw another horn, a little one. So now we know what does horn represent? It represents a king and it represents a leader. So in verse 8, he says, I saw a little horn, meaning another leader who came, but he was a little horn, meaning he was actually insignificant. So he probably comes from a country that may not be very renowned or very prominent, but this little horn comes. And what does he do before home? Three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. That means this little horn somehow may not necessarily always be through military force of political power, but he somehow gains control, influence on three of these other leaders. So we saw 10 leaders coming out of that. What was the former Roman Empire? There's another little horn from some insignificant place. But he is able to influence, so influence that he's actually controlling these three of these 10 leaders. Okay. Just keep it in mind because in chapter 8, he's going to tell us where this little horn comes from. Okay. Right now in this chapter, he doesn't tell us that. He just says, I saw another little horn. He takes control of these three horns. And then he says, it was this horn, that is verse 8, and there in this horn were the eyes like of a man and a mouth speaking pompous words. That means he says, this little horn is the one who's, he's a man, but he speaks, you know, he speaks against God. He speaks pompous. He speaks like, you know, to the heavens. So this little horn is, you know, later on he tell us this little horn is the Antichrist. Okay. Let me pause here for a moment before I continue speaking a little, some more about this little horn. Are you all with me? Are you? Is it clear? Everybody with me? Any questions so far? Anybody left behind somewhere? I think everybody is following. Okay. So in case, in case you get lost, you know, just, just tell me to pause or explain again. I can do it. All right. Let's just move forward. So in the same chapter, he's telling us something more about so this little horn. He's going to tell us more about this little horn. And he says there, verse 20, I'm jumping now to the second half of the chapter because he's, that's where the interpretation is. He says in verse 20, the 10 horns that came on its head and the other horn, which came up before which three fell, namely that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words. His appearance was greater than his fellows. I was watching and the same horn was making war against the saints and prevailing against them. What does this little horn do? This little horn is going to make war against the saints. That means God's people. This little horn. Okay. Something more about this little horn. This little horn is going to really persecute, really go after the people of God. Okay. Now, in this chapter, there is no indication of timeframe. Like, when is this happening? Okay. He's just telling us this is going to happen. He doesn't tell us any timeframe. What we do know from chapter two is that it is in the days of these, when the iron mixes with clay. In the days of that happening, God will set up a kingdom. So, and so we know iron mixed with clay, 10 toes. So if we just keep that in the back of our minds, then we say, okay. So this little horn is going to come into visibility and start doing his work somewhere during this time. That means when the iron is mixed with clay, sometime before God is going to set up his kingdom, somewhere there. Other than that, there is no indication of time. He's only giving us information on what this little horn is going to do. He's going to persecute the saints. He's going to attack. Basically kill or go against God's people. Verse 22, until, so when is this little horn going to do this? Until the ancient of days came and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the most high. And the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom. Some indication of time. When is this little horn going to do his, you know, these things that he's telling us about? He's going to speak pompous words. And he's going to be able to take over three of these leaders and he's going to speak pompous words. And he's going to attack the saints when it's going to be right around the time when God will come and set up his kingdom. Somewhere there. So it's really towards the end of the end times is really towards the end of the end of the age. Because when this little horn is doing all these things, he says in verse 22, God himself will come and judge favorably for his people. And he's going to the saints will possess the kingdom. Okay, so it's going to happen at somewhere at that time. Now, right after that, what's going to happen? The saints are going to possess the kingdom. Now, when we come into the New Testament, there's a lot more information. You know, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6, you know, verse 3 says, you know, we will, you know, the saints will rule on the earth. In Daniel 7, he's already said, you know, that middle part, we will come back to it. But in Daniel 7, he tells us the saints are going to rule the rule and reign. So this little horn is going to