 Well, as an American, how do you view the Trump presidency, which is about to come? The only rule, John, is that there are no rules. Trump is going to do this his way, very much the way he did the campaign. He is running an interview process now for members of his cabinet that very much resembles his reality television show, The Apprentice, where he would interview candidates and either fire them or hire them. It's an unreal experience. What do you think of the hires so far? Mixed. Mike Pence, his vice president-elect, seems to be a very solid, if rather uncolorful, conservative Republican. The choice of his national security advisor, General Flynn, is quite controversial because General Flynn showed a lot of management weaknesses when he was the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. And the big job, the Secretary of State job is up in the air because he's interviewing very different kind of people. This is his want. He likes to create different centers of power that then compete for his favor. So it's a mixed bag. This discussion, the Trump presidency has been part of the discussions at this conference. What do you get from the World Policy Conference? A lot of concern, a lot of uncertainty, as is natural. We Americans haven't quite figured out the meaning of this very traumatic election where the experts including your friend and the rest of the media failed to foresee that Trump was going to win. And so that's called into question a lot of the institutional judgments that are normally accepted as kind of conventional wisdom. We're really in new ground, on new ground here, and we're going to feel our way along and the rest of the world will be right behind us trying to figure out what Trump really is. Well, let's hope that we don't stumble as we feel our way. Jim Holden, thank you very much for being here on WorldCTV. Thank you.