be doing his stuff and then God himself will come and judge and hand over everything to the saints. Okay, now let me make a side note here. Okay, this is not the, this is not part of Daniel 7. It's just a side note where I want to understand that there are two dimensions or two expressions of the kingdom of God. There is a spiritual expression and there is the physical expression. The physical expression is when God himself will come and rule physically on the earth, Christ will come and rule on the earth. And the saints will rule with him physically. That will happen in the millennium. Very clear. And we will see it when we study the book of Revelation. Very clear. And it's also mentioned here in Daniel 7. But right now, the saints are expressing the authority and the dominion of the kingdom here or not in a spiritual way, not in a physical way. That means, are there saints on the earth? Yeah. But are the saints, you know, governing the earth? No, not in a physical sense. But we are exercising kingdom authority to advance the purposes of the kingdom of God, which is take the gospel to all the nations, bring people out of darkness into God's marvelous light and to destroy the works of the devil. That's the spiritual expression of the kingdom. Right. But there is a physical or a literal expression of the kingdom, which Daniel 7.22 is talking about, which is when Jesus sets up his kingdom here on earth, then the saints will possess the kingdom. Are we in the kingdom right now? Yes, of course. But it's a spiritual expression for a spiritual purpose, which is, you know, bring people out of darkness into light. But there's a coming physical expression of the kingdom, which is in the future. Okay. That's just a side note. And we must be very clear about it because in some parts of the Christian world, there is a teaching where this is mixed up. So there is so much of pressure or emphasis on, hey, we, the Christians, must be, you know, the people in charge of all the important places. You know, we must be the presidents and we must be the prime ministers and we must be the CEOs and all those things. Of course, God may raise up some believers to be in those kinds of positions, but it's not like we are going to do it now. That's not now. That is coming later when the Christ will set up his role and dominate on the earth. That's coming later. Right now, our work is a spiritual work. We were ushering in the kingdom, into the hearts and lives of people. We're advancing the kingdom of light and pushing back the kingdom of darkness. Okay. Just a side note. Let's get back to Daniel 7. So more about this little horn over to us 24 Daniel 7. The 10 horns are 10 kings who will arise from this kingdom. And another shall arise after them. He shall be different from the first ones and shall subdue three kings. So this little horn, like we said, he's going to, you know, gain control of three of these kings verse 25. He shall speak pompous words against the most high shall persecute the saints of the most high. And he's giving us some more information now. Daniel 7.25 and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. Interesting. He's giving us some more information of this little horn and what this little horn will do. So he already said he's going to speak pompous words. Yeah, we know that he's going to persecute the saints of the most high. Yeah, he already told us that, but he's telling us something more. This little horn, verse 25 will try to change times and law, meaning he. Therefore, we can say he's someone who's in political power because he's going to try to control times and law. Like what is happening in those times? What is happening in terms of jurisdiction or in terms of politically what's happening with the people? He's going to try to change that. What exactly is going to change? We will see in chapter 9. Okay, but he's giving us something here, something more about this little horn. Therefore, he's a king, he's a political leader, and he's going to really try to maneuver and manipulate and change the way things are being done. And even the laws that have the laws or he can say the laws or the things that people have agreed to, he's going to try to change it. And he says in verse 25, the other part of verse 25, the saints will be given into his hand. That means he will be able to harm God's people. He's going to do a lot of hurt to the people of God for how long? A time, times, and half a time. Now, when you read it here, it's not very obvious, but this amounts to three and a half years. A time represents one year, times represents two, half a time represents half a year, so for three and a half years. Now, it's not very obvious here, but as we go into chapter 8, as we go into chapter 9, and even as we go into chapter 12, then we look back, this will become more clearer. For now, he says time, times, half a time. I have told you it's three and a half years. It's not obvious just by reading this, but we can say that with confidence because of what is going to come and what we will read again also in Revelation. We can say with a lot of confidence, he's basically talking about three and a half years. Okay, so for three and a half years, which is half of seven years of tribulation, this three and a half years is the latter part of the seven-year tribulation period. It's called the Great Tribulation because this little horn is going to be able to really harm God's people. Then what will happen? Verse 26, but the court will be sated and they shall take away dominion to consume and destroy it forever. That means at the end of these three and a half years, we know what will happen. This Antichrist, this little horn is going to be, his whole term will come to an end and he's going to be destroyed and cast into the lake of fire. Okay, so we've understood the image of the beast, the ten horns and the little horn. What we still need to look into in chapter seven is the parenthetical portion, which is, he's told us there are four beasts coming out of the earth, but then he also has a vision into heaven and sees other things happening. So we're going to look at that from verse nine. So Daniel chapter seven, we're jumping back to verse nine. Let me see. I heard something on the class. So maybe somebody has a question. Say you have a question. Yes, sir pastor. Just clarity or maybe this will be explained later, but I just don't want to miss this question. That's why I keep on seeing the holy people, God's people. And we're talking about tribulation and when all this would happen, when the Antichrist will torment. So I've just tried to understand. I know we dealt with this, but just to clarify again. Are we talking about God's people who would remain during the time of tribulation and will hold on to Christ? Or are we talking about another set of people? Because my understanding is that by tribulation, the saints would have been raptured, which we learned in our second year. So I see here holy people, holy people. I just need to get clarity. Are these the people who will stand not to take the mark of the beast? Is that people? Daniel is referring to. Yeah, good question. Thanks for asking that. So in Daniel seven, the word saints is used. Now, in general, it references God's people, saints. But that same word is used in two settings, one saints and in the same chapter, in the same chapter. In Daniel seven, the word saints is used to refer to the saints will receive the kingdom and they will rule. So saints. But it's also used to talk about this little horn who will persecute the saints. Same word. But of course, in both cases, referring to God's people, but it's referring to different sections. I mean, different groupings. Who will the little horn, little horn persecute? It will be the saints that is God's people who are in the earth at that time during the three and a half years of tribulation. So there will be people, like we said, both Jews and Gentiles who will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who will be on the earth. So those are the saints. The saints, as we will see in Revelation 12 or more correctly, the elect over there in Revelation 12, are another subset, meaning the Jews, the Jewish people. So there are two groupings of people during the tribulation whom the antichrist is going to go after. The Jewish people, as well as those who believe in Jesus Christ. We see that very clearly in Revelation 12 and 13. So those are the people who will be persecuted during the tribulation because the antichrist is going to go after the Jewish people. And that is in Revelation 12 by the woman who bore the man child. That's Israel. But he's also going to go after everybody who refuses to receive the Mark of the Beast. Everybody believes in Jesus Christ. The word saints that is used in Daniel 7 in a broader sense, talking about the saints who will receive the kingdom. That refers to all the people of God. Because after the battle of Armageddon, when Jesus comes to set up his kingdom, all the saints of God, all the people of God will be here to rule and reign, which means it includes all Testament saints, New Testament saints, those who came through the tribulation. Everyone, they will rule and reign here on earth. So the same word saints has to be understood depending on where it is being used. I hope I explained it clear enough. Thank you very much. That was very clear. Thank you sir. Charles, question. Is this ancient of ages Jesus? So as we will see Charles in here in Daniel 7 verse 9, the term ancient of days or the ancient of ages is referring to God the Father. And in the presence of the ancient of days is the Son of Man. The Son of Man is the eternal word, the Lord Jesus Christ. But when the Lord Jesus is acting on behalf of the Father, so that where it says in verse 22, the ancient of days came and a judgment was made in favor of the saints the most. That means in verse 22, we know the ancient of days is God the Father, but we also know it's the Lord Jesus who's going to come and establish his kingdom here on earth. So Daniel 722 must be understood in that context that it is the internet is God the Father, but it's actually being carried out here on earth through the Lord Jesus Christ. Okay, I hope I answered your question. All right. So Asha, go ahead. Thank you so much, Pastor. It's elaborate. Thank you. Yes, Asha? I'm sorry, Pastor, just a little help. You're mentioning about the side note where the two dimensions are spiritually and physical, but Asha will be telling about or God himself will be coming with the saints to the desert. And can you please explain the spiritual one? No, that was a physical part. That is Christ coming on the earth. And then the spiritual part is what you and I are doing today. Right? That means... So let me explain it from the beginning. The kingdom of God, the expression of God's kingdom. There is a spiritual expression. There is a physical expression. Right? The physical expression is the literal kingdom on earth, meaning the Lord Jesus Christ is physically present here on earth. And he is physically ruling and raining on the earth and we are physically ruling and raining with him here on earth. And we will administer his kingdom literally. That means, Asha, you may be in charge of 10 cities. You may be in charge of another number of cities. That means you have to take care of those cities. Literally, you have to do it. So that's a literal kingdom here on earth. And the saints are literally doing the work of the kingdom. But today, you and I are still part of the kingdom. We are doing the work of the kingdom, but it's in a spiritual sense. Meaning we are advancing the kingdom of God. We are destroying the works of darkness and we are proclaiming the gospel. How are we doing the work of the kingdom? It's a spiritual advancement in the kingdom and the hearts and lives of people. And of course, that will result in transformation of their lives. It will result in its impact on society. It will result in its impact on cities and other parts of the world, but not in the same way as in the literal kingdom. There, God's people will be appointed over cities. Here, we are doing a spiritual work. You can win souls without being the mayor of a city. You can win souls without being the president or the prime minister of the country. We are still advancing the kingdom. Are you understanding? Did I help you understand that? Yes, sir. Thank you so much. Christopher, are you seeing works of the saints in the current times? Please provide examples. Right now, we are doing the work. For example, we are studying God's work. This is part of what saints do. We speak the word, we minister the word, and our lives are being changed. This classroom is an example of the works of the saints. We are spreading the word of God and doing the work of God. When one of us goes and prays, we are a sick person. We are doing the work of the saints. We are doing the work of the kingdom. It's expressed in so many different ways. The saints are doing what God wants us to do. We are being salt and light. That's the work of the saints in the present time. Is that okay, Christopher? Faster. Let me make a distinction between the presence of the saints in the supernatural sense in the current times and what part are they playing? Do we see any of... I mean, I'll be able to discern that those are actually can be actually the saints. That's where I was coming from. Yeah. Sorry, I kind of didn't understand that. Could you say that again, Christopher? I didn't understand it. No, I would just say... Earlier in the... This was in the chapter. You mentioned that there are saints that are present in the earth right now. And they are doing their part to ensure that God's purpose is fulfilled or is getting fulfilled. And obviously, also the Holy Spirit is also here in each of us also. But where I'm coming from is... Are we able to identify that some of these works could be attributed to the saints that are present right now on the earth? Yeah, so we have to clarify. Saints, you are a saint, Christopher. Saints means God's people. You are one of them. All of us are saints. We are all saints. So saints don't understand it in the Roman Catholic sense. They use the word saints as in somebody they consider very special. But the scriptures talk about you and me as saints. So you are a saint. Every person in this classroom is a saint. So it's talking about us as saints. That's what I was referring to. I was using the word saint in a biblical sense, not in the Roman Catholic sense. So in the biblical sense, every believer is a saint. And we are doing, we are serving God. We are doing the works in so many ways. That's what I was talking about. All right. Thank you for your clarification. I think as you were talking, I just suddenly realized that I probably got a bit confused with the saints and angels actually. Maybe playing a part, you know. Okay. I guess. Yeah. No problem. No problem. Okay. So we have a little portion left in chapter seven. That is about the saints, about the saints. Okay. So what we'll do is we'll take a break, come back and we'll cover that. And then we go into chapter eight. It's going to be more unfolding of details on what, you know, we have seen so far. All right. So let's go for a break. Come back in 10 minutes, finish seven and then go into eight and maybe we can touch nine also today. Okay. See you shortly. Thanks